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Zags_Fanatic
11-09-2018, 09:03 AM
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/four-brigham-young-boosters-gave-extra-benefits-men-s-basketball-student-athlete

willandi
11-09-2018, 09:24 AM
http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/four-brigham-young-boosters-gave-extra-benefits-men-s-basketball-student-athlete

They won't get a win added but should get the loss vacated.

It sucks that schools can get away with this kind of stuff. And BYU has paid a $5000 fine. Whoop de doo! Should be a $5 Million dollar fine into the WCC coffers to help with damage control...or $9 M so a million to each school. It isn't that much money that it would really hurt them, it would just cut down on the likelihood of it happening again. And the boosters should be barred from setting foot on campus, even to attend games.

Zags_Fanatic
11-09-2018, 09:39 AM
Looks like BYU is appealing the vacated wins/records. https://byucougars.com/story/m-basketball/1286974/Media-Response-to-NCAA-Review

kitzbuel
11-09-2018, 09:49 AM
They should have stuck with less offensive violations like fake classes.

RenoZag
11-09-2018, 10:00 AM
Why is Emery going to be allowed back on the court at all ??

DixieZag
11-09-2018, 10:30 AM
Vacating records well after the fact provides far too little penalty that they care about.

Vacating/fining a percentage of overall basketball revenue, and a percentage of each coach's pay - enough to be felt - would ensure that it never happens again.

Jakester425
11-09-2018, 10:38 AM
As much as I dislike BYU, these findings are very "meh" in my eyes.

Seems like there are bigger schools getting away with a whole lot more than some free golf and meals at a country club...

sittingon50
11-09-2018, 10:54 AM
Are we sure we're still talking about Emery?

kitzbuel
11-09-2018, 10:57 AM
Are we sure we're still talking about Emery?

Yes, look at Zags Fanatic's second link: http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?63775-BYU-in-Trouble-Does-this-mean-the-Zags-Officially-went-37-1-in-2016-2017&p=1405498#post1405498

Zagceo
11-09-2018, 11:23 AM
Due to standout guard Nick Emery (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3947125/nick-emery)'s involvement with boosters, BYU must now vacate 47 wins and forfeit a scholarship, the NCAA's committee on infractions announced Friday.


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25226997/ncaa-committee-infractions-says-byu-cougars-vacate-47-wins-lose-scholarship

whatazag
11-09-2018, 11:26 AM
Coaches involved in paying a recruit $100k to get them to come to your school? No problem.
Boosters give inappropriate benefits worth $12k to a student already enrolled? Vacate all wins.

BTW not excusing the rule-breaking that took place at BYU.

RenoZag
11-09-2018, 11:42 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/25226997/ncaa-committee-infractions-says-byu-cougars-vacate-47-wins-lose-scholarship

I hope they lose their appeal

sittingon50
11-09-2018, 11:44 AM
Yes, look at Zags Fanatic's second link: http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?63775-BYU-in-Trouble-Does-this-mean-the-Zags-Officially-went-37-1-in-2016-2017&p=1405498#post1405498

Thanks kitz. Computer here @ work won't let me open the 2nd one, for some reason.

TexasZagFan
11-09-2018, 12:32 PM
I hope they lose their appeal

Judge Judy would give BYU the death penalty.

:lmao:

LongIslandZagFan
11-09-2018, 12:35 PM
So they are cheating and STILL can't dominate the WCC that was supposed to be a cakewalk for them?

seacatfan
11-09-2018, 12:40 PM
Boise St. football program got a slap on the wrist several years ago because some potential recruits that were visiting campus were couch diving with players on the BSU team and they treated them to dinner at Taco Bell or something. Big time cheating. Probably well under $100 involved.

GoZAGsMang
11-09-2018, 12:55 PM
But what does this mean for sPacific?

Sandpointzagsfan
11-09-2018, 12:55 PM
Boise state lost some scholarships for that if I recall.

Boise St. football program got a slap on the wrist several years ago because some potential recruits that were visiting campus were couch diving with players on the BSU team and they treated them to dinner at Taco Bell or something. Big time cheating. Probably well under $100 involved.

gbnyba17
11-09-2018, 01:12 PM
This is so ridiculous. So is it an NCAA violation if a student athletes friend's parent comes to town and takes their son/daughter and said student athlete friend out for dinner? Where do they draw the line with impermissible benefits? Is dinner okay but a that parent can't pay for a golf round? Does it matter if that parent is or isn't a booster for the school?

