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    Is anyone else scratching their heads on most of these foul calls in the first half? It seems like half of the fouls have had little or no contact whatsoever.

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    It really, really hurts us when we go from a game where almost nothing is called (OK State) to one where everything is called. Reffing inconsistentcy is a serious problem.

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    I thought the possession where Elias was whistled for a complete phantom foul followed by Keita getting hammered on a break-away dunk and NO call was a microcosm of this game.

    Gray, Elias, Sacre, Meech = all w/ 2 fouls each

    Of course our TO's aren't helping the cause, but these officials are just bad -- for the game of basketball.

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    Something doesn't quite add up---

    Gonzaga shooting 54%

    Wake shooting 32%

    We're up only 1pt?!

    I guess our 10 turnovers and 15 first-half fouls are the primary reasons.

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    We have a bunch more points in the paint, while they've attempted almost double the amount of threes... and yet they have the free throw advantage.

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    most poorly officiated contest I've ever watched.

    inconsistent, senseless, and random fouls -- for both squads.

    Just a terrible job by the refs today.

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    the 2nd half has been much better...

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    ok...i take that last post back...call on sacre trying to post up is bs...

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    You are right. There have been a lot of inconsistent, phantom fouls. Both sides can complain.

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    Gray's 4th really hurt us, and the only contact was the WF player's off elbow smacking him in the face. With Gray out our offense stalled. I'm not a fan of Stockton and Meech in at the same time. I'd rather replace one of them with Arop, not enough scoring with both of them in.

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    Zags needed to encounter and overcome/adjust to a little homerism. It is what good teams do and why the whines by OSU fans carry little weight with me. They didn't adjust.

    It is invaluable experience for the team to face. Zag depth really shines in such situations as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickMick View Post
    Zags needed to encounter and overcome/adjust to a little homerism. It is what good teams do and why the whines by OSU fans carry little weight with me. They didn't adjust.

    It is invaluable experience for the team to face. Zag depth really shines in such situations as well.
    whatever doesn't kill us really does make us stronger. Once we made some (scoring) distance between ourselves & WF, the refs became insignificant. as they should be.
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    good teams adjust and overcome
    average teams dont adjust or overcome
    poor teams whine and cry and do the same thing next game

    we are becoming a GOOD team no matter what is thrown at us at this point of the season

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therunner View Post
    I guess our 10 turnovers and 15 first-half fouls are the primary reasons.
    Yes, but 3 or 4 of those turnovers could easily have been called fouls on WF such as the time EH took it to the hoop was fouled by two different players and loses the ball out of bounds for TO. There were several of those types of plays in the first half.
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    Worst officiated game this year. Ty woods grabbed ko by the shoulders and pulled him out ot the way with twelve or so left...ref was 3 ft from them on the baseline and no calls it. Next time up the floor same ref calls a touch foul. Horrible job by those officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therunner View Post
    I thought the possession where Elias was whistled for a complete phantom foul followed by Keita getting hammered on a break-away dunk and NO call was a microcosm of this game.

    Gray, Elias, Sacre, Meech = all w/ 2 fouls each

    Of course our TO's aren't helping the cause, but these officials are just bad -- for the game of basketball.
    The fouls I hate are the questionable offensive ones that turn the ball over. Don't know about the veracity some of those travel calls either...

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    The heart of the reffing issue to me is that, I think it is safe to make this generalization, people want to watch the kids play and do not get excited about watching a free throw contest. They also should want to see the best players on each side battle it out. So many of the fouls were ticky tack, and it makes me wonder how Duke gets away with such physical defense year in an year out in this league. I remember seeing the line for the ND game before I saw the game and thought there must have been a lot of home cooking, but it turned out that ND earned most of their FT's. In comparison, this game wasn't even close.

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    In the first half the refs just wouldn't let the two teams play. Maybe they thought there might be some lingering animosity from last year's EH ejection. Whatever the case, when the refs get in the way it has the effect of leveling the playing field with the superior team having a hard time getting into a rythm and asserting itself. Our guys were of a caliber that they toughed it out. Shows we are developing some GRIT!

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    Gotta love Ed Hightower. Here some of photoshop pictures from Deadspin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaZaggin' View Post
    Gotta love Ed Hightower. Here some of photoshop pictures from Deadspin.


    those are priceless

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    I wouldn't say that Ed was the main offender today, however.

    It was Steve Oglesby that seemed to blow the whistle the most. According to StatSheet that was his 1st ever NCAA game. Can that be right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therunner View Post
    most poorly officiated contest I've ever watched.

    inconsistent, senseless, and random fouls -- for both squads.

    Just a terrible job by the refs today.
    I am assuming you did not watch the Tourney game a few years back against Nevada when Turiaf picked up a foul every time he came within three feet of a Nevada player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sittingon50 View Post
    I wouldn't say that Ed was the main offender today, however.

    It was Steve Oglesby that seemed to blow the whistle the most. According to StatSheet that was his 1st ever NCAA game. Can that be right?
    I think it was his first game! *lucky us* /sarcasm
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    Quote Originally Posted by LynetteG View Post
    he called FORTY-FOUR fouls!!!!!! Holy crap! and yes, I think it was his first game! *lucky us* /sarcasm
    Maybe he negotiated the first ever commission based, pay-per-foul officiating contract

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    The 44 fouls are what the whole crew called. Steve doesn't get credit for all of them!

    The other 2 officials were Ed Hightower (as mentioned) & Rick Hartzell. Those were two of the three that officiated GU's NCAA game vs Florida in '99; Casey's tip-in.

    (BTW, there were 41 fouls called in that game).

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