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    Does anyone know how we stack up in this years recruiting rankings with the "experts" (rivals, scout, etc)?

    I know we are far and above the rest of the WCC, but how do we stack up if we were in the Pac 10?

    I realize UCLA and Washington out did us, but would we be third. I heard Oregon State did okay with their year.

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    More than any other recruiting class I've ever seen, this one is nearly impossible to put any sort of ranking or grade on. Don't expect the big sites like Rivals or Scout to put Gonzaga terribly high when it is all said and done because they only list us as having Manny, GJ, and Sam at this point in our class. Kong, Harris, and Olynyk are all well off their radar because guys like John Wall and Lance Stephenson have every writer over there in a tizzy. From what I understand, with the addition of GJ our class has to be one of the best on the West Coast and two years down the line I really think it is going to prove to be absolutely sensational.

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    You will also have to prove to me how Washington out did GU. Abdul Gaddy does not make a team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoZAG615 View Post
    From what I understand, with the addition of GJ our class has to be one of the best on the West Coast and two years down the line I really think it is going to prove to be absolutely sensational.
    Agreed! Next year's class will be something to watch with a year under their belt.

    Although the realization that it would never happen is obvious, I can't help but wonder what the team would be like in 2010-2011... ...if Matty was to redshirt next year.

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    If you are a Bulldog fan you ignore the Scout and Rival ratings on recruits. Hell will freeze over before GU equals the Elite schools in recruiting McDonald players or large numbers of 4 and 5 star kids. But look at UCLA this year. Overloaded with Burger Boys and a pretty crappy season.

    I admit I would like to see one or two 5 star power forwards come to GU before I die (perhaps Kevin Love's illegitimate stepchild), but aside from my selfish dreams, I believe that the coaching staff agrees with me that the GU program needs to take what it can get, and use those available kids as a foundation to try and make it into the late rounds of the NCAA. Winning in the NCAA is what matters, not the pedigree of your players.

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    It doesnt matter what the rankings say...ESPN, Rivals.com, Scout.com, etc. will all be different and the rankings are fickle anyways. If you ask me, getting 3 players from canada, one from Germany, and 2 from the states, when all is said and done, everyone will look back and say Wow, Mr. Few done did it again. He is a master at finding value in places where others see walk-ons and D2 projects...That being said, this coaching staff will not just take anyone, we dont want just random bodies, we want players who can play team ball and who have the raw skills to eventually contribute. Players like Guy-Marc Michel who want to be Zags more than anything may never get a scholarship because they do not have the talent to play at this level. doesnt mean he wont walk on next year, but you get the point...

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    I have to admit....I am very much looking forward to the Maui Invitational and hearing Bilas and other ESPN analysts commenting about how talented some of these new players are. I don't think people realize what they're in for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75Zag View Post
    If you are a Bulldog fan you ignore the Scout and Rival ratings on recruits. Hell will freeze over before GU equals the Elite schools in recruiting McDonald players or large numbers of 4 and 5 star kids. But look at UCLA this year. Overloaded with Burger Boys and a pretty crappy season.

    I admit I would like to see one or two 5 star power forwards come to GU before I die (perhaps Kevin Love's illegitimate stepchild), but aside from my selfish dreams, I believe that the coaching staff agrees with me that the GU program needs to take what it can get, and use those available kids as a foundation to try and make it into the late rounds of the NCAA. Winning in the NCAA is what matters, not the pedigree of your players.

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    It makes no sense at all for Gonzaga to recruit guys like Kevin Love who are one and done. Gonzaga has always built teams on chemistry, and developed chemistry over the years. Our success is built on players staying multiple years in order to pass on the success to the next class. With the exception of Daye (who still gave the program a solid two years), few players have come into Gonzaga and not committed to the program before their long term ambitious goals. Guys like Sidney, Wall, Stephenson, Cousins.....they are all just in it for the year and then jump the NBA. Its not about the team as much as it is about their own ambitions and frankly I dont think Gonzaga needs that kind of player in its program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagsrelite View Post
    Does anyone know how we stack up in this years recruiting rankings with the "experts" (rivals, scout, etc)?

    I know we are far and above the rest of the WCC, ... ?

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    Really?
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    we're top 2 in the west. no doubt about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGoGaels View Post
    Really?
    WCC ESPN Scout Rankings

    A poster from DonsCentral provided the above link.

