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Goshzagit
02-09-2019, 05:40 AM
It is your time to shine, Mr. Petrusev.

You have prepared, played key minutes, and practiced hard all season for this opportunity. Time to rise to the occasion, as this team needs you to make a run.

Have fun, go hard, and make a splash young man!

ps. - Filip isn't the passer or defender Tillie is, nor the mis-match all around the floor, yet I believe Petrusev is just as good, if not better in the paint. He can play 10-15 mins and be a very efficient/effective presence for this team off the bench. I believe in him going forward.

Tillie was a fantastic defender, and a significant reason we jumped 40 spots in Ken Pom. His fouls were cheap and often silly, yet his switching, awareness, and ability to guard were terrific. His floor spacing was unique, defenses took notice, and his ability to make the timely pass, be a great teammate, and absorb fouls were paramount as well. The team just feels more comfortable with him backing them up than Filip, but we all heard Filip is having a terrific 2019 in practice. We witnessed what he is capable of doing when called upon. He can put points on the board. He is going to fill in admirably, and be a reason we win an extra game or two in NCAA Tourney.

GoZags
02-09-2019, 05:55 AM
The Sky's the limit for this Gonzaga squad. And Filip (and Jeremy) will help.

Goshzagit
02-09-2019, 06:33 AM
The Sky's the limit for this Gonzaga squad. And Filip (and Jeremy) will help.

+1. Good point, more opportunity/time for Jeremy as well. The team earned #1 ranking in the the Nation sans Tillie and can end #1 without him as well.

GonzagasaurusFlex
02-09-2019, 06:50 AM
+1. Good point, more opportunity/time for Jeremy as well. The team earned #1 ranking in the the Nation sans Tillie and can end #1 without him as well.

Assuming the info posted on the Tillie foot thread is true, that hes out for the season, than yeah for sure time for Filip to step up for this team. He and Jones can get Clarke and Rui backup minutes w Jones also getting minutes backing up Kispert. Curious, what is Zags best defensive lineup now? I say:

Perkins, Crandall, Jones, Rui, Clarke
OR
Perkins, Crandall, Norvell, Jones, Clarke

MontanaCoyote
02-09-2019, 08:22 AM
It is your time to shine, Mr. Petrusev.

You have prepared, played key minutes, and practiced hard all season for this opportunity. Time to rise to the occasion, as this team needs you to make a run.

Have fun, go hard, and make a splash young man!

ps. - Filip isn't the passer or defender Tillie is, nor the mis-match all around the floor, yet I believe Petrusev is just as good, if not better in the paint. He can play 10-15 mins and be a very efficient/effective presence for this team off the bench. I believe in him going forward.

Tillie was a fantastic defender, and a significant reason we jumped 40 spots in Ken Pom. His fouls were cheap and often silly, yet his switching, awareness, and ability to guard were terrific. His floor spacing was unique, defenses took notice, and his ability to make the timely pass, be a great teammate, and absorb fouls were paramount as well. The team just feels more comfortable with him backing them up than Filip, but we all heard Filip is having a terrific 2019 in practice. We witnessed what he is capable of doing when called upon. He can put points on the board. He is going to fill in admirably, and be a reason we win an extra game or two in NCAA Tourney.

Have made this pitch on Petrol for some time now. Even more important given Till’s injury. I WAS thinking that if Petrol shines with Tillie playing, our shot at winning a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 game improves exponentially. NOW I’m thinking that without Tillie playing, our shot at getting to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 game actually depends on Petrol playing well.

Can’t replace Tillie. All you can do is cover for him. Here’s hoping Petro can do just that and, OK, a bit more, too!

raise the zag
02-09-2019, 08:46 AM
Have made this pitch on Petrol for some time now. Even more important given Till’s injury. I WAS thinking that if Petrol shines with Tillie playing, our shot at winning a Sweet 16 or Elite 8 game improves exponentially. NOW I’m thinking that without Tillie playing, our shot at getting to the Sweet 16 or Elite 8 game actually depends on Petrol playing well.

Can’t replace Tillie. All you can do is cover for him. Here’s hoping Petro can do just that and, OK, a bit more, too!

Great post.

