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    A little local news regarding the two today. They are both still in school and Josh (who was the focus of this piece) is doing well in summer school and with his community service obligations.

    He completed Spring quarter last year with good grades.

    Word from this news item was that the jury was still out regarding the pairs' return to the basketball program (I personally think it is in the bag, unless they screw up big time once again...they are young..it could happen...I hope not).

    I was in safeway last week and nearly ran over this tall kid...I smiled and excused myself, he was our Josh. Pre trial facial hair back...had to chuckle.

    I thought the day afterward that I should have directed him toward the produce aisle (for shrooms) rather than the deli dept which is where the encounter took place.

    But then we think again...

    I sincerely hope that these two kids pull their heads out of their butts and realize the opportunites that they have in this program.

    I want to be able to enthusiastically applaud them next season.

    But I feel a little burned.

    Gonzaga is a special place, even to someone such as myself, who never attended the school, but merely lived in it's shadow.

    To take that forgranted is wrong...

    I imagine myself in the crowd next year, politely applauding the two, while enthusiastically giving my best cheers for the rest.

    I have hope that my cheers will become enthusiastic for the whole TEAM, if, and only if, the two in question recognize the importance of the TEAM concept.

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    Mendiant,

    Thank you very much for penning a sentiment that I share.

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    I thought Josh was still attending classes? My brother ran into him on campus last week.

    Same day, I went to the Safeway (probably the same one as Mendiant) and pulled into a spot 2-cars down from Will. You have never seen anyone have to stoop over a grocery cart like that young man! Anyways . . . he looked thicker than last year. He gave my 18-pack of Miller Lite a dirty look, but I suspect that was because I was dressed like a Mormon missionary (white button-up shirt and black pants).

    When does spring quarter/semester end?

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    Spring Semester ended early May, like the second week. But now, summer school has started. The guys should be taking a few classes for both sessions. Correct me if I am wrong, but the high school guys (Sacre, Gray, and Daye, that rhymes) will be here at the start of Summer Session 2.
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    Mendiant thanks for posting that. I have been wondering about them.

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    Glad to hear the facial hair's back. I thought Josh looked good with the goatee. I'll be cheering him and Theo on next year as loudly as everybody else. I have to say I really liked Josh's little in-game stare-downs, as juvenile as they occasionally seemed. Those and Pargo's scowl. Ah, to see the scowl and the stare-down together again on the court!

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    I sincerely hope that these two kids pull their heads out of their butts and realize the opportunites that they have in this program.
    I want to be able to enthusiastically applaud them next season.
    But I feel a little burned.
    Gonzaga is a special place, even to someone such as myself, who never attended the school, but merely lived in it's shadow.
    To take that forgranted is wrong...
    good lord. this is the high and mighty post i dread on these boards. i know your gonna beat me for this post mendiant but i couldnt resist. have you ever been on that campus on the wkends? been down in the Kennel Club smelling the breath of the chanting kids, you know, the "zag material"? been to other "top notch schools" like GU and seen someone mess up? let it go, youll be a better person for it.

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    Sorry ZAG79, but I, with the majority on this thread, agree with Mendiant. Can and should we move on, certainly. Should we forget, absolutely not/never. Let's give Mendiant some space and respect here!

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    Correct me if I am wrong, but the high school guys (Sacre, Gray, and Daye, that rhymes) will be here at the start of Summer Session 2.
    Yes. The new guys should be at GU by July 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zag79 View Post
    good lord. this is the high and mighty post i dread on these boards. i know your gonna beat me for this post mendiant but i couldnt resist. have you ever been on that campus on the wkends? been down in the Kennel Club smelling the breath of the chanting kids, you know, the "zag material"? been to other "top notch schools" like GU and seen someone mess up? let it go, youll be a better person for it.

    I was going to predict your response when I posted in this thread last night. I see I was spot on.

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    I thought the comment about directing Josh to the produce dept and the shrooms reduced what was otherwise a good post.

