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    Congrats on the 9th Straight 200+ Hit Season! Another record for the Mariners left fielder! Ichiro's other biggies: (1) MLB hits record; (2) 8 seasons w/200 hits and 100 runs.

    Extra gravy in a nice season for the Mariners. Playing .500+ baseball almost the entire way. Being competitive. Nice job for their first-year Manager Don Wakamatsu; and how wonderful to have Junior back.

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    If he had played in the US for his entire career, he would be a cinch to beat Pete Rose's hit record. Too bad all those hits in Japan don't get to count.
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    Here's another "too bad," LongIsland: the various sports networks/stations outside the Northwest pretty much blew off the story. At least, Kiddwell hasn't heard a peep except from Fox Northwest.

    This is a MAJOR sports feat.

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    Not a huge Ichiro fan. Mariners pay him way to much money for hitting singles. Here is my argument. Ichiro gets paid 18 million and Franklin Gutierrez gets paid $455,000. Ichiro has 79 runs and 40 rbi. Gutierrez has 72 runs and 60 rbi. Granted Ichiro has a better batting average and gets more singles than Gutierrez but the run production numbers are virtually the same. I for one believe Gutierrez numbers are better than Ichiro's because Gutierrez has 20 more rbi. As for defense I think it is a wash they are both above average defensive players. Gutierrez gives the Mariners almost the same production as Ichiro for 17.5 million dollars less. That is money that could be spent elsewhere to improve the team. The Mariners problem is run production. We need a corner outfielder who can hit for power and get us some rbis.

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    Eroop22, you talk about numbers that depend on your teammates. The reason Ichiro!'s numbers are down is mostly due to his teammates inability to either drive him in or get on base in front of him. With his batting average and on base percentage there is no other reason why he shouldn't be over 100 runs scored for the season. While Ichiro!'s salary is high I would argue that he is well worth the money. His numbers are off the charts. I don't think you understand the significance of what he just did. He broke a record that has stood since 1901. That's a long time. He also generates a lot of income for the Mariners by being one of the most popular players in America and in Japan. He just made a .500 team relevant in September with his hits record.

    Comparing him to Gutierrez isn't really fair either. He is in the early stages of his career where the team has more control over his salary. He is earning well below market value and I'm glad that the Mariners have the kind of management not afraid to deal a popular guy like Putz to go get Gutierrez. That was a great move, but it is nearly impossible to put a team together with all $500k players and be good. You have to pay for a guy that has shown that he can be an all star player.

    If you really want to complain about guys eating up salary look no further than Carlos Silva and Miguel Batista. Those guys contribute next to nothing to the team and cost the Mariners over $20 million this year.

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    @gu03alum
    No doubt Batista and Silva are overpaid so are Beltre and Johjima. My whole point is Ichiro is a singles hitter. We have a problem scoring runs. I completely understand the significance of what Ichiro just accomplished. He however is not worth 18 million a season. Runs and rbi are not always dependent on your teammates. If Ichiro would hit more home runs his run total and rbi stats would go up. Many mariner players have said Ichiro could lead them in home runs if he wanted to. He chooses to hit singles so that his hit total goes up. He is also not a team player. Played center for a while decided he didn't like it. Told management to move him back to right field. This was not a good move for the team. But he was willing to play Center for Japan in the wbc go figure. Ichiro will only do what is best for Ichiro and not the team. Nick Markakis numbers are similar to Ichiro and he makes 3.35 million.

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