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Butler Guy
12-05-2007, 10:05 AM
Tomorrow marks the beginning of the annoying time of year for Butler and it's fans, conference season. I am posting this here because I would imagine it is much the same for Gonzaga.

Below is a letter sent to essentially everyone in Detroit, but specifically those with even the loosest affiliation with University of Detroit Mercy:


Come watch the Titans take on #16 Butler!

The Detroit Titans Men's Basketball team will host 13th ranked Butler University
on Thursday December 6, 2007 at Calihan Hall (Tip-off at 7:00 PM). The game will
be televised LIVE on Comcast Local! Detroit Titan Athletics is offering a 50%
discount on any ticket (regular prices: $10 & $12) for all UDM Alumni!

This discount is available only on game day at both Calihan Hall ticket windows
(inside the North entrances). Alumni must either show their Alumni Association
Card or print and show this email at the ticket window. Doors open at 6:00 PM.

Come join Titan Territory for a great evening of NCAA basketball!


Contact: Greg Haapala, Titan Athletics
PH: (313) 993-1700
Email: haapalgt@udmercy.edu


I also received the following email today about the Roundball Luncheon. This was sent to the titan club list serve titan_club@listserver.udmercy.edu from GoTitans@udmercy.edu

ROUNDBALL LUNCHEON

Please join Head Coach Perry Watson and other Titan Fans
for the first Roundball Luncheon of the basketball season
Thursday, December 6, 2007 at noon in the Ed & Brooks Room in Calihan Hall.
Lunch will be provided by Qdoba Mexican Grill.
The cost is $15 per person for lunch and a preview of
that night's opponent, #13 ranked Butler University.

Please call 313-993-1700 or respond to this e-mail to
RSVP for the luncheon.

GO TITANS!
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Everyone of our conference games is the other team's damned Super Bowl, it is beyond annoying. Do you have similar stories? The worst is the pathetic, chippy fans of 20-point underdogs. God, I hate conference season!

ZagNative
12-05-2007, 10:25 AM
No, I really don't feel that way about conference play, and I haven't detected that feeling among most other fans who post here. I love seeing every conference opponents' home court packed to the rafters. And there some great players in the WCC and some players we love to hate.

BobZag
12-05-2007, 10:45 AM
I feel exactly like Butler Guy and I've said so before but I'll reiterate it now. My favorites parts of basketball season is as follows--

Preconference (Nov & Dec, I enjoy the vast variety across the country)
March Madness
The Offseason (recruiting, pick up games, awesome summers, etc.)
Conference (overall, it flat-out bores me)

I'm with you, Butler Guy.

Butler Guy
12-05-2007, 10:57 AM
BZ,

Conference season bores me too and you have to go on the road 9 times and if you lose at anyone of those places, it is considered a "bad loss." I have long hoped that St Louis would push its way into the Missouri Valley, so that league would need another team. I'd be much more exited for conference time in the MVC than I am right now. I really don't like our league at all.

I bet you get some of this too, but I was just reading on Wright State's message board this guy's rant on how they have the team to win the conference this season. I mean, how delusional do you have to be? On the same day his team was getting blown out by Marist (whoever the hell they are), we were beating the crap out of Ohio State by 19. Mind you, this was just last Saturday. What is God's name would make a person think you could even stay within 20 at home, road, or on the moon?

jim77
12-05-2007, 10:59 AM
St. Mary's?????? Should be an exciting game.

frontrangezag
12-05-2007, 11:19 AM
Have to agree with Jim77. I am as pumped or more so for the St Mary's games as the other "big" games.

For tonight, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COOOOOOOOOOOOGS!

a13coach
12-05-2007, 11:46 AM
Tomorrow marks the beginning of the annoying time of year for Butler and it's fans, conference season. I am posting this here because I would imagine it is much the same for Gonzaga.

Below is a letter sent to essentially everyone in Detroit, but specifically those with even the loosest affiliation with University of Detroit Mercy:



Everyone of our conference games is the other team's damned Super Bowl, it is beyond annoying. Do you have similar stories? The worst is the pathetic, chippy fans of 20-point underdogs. God, I hate conference season!


No, I really don't feel that way about conference play, and I haven't detected that feeling among most other fans who post here. I love seeing every conference opponents' home court packed to the rafters. And there some great players in the WCC and some players we love to hate.


