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    If I were Gonzaga, I would try to extend the Gonzaga/Xavier series for several years. It should become an annual game like Gonzaga/Memphis. It just makes sense. I wouldn't wait - just get it done.

    Chris Mack and the Musketeers right now are a major force on the recruiting trail.

    This weekend alone they picked up two huge commitments. Xavier snagged the #47 player in the 2011 class (Michael Chandler, 6-10, Indianapolis) who had offers from Kentucky, Indiana, West Virginia (rivals.com), and they also snagged the #25 player in the 2012 class (D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera, 6-3, Indianapolis) who had offers from Ohio State, Purdue, Tennessee, Louisville and Indiana (rivals.com). There are other top 100 players like 2011's Dezmine Wells (#66 rivals.com) who will be joining the party as well.

    It's a great opportunity for the Zags to have a big time opponent come to K2 every other season.

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    Couldn't agree more.

    Xavier would be a tremendous annual series to develop b/w two schools with uncanny similarities both on & off the court. Personally, I've always been a big fan of "X" and admire their program, tradition, and consistent success in the A-10, vs BCS opponents, & in NCAA Tourney.

    Xavier = quite possibly the most underrated/underappreciated College basketball program in the country, imo.

    They've accomplished everything we have while playing in a Non-BCS conf, yet seem to receive half the media attention and/or credit they rightfully deserve.

    They will continue to be a bball force for years to come...sign'em up!
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    The fact that both are Jesuit institutions makes the series even more compelling.

    In the future I would really like to see the games played during a time when both school's students are on campus.

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    Dont know if this was posted, but this looks like the appropriate spot. Xavier's top 3 point specialist is out with a torn ACL. Too bad for Xavier.


    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5723988

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    Agreed. And Uber would go so far as to say that now that Cal is out of Memphis, a long term deal with Xavier is more exciting than continuing to play Memphis (but Uber wants to keep both on the schedule because he's greedy like that).
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    This would be a sweet series. But, please, not in exchange for Memphis but as a supplement to.

    While we're dreaming, it'd also be nice to add an equivalent West Coast yearly opponent, as supplement our annual brouhaha with WSU--like, say, New Mexico or New Mexico State. These sorts of contests have ESPN, CBS, and ABC written all over 'em.

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    Here's a post from Cincinnati.com regarding the Zags as a Xavier opponent. Seems it was written by a knowlegeable poster:

    http://cincinnati.com/blogs/shoutout...tlook-gonzaga/

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    I'd rather have an annual series with another weak Pac-12 team.

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    Default Let's make a deal

    The Zags will make sure the clock operators are up to speed and there are no clock malfunctions as long as the Xavier players do not rip out any water fountains in Spokane. Sorry. I guess that happened when Xavier played at Butler last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyle dixon View Post
    The Zags will make sure the clock operators are up to speed and there are no clock malfunctions as long as the Xavier players do not rip out any water fountains in Spokane. Sorry. I guess that happened when Xavier played at Butler last year.
    I watched that game and there was a big time problem and believe X will not play Butler unless it is at their house or at a neutral site. X was just livid and rightfully so...I love both programs as I do most non-BCS schools but it looked like a "home job" to say the least. S--- happens but that was at the most inopportune time...

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    Good blog read...but was that a Daye reference i saw in there?

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    Fun subject to ponder. The X vs. GU annually would be a great series. I recall the 2006 ncaa 1st round tourney game vs Xavier. A battle eventually resulting in a Zags win. I pulled up the stats from that game, noticed Xvaier was 8-8 in the A-10 that season, and 21-10 before the tourney. Got me wondering, what other teams are in the A-10 and, is the A-10 is a strong basketball conference? suppose I should look it up. Oh, the Zags were 28-3. That 2006 team was so good

    I too think a pac 10 game every season would be great. But more than anything, I would like to see the Zags play the Huskies. A Zag win in Seattle is always fun to see. Too bad the Huskies figured out a way to Skip out on the rivalry. The Huskies keep pulling down some good recruits, would make for a good bball rivalry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecansmostwanted View Post
    I too think a pac 10 game every season would be great. But more than anything, I would like to see the Zags play the Huskies. A Zag win in Seattle is always fun to see. Too bad the Huskies figured out a way to Skip out on the rivalry. The Huskies keep pulling down some good recruits, would make for a good bball rivalry.
    The rivalry will continue. Give it a few years. UW's proposal was a first step. I'm sure something will happen eventually. I've said it before... four year deal, Kennel, UW, Spokane Arena, Key. Seems reasonable to me.

