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GU69
01-05-2008, 08:59 PM
What happened to LG?

Is he sick? Injured? Or just out of the rotation?

He started against Utah, but then only got a couple minutes. And then nothing in the Georgia game. I expected LG when IRA! got in.

TuckC
01-05-2008, 09:01 PM
They wanted reward Ira! for practicing so hard, maybe he was the cacofactor of the decision.

mendiant
01-05-2008, 09:29 PM
Ira made a difference, I was glad to see him out there, and while he was there, good things happened.

My regualrs and I were wondering about the absence of lg however...

hope he is doing well and not suffering injury.

DenDiegoZag
01-06-2008, 09:27 AM
With Josh and Gray rounding into playing form, it seems that someone like LG who is more of a defensive specialist is getting squeezed for playing time by those who are more of a "complete" offensive threat. I think that throughout the rest of the year we will see LG as more of a "situational" player. Simply put, LG has more to do in the off season to continue to develop into a consistent offensive threat.

BobZag
01-06-2008, 09:35 AM
4 on 5 doesn't work well.

BroncoZAG615
01-06-2008, 09:36 AM
It seems like the rotation is finally evening out into the way most of us saw it playing out. It seems that LG and Rob will be defensive specialists because of there athleticism and length. They got some valuble time and experience in the early going this year when injuries handicapped us but now we have settled into reality. LG still has plenty of time to work and get more minutes. I hope this Ira sighting is more than just a reward for a good week, I hope he finds himself in the game more and more.

MDABE80
01-06-2008, 10:08 AM
One thing sbout LG: I wouldn't be shy about having him in a game. He's a bit weak on offense but his defense and rebounding are stellar........among the best we have. LG doesn't take wild shots......usually low risk putbacks or short jumpers. He has another 2 years with us. How he could put up 23 ppg and become an All Stater in a tough Oakland league and have his offense wither at GU is beyond me. Big points must be in LG somewhere.

IrishZag
01-06-2008, 10:20 AM
I have to believe he was injured to some degree. I think I saw a wrap around his hand underneath his warm up. They wouldn't just swap him with Ira for no apparent reason. From what I have seen of Ira he does not offer anything better than Larry offensively. Defensively, his hustle is good and he is very active on loose balls, but I haven't seen anything to put him above Larry in that part of the game either.

If Larry could add a Bruce Bowen like 3 point shot from the corner, in addition to his dribble penetration and fast break points I think he could regularly contribute 20 minutes a game next year.

jim77
01-06-2008, 11:07 AM
The cool thing about this team is its versatility. The coach can taylor the lineup for whomever the Zags happen to be playing. If such and such isn't getting playing time in a certain game it might be because the coach deemed somebody else more effective. Theres just a LOT of talent on this team and some folks will get less time in certain situations....it doesn't mean they are playing bad.

It was nice to see Ira get a few miutes....That dunk attempt was AWESOME! The place would have exploded had the dunk gone down. I hope we see more of Ira. I think we will in conference.

Section 116
01-06-2008, 12:44 PM
I agree LG may be injured to some degree. I intend to watch the TV replay soon and I would think it would be addressed there. Perhaps someone who watched the broadcast would know. I do know from watching the game in person, LG had a heavily taped leg from thigh to midcalf at least and appeared to be favoring it during warmup. I would suspect nothing too serious as he did warm up to a point but he obviously never played. Also on the post game radio show, Coach Rice (I believe) said Ira had a nice week of practice and they wanted to get him on the floor for some live minutes!

WallaWallaZag
01-06-2008, 01:12 PM
One thing sbout LG: I wouldn't be shy about having him in a game. He's a bit weak on offense but his defense and rebounding are stellar........among the best we have. LG doesn't take wild shots......usually low risk putbacks or short jumpers. He has another 2 years with us. How he could put up 23 ppg and become an All Stater in a tough Oakland league and have his offense wither at GU is beyond me. Big points must be in LG somewhere.

