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jazzdelmar
03-31-2019, 10:23 AM
Tommy seemed as exercised as I have seen him at the end of the game. Roaming the sideline even during play, and being the first coach to approach the players coming off the court during a TO. I take this as a good sign. I don't know Tommy, he may be more conservative and immutable as Few during a game, but it would be great if he wasn't. Love to see him get named associate HC or even head coach in waiting and turn more of the in-game stuff over to a new face.

Hoopaholic
03-31-2019, 10:39 AM
Are you sure some of game decisions aren’t already in place

Many times I see him beckoning subs without ever consulting few that seems to be a big part of in game operations

jazzdelmar
03-31-2019, 10:41 AM
Are you sure some of game decisions aren’t already in place

Many times I see him beckoning subs without ever consulting few that seems to be a big part of in game operations

No idea. I just am most familiar w the asst coaches sitting silently during the game. Even during TOs.

gueastcoast
03-31-2019, 10:51 AM
He was also all over the non-call on the out of bounds following the Rui block...as demonstrative as I've ever seen any GU coach.

MileHigh
03-31-2019, 10:57 AM
Are you sure some of game decisions aren’t already in place

Many times I see him beckoning subs without ever consulting few that seems to be a big part of in game operations

Tommy does all the subbing rotations. Has it all scripted on a card in his pocket and he generally doesnt waver from it during the first half. That is why you will often see a player get pulled right after hitting a big shot.
Drives the players absolutely crazy

MJ777
03-31-2019, 11:09 AM
Tommy does all the subbing rotations. Has it all scripted on a card in his pocket and he generally doesnt waver from it during the first half. That is why you will often see a player get pulled right after hitting a big shot.
Drives the players absolutely crazy

He must have forgot to write Tillies name on the card for the second half. Or maybe an injury flared up.

jazzdelmar
03-31-2019, 11:13 AM
Tommy does all the subbing rotations. Has it all scripted on a card in his pocket and he generally doesnt waver from it during the first half. That is why you will often see a player get pulled right after hitting a big shot.
Drives the players absolutely crazy

That sounds really dumb to me. That’s the antithesis of coaching.

Pleasant Peninsula
03-31-2019, 11:58 AM
Are you sure some of game decisions aren’t already in place


"If we get down in the second half, let's not use Tillie at all."

jazzdelmar
03-31-2019, 12:09 PM
"If we get down in the second half, let's not use Tillie at all."

Maybe the subs are in alpha order.....in reverse height?

Zagceo
03-31-2019, 12:23 PM
Tommy does all the subbing rotations. Has it all scripted on a card in his pocket and he generally doesnt waver from it during the first half. That is why you will often see a player get pulled right after hitting a big shot.
Drives the players absolutely crazy

i’ve heard this before. Can’t remember where might be you mile or someone else.

i also thought Tommy was named Coach in waiting...GZ?

GoZags
03-31-2019, 12:32 PM
i also thought Tommy was named Coach in waiting...GZ?

That's correct ... and here's Few saying that in print.

https://www.gonzagabulletin.com/sports/gonzaga-men-s-basketball-s-heir-to-the-throne/article_279e6e70-1d90-11e8-9688-9fb8a1f8dae6.html

vandalzag
03-31-2019, 06:31 PM
That sounds really dumb to me. That’s the antithesis of coaching.

Dumb when you lose smart when you win? I am sure it bothers the players, no player wants to come off the court unless they are ready to cough up a lung. This approach has seemed to work so far. Sure not shiny trophy, but a lot of positives.

kitzbuel
03-31-2019, 06:40 PM
That sounds really dumb to me. That’s the antithesis of coaching.Even basic, online coaching sites talk about planning and scripting rotations ahead of time. Seems pretty basic coaching to me. I do it for my soccer teams I coach.