I feel exactly like Butler Guy and I've said so before but I'll reiterate it now. My favorites parts of basketball season is as follows--

Preconference (Nov & Dec, I enjoy the vast variety across the country)
March Madness
The Offseason (recruiting, pick up games, awesome summers, etc.)
Conference (overall, it flat-out bores me)

I'm with you, Butler Guy.

While conference play does not bore me I agree with ButlerGuy and BZ. It ticks me off that most, if not all, the other WCC teams ususally only sell out when the Zags are in town and play like it was the NCAA championship. The rest of the season they play like they are pacing themselves for the Zag games. St. Mary's seems to be the exception this year. Worst yet they play relatively weaker pre-conference schedules and do not fare very well. Maybe if they sucked it up, went on the road and played the big boys more often, and win the games they are supposed to win, for several years then conference play would be much better.
I think they have the attitude that, "If we knock off the Zags then we are as good as they are and have arrived." I think they should go into every game as if they are playing the Zags, then they may get somewhere.

Nevtelen
12-05-2007, 12:12 PM
I agree a13coach - it's not necessarily the conference play itself that annoys me, it's teams who can't win any OOC games and then base their entire season on beating GU at home. If (like St Mary's this year), those teams could actually play a decent OOC and win a few games, I wouldn't mind so much. I'm actually really looking forward to the St. Mary's games this year. But smack talk from most of the WCC? Please.

Butler Guy
12-05-2007, 01:02 PM
a13coach,

That is exactly what Im talking about...

ZagNative
12-05-2007, 01:08 PM
So I guess it's just me, Butler Guy. Who knew?

BobZag
12-05-2007, 02:04 PM
BZ,

Conference season bores me too and you have to go on the road 9 times and if you lose at anyone of those places, it is considered a "bad loss." I have long hoped that St Louis would push its way into the Missouri Valley, so that league would need another team. I'd be much more exited for conference time in the MVC than I am right now. I really don't like our league at all.

I bet you get some of this too, but I was just reading on Wright State's message board this guy's rant on how they have the team to win the conference this season. I mean, how delusional do you have to be? On the same day his team was getting blown out by Marist (whoever the hell they are), we were beating the crap out of Ohio State by 19. Mind you, this was just last Saturday. What is God's name would make a person think you could even stay within 20 at home, road, or on the moon?

We experience the exact same thing. Do opposing teams hand out "Beat Butler" or "Beat the Bulldogs" t-shirts to all their fans, w/o one mention of their own team on them? Sub .500 teams are always yapping about how they are gonna win it all. Year...after...year...after...year. Ugh, I grow weary.

Nevtelen
12-05-2007, 02:25 PM
So I guess it's just me, Butler Guy. Who knew?

OTOH, I don't dislike the games themselves. They're fine. It's just all the hype that GU generates everywhere from mediocre teams that annoy me.

Butler Guy
12-05-2007, 02:38 PM
We experience the exact same thing. Do opposing teams hand out "Beat Butler" or "Beat the Bulldogs" t-shirts to all their fans

Not only that, but the idiots wear them to games that Butler isn't participating in. Last February, Wright State and Milwaukee were playing on ESPN and when the camera man went to the WSU student section, the entire group was wearing their idiotic "Beat Butler" t-shirts. Butler was playing in Detroit that day.


Sub .500 teams are always yapping about how they are gonna win it all. Year...after...year...after...year. Ugh, I grow weary.

I get tired of the "our guards match up well with their guards" crap. Jesus, there is like 5 or 6 teams in the country that that is true for and one of those 5 or 6 is most certainly NOT in the HL!!

zag944
12-05-2007, 03:05 PM
While I think the "Beat the Zags" shirts and the fans that only go to the game against Gonzaga are somewhat...well, pathetic, it doesn't bother me. In fact, it is rather flattering.

We play 7 other WCC teams, and usually at least 4 of them give us a damn good game on the road. I think its good to be tested a few times in the conference schedule.

zagirl2k
12-05-2007, 03:44 PM
What bothers me the most about conference is how hard it is to get tickets these days. Most of the schools make you buy multiple game packages just to get the GU game and then still oversell the game. Then hardly anyone shows up for any of the other games all year. I was buying St. Mary's tickets during the Bollwinkel years when there were more GU than SMC fans but I'm not going to spend money on the entire WCC season for St. Mary's just to watch one game. I know it's a good marketing/money making ploy, but it's frustrating to someone who used to be able to get tickets pretty easily for the 3 Bay Area games and now can't (well we refuse to go to USF any more, parking is a disaster and it's just too much of a hassle all the way around getting over to The City and I don't want to give them any of my money).

