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    I don't see anyone who is arguing otherwise. The...

    I don't see anyone who is arguing otherwise. The question of how much more prevalent, however, is still very much a matter of debate. The conclusions you can draw from 5x are very different from 50x....
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    One problem I have with this theory is that we...

    One problem I have with this theory is that we don't know a lot about the more widespread nonfatal consequences of COVID-19, even to otherwise healthy people. What we do know is enough to give me...
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    My point was seroprevalance studies for some...

    My point was seroprevalance studies for some areas like NYC have of 20% while others like Boise have 1.7%. So you can't take LA County's number and use it to make calculations for Arizona or...
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    I wouldn't assume just because one county has...

    I wouldn't assume just because one county has 4.65% seroprevalence that the same value can be carried over to any other area in the US.

    With the New York City serology studies providing a...
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    That's basically what I believe. Fauci has been...

    That's basically what I believe. Fauci has been on point the whole time and he says very positive things about his Jesuit education which is an extra plus in my book.
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    I'm not so sure how far off 1.7 million deaths is...

    I'm not so sure how far off 1.7 million deaths is for a worst case scenario. We're at nearly 100,000 deaths and, unless we're closer than 1/10 of the way to herd immunity, a worst case scenario of...
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    I hear you, but the good news is a decent chunk...

    I hear you, but the good news is a decent chunk of the public see wearing a mask as respectful. And the downside of any enforcement is you'll see people crying about being oppressed on social media....
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    Spokane County's Bob Lutz issues countywide...

    Spokane County's Bob Lutz issues countywide directive issued for masks when at indoor or confined public settings when they will be within six feet of another person who they don’t live with....
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    I know this won't appeal to your sense of fair...

    I know this won't appeal to your sense of fair play, but for the good of the order, may I suggest you refrain from quoting MDAbe or addressing him in any way. I appreciate the COVID discussions,...
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    I agree but would add that most of these are...

    I agree but would add that most of these are still an indication of the overall impact of COVID-19 to a hard hit community.
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    The CDC's 60-page roadmap reopening America was...

    The CDC's 60-page roadmap reopening America was just posted:
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/19/politics/cdc-guidance-on-reopening/index.html
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    No question there is difficulty picking apart the...

    No question there is difficulty picking apart the pneumonia and influenza deaths from the COVID deaths. I remember in March there was a reporter closely tracking the pneumonia and influenza deaths to...
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    It is unavoidable that there will be some...

    It is unavoidable that there will be some uncertainty about the conclusions that are made about the impact of COVID-19, but when I look at NYC's mortality data over the last 20 years up until early...
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    The CDC says the number of confirmed and probable...

    The CDC says the number of confirmed and probable deaths is probably an undercount.
    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6919e5.htm
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    Fair enough. Sorry to mix you up with those that...

    Fair enough. Sorry to mix you up with those that were arguing it was just another flu. My only correction is that I am not a prophet of doom. I still believe an effective public health response from...
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    I read your links and I agree that as we move...

    I read your links and I agree that as we move forward and loosen restrictions, special attention should be given to protecting the most vulnerable. In all conversations on this board I have...
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    The United States has regional differences in the...

    The United States has regional differences in the percentage infected.

    You said earlier that you believe 14,850,000 Americans have been infected. That's approximately 10x the number of confirmed...
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    Everything you said about Spokane was true over...

    Everything you said about Spokane was true over the last two months when our restrictions were able to cause a peak and recession in our number of daily infections. It's strongly suggested by Bob...
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    Test trace and isolate is what we will be doing...

    Test trace and isolate is what we will be doing in Spokane County and throughout Washington state so I'm not sure why you're convinced it can't or won't be done. As the second link I provided...
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    Maybe you missed where Markburn said, explicitly,...

    Maybe you missed where Markburn said, explicitly, the following:




    I'm essentially paraphrasing epidemiologists who are far more knowledgable than me. Using my own Spokane County as an...
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    I agree that hazard pay is not only a possible...

    I agree that hazard pay is not only a possible solution but something that should be done anyway, but I see a real risk that truly essential businesses break down in this scenario where we have...
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    What do you do about a grocery store or a meat...

    What do you do about a grocery store or a meat packing plant if the majority of workers choose to stay home? Do you require more precaution for those that interact with high risk people as a part of...
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    I understand the theory here is that we'd be very...

    I understand the theory here is that we'd be very successful if we allowed the people who wanted that risk to build toward the herd immunity. You might suppose the people with the lowest risk would...
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    I believe it would be an Apple-Google...

    I believe it would be an Apple-Google collaboration that people opt in to.
    https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2020/04/apple-and-google-partner-on-covid-19-contact-tracing-technology/
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    I love this thread. I hike the Dishman Hills in...

    I love this thread. I hike the Dishman Hills in Spokane nearly every day but I'd love to get out and do more adventurous stuff like I see on here.
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