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jazzdelmar
03-31-2019, 07:35 PM
Pretty common for some great FB coaches to list the first 10-20 plays, but then they adjust to game situations. Does that happen?

thespywhozaggedme
03-31-2019, 07:39 PM
Tommy does all the subbing rotations. Has it all scripted on a card in his pocket and he generally doesnt waver from it during the first half. That is why you will often see a player get pulled right after hitting a big shot.
Drives the players absolutely crazy

Wow! Really?!?!?! That is the very definition of micro-managing and completely stifles the "hot hand". Thanks for the behind the scenes peek. wow.

thespywhozaggedme
03-31-2019, 07:42 PM
Even basic, online coaching sites talk about planning and scripting rotations ahead of time. Seems pretty basic coaching to me. I do it for my soccer teams I coach.

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Why? Honest question. If a player is playing out of his mind, you take him out because you "gotta stick to the script"? That seems like putting yourself (not you specifically, mind you, the premise itself) before the good of the team.

vandalzag
03-31-2019, 08:01 PM
Pretty common for some great FB coaches to list the first 10-20 plays, but then they adjust to game situations. Does that happen?

Of course it does. Are you just feeding Spy for the sake of entertainment? No judgment I like a good show as much as the next guy but this is a little too easy.

jazzdelmar
03-31-2019, 08:02 PM
Of course it does. Are you just feeding Spy for the sake of entertainment? No judgment I like a good show as much as the next guy but this is a little too easy.

No way. Spy is perfectly capable of making a spectacle of himself without anyone’s
Help.

vandalzag
03-31-2019, 08:13 PM
No way. Spy is perfectly capable of making a spectacle of himself without anyone’s
Help.

So true. My bad for overstepping.

thespywhozaggedme
03-31-2019, 08:20 PM
So true. My bad for overstepping.

your lack of self awareness is astounding. Even for you.

vandalzag
03-31-2019, 08:29 PM
your lack of self awareness is astounding. Even for you.

I am very aware. I acknowledge that I had overstepped when I failed to acknowledge your ability to make a spectacle of yourself. Mea Culpa.

thespywhozaggedme
03-31-2019, 08:32 PM
I am very aware. I acknowledge that I had overstepped when I failed to acknowledge your ability to make a spectacle of yourself. Mea Culpa.

All you do is insult those that disagree with you. You've done it with Jazz and others. You come across as very angry. I wouldn't recommend going through live that way, but hey, you do you.

vandalzag
03-31-2019, 08:48 PM
All you do is insult those that disagree with you. You've done it with Jazz and others. You come across as very angry. I wouldn't recommend going through live that way, but hey, you do you.

Not angry at all. You are the one who taking a combative stance against anybody who does not buy into your "tinfoil hat" view. When Jazz and I find common ground with your lunacy you may want to take pause. But then again that does not fit your keyboard warrior narrative. Maybe you should take a beat from your quixotic posts and reflect on the bigger picture. Bottom line is you proclaim to be an "internet dork" whose posts do not matter, yet you proceed as though you are the cornerstone to all that is Gonzaga Basketball. Enjoy what you have not what you wish you had.

thespywhozaggedme
03-31-2019, 08:53 PM
Not angry at all. You are the one who taking a combative stance against anybody who does not buy into your "tinfoil hat" view. When Jazz and I find common ground with your lunacy you may want to take pause. But then again that does not fit your keyboard warrior narrative. Maybe you should take a beat from your quixotic posts and reflect on the bigger picture. Bottom line is you proclaim to be an "internet dork" whose posts do not matter, yet you proceed as though you are the cornerstone to all that is Gonzaga Basketball. Enjoy what you have not what you wish you had.

You immediately devolve into name calling and insults whenever someone disagrees with you, there's this latent rage, that immediately boils up, you're seething. This is just a message board about basketball brother, don't get so angry and worked up. And don't name call and insult. It's not nice.

gonzagafan62
03-31-2019, 09:06 PM
Tommy seems perfectly happy to stay. Jazz heres an article I found earlier this month. Didn’t post this here because it took me some time to find it again. I know GZ confirmed the first part already lol

https://www.gonzagabulletin.com/sports/gonzaga-men-s-basketball-s-heir-to-the-throne/article_279e6e70-1d90-11e8-9688-9fb8a1f8dae6.html

