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LTownZag
08-16-2018, 05:50 PM
What 5 man lineup that played together features GU's best 3point lineup?

Pangos/Bell/Wiltj/?/?

If Filip Petrusev could shoot the 3 at anything close to his high school clip, or of Rui markedly improved, this team might feature lineups with all players a legitimate threat from deep.

Perkins/Norvell/kispert/?/Tillie.

soccerdud
08-16-2018, 05:58 PM
Perkins, nwg, Mathews, Tillie, Collins?

GuZag2012
08-16-2018, 06:29 PM
Id agree Perkins, NWG, Matthews, Tillie and Collins

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GuZag2012
08-16-2018, 07:15 PM
This year we could really put an impressive group of shooters out there if we went a bit small ball with a lineup of

Perkins, Crandall, Norvell Jr, Kispert, Tillie




What 5 man lineup that played together features GU's best 3point lineup?

Pangos/Bell/Wiltj/?/?

If Filip Petrusev could shoot the 3 at anything close to his high school clip, or of Rui markedly improved, this team might feature lineups with all players a legitimate threat from deep.

Perkins/Norvell/kispert/?/Tillie.




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jazzdelmar
08-16-2018, 09:40 PM
To paraphrase JFK, Ammo when he dined alone.

GoZags
08-17-2018, 05:46 AM
I would think any starting 5 of good 3 point shooters would have to include Casey Calvary.

Yes, he was known for his toughness ... his hops ... his rebounding ... his blocked shots ... his dunks ... the shattered backboard, etc but the fact of the matter is during his Gonzaga career Casey launched 200 three pointers and made 41 percent of them (82).

Markburn1
08-17-2018, 06:13 AM
To paraphrase JFK, Ammo when he dined alone.

Classic. Jefferson would have smiled.

Vanzagger
08-17-2018, 08:22 AM
Get the round thing to the bald thing was a great run.

My favorite was the short handed 07 team. With their backs against the wall, whenever we needed a big basket our shooters stepped up. If we only could have gotten Memphis. David Pendergraft shot 6-10 from downtown in the WCC Championship to ensure there would not be a Dance without us

dan71w
08-17-2018, 10:57 AM
Karnowski, he has to be on the team, heck the man was a 100% 3p shooter

maynard g krebs
08-17-2018, 12:43 PM
I would think any starting 5 of good 3 point shooters would have to include Casey Calvary.

Yes, he was known for his toughness ... his hops ... his rebounding ... his blocked shots ... his dunks ... the shattered backboard, etc but the fact of the matter is during his Gonzaga career Casey launched 200 three pointers and made 41 percent of them (82).

One other thing about the Gonzaga legend .... he didn't start a game until his Senior year. He contributed mightily all 4 years but came off the bench as a Freshman, Sophomore and Junior.

According to Wikipedia (and my memory) Calvary was a 3 year starter.

mgadfly
08-17-2018, 10:12 PM
This is a fun summer thread and I gave it some (probably too much) thought. I looked back through the seasons until 2002 (because that's as far as KenPom goes) and made a 5 man shooting lineup with a 6th man if someone was in foul trouble. I tried to make the lineups have a guy that could possibly play center and power forward under Few. So no four or five guard lineups.

If you need a five man that can shoot threes then there are some seasons that didn't really have one (2002, 2003, 2005, 2014 and 2015). But that takes out some of the best three point shooting teams.

Rank in the country (best to worst) for 3P%:
2015 (#9)
2004 (#10)
2009 (#14)
2014 (#18)
2007 (#21)
2002 (#24)
2012 (#31)
2005 (#39)
2016 (#42)
2017 (#42)
2003 (#45)
2013 (#59)
2008 (#70)
2011 (#81)
2018 (#85)
2006 (#107)
2010 (#112)

The 2015 squad could put out a lineup of Pangos, Bell, Dranginis, Wiltjer and Karnowski. Or, if Dranginis played the PF (I disqualified him from the position) you could slide Silas in and Karno out. That season we had Pangos and Wiltjer shooting really well and then Bell's 36.2% on 149 was pretty solid too.

The 2009 team had the best shooting center on the list, by a decent margin if you consider # of attempts and efficiency (for example, Collins had a great percentage, but took 21 threes in his career at GU). Heytvelt had over 50 attempts and connected on better than 40% of them in both 2007 and 2009. In 2009 they also had Daye (42.9% on 84 attempts), Gray, Bouldin and that was the season Pargo hit 35.9% of his 64 attempts. Bouldin could slide to PG and Downs could replace Pargo as well, giving them a sixth quality three point shooter with a decent amount of usage from behind the arc.

2008 could have run a smaller Bouldin, Gray, Pendergraft, Downs, Daye lineup where Bouldin was the worst shooter of the bunch (36.5% on 126 attempts). Pargo killed the team percentage that season by hitting on 26.5% of 83 attempts. Keeping him off the floor would have probably put 2008 in the top 15 or so teams nationally.

In 2007, Raivio (40.9%), Bouldin (36.2%), Pendergraft (48.6%), Downs (43.1% and Heytvelt (until the suspension at 40.4%). After the suspension things would have been tricky because, while Pargo shot well that season (37.3% on 59 attempts) a three-point squad would have had Pendergraft at PF and Downs at C.

2006 could have been a great season. Morrison shot nearly 43% and he wasn't shy about taking them. Downs and PMAC shot well that year too (yeah, PMAC was at 37.7%). But Raivio had a really off season for him and took 162 attempts making just 35.8% of them. Inside, Batista and Mallon combined for only 28 attempts, but they were pretty efficient on those attempts.

In 2005, Morrison was really inefficient and Batista and Turiaf weren't 3-point shooters. Raivio shot nearly 46% but there really weren't five lights-out shooters on the team.

It was the 2002 to 2004 seasons that were most interesting to me. Whenever you can start with Stepp-Bankhead-Skinner or Dickau-Bankhead-Stepp, you have a good shot at putting together a great three point shooting team. But those early teams relied on bigs that didn't really shoot much (or that well) from outside. So while Bankhead shot a (#2 Nationally) 54.7% one season, there were really only three guys that were shooters that contributed.

After looking at them, I think 2009 is the team that could really put five (and six if they'd let them play with an extra guy) players on the court, appropriately fill the positions, and have everyone be able to fire away from long range. Heytvelt, Daye, and Downs provided the versatility of having bigs that could space the court and shoot. There are other five-man teams that shot as well, but that was because one of them wasn't foolish enough to even try shooting from outside.

GoZags
08-18-2018, 04:12 AM
According to Wikipedia (and my memory) Calvary was a 3 year starter.

I'll plead temporary coma ... thanks for the correction.