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    79,
    You are definately in the minority with that opinion. Mendiant is a well respected poster on this and the previous boards. Probably the most respected. maybe because she thinks before she writes, unlike me and most of my male counterparts. lol You pointing to other bad behavior to justify this bad behavior. The "he did it first" excuse became unacceptable in about the 1st grade. These guys screwed up and were very selfish, putting themselves above their teammates. That being said they are dealing with the punishment dealt them, as they should. I will root for them because of the name on the front of the jersey not the back. Guys like Pendo, I will cheer for him where ever he goes and whatever he does. Now lets move foward and make our first FF. Go Zags!

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    Kernals of truth in 79's post: alcohol fues the energy of the student-fans... does anyone want to breathalize and discipline all of them who are mostly underage? Many players who get high marks for character on GU Boards are probably only different from Theo and Josh in the sense they did not get caught.

    I don't know. Does anyone? What we don't know... is better unknown.

    Clap less enthusiastically for Josh and Theo if you feel you must hold your hurt to be true to yourself. The scot-free offenders you clap for w/out reservations are honorable?

    I don't have any inside scoop or knowledge here that gives cred to what I believe is probable so feel free to dispute the notion that most student-athletes and most non-athlete students party alike and in illegal ways.

    Thanks to liability of costly lawsuits, Campus partying has become safer, more institutionalized. There are always dangers in self-abusive behavior, but 18-22 year olds acting irresponsibly is par for the course and universities seem to be getting better at managing the risk. Good thing, I think.

    So, I get where most of us feel about discipline. Josh and Theo should be asked to work hard to prove themselves. The discipline they endure shows the others the consequence is not worth the risk. You can't change the fact that they screwed up and dishonored the team. Sorry Zag79, whatever is typical of student althlete behavior doesn't change the reality that is: Zag basketball fever.

    Few keeps them for the good of the team and I root for the team. All parts equally. I am over it. What they did was wrong. It's over. We can all agree, the program smarts and is wiser now, right?
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    Just curious, but what year did mushrooms morph into 'shrooms? I've been around since Elvis first started his career and I must've missed when this word transformation took place. Like I said, I'm just curious. I did major in English, after all.

    To speak with Mrs. Heytvelt for 40 minutes is to get some insight that the media will never give. The media is so effed up on this it's pathetic. What was once Huntley-Brinkley and Walter Cronkite is now Entertainment Tonight quality.

    What a joke.

    Josh received a 3.2 gpa last semester. He is atoning for his "sins." With a little luck, the Zags fan judge-and-jury won't order a rope too soon.
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    Congrats to Josh on the 3.2 GPA. I always had the gut feeling he could do well. It was just a matter of applying himself. Superficially it may seem that Josh doesn't really care about school but judging by that GPA it shows that he does care.
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    I think it is easy for us to lose sight of all that Josh has gone through and is still going thru. Folks, a felony diversion program is absolute hell. Many elect to just to go to the slammer rather than endure it. You're constantly monitored, your peeing in a cup every half minute, you're attending one boring group meeting after the next, you're constantly reporting to law enforcement officials, et cetera. It's just a total pain. He's probably more busy right now than during the basketball season.

    On top of all this, he's trying to rebuild relationships with his teammates, the coaching staff, and the program in general. And then he has to deal with a whole host of unforgiving community members, fans and media people.

    In short, it sucks.

    What he's going thru brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "paying a penance."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    What he's going thru brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "paying a penance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    In short, it sucks.

    What he's going thru brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "paying a penance."

    CDC,

    I may have as much respect for you than anyone on this board or its predecessor, BUT on this one, Boo-effin-hoo.

    If you can't do the time, you should not have done the crime (literally in this case).