Foul trouble was literally a thing of the past with Tillie's return, because even if he had fouls we could spot play Petrusev.

Now, back to the tense moments of Rui or Clarke potentially getting their 3rd or 4th foul called, and only one person to back them up. Or required to play small ball with Jones at the (4).

I loved how aggressive Rui and Clarke could play with Tillie's return, not to mention more confident, taking risks, and any fatigue chance was over.

I am bummed, yet realistically, Tillie has averaged an injury (even minor ankle sprains) about every 8-10 games since he arrived t Gonzaga. It was 50-50 all along he'd remain healthy the rest of the year. I feel terrible for him and his family, followed by his teammates, and all Zag fans. Really unfortunate news and limits Gonzaga no matter how you look at it. Yes, Petrusev is a very solid back-up big man who can score points, yet we are still one 6'10" highly experienced and versatile big man down from the rotation, on both sides of the court. Tillie had a few games with 7 rebs in limited mins, a 6 assist game, 14 pts in 18 mins, etc. Those are areas Petrusev has yet to excel at, and his defense is nearly non existent.

That said, there is hope, and we are still a very good team....just not a deep one. Foul trouble and fatigue are obstacles once again, we'll just have to Coach around them, trust more, and everyone else pick up the slack of a having a man down.

Booster
02-09-2019, 09:30 AM
Don't count out Jeremy Jones. He was the X factor early in the year, especially against Duke. We still have a rotation of 8 that is as good as any team in the country.

raise the zag
02-09-2019, 10:14 AM
Fwiw, and not sure it means much or not, yet the OFFICIAL injury report for tonight's game lists Tillie as "questionable".

If he was ruled out for the season, one might presume he would be listed as "doubtful".

Still hoping. . .

If he actually has a torn fascia, that is technically plantar fasciatitus as that is a type microtearing.

Depends on severity, whether graded or rupture, partial, etc

Did our source jump the gun after hearing the word "tear"? They have been a consistently reliable and legit source for many years, very close to the team, so my hope is the prognosis is better than initially feared.

jazzdelmar
02-09-2019, 10:48 AM
There are scant legit sources here and so far they’ve said nada.


Fwiw, and not sure it means much or not, yet the OFFICIAL injury report for tonight's game lists Tillie as "questionable".

If he was ruled out for the season, one might presume he would be listed as "doubtful".

Still hoping. . .

If he actually has a torn fascia, that is technically plantar fasciatitus as that is a type microtearing.

Depends on severity, whether graded or rupture, partial, etc

Did our source jump the gun after hearing the word "tear"? They have been a consistently reliable and legit source for many years, very close to the team, so my hope is the prognosis is better than initially feared.

MickMick
02-09-2019, 11:38 AM
Don't count out Jeremy Jones. He was the X factor early in the year, especially against Duke. We still have a rotation of 8 that is as good as any team in the country.

I agree. Tillie is/was a great Zag, but he needed more work to get to where he was. For me, getting Crandall back was equally important.

raise the zag
02-09-2019, 06:49 PM
His time is literally now.

Will Coach Few trust our freshman big in March? We will need him BIG time.

Or should we expect Rui and Clarke to play tight or limit defensive aggression to avoid fouls or fatigue? Or play 40 mins?

A collective gasp and sigh after the 2nd foul call in 1st half, or a 3rd in 2nd half?

Coach Few will need to loosen up on Petrusev's leash the rest of the season.

Get him 20+ mins per game from here on out. If it costs us a few points, say a 20 point win instead of 35, who cares. Get him comfortable, confident, & ready to contribute at the highest level!

GoZags
02-09-2019, 06:56 PM
His time is literally now.

Will Coach Few trust our freshman big in March? We will need him BIG time.

Or should we expect Rui and Clarke to play tight or limit defensive aggression to avoid fouls or fatigue? Or play 40 mins?

A collective gasp and sigh after the 2nd foul call in 1st half, or s 3rd in 2nd half?

Coach Few will need to loosen up on Petrusev's leash the rest of the season.

I'm hopeful that Killian will get some minutes in Las Vegas .... and with the extended break between the WCC tourney and the NCAA tourney he "may" be in position to help with 8-12 mpg for 6 games in the big dance.