I actually think LG's midrange jumper looked pretty solid and definitely better his freshman year...he may have gone backwards since because of such limited opportunities at Gonzaga after being the man in high school.

ZagsGoZags
01-07-2008, 05:39 AM
Larry scored double digit points in one of the earliest games of the 2006-7 season last year. I think he can put numbers up the same way Pargo does, driving, steals, fast break down the court. I don't think he can shoot 3's as well as Pargo, who is not stellar in that dept either.

Ira's attempt to dunk the ball with too much force when a bit off balance, is very forgiveable for a guy who must have giant amounts of pent up energy after spending so much time on the bench. JH used to do this once in a while, and did it in his first game this year. It is much better for the team that the player focus on the soft touch, or accuracy, when close enough to dunk it. It is more fun for the player to light up the crowd, but more important for the team to just make sure the ball goes in.

Our offense is finding itself. Brian Michaelson was right, he thought we hadn't matured to Nov 30 yet on offense, but that it was coming. It would be SO, SO, great to get a win over Memphis.

zaguarxj
01-07-2008, 07:06 AM
4 on 5 doesn't work well.

Take a look at the beginning of the Utah game and watch how they defend LG. You'll see what BobZ is talking about.

Nevtelen
01-07-2008, 09:35 AM
For whatever reason, LG really does not seem have much of a jumper - mid-range or otherwise. He also doesn't convert his free-throws at a particularly good clip. His D (and rebounding, for his size) is really great, but until he fixes those 2 issues... BZ is right: this team has been having major offense problems. They need all 5 guys out there to be able to score well. If Ira keeps working hard and catching on, I assume he'll take LG's minutes since (at 40% from 3 in JC) he at least theoretically has a pretty decent jumper. I do really hope LG fixes his offensive problems before next season, because I'd love to see him on the floor more.

Zag79
01-07-2008, 03:59 PM
LGs shooting % is 4th best on the team, so im not sure im in the mix of shoot more or lose playing time voters. is this pmac all over again? can a guy do 2 out of the required 3 things in hoops and lose time? shooting, rebounding and defense. 2 out of those 3 things are what you need to be able really help your team and LG rebounds and plays d like no other. actually, if larry played the same amount of minutes as matt, jeremy and pendo he would be the best rebounder and ball theif on the floor, and avg more points than pendo. (yes this is backed up by stats). the numbers add up in his favor so someone help me out... does LG lose almost all his time due to not shooting alot? i for one hope not.

Nevtelen
01-07-2008, 04:25 PM
Yeah, but the reason LG fg% is so high is that most of his shots are dunks or lay-ins off steals of fast-breaks. I'm not sure he's made more than 1 or 2 jumpers this year. And yes, he does bring good D and good rebounding, but having his guy sag so far off him is just killer for the rest of a developing offense and really hurts Pargo and Bouldin in the driving to the hoop department. Even if Pendo (for example) doesn't score a lot, he's a threat from three on in and has to be guarded, which keeps the middle more open. It's not the LG is individually a worse player or anything, but that his effect on the offense when he's out on the floor can be detrimental. In a season when the team is really struggling on offense, that's just not acceptable. If the offense were clicking along, he'd be great. I really like LG as a player and how hard he clearly works out on the floor. I just think he'll need a decent jumper if he's going to see much more court time this season.

Zag79
01-07-2008, 04:57 PM
out of curiousity, when bouldin is off from 3 he should play peanut time then too? or if pendo is passing up 3s and not shooting he should sit? i understand the idea of players sagging off lg, but EK didnt shoot that much and he got plenty of time. if pendo isnt shooting he is a slower version of LG. your point is well taken but from my view point its unjustified.

BobZag
01-07-2008, 05:49 PM
Winston Brooks.

Nevtelen
01-07-2008, 05:49 PM
out of curiousity, when bouldin is off from 3 he should play peanut time then too? or if pendo is passing up 3s and not shooting he should sit? i understand the idea of players sagging off lg, but EK didnt shoot that much and he got plenty of time. if pendo isnt shooting he is a slower version of LG. your point is well taken but from my view point its unjustified.

