2020 - Daishen Nix

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Originally Posted by hooter73

Wiltjer in high school was all but in the bag until Kentucky made one phone call...

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That was before Gonzaga made the national title game and damn near won it all. They are one of only 3 programs (the 2 other blue bloods) to make the sweet 16 or better 5 straight seasons in the expanded bracket era. They have a top 5 recruiting class coming in next year.

Things have changed.

I think the program has elevated its stock significantly since the Wiltjer days. Are they a blue blood? No. But they have so much more to sell. Not to mention the Volkar Center.

Metaphorical Elba?

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

During my temporary exile to literary Elba, I watched a ton of film on Nix and being as objective as possible, I think he’s phenomenal and almost as good as Suggs, like minimal difference between the two. Plus he’s built like a MAC truck. Plus he’s from Anchorage, Alaska. If we can get Nix for 2019, that would be a home run.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rp67tuxYxe4

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

Of course. Look closer, I said literary, not literally. You’ve known me long enough to know that I am a word nerd and know the difference between literally and metaphorically. I would not make such an egregious faux pas. Now, your and you’re; all bets are off.

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And here I am thinking of yore.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

During my temporary exile to literary Elba, I watched a ton of film on Nix and being as objective as possible, I think he’s phenomenal and almost as good as Suggs, like minimal difference between the two. Plus he’s built like a MAC truck. Plus he’s from Anchorage, Alaska. If we can get Nix for 2019, that would be a home run.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rp67tuxYxe4

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What I love about this vid is his exceptional passing and that he enjoys setting up his teammates. What gives me pause is another guard who apparently cannot (perhaps just does not in these clips) finish above the rim. Not so easy to make layups vs D1 defenders...and as much as I’ll miss Perkins, I won’t miss that facet of his game.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

Of course. Look closer, I said literary, not literally. You’ve known me long enough to know that I am a word nerd and know the difference between literally and metaphorically. I would not make such an egregious faux pas. Now, your and you’re; all bets are off.

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OK, but I still think metaphorical Elba is correct; literary Elba would refer to banishment found in some work of art, not this bedraggled board.

Nix would be an amazing addition to the 2019 class. Would definitely feel quite comfortable with him starting from day one.

Has there been any evidence of this possibility online though? I haven't seen us linked to him in quite some time and I don't think the coaching staff has been spotted at any of his games recently...

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Originally Posted by Worthington

Nix would be an amazing addition to the 2019 class. Would definitely feel quite comfortable with him starting from day one.

Has there been any evidence of this possibility online though? I haven't seen us linked to him in quite some time and I don't think the coaching staff has been spotted at any of his games recently...

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Caldwell's been pretty reliable as far as his sources, so it sounds like it might be on the table at least.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

What I meant was my one month suspension from these boards was my literary Elba. But you could be correct, I may have wrongly used that analogy.

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This ain’t literature. Everything else is cool. Welcome back.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

What I meant was my one month suspension from these boards was my literary Elba. But you could be correct, I may have wrongly used that analogy.

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Literary Elba= Exiled and cannot write/post things. I think it works, although they probably have computers and the internet on Elba now. I’ll email Abraham Lincoln.

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Originally Posted by bartruff1

If it is on the internet.....you don't know who actually tweeted it....you don't know what their motives might be....you don't know how credible the poster is.....even assuming it is a legitimate post, you don't know how thoughtful it is or impulsive or mistaken it might me....

It could be the President, or the Russians or some 400 pound guy on a couch in his mothers basement...not prudent..... :confused:

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

His court vision and passing are incredible. You can hear the "oohs" and "aahs" from the crowd. lol

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Yeah, Jalen Suggs is definitely on another plane than Nix. Suggs is dat dude. The guy that can lead us to our first natty and be the most legendary Zag of all time.

I would rather have Gilder and Jenkins this year if Suggs preferred to have a clear picture of who he'd run with in 2020. Suggs + Harris + Strawther alongside the bigs we'll still have = the greatest of times.

It seems that Nix is VERY fundamentally sound and has excellent court vision.

I have no doubt about his athleticism, so not worried that he isn't "highlight dunking" in these videos. Probably the least selfish mix tape I have watched, featuring pass after pass after pass. Most of those passes are the non flashy variety, but do require great vision.

Nothing not to like about this kid. Does he have Native American ancestry? I would think that was cool, as a Rez kid!

It seems that the outcome of the Nix/Suggs comparison depends on what one needs in their PG. Nix is described as a very good passer and Suggs is described as a score-first guy who can distribute. I'd take either one, and the two could theoretically play together if they wanted to defer to each other a bit.

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Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta

It seems that the outcome of the Nix/Suggs comparison depends on what one needs in their PG. Nix is described as a very good passer and Suggs is described as a score-first guy who can distribute. I'd take either one, and the two could theoretically play together if they wanted to defer to each other a bit.

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This is spot on!

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

Plus, they're separate years if Nix is reclassifying. Suggs looks like a super star, Nix looks like a very, very good player, but if you could get Nix, but run the risk of losing Suggs, do you do it? That's the million dollar question.