When you scroll to the bottom it talks about the above mentioned “Few put the head coach in waiting” title on Lloyd. Then Lloyd goes on to say

“One of the great things about being at Gonzaga and working for coach Few is that you feel like an owner of the program,” Lloyd said. “I chose a long time ago to never live in hypotheticals, ‘Would I take this job or that job?’ I love this place, I’ve raised my family here, and so I have no reason to leave”

I know this wasn’t what you were really talking about, but I wanted to add that as well in case someone didn’t know. Tommy seems as some have previously said huge in parts of the huddle and gameplans. Just an observation

vandalzag
03-31-2019, 09:06 PM
You immediately devolve into name calling and insults whenever someone disagrees with you, there's this latent rage, that immediately boils up, you're seething. This is just a message board about basketball brother, don't get so angry and worked up. And don't name call and insult. It's not nice.

What names did I call? Where is my anger? I am suggested you enjoy what you have not what you wish you have. Now I will admit I was attempting to enjoy the sport of engaging with you. Unfortunately you have taken the sport out of it.

MJ777
03-31-2019, 09:06 PM
I loved Tommy. Roger Daultry was awesome. I really thought Elton John was a Pinball Wizard.

thespywhozaggedme
03-31-2019, 09:08 PM
What names did I call? Where is my anger? I am suggested you enjoy what you have not what you wish you have. Now I will admit I was attempting to enjoy the sport of engaging with you. Unfortunately you have taken the sport out of it.

Intentionally being mean and wanting to belittle others isn't "sport" to me. We both love the Zags, let's focus on that. Deal?

Ladyzag12
03-31-2019, 09:09 PM
Tommy rocks and is a treasure.

MickMick
03-31-2019, 09:12 PM
I get the perception that Few delegates quite a bit.

In fact, he seemed quite shocked that the normally stellar scouting reports let him down for the WCC tournament championship.

CDC84
03-31-2019, 09:15 PM
Tommy is going to be the next Gonzaga head coach sooner than most think. Still believe Few hangs it up by 64. He wants to do other stuff in life besides just coaching when he is in such good shape. He has said this repeatedly.....he will not be a Coach K or a Boeheim. Plus he wishes to leave the program in great shape for Tommy. I think Tommy is going to be an excellent coach, but somewhere along the line - either when Donny retires or when Few does - they must hire a recruiting specialist. It's something they've never really done before. What they have done is hired all around great coaches. But when Lloyd takes over as the head man, he's not going to have as much time to fly overseas trying to recruit and discover players internationally.

ZagNation
03-31-2019, 10:13 PM
Tommy is going to be the next Gonzaga head coach sooner than most think. Still believe Few hangs it up by 64. He wants to do other stuff in life besides just coaching when he is in such good shape. He has said this repeatedly.....he will not be a Coach K or a Boeheim. Plus he wishes to leave the program in great shape for Tommy. I think Tommy is going to be an excellent coach, but somewhere along the line - either when Donny retires or when Few does - they must hire a recruiting specialist. It's something they've never really done before. What they have done is hired all around great coaches. But when Lloyd takes over as the head man, he's not going to have as much time to fly overseas trying to recruit and discover players internationally.

A former Zag could be a good fit.

Zagger
04-01-2019, 05:04 AM
A former Zag could be a good fit.

That’d be sweet :)
I could see Sacre or Turiaf being good at it.

SWZag
04-01-2019, 09:43 AM
That’d be sweet :)
I could see Sacre or Turiaf being good at it.

Can you imagine if Ronny were a recruiter? I could just imagine, we'd have recruits lining up at the door step. I think he could sell anything to anyone. Former players who know the family atmosphere at Gonzaga are best a communicating that to others. I think that would be awesome to have him on the bench.

TexasZagFan
04-01-2019, 09:55 AM
I loved Tommy. Roger Daultry was awesome. I really thought Elton John was a Pinball Wizard.