    I think playing Xavier every year would be great, but isn't a WCC-A10 series happening soon anyways? How many times do we need to travel over there to play games?

    If we scheduled an annual series with any Pac-12 team in addition to WSU I'd be thrilled.

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    I agree on the Pac-12 matchups. For some reason, Stanford and Cal have always seemed (to me) like teams we would match up well with for regular season games. It would be nice to play some upper level conference schools without having to travel 2000 miles to do so.

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    I pulled up the stats from that game, noticed Xvaier was 8-8 in the A-10 that season, and 21-10 before the tourney. Got me wondering, what other teams are in the A-10 and, is the A-10 is a strong basketball conference? suppose I should look it up. Oh, the Zags were 28-3. That 2006 team was so good.
    The A-10 might be the best non-BCS basketball league that exists. They have some real dead weight at the bottom of their league, but programs like XU, Temple, St. Joe's and Dayton invest a hell of a lot into being really good. So many of the A-10 programs have rich tradition as well.

    That Xavier team GU played in 2006 wasn't a 14 seed. Well, they were, but they had no business being a 14. The committee screwed that seeding up. XU was plagued by injuries the entire season (which hurt them in league play), but they got it together in time to make the dance. That Xavier team may have been the most talented 14 seed that the tournament has had in the past 25 years. Fortunately, Gonzaga won the game, but the game should've never been played to begin with. Xavier was a special circumstance that season. They should've been a 12 or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDC84 View Post
    The A-10 might be the best non-BCS basketball league that exists.
    Agreed. Conference USA used to hold this title before the BEast raided all the good teams aside from Memphis. The MVC had a stretch where they had several top quality teams and were solid top to bottom. The old WAC had an argument for best non-big six basketball league at one time and the current Mountain West may have slipped into that argument for a West league but still not as good as old WAC. Maybe the WCC will gain the title of the best non-big six west of the Mississippi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB4 View Post
    The rivalry will continue. Give it a few years. UW's proposal was a first step. I'm sure something will happen eventually. I've said it before... four year deal, Kennel, UW, Spokane Arena, Key. Seems reasonable to me.
    UW's proposal wasn't a first step. It was a cheap publicity stunt designed to deflect the criticism the UW AD and athletics department had been receiving from UW fans for canceling the series with GU. The "proposal" was "leaked" by a talk show host on the Husky home radio station before it had ever been presented to Gonzaga. Not exactly the ideal way to bargain in good faith. Of course, UW KNEW that the 3 games in Key Arena proposal would never be accepted or seriously considered, but it gave them cover to say "we offered to play Gonzaga and they refused." Very quietly last spring, the UW also canceled the ongoing series between the UW and GU women's BB teams. I see no possibility for the resumption of either series unless or until there is a change at the top of the UW athletic department.
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    There's basically no chance that Chandler will qualify.

    Xavier's recruiting will always appear better than it actually is because they don't mind academic Hail Maries. (like Justin Martin who was not cleared)

    And on the other, Xavier returns to Hinkle next year. Trying to avoid what is likely to be a 4-game losing streak (in a 4 year series) vs Butler.

    And, Xavier was not "screwed" of anything last year. Multiple cameraviews (you can find it on YouTube if you'd like) that the referees ultimately mDe the correct call per the rule book.

    I said at the time and I still think its the case that they shouldve just given Xavier a final possession with a 1/2 a second or something. Going full court, with no timeouts to score with less than a second vs one of the best defenses in the country just wasn't happening, so why not just throw them a bone?