Zagceo
02-09-2019, 07:05 PM
DNA gene pool...tough on bigs

Coach Few heartbroken for Killian because he's such a good guy

CDC84
02-09-2019, 07:12 PM
Luckily, Filip is still sharp. This is why I have been pleading for Few to keep playing Filip. That and the possibility of major foul trouble in a NCAA game.

raise the zag
02-09-2019, 07:24 PM
Luckily, Filip is still sharp. This is why I have been pleading for Few to keep playing Filip. That and the possibility of major foul trouble in a NCAA game.

Yes, you did.

Not to mention Tillie's injury history, inability to remain healthy, and preparing for this very moment.

While this is incredibly discouraging, unfortunate news, sadly, it isn't very surprising.

Martin Centre Mad Man
02-09-2019, 09:18 PM
He delivered in this game. Keep it up.

LouisianaZag
02-09-2019, 09:19 PM
And the next man up he was. Great job Filip!!!!!!

Birddog
02-09-2019, 09:22 PM
Filip played 21 mins tonight and clearly demonstrated the benefits of working against Brandon and Rui in practice.

SorenTodd45
02-09-2019, 09:28 PM
Watched every minute of tonight's game (yes I was hammered, but whatever), and Petrov shined like the shining sun. Tillie's injury is the golden chance for Pet to show what he can do. And Pet will deliver in March, I just know it.

GoZags
02-09-2019, 09:29 PM
.... And Pet will deliver in March, I just know it.

And I believe Killian will help win a big game in March ... or perhaps April.

TexasZagFan
02-09-2019, 09:36 PM
And I believe Killian will help win a big game in March ... or perhaps April.

Keep up the positivity! Killian deserves some good luck for a change.

CDC84
02-10-2019, 02:14 AM
The thing about Killian's injury that worries me the most? The possibility of having to face Duke again in the final four. He didn't play in that Maui game. So having him in the rotation and thriving is something new that Coach K and his team would have to prepare for. It would introduce a new wrinkle into a game where there is already familiarity. The other thing is that Killian's ability to shoot it from deep as a 6-10 guy might further exploit one of the major problems Duke had in that game, which was putting a 5 man out there that could defensively deal with GU's 5 man. They ate Bolden alive, and no one off the pine could do anything either. Tillie is a good guy to have in a game vs. Duke. I realize Petrusev can shoot it from deep too, but again, they didn't have to face Tillie, who has more athleticism and experience than Filip.

VinnyZag
02-10-2019, 07:45 AM
I didn't notice any big mistakes on D by Petrusev, either. And on a couple occasions he looked good on that end, walling up in the post and sticking with guards on PNR switches. Encouraging sign.

bartruff1
02-10-2019, 07:52 AM
And I believe Killian will help win a big game in March ... or perhaps April.

I sure hope so....he is a uniquely talented player..

Hoopaholic
02-10-2019, 07:59 AM
Luckily, Filip is still sharp. This is why I have been pleading for Few to keep playing Filip. That and the possibility of major foul trouble in a NCAA game.

luckily??????? he practices every day against two very different and very dynamic big men that is where players are made

he responded well yesterday and will be important to maintain that similar approach

Zagceo
02-10-2019, 08:02 AM
And I believe Killian will help win a big game in March ... or perhaps April.

maybe so....if you read what Petrusev said about Tillie’s return and how it’s help his game..Tillie might have already made impact.

MontanaCoyote
02-10-2019, 10:08 AM
His time is literally now.

Will Coach Few trust our freshman big in March? We will need him BIG time.

Or should we expect Rui and Clarke to play tight or limit defensive aggression to avoid fouls or fatigue? Or play 40 mins?

A collective gasp and sigh after the 2nd foul call in 1st half, or a 3rd in 2nd half?

Coach Few will need to loosen up on Petrusev's leash the rest of the season.

Get him 20+ mins per game from here on out. If it costs us a few points, say a 20 point win instead of 35, who cares. Get him comfortable, confident, & ready to contribute at the highest level!