    Here's the typical regiment of a student athlete I was very familiar with ---

    Practice year round, every single day.
    18 credit hours every semester so he could graduate in 4 years.
    He ended up getting a pretty decent GPA, by the way.
    This athlete needed to work to help pay his way through school, so add 20 hours of work a week for his final 3 years of school.
    Athlete was also in ROTC, so you add that to the academic, practice and work load.
    This guy was no Josh Heytvelt in terms of athletic ability or talent, but he did all right. Managed to make a few all conference teams.

    Not once, ever, did he get himself even close to dishonoring his school or team by being arrested or letting his team down by partying before a big competition (hell, any competition for that matter). This guy was, again, a typical student athlete, nothing special.

    Sorry for the vitriol. When Josh proves himself in the classroom and on the court over the long haul, then I might be willing to cut him some slack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post

    . . . And then he has to deal with a whole host of unforgiving community members, fans and media people.

    In short, it sucks.

    What he's going thru brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "paying a penance."
    I don't think any of us would want to trade places with him. As I've said before, I'm rooting for JH & TD to come out of this ordeal as better men; if they're better basketball players, that's icing on the cake.


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    former1dog = You are completely misunderstanding my point. I am not from the camp that believes that what Josh did was no big deal (partying happens at all colleges, etc.), or that we should all get on our hands and knees and give him gobs of sympathy. His actions on that night were stupid and irresponsible.

    What I am addressing is that there are certain people out there who are continuing to whip him like a dead horse who have no conception of how much he has already been whipped. The kid is on the right track, he's doing well......like his teammates and coaches, I'm rooting him on.

    There are ways of actually doing this without being in complete denial about the gravity of what took place this past February. I am not saying that you or anyone in this thread are a part of the "order me a rope" crowd, but there are those people. Those people just need to move on with it.........
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    I agree with you completely CDC. Josh has made great strides since February, and it will only get better from here. How about instead of rooting against someone on our own team, we root for them. As we are loyal fans to the Zags as a team, we can also be loyal to the players as individuals. JMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    former1dog = You are completely misunderstanding my point. I am not from the camp that believes that what Josh did was no big deal (partying happens at all colleges, etc.), or that we should all get on our hands and knees and give him gobs of sympathy. His actions on that night were stupid and irresponsible.

    What I am addressing is what BobZag is addressing...that there are certain people out there who are continuing to whip him like a dead horse who have no conception of how much he has already been whipped. The kid is on the right track, he's doing well......like his teammates and coaches, I'm rooting him on.

    There are ways of actually doing this without being in complete denial about the gravity of what took place this past February. I am not saying that you or anyone in this thread are a part of the "order me a rope" crowd, but there are those people. Those people just need to move on with it.........
    You're probably correct, CDC. I probably am misunderstanding you. Sorry if I came across too strongly.

    I'm not calling for a lynching, just some perspective, and my opinion that my personal respect for Josh and Theo isn't going to be won back easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GonzagaGurl08 View Post
    I agree with you completely CDC. Josh has made great strides since February, and it will only get better from here. How about instead of rooting against someone on our own team, we root for them. As we are loyal fans to the Zags as a team, we can also be loyal to the players as individuals. JMHO.

    Good point. I am rooting for Josh and Theo to get their act together completely. I'm not rooting against that, sorry if it seemed otherwise.

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    My point was more directed at the media, TV news to be specific. I haven't watched the news since I can't remember. It's tabloid sh!t. If anyone swallows what Stephanie Vigil or whoever is the pretty face nowadays says, they might as well subscribe to The Enquirer. They get very little correct. They are lazy. They don't bother any longer with double-checking their "facts". It's become a joke.

    And we all know of wonderful feats in school. The single mom taking 20 credits while working 50 hours a week and driving her child to soccer and basketball games and camps, who graduated Magna Cum Laude in three years. We all know those stories. Josh doesn't compare, not even remotely. Neither do I or all my friends.
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    My big concern with Josh is that fatherhood should be a sobering event that adds a level of maturity. A difference maker that didn't make a difference.

    Having said that, I have forgiven him as a basketball fan. I will surely rise out of my seat whenever he rejects the opposing post player.

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