    According to their rankings it doesn't appear the Zags class is heads above the WCC. Of course they haven't seen Olynyk, who it's rumored had decent offers, and omits Kong and Harris. Anyway, the other WCC schools seem to have some solid classes.

    I don't see how we could be the clear cut second best with three question marks. Reports are great on those three but I wouldn't fault anyone for being skeptical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    You will also have to prove to me how Washington out did GU. Abdul Gaddy does not make a team.
    Nope, but he sure makes everyone around him a ton better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    You will also have to prove to me how Washington out did GU. Abdul Gaddy does not make a team.
    i think they bring in 3 other kids too... top 150 types. ill take 3 top 150s and an abdul gaddy over what GU might bring in, but thats just me

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    CBB, in this case I think that you might be wrong. I am not sure about Wilcox, but I think that they will have trouble keeping Clarence in school (grades) and I think that Gaddy will be a one and out (maybe 2, but not more).

    I would rather have the class we have that you can build a system and team around. You have Dower and Harris compared to Clarence. You have Arop and Olynyk compared to Wilcox. We have Kong against their noone at the 4 and then we have GJ against Gaddy, which I would give to them now, but maybe not at both ends of the court.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag67 View Post
    CBB, in this case I think that you might be wrong. I am not sure about Wilcox, but I think that they will have trouble keeping Clarence in school (grades) and I think that Gaddy will be a one and out (maybe 2, but not more).

    I would rather have the class we have that you can build a system and team around. You have Dower and Harris compared to Clarence. You have Arop and Olynyk compared to Wilcox. We have Kong against their noone at the 4 and then we have GJ against Gaddy, which I would give to them now, but maybe not at both ends of the court.
    Not sure about the other recruits or their rankings but Abdul will be at UW for at least 2 years because of his age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zagsrelite View Post
    Does anyone know how we stack up in this years recruiting rankings with the "experts" (rivals, scout, etc)?

    I know we are far and above the rest of the WCC, but how do we stack up if we were in the Pac 10?

    I realize UCLA and Washington out did us, but would we be third. I heard Oregon State did okay with their year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbbfanatic View Post
    i think they bring in 3 other kids too... top 150 types. ill take 3 top 150s and an abdul gaddy over what GU might bring in, but thats just me
    Obviously it comes down to the players, but I disagree. The good thing is a couple of seasons down the line, we can look back at this and see.

    I would undoubtedly take Gaddy any day of the week and twice on game-day, but I really do think that GU's incoming class has a chance to be something special overall. The bottom line is it's hard for anyone to say really how good GU's class is with so many international players, nearly all of whom have only been seen once or twice if at all by any recruiting analysts (and probably not recently). Other players are not even listed by analysts, which shows how little is known about the situation. If they'd played in the U.S., I think GU would have several top 150 players coming in (I'd bet on at least 3). I do believe that Arop is a top 100 player, even so.

    BTW, I think St Mary's is sort of in a similar situation. They have a ton of Australian players coming in again, IIRC, who played at the AIS and who knows what they'll be like - plus the redshirted players from last season. It should be interesting to see what they're like this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xjzico View Post
    WCC ESPN Scout Rankings

    A poster from DonsCentral provided the above link.

    According to their rankings it doesn't appear the Zags class is heads above the WCC. Of course they haven't seen Olynyk, who it's rumored had decent offers, and omits Kong and Harris. Anyway, the other WCC schools seem to have some solid classes.

    I don't see how we could be the clear cut second best with three question marks. Reports are great on those three but I wouldn't fault anyone for being skeptical.
    Nice job with this link. Honestly, I am disappointed that GU is not looking better than they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mainer6 View Post
    Nice job with this link. Honestly, I am disappointed that GU is not looking better than they are.
    To a certain extent, I agree. I would like to see GU head and shoulders above the WCC in recruiting rankings. In years where GU takes alot of international players, that isn't going to happen due to the generally national scope of ranking companies. However, if international recruiting is well executed, I'll take on the court success over the recruiting sites.

    Based upon the link from DonsCentral, it is interesting to see how the WCC schools have raised their level of recruiting (at least according to the rankings gurus) over the few years that are listed. That is good news for all eight WCC schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zag67 View Post
    CBB, in this case I think that you might be wrong. I am not sure about Wilcox, but I think that they will have trouble keeping Clarence in school (grades) and I think that Gaddy will be a one and out (maybe 2, but not more).