Exactly! If he’s ready, and I think he will be if he gets your suggested 20+ minutes a game, he has the chance to be a true difference maker at the dance. What’s a difference maker? For me it’s a player that gets you no less than one and possibly more wins at the dance that you wouldn’t have won without him.
I think Petrol could be just that important.

JPtheBeasta
02-10-2019, 10:42 AM
I think Petrusev has the potential to be this team's best on-ball defender against traditional post-up bigs. Rui is strong and is that guy right now. If Petrusev gets tougher his length gives him the ability to challenge shots that Rui can't. Rui can play good, strong positional post defense but a 7 footer can get his shot up over Rui. Clarke is very gifted as a shot blocker, obviously, but it becomes really hard to challenge a shot if his man knows how to throw his body into him because for Clarke it requires jumping to challenge the shot.

Reborn
02-10-2019, 10:54 AM
I feel just as confident with Petrusev coming in off the bench as I do with Tillie coming off the bench. In fact I feel a little more confident. I think the Zags play better with Filip in because Tillie has played so little this year. Tillie has not been shooting well at all this year from the outside, and Petrusev has been. Petrusev did get 11 points against Duke, CDC, and played great, imo. He's really good offensively. As has been said, Jones will play more now, and I definitely feel that that is something very good. I really feel good when Jeremy is in the game.

Go Zags!!!

MDABE80
02-10-2019, 01:02 PM
Good point reborn. Jones is a very very good player! Adds a new slant to our game. Both of these players will carry us a long way while Tills is getting patched up. Jones is so reliable and consistent. Filip looks much improve over the past month.

webspinnre
02-10-2019, 02:24 PM
I think Petrusev has the potential to be this team's best on-ball defender against traditional post-up bigs. Rui is strong and is that guy right now. If Petrusev gets tougher his length gives him the ability to challenge shots that Rui can't. Rui can play good, strong positional post defense but a 7 footer can get his shot up over Rui. Clarke is very gifted as a shot blocker, obviously, but it becomes really hard to challenge a shot if his man knows how to throw his body into him because for Clarke it requires jumping to challenge the shot.

I saw several moments last night where he really bodied up a guy trying to post up. He's not there yet, but I like what I see. Potential for a bit of Przem style defense inside, with more mobility outside.

DixieZag
02-10-2019, 04:01 PM
Good point reborn. Jones is a very very good player! Adds a new slant to our game. Both of these players will carry us a long way while Tills is getting patched up. Jones is so reliable and consistent. Filip looks much improve over the past month.

Someone has to make a movie out of his story, ideally ending in an NCAA championship, even just a FF. He attends a regional final Zag game as an otherwise normal fan, decides he loves what he sees and feels compelled to try to join that team, and then works to actually do everything necessary to realize the dream. And now making the most of it.

The fact that he transferred from Rice means he takes his academics dead seriously, too.

Amazing.

Vanzagger
02-10-2019, 04:22 PM
I’d watch it

JPtheBeasta
02-10-2019, 04:56 PM
I saw several moments last night where he really bodied up a guy trying to post up. He's not there yet, but I like what I see. Potential for a bit of Przem style defense inside, with more mobility outside.

He looks ready to take advantage of the opportunity. Collins looked overwhelmed physically at the beginning of the year, too, and we all know how that ended up.

WallaWallaZag
02-11-2019, 02:05 AM
He looks ready to take advantage of the opportunity. Collins looked overwhelmed physically at the beginning of the year, too, and we all know how that ended up.

petrusev isn't on the same level as collins as an athlete and might not have his motor either, but he is every bit as skilled as collins...maybe even more skilled in certain aspects. he goes to his left better.