The NCAA is such a joke. They don't know up from down let alone how to set and enforce a logical set of rules.

TheBunnieRancher
11-09-2018, 01:15 PM
BYU is upset about forfeiting wins because they say their staff & athletic department didn't know anything about what the boosters were doing but the Committee on Infractions weren't buying it because BYU lets their boosters have direct access to players lockers. Go figure.

seacatfan
11-09-2018, 01:42 PM
I know Arizona is tangled up in the middle of the current Adidas/FBI thing. Many years ago they got a slap on the wrist when Bill Walton treated his son Luke and Luke's buddy Richard Jefferson to a Lakers' playoff game. Both were players at UA at the time. Bill could permissibly take his son to the game but not a teammate. Utterly stupid. If you aren't a D1 athlete the parents of your friends can lavish any kind of gifts or treats on you.

GrizZAG
11-09-2018, 02:16 PM
Dirty like Kafooozi.

MileHigh
11-09-2018, 02:31 PM
This is so ridiculous. So is it an NCAA violation if a student athletes friend's parent comes to town and takes their son/daughter and said student athlete friend out for dinner? Where do they draw the line with impermissible benefits? Is dinner okay but a that parent can't pay for a golf round? Does it matter if that parent is or isn't a booster for the school?

The NCAA is such a joke. They don't know up from down let alone how to set and enforce a logical set of rules.

Where they draw the line(and its not a bright one) is that if there is a pre-existing relationship between a booster and a recruit/player then its ok to buy them dinner, give them that high paying summer job, etc. If there isn't a relationship that pre-existed that players recruitment then anything given is an impermissible benefit.

Bogozags
11-09-2018, 02:45 PM
So over the past few year up to now, we have had 30% of our schools on probation!

So if BYU ends up with one loss for the season, they can't go to the Dance/post season tournament this season or after the 2020 season...

So now if the school didn't know about Emery then UA didn't know anything about their big post player so they will also have to vacate games as well as receive two years of probation. So there is a precedent set for UA, USC, UL, Miami, KU - Right?


No, that can't be right as P-5 schools have a different set of rules!!!

zagamatic
11-09-2018, 03:18 PM
This sucks in that it takes wins away from both Karnowski and Perkins, who will likely end up #1 & #2 (in some order) in all-time wins in the ncaa for the foreseeable future.

IowaSERE
11-09-2018, 03:31 PM
This sucks in that it takes wins away from both Karnowski and Perkins, who will likely end up #1 & #2 (in some order) in all-time wins in the ncaa for the foreseeable future.

It doesn't take away a win, only takes away a loss.

TravelinZag
11-09-2018, 03:42 PM
BYU players not receiving impermissible benefits lose wins, but the one player who did commit violations over multiple seasons is allowed to continue his career and his scholarship. What a disgrace! Hope he is thoroughly booed and harassed every place he visits for the entire game. Can’t call a technical on the crowd for verbal harassment or questioning his character.

For that matter, BYU fans should voice their outrage for the disgrace and penalties his petty selfishness cost the school and the program. Where is the vaunted BYU honor code in the face of his larceny? Has he no shame?

bartruff1
11-09-2018, 03:46 PM
They should have stuck with less offensive violations like fake classes.

I haven't read that BYU was involved in this....some alums that should have know better....micky mouse IMO... at North Carolina the fing school was involved for years....

TravelinZag
11-09-2018, 03:58 PM
They won't get a win added but should get the loss vacated.

Does Coach Few get a loss vacated from his record? He should!

KStyles
11-09-2018, 07:12 PM
It doesn't take away a win, only takes away a loss.

I don't believe the penalty impacts any other schools, it's just a penalty for BYU. They vacate their victories, the games as they happened will still be on the NCAA records. Any games where BYU lost still go down as a loss for them (win for the other school), any games where BYU won just have a vacant victor (loss for the other school).

jchocolate99
11-09-2018, 07:41 PM
The whole vacating wins in the NCAA is just stupid IMO... penalize the school with scholarships and not having postseason opportunities.