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No. Because a 5th year Gilder is just as good as a freshman Nix. Gilder keeps suggs seats warm for a year and then Jalen steps in day one and runs the point. If we got Gilder and Jenkins, I think you are shortchanging the team by miles if you think the squad of

Gilder/Ravet
Jenkins/Kispert
Kispert/Watson/Arlauskas
Timme/Watson
Petrusev/Timme/Ballo

is just a round 32 team.

That is an elite 8 team in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

Plus, they're separate years if Nix is reclassifying. Suggs looks like a super star, Nix looks like a very, very good player, but if you could get Nix, but run the risk of losing Suggs, do you do it? That's the million dollar question.

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New to the board but long time reader. My simple answer to the above is "YES!" Take Nix in a heartbeat if he wants to come. You take the first of either of these two that wants to commit and be part of this. Everyone, keep in mind the following: Unless NBA rules change, I believe Nix cannot enter the NBA draft until 2021 because that is the year he will turn 19yrs old. So, if Nix reclassifies into 2019, I believe that means we would have him for a minimum of 2 years which means we would a more experienced Nix on that loaded 2020-2021 team. This fact, if accurate, makes Nix a no-brainer for 2019 if he is willing.

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Originally Posted by JPtheBeasta

It seems that the outcome of the Nix/Suggs comparison depends on what one needs in their PG. Nix is described as a very good passer and Suggs is described as a score-first guy who can distribute. I'd take either one, and the two could theoretically play together if they wanted to defer to each other a bit.

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I'm not sure why most miss the obvious on this one. How many times has Mark Few had TWO point guards STARTING on his teams? Hall and Santangelo, Dickau and Stepp, Pargo and Raivio, Pargo and Bouldin, Goss and Perkins.... I'm probably missing a few combo's.

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Originally Posted by former1dog

I'm not sure why most miss the obvious on this one. How many times has Mark Few had TWO point guards STARTING on his teams? Hall and Santangelo, Dickau and Stepp, Pargo and Raivio, Pargo and Bouldin, Goss and Perkins.... I'm probably missing a few combo's.

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Pangos Stockton...

I think Nix, or anyone else committing would make Suggs pause for a moment, but thats life. Get em all!!!

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

I agree 100%. My point was does getting Nix make Suggs think twice, especially once the Duke offer comes, and it will.

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Do you think if Duke land Suggs they are going to stop recruiting 5* guards. If he goes to one of the schools that is recruiting him, he's going to have to tear it up to stay on the court. What if Joes and Boogie Ellis are never NBA guards? They could be there 4 years. This is big time college basketball.. no one is going to stop recruiting great players just because they land one. He's not going to be guaranteed playing time wherever he goes, going to have to earn it no matter the program or who else is on the team.

My perfect world...2 Damian Lillard's and 2 CJ McCollum's....platoon em run run run shoot shoot shoot no fatigue factor ....imagine )

Think of practices

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

And your starting shooting guard is 6’1” tall.

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Swap Gilder and Jenkins and now your height "issue" is solved.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

I’m sorry, but that’s insane. Your starting backcourt doesn’t even average five assists per game combined. And your starting shooting guard is 6’1” tall. You’re starting small forward averaged eight points per game, you’re starting center averaged five points per game and your power forward is a true freshman, granted all of their numbers should go up with more minutes, but I just don’t think the team as you have constructed is very talented. If you think that’s an elite 8 team, I don’t know what to tell you. I don’t even think that team is a lock for the tourney, which is my whole point for going with the youth movement. If it’s going to be a rebuilding year anyway, why not let the young players play and gain experience? Having grad transfers only blocks their development for a team that will be lucky to make it out of the first round of March madness. But that is obviously where we disagree. Losing a five star, top 15 talent like Nix for one year of an OK player like Gilder is so detrimental to the team in the long run I don’t even know what to say.

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You dont think that starting 5 is very talented? Is that what you just said? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

"Ok player" like Gilder? You're like a shock jock... outrageous takes that have no backing by people that know what they are talking about.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

I’m not sure that I understand your point. Now that RJ Hampton re-classified, Suggs is the number one point guard for 2020. He is a McDonald’s all American top five player. He’s not going to have to fight for playing time, he is a one and done

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So then why would he be worried about who we sign? The question you asked is if any of this makes Suggs think twice. If he's a lock to be a one and done (which he's not - IMO), then why would he care? He's going to get recruited over no matter where he goes (ask Boogie Ellis).

Let's keep this forum about the recruits please and not about each other. We all have opinions, some we agree with and some we don't. I love seeing everyone's takes, no matter how different they are from mine.

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Originally Posted by thespywhozaggedme

He’s not going to get recruited over, that’s my point. Boogie Ellis was in the mid 30s, Suggs is currently number nine or 10 and will be top five by the end of the season. My point is everything I’ve read and research is that he loves Gonzaga and the only school that he would leave us for his Duke. Trey Jones will be gone after this year who also happens to be from Minneapolis. Duke will offer Suggs. That is my point.

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Everything here is hypothetical. We'll just agree to disagree.