CDC84
02-11-2019, 02:40 AM
luckily??????? he practices every day against two very different and very dynamic big men that is where players are made

he responded well yesterday and will be important to maintain that similar approach

Hoop - Practice is not the same as playing in real games with extreme pressure whose outcome desperately matters to people. There are no do overs in a real game as in practice, and real game pressure gets to players who aren't used to it.. Come on man, you know better than that as the knowledgeable basketball person you are. He can practice against the best two players in the NBA at his position everyday, and it's not the same as going under the lights, in front of 18,000 people in a pressure packed NCAA tournament game whose outcome desperately matters to people. If he were to sit too long and not get enough meaningful run in enough games, I am 100% certain, despite these elite practices you talk about (which no doubt help him), that we would see a decline in his game in REAL games. I'd bet a thousand bucks on it. The best possible outcome would have been to have Filip playing more minutes than he was playing since Tillie's return, and have him also practicing against the guys he does. But I firmly believe that the main reason why Filip remains sharp is largely because it wasn't that long ago that he was playing good minutes against great teams in pressured packed situations. And yes, having to go up against Brandon and Rui lessened the length of his inevitable decline, but it doesn't substitute for playing in real games. And I felt he needed more minutes than he was getting while Tillie was healthy or we seriously would see him not perform as well in games if needed due to injury or whatever. The real game environment is so different. The crowds, the pressure, the importance of winning and losing.....it's as essential to remaining sharp as battling great guys in practice. And going 2.5 months with hardly any PT but in garbage time would've made him rusty, not adjusted to game speed, out of game shape, etc. Practice can't give those things to players. Only games. Fortunately it is not an issue now, but I would've rather have seen him get some more meaningful PT with Tillie still being healthy. Few was seriously messing with fire, and I had been warning about it for weeks on this board. Players must have time to apply the lessons taught in practice against players who are half way decent. And it wasn't happening enough with Filip.......until now.

But yes - I am thankful he has those dudes to practice against. It's made him a better player.

Irish_eliZAG
02-11-2019, 03:39 AM
I am pretty sure Filip is used the crowds, he performed in FIBA games, and went to finals where the title game was against Latvian team, at their home. That place was packed, all seats taken and 95% by Latvian fans. Serbia won. I realize it is not the same, but please take that into consideration.

Birddog
02-11-2019, 03:46 AM
Hoop - Practice is not the same as playing in real games with extreme pressure whose outcome desperately matters to people. There are no do overs in a real game as in practice, and real game pressure gets to players who aren't used to it.. Come on man, you know better than that as the knowledgeable basketball person you are. He can practice against the best two players in the NBA at his position everyday, and it's not the same as going under the lights, in front of 18,000 people in a pressure packed NCAA tournament game whose outcome desperately matters to people. If he were to sit too long and not get enough meaningful run in enough games, I am 100% certain, despite these elite practices you talk about (which no doubt help him), that we would see a decline in his game in REAL games. I'd bet a thousand bucks on it. The best possible outcome would have been to have Filip playing more minutes than he was playing since Tillie's return, and have him also practicing against the guys he does. But I firmly believe that the main reason why Filip remains sharp is largely because it wasn't that long ago that he was playing good minutes against great teams in pressured packed situations. And yes, having to go up against Brandon and Rui lessened the length of his inevitable decline, but it doesn't substitute for playing in real games. And I felt he needed more minutes than he was getting while Tillie was healthy or we seriously would see him not perform as well in games if needed due to injury or whatever. The real game environment is so different. The crowds, the pressure, the importance of winning and losing.....it's as essential to remaining sharp as battling great guys in practice. And going 2.5 months with hardly any PT but in garbage time would've made him rusty, not adjusted to game speed, out of game shape, etc. Practice can't give those things to players. Only games. Fortunately it is not an issue now, but I would've rather have seen him get some more meaningful PT with Tillie still being healthy. Few was seriously messing with fire, and I had been warning about it for weeks on this board. Players must have time to apply the lessons taught in practice against players who are half way decent. And it wasn't happening enough with Filip.......until now.

But yes - I am thankful he has those dudes to practice against. It's made him a better player.

CDC, The use of an occasional paragraph would make your post eminently more readable, at least for these old eyes.

jazzdelmar
02-11-2019, 05:23 AM
Petrol was there, on the bench, the whole time.

jazzdelmar
02-11-2019, 05:24 AM
petrusev isn't on the same level as collins as an athlete and might not have his motor either, but he is every bit as skilled as collins...maybe even more skilled in certain aspects. he goes to his left better.

Please, not close.