I understand where you're coming from, but the difference, for me, is that Bouldin and Pendo have hit lots of 3s in the past so even if they're off for one game or part of the game, no one will sag off them because there's always that threat. That won't happen with LG until he proves he can hit the open jumper. If Pendo is totally off for a game and not playing agressive and taking the shots he should, I do think he should sit probably. He won't for long, but that's the nature of building a roation IMO - once its in place, you stay with guys even if they have an off game - at least until they have a lot of off games in a row.

If LG could develop a good jumper, he'd be deadly with his driving ability. Until that happens, I just don't see him getting more than a few minutes a game.

I do agree with the EK point - however the teams EK was on were different GU teams with a well-oiled, well-established offense that didn't need EK to be a shooter at his position. And that also didn't have the depth/options of this team.

lothar98zag
01-08-2008, 01:04 PM
...I do agree with the EK point - however the teams EK was on were different GU teams with a well-oiled, well-established offense that didn't need EK to be a shooter at his position. And that also didn't have the depth/options of this team...
bingo

john montana
01-08-2008, 01:09 PM
I like LG's game, but with our offensive struggles we need people on the floor who are threats from deep. It isn't about how much you shoot, but whether the defense has to honor your shot. Even when he is off, they still know they better go get bouldin. I don't think any opposing coaches are worried about LG hurting them from anywhere past 6 ft. He could be a beast if he could just keep defenses honest from the outside. It doesn't need to be his primary weapon, he just needs to make them guard him.

zag67
01-08-2008, 04:09 PM
John, very well put. The key is being a threat to shoot. If you are a threat then that pulls their players out of the center. This then allows Jeremy to drive and shoot/kick it back out. It also allows them to get the ball down to Josh.

GonzagaGurl08
01-08-2008, 07:30 PM
I agree LG may be injured to some degree. I intend to watch the TV replay soon and I would think it would be addressed there. Perhaps someone who watched the broadcast would know. I do know from watching the game in person, LG had a heavily taped leg from thigh to midcalf at least and appeared to be favoring it during warmup. I would suspect nothing too serious as he did warm up to a point but he obviously never played. Also on the post game radio show, Coach Rice (I believe) said Ira had a nice week of practice and they wanted to get him on the floor for some live minutes!

LG's leg has been taped on and off all season long. Maybe, BZ or someone else in the know, can help us out. My guess it is some slight injury.

CarolinaZagFan
01-08-2008, 08:55 PM
As I said before, I will be at the Memphis game this year because that is the closest the Zags play to NC this year. Also, I think LG should get quite a few minutes in that game. I know that I don't know as much as Coach Few (none of us on this board do) However, I think LG would be able to guard Memphis' best all-around player Chris Douglas Roberts very well. I've never seen GU run a triangle and two defense, but it has been the best way to slow down Memphis' powerful offense this year.(USC and others later have done this) I would have Pargo hawking D. Rose and LG guarding CDR for much of the game. Also, I would like Micah, Daye, and Josh with the down low zone because of their length and athleticism could be able to get out and guard the perimeter while we're in this defense. I really think that would give us the best chance of winning, although we would have to also give Matt significant minutes because recently he has been our best scorer.

As I've said before, I do not like UNC, but have great respect for Roy Williams as a person and a coach. And he has always started and given significant minutes to his best defender. (Jackie Manuel over Marvin Williams on the national championship team, and Marcus Ginyard over Danny "instant offense" Green this season.)

What do ya'll think?

WallaWallaZag
01-08-2008, 10:06 PM
LG could get some additional defensive specialist minutes if our offense gets rolling like it is capable of...until we get totally untracked, we need to go with more offense. I would say that Micah stepping up this year on D is also cutting into LG's minutes as his length can shut down hot shooters ala humphrey. LG is better at shutting down guards and wings who drive to the hole, and for pressing ball handlers full court.