    Maybe they shouldve gotten to inbound the ball but the game was decided all but for a fraction of a percentage chance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelo Roncalli View Post
    UW's proposal wasn't a first step. It was a cheap publicity stunt designed to deflect the criticism the UW AD and athletics department had been receiving from UW fans for canceling the series with GU. The "proposal" was "leaked" by a talk show host on the Husky home radio station before it had ever been presented to Gonzaga. Not exactly the ideal way to bargain in good faith. Of course, UW KNEW that the 3 games in Key Arena proposal would never be accepted or seriously considered, but it gave them cover to say "we offered to play Gonzaga and they refused." Very quietly last spring, the UW also canceled the ongoing series between the UW and GU women's BB teams. I see no possibility for the resumption of either series unless or until there is a change at the top of the UW athletic department.
    I find this interesting. Canceling the men's series happened under the prior AD. The PR stunt happened under this AD, as did the women's cancelation.

    I had always speculated that a petulant Romar was the problem after UW was caught cheating in recruiting Heytfelt. If it is more than that, I'd love to know the real story. Is it negative recruiting between the programs? Is it some other personal slight?

    Because until we hear anything else, the sad reality for UW is that they canceled both series once Gonzaga's teams got good and started kicking tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 229SintoZag View Post

    Because until we hear anything else, the sad reality for UW is that they canceled both series once Gonzaga's teams got good and started kicking tail.
    Yeah I feel the same. Maybe the sad reality is true, the Dogs know when the Zags come to Seattle there is a high probability that The Bulldogs bite is bigger than the Huskies. My favorite part of the whole rivalry is knowing the Zags can beat the Huskies in Seattle. Seems to me, the Huskies don't take too many chances with big time non-conference games. Still, I think its too bad, those U.W. games were high octane college basketball and I always enjoyed.. Good replies on this topic!

    Thanks for the feedback on the A-10 . Looking forward to catching some of those schools on tv this year.

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    -i actually think the #14 seed in the 2006 tournament, the last time xu faced gonzaga, was justified. iirc, the atlantic ten was not even a top ten rpi conference that year, and xavier finished 8-8. after all the tiebreakers, they ended up finishing #10th in the standings. i don't remember exactly what the rpi was, but i'm thinking it was at least in the high 70s, and perhaps even worse. they won the atlantic ten tournament, but beat no one that was remotely close to being considered an ncaa at-large caliber team. george washington was ranked real high that season, but they were knocked out in the quarterfinals, and xavier never faced them. they finished tenth, and beat the seventh, second, sixth and fifth place team in a non-top ten conference to qualify for the ncaa tournament. #14 sounded about right. winning that tournament and making the ncaa was one of the more feel-good moments we've had in awhile, but at the end of the day when you looked at the entire season, it resembled the georgia team that won the sec tournament a few years back. not expected at all.

    having said that, xu entered the tournament on a huge high, and damn near took down top ten gonzaga. it was a hell of a ride, but the heartbreak kind of sucked. i remember thinking that had we lost in the quarterfinals of the atlantic ten as was expected, everyone would have jsut kind of shrugged their sholders. after losing to gonzaga in the ncaas in a heartbreaker, we all needed to drink ourselves stupid. still, a great moment.

    gonzaga and xu should play each other. this series is long overdue. i'd be in favor of extending it for a long time. xavier plays sixteen conference games, and as of now we have two fixture games, or non-conference teams we play every year in cincinnati and miami, oh. i'd love to see butler and gonzaga added to the list. as someone said above, xu currently has a series with butler, but it was originally just a two game series. they extended it another two games, which is good, but i'd love to see them make it a fixture and play them every year. same with gonzaga. i could do without playing the miami redhawks, but i think it's xu's longest running opponent, so that series isn't likely to end any time soon. either way, from xavier's perspective, sixteen conference games and four fixture games would still give us nine games to play around with in regards to scheduling other bcs teams, as well as a few guarantee games.

    as far as this season, xavier is looking a little thin. as mentioned earlier, our shooting guard is out for the year, and one of the better incoming freshmen is a partial qualifier, so his debut is delayed until next year. with ten scholarship players with only about seven that were expected to give meaningful minutes, xu will likely run out of gas a time or two. nevertheless, it will be fun to FINALLY see these two play each other.

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    forgot about wake forest. we're one game in to a ten year deal with them. so, i guess that is sort of a fixture series. still, there is room to do it with gonzaga too.

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