    I would rather have the class we have that you can build a system and team around. You have Dower and Harris compared to Clarence. You have Arop and Olynyk compared to Wilcox. We have Kong against their noone at the 4 and then we have GJ against Gaddy, which I would give to them now, but maybe not at both ends of the court.
    i absolutely could be wrong. just trying to point out that one could easily argue for the huskies class in this situation. neither is head and shoulders above the other. time will tell.

    you point to some uncertainty with trent (and id agree), but the zags class has some uncertainty too (kong).

    a lot of fan bases probably think that their incoming class has that "special" potential. most top 150, top 200 range kids will have very impressive press clippings, i think the fact that people here might be a little more immersed in gonzagas class can blur the view on what everyone else is bringing in. i mean, is this class GU is bringing in even considered a top 25 class (for whatever that is worth)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbbfanatic View Post
    a lot of fan bases probably think that their incoming class has that "special" potential. most top 150, top 200 range kids will have very impressive press clippings, i think the fact that people here might be a little more immersed in gonzagas class can blur the view on what everyone else is bringing in. i mean, is this class GU is bringing in even considered a top 25 class (for whatever that is worth)?
    As with any class for any school that includes a large amount of international players who haven't had much attention from recruiting analysts, there is no way GU's class could be considered a top 25 class. Heck, I haven't even seen 1 analyst who has all the incoming players in their take. Scout only lists Dower, Vilarino, and Arop IIRC. But will the class make an impact similar to other recruting classes in, say the top 25 in the country? My guess would be yes, but we'll just have to wait and see.

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    Demetri Goodson was a three star player with Rivals and Scout. He's better than at least half of the 2008 top 100 players listed on those sites. Jeff Capel at Oklahoma really wishes he would have had him last year. OU lacked guard depth. And Meech would've started at Texas last year over Dogus Balbay if their staff had not misevaluated him due to his size. Their coaches knew they blew it when Meech started playing at a high level in the Texas/Gonzaga scrimmage last November.

    Guys like Meech Goodson just don't keep appearing at Gonzaga due to strange weather patterns and the alignment of the stars. No matter what people think of the strength of each of their recruiting classes, the Zags still manage to get a rotation of 8 or so guys who could play for most top 25 teams. And they've done it for the better part of a decade now. I don't see the trend changing.
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    I don't think that's fair to say. All someone did was credit the DonsCentral Board for a link to the ESPN WCC Recruiting Rankings. They didn't refer to anyone's post or opinion. I think that's fair to do and it can provide a somewhat unbiased report on WCC recruits. Someone above stated an opinion that the Gonzaga recruiting class was far and away better that the other WCC classes. All the St. Mary's fan did was to ask for some basis for that opinion.

    I am excited about my Dons' recruiting class this season and it looks like Loyola has a really good group coming in. St. Mary's signed some top Australians too.

    But nobody can really rank a group of recruits until we see them on the court.

    I also think that a lot of the members of this board read the DonsCentral board as well. I read all of the WCC boards. I wish that they were more active, however. It seems like your board and the DonsCentral board are by far the most active (and interesting).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitzbuel View Post
    You will also have to prove to me how Washington out did GU. Abdul Gaddy does not make a team.
    I realize that when it's all said and done this GU class might be better than UW's but let's get real... Off of the rankings provided in this thread UW's lowest rated player is graded out as the same as GU's highest rated. Not to mention UW has 2 top 75 players and one of those is top 10 it's not even close between the 2 schools.

    As to pac-10 classes top 3 are UCLA UW Zona and if zona pulls in lance stephenson like some are thinking they will prolly have the top class in the pac-10. Gu would most likely be in the 4-6 group alongside OSU USC and ASU

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    The rankings really are a moot point because so many of the GU recruits are just plain unknown quantities to the US basketball media. Once the ball drops, perceptions will change.

    No doubt, GU would love to get the recruiting classes that UCLA can pull, it might happen over time with some deeper tourney runs. Without a doubt though, GU has been consistently improving its recruiting classes over time.

    As long as GU keeps making the tournament and keeps slowly improving its talent level, the odds for a very deep tourney run continue to improve.
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