Hoopaholic
02-11-2019, 06:59 AM
Hoop - Practice is not the same as playing in real games with extreme pressure whose outcome desperately matters to people. There are no do overs in a real game as in practice, and real game pressure gets to players who aren't used to it.. Come on man, you know better than that as the knowledgeable basketball person you are. He can practice against the best two players in the NBA at his position everyday, and it's not the same as going under the lights, in front of 18,000 people in a pressure packed NCAA tournament game whose outcome desperately matters to people. If he were to sit too long and not get enough meaningful run in enough games, I am 100% certain, despite these elite practices you talk about (which no doubt help him), that we would see a decline in his game in REAL games. I'd bet a thousand bucks on it. The best possible outcome would have been to have Filip playing more minutes than he was playing since Tillie's return, and have him also practicing against the guys he does. But I firmly believe that the main reason why Filip remains sharp is largely because it wasn't that long ago that he was playing good minutes against great teams in pressured packed situations. And yes, having to go up against Brandon and Rui lessened the length of his inevitable decline, but it doesn't substitute for playing in real games. And I felt he needed more minutes than he was getting while Tillie was healthy or we seriously would see him not perform as well in games if needed due to injury or whatever. The real game environment is so different. The crowds, the pressure, the importance of winning and losing.....it's as essential to remaining sharp as battling great guys in practice. And going 2.5 months with hardly any PT but in garbage time would've made him rusty, not adjusted to game speed, out of game shape, etc. Practice can't give those things to players. Only games. Fortunately it is not an issue now, but I would've rather have seen him get some more meaningful PT with Tillie still being healthy. Few was seriously messing with fire, and I had been warning about it for weeks on this board. Players must have time to apply the lessons taught in practice against players who are half way decent. And it wasn't happening enough with Filip.......until now.

But yes - I am thankful he has those dudes to practice against. It's made him a better player.

sure didnt look rusty the other day so your theory didnt hold much water for me

GrizZAG
02-11-2019, 07:10 AM
I'm pleased folks are noticing Jeremy's talent and contributions more. Like Reborn, I feel good when he's in the game. He is not flashy and somehow looks half asleep at times but that is part of the intrigue of his persona. In reality he his controlled and safe with the ball and when he sees the opportunity his moves are incredibly fast and strong. On defense I've noticed how tough he is, the football player translates nicely. He's become a key component of this version of the Zags IMO. I trust him.

SorenTodd45
02-11-2019, 07:44 AM
If only we could have had a do-over in time; Tills could have red-shirted this year and Pet would have gotten major playing minutes.

raise the zag
02-11-2019, 07:58 AM
I'm pleased folks are noticing Jeremy's talent and contributions more. Like Reborn, I feel good when he's in the game. He is not flashy and somehow looks half asleep at times but that is part of the intrigue of his persona. In reality he his controlled and safe with the ball and when he sees the opportunity his moves are incredibly fast and strong. On defense I've noticed how tough he is, the football player translates nicely. He's become a key component of this version of the Zags IMO. I trust him.

As you should.

a couple fun stats for Jones this year:

28/42 FG (67%)
20/28 2pt FG (71%)
8/14 3pt FG (57%)
28/36 FT (78%)

25 assists to 10 TO's.

Per 40 mins, he avgs 10 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 apg.

MickMick
02-11-2019, 08:07 AM
Jones and Filip are adequate for relief duty. Jones is especially valuable because of his calm demeanor. I like him in late game situations because he doesn't get rattled. I think this has a ripple effect on his teammates and calms them as well.

There is still room for growth for Kispert. He plays "rushed" at times. He can make plays by being decisive, but occasionally he drives recklessly and can't stop from running into defenders. With a tad more savvy, he could be drawing blocking fouls instead of getting called for charging. Needs to be under more control when driving to the basket.

This is why, in a tight game with under 1 minute to play, I would prefer Jones in the lineup and Kispert not on the floor.

webspinnre
02-11-2019, 10:25 AM
petrusev isn't on the same level as collins as an athlete and might not have his motor either, but he is every bit as skilled as collins...maybe even more skilled in certain aspects. he goes to his left better.

I agree that Collins was much more athletic, but pure athleticism isn't the only way to play post defense. I'm just saying that I saw some nice glimpses of some potential of becoming an above-average post defender.