USF
12-05-2007, 04:04 PM
I seem to recall a series of postings saying that the Gonzaga fans don't "bash" other programs and how you all want the WCC teams to do well. Then I read this thread that is basically bashing all of the WCC teams, how it is a "bore" to play us, etc. I don't understand. Then a young lady even goes as far as to say she won't go to a USF game, because "she doesn't want to give them any of her money". What, exactly, is that supposed to mean? Seems arrogant.

zagirl2k
12-05-2007, 04:31 PM
Why should I buy a ticket when they are just going to leave doors open and let people in for free? Ushers have been incredibly unhelpful when I was there when I could even find them. Parking is terrible. I personally don't enjoy going to games there anymore. We've gone the last 3 years and after each one we say we are never going back and we are finally sticking to it. Did I mention how much I hate parking there?

Plus my parents spent enough money getting their degrees there many years ago. . .other than family, my experiences with USF have not been good.

Not that it matters to most of the people on your board, you'd find something to criticize no matter what we say.

I personally like most of the WCC games and will watch some of the other teams play each other on TV if they aren't on at the same time as GU games.

Nevtelen
12-05-2007, 05:13 PM
I seem to recall a series of postings saying that the Gonzaga fans don't "bash" other programs and how you all want the WCC teams to do well. Then I read this thread that is basically bashing all of the WCC teams...

How has any of this thread been bashing WCC teams? I think it's been expressed how tired people are that many WCC teams don't do anything outside of conference and then base their season on the GU game rather than actually playing a decent OOC sched (notice I didn't say all). I honestly do wish the WCC would do better. I think it might just be around the corner if Pepp can pull itself up by the bootstraps and St Mary's can keep things around the level they're now seemingly at. And I would honestly welcome that. I don't have problems with any WCC schools generally. I root for all of them in non-conference games. It's just their attitudes and how wearing their monomania gets sometimes.

USF
12-05-2007, 06:38 PM
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought someone wrote that they were "bored" of the WCC teams, that they were mediocre and that certain other WCC fans are "pathetic".

And I know the parking around USF is bad. And to the young lady, it seemed a little extreme to say you don't want to give USF your money because of that.

LynetteG
12-05-2007, 06:44 PM
So I guess it's just me, Butler Guy. Who knew?

ZN, it's you and me, baby. As a person who has a loose affiliation with UD Mercy (Jordan goes to their HS) I love to see the underdogs really get fired up over the bigger games. Come on GU fans, it wasn't that long ago that no one would come play us, and it is still difficult to get any big time program to play in K2 vs Spokane Arena.

In business, it's the secretary you want to impress, not the guy who thinks he's the king. Never forget the little people. More times than not, they are the ones who got you where you are, and will get you where you want to be.

MedZag
12-05-2007, 06:49 PM
While I enjoy the WCC and I think its good for us to take everyone's best shot, I do think there is validity to the argument that a lot of schools use a win over us as the sole benchmark for a "good season." I say shoot higher! I'd rather have a couple conference losses and 3 WCC teams in the dance!

a13coach
12-06-2007, 08:41 AM
I seem to recall a series of postings saying that the Gonzaga fans don't "bash" other programs and how you all want the WCC teams to do well. Then I read this thread that is basically bashing all of the WCC teams, how it is a "bore" to play us, etc. I don't understand. Then a young lady even goes as far as to say she won't go to a USF game, because "she doesn't want to give them any of her money". What, exactly, is that supposed to mean? Seems arrogant.

Exactly- I want the WCC teams to do well. I am not bashing them I just wish they would play 1) either a tougher OCC sched or 2) if they do not play a tough sched then at least beat the low to middling teams they do play and 3) approach every game with the same vigor, veracity, and confidence as when the ZAGS come to town. And do that for several years to build that kind of attitude and desire w/in the program. But instead we get "hey we got a great team this year and have a good chance to knock off the ZAGS, but then next year we will be back to mediocre."
It is a long term plan, beating GU on your home court 1-2 times over the course of 3 years but not doing much else is not going to get you to where GU is, and that is not how GU got to where they are.
Just always try to beat (the snot out of) the team that is on the court no matter who it is.