I was the Pinball Wizard of the Class of '76. So much so, that was my "handle" during ROTC maneuvers. lol

Grand Valley Zag
04-01-2019, 10:08 AM
Can you imagine if Ronny were a recruiter? I could just imagine, we'd have recruits lining up at the door step. I think he could sell anything to anyone. Former players who know the family atmosphere at Gonzaga are best a communicating that to others. I think that would be awesome to have him on the bench.

I would love that!

kitzbuel
04-01-2019, 10:17 AM
I would love that!

Or maybe bring Rem back.

TexasZagFan
04-01-2019, 10:20 AM
Or maybe bring Rem back.

I think Rem returns when Brian Michaelson moves up the ladder, albeit at another school. He'd be one of my choices for a head coach.

Grand Valley Zag
04-01-2019, 10:31 AM
Why not both eventually?

CanadianZagsFan
04-01-2019, 11:17 AM
A former Zag could be a good fit.

Great idea. And who are the Zags that have had biggest bonds with Tommy ? Speak to those names...

EEzag
04-01-2019, 11:29 AM
Great idea. And who are the Zags that have had biggest bonds with Tommy ? Speak to those names...

Is Tommy grooming someone? If not, he better start. Part of our success with international recruits is our familiarity with the system of bringing them over, and how to contact them abroad. There is a nuance involved.

DixieZag
04-01-2019, 11:35 AM
Maybe I'm alone in this but I always saw Gary Bell as a future coach. I believe I read here one time that it was Gary that reminded Few to foul when up 3 and the other team had the ball. Gary also was never really up or down, more thinking.

We've had a TON of kids who went on to thrive in whatever they chose to do. Gary just always struck me as uniquely fit to coach. I have no idea if he wants to.

CDC84
04-01-2019, 11:38 AM
Three former Zags come to mind as being guys who might be excellent recruiters. Of course two are not internationals:

1) Ronny (as others have mentioned)
2) Pargo. Played a huge part in helping the staff land Norvell. Would really help with recruiting inner city kids. The guy is the ultimate Gonzaga success story. A guy who grew up in one of the worst parts of Chicago, became a Zag, and through a change of environment and a change of culture not only graduated, but became one of the program's legendary personalities
3) Knight. Erroll has a TON of experience working with youth basketball players on the west side since his Zag days. Think he would also be excellent with recruiting inner city kids.

I really hope Michaelson doesn't depart. Have a feeling someone might snatch him up before he ever becomes an associate head coach under Tommy. But who knows. Seems to me if Tommy were to "groom" someone to take over some of the international recruiting chores, Brian might be it.

Argentum
04-01-2019, 01:15 PM
Probably doesn't really fit the timeframe as he's still got his whole playing career ahead of him, but Kevin Pangos is going to be totally set in the European connections regard when he hangs it up. Given that his dad was a coach and he's been around that side of the game his whole life I'd be surprised if he doesn't gravitate towards coaching eventually.

EEzag
04-01-2019, 01:32 PM
Three former Zags come to mind as being guys who might be excellent recruiters. Of course two are not internationals:

1) Ronny (as others have mentioned)
2) Pargo. Played a huge part in helping the staff land Norvell. Would really help with recruiting inner city kids. The guy is the ultimate Gonzaga success story. A guy who grew up in one of the worst parts of Chicago, became a Zag, and through a change of environment and a change of culture not only graduated, but became one of the program's legendary personalities
3) Knight. Erroll has a TON of experience working with youth basketball players on the west side since his Zag days. Think he would also be excellent with recruiting inner city kids.

I really hope Michaelson doesn't depart. Have a feeling someone might snatch him up before he ever becomes an associate head coach under Tommy. But who knows. Seems to me if Tommy were to "groom" someone to take over some of the international recruiting chores, Brian might be it.

I was thinking Brian as well. If not Brian maybe we can get back Bankhead. I would love to see Pargo in that roll as well.

ZagNation
04-01-2019, 10:01 PM
Can you imagine if Ronny were a recruiter? I could just imagine, we'd have recruits lining up at the door step. I think he could sell anything to anyone. Former players who know the family atmosphere at Gonzaga are best a communicating that to others. I think that would be awesome to have him on the bench.

Ronny Turiaf was my thought.