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GoZags
04-02-2018, 04:59 AM
The Zags are in the middle of a few awesome streaks/achievements. Which do you find the most impressive?

1. The entire list of NCAA D1 schools (out of 351) who have made it to the Sweet 16 and beyond the past 4 seasons: Gonzaga

2. The entire list of NCAA D1 schools (out of 351) who have one at least one game in the dance the past 10 seasons: Kansas, Gonzaga

3. The entire list of NCAA D1 schools (out of 351) who have made it to the dance the past 20 seasons: Duke, Kansas, Michigan State Gonzaga

4. Over the past 20 years, a grand total of 6 players have achieved the "Bill Walton Double/Double" (Top 5 Academic All American and Top 5 All American in the same season). Walton did it three times. Here is the list: Shane Battier - Duke (2001) Dan Dickau - Gonzaga (2002) Emeka Okafor - UConn (2004) D.J. Augustine - Texas (2008) Kelly Olynyk - Gonzaga (2013) Nigel Williams-Goss - Gonzaga (2017) Thus .... half of these guys are Zags.

Birddog
04-02-2018, 05:21 AM
Those are really tough choices. It is a little like saying "pick your favorite child", I went with the double AA's. Do you feed this stuff to the announcers before each game? You are like our very own SID on this site, thanks for that.

GoZags
04-02-2018, 05:26 AM
I "could" have change the verbiage to "which of these are you most 'proud' of"?

I went with the All Americans as well.

Interesting side note .... in their history Gonzaga Basketball has had a total of 16 Academic All Americans (1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team) including one Academic All American of the year (Jeff Brown).

OTOH, the University of Washington has had a Grand Total of 1 (one). That was Nigel Williams-Goss when he made 3rd team as a soph. 16 to 1. Kinda like our recent winning record against the Huskies.

Ekrub
04-02-2018, 06:09 AM
Keep pumping out those double AAs and those other achievements will follow

GeorgiaZagFan
04-02-2018, 07:50 AM
..as a basketball team I believe the 4 straight S16 and beyond is very impressive...as a complete program the AA achievements are equally as impressive...

bigblahla
04-02-2018, 08:39 AM
The Zags are in the middle of a few awesome streaks/achievements. Which do you find the most impressive?

1. The entire list of NCAA D1 schools (out of 351) who have made it to the Sweet 16 and beyond the past 4 seasons: Gonzaga

2. The entire list of NCAA D1 schools (out of 351) who have one at least one game in the dance the past 10 seasons: Kansas, Gonzaga

3. The entire list of NCAA D1 schools (out of 351) who have made it to the dance the past 20 seasons: Duke, Kansas, Michigan State Gonzaga

4. Over the past 20 years, a grand total of 6 players have achieved the "Bill Walton Double/Double" (Top 5 Academic All American and Top 5 All American in the same season). Walton did it three times. Here is the list: Shane Battier - Duke (2001) Dan Dickau - Gonzaga (2002) Emeka Okafor - UConn (2004) D.J. Augustine - Texas (2008) Kelly Olynyk - Gonzaga (2013) Nigel Williams-Goss - Gonzaga (2017) Thus .... half of these guys are Zags.

Nice GZ....I choose the invisible number 5. All of the above...;)

Go!! Zags!!!

Coach Crazy
04-02-2018, 09:49 AM
Care 0% about the Academic AA's. The 4 Sweet 16's is a testament to the rise of this program, and it bolsters the 20-year appearance streak.

JPtheBeasta
04-02-2018, 11:02 AM
Care 0% about the Academic AA's. The 4 Sweet 16's is a testament to the rise of this program, and it bolsters the 20-year appearance streak.

You care 0% about academics? That seems very un-coach-like.

gueastcoast
04-02-2018, 11:35 AM
I care about all of them, but the Academic AAs with straight AAs statistic is truly special/differentiating...unless and until they start paying the kids, colleges (and fans) should take the "student athlete" concept seriously.

That's the Gonzaga I attended and continue to serve.

rennis
04-02-2018, 11:44 AM
Q: How many Bill Walton Double Doubles does the MWC have?

A: No less than they did before.


hahahahahahaa

SWZag
04-02-2018, 11:52 AM
When a student athlete succeeds and receives awards for their studies, that should take precedents over all else. One admirable thing about GU is not just putting together a basketball team, volleyball team, baseball team or cross-country team,, but giving young student athletes the necessary tools to get a great education and be successful in life after sports.

Martin Centre Mad Man
04-02-2018, 11:58 AM
I "could" have change the verbiage to "which of these are you most 'proud' of"?

I went with the All Americans as well.

Interesting side note .... in their history Gonzaga Basketball has had a total of 16 Academic All Americans (1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team) including one Academic All American of the year (Jeff Brown).

OTOH, the University of Washington has had a Grand Total of 1 (one). That was Nigel Williams-Goss when he made 3rd team as a soph. 16 to 1. Kinda like our recent winning record against the Huskies.

We’ve had three impressive Academic All-Americans transfer in from UW. Jeff Brown and Dan Dickau also selected the GU upgrade after loitering in Seattle for a season or two.

Martin Centre Mad Man
04-02-2018, 12:05 PM
I think the most impressive achievement of all is the athletic department’s collective graduation rate, which is currently tied for best in the nation.

https://www.gonzaga.edu/news-events/stories/2017/11/9/zags-top-nation-in-graduation-success-rate

former1dog
04-02-2018, 12:23 PM
Academic excellence by our student athletes is a shared cultural value across the athletics department and a tremendous amount of resources ($money) is dedicated towards that excellence.

Frankly, I think it has become much more important part of the culture since I've been there. Academic excellence at Gonzaga in general has increased as the enrollment demand has increased. The academic resumes of prospective students across the board are starting to rival top private schools across the west.

Mantua
04-02-2018, 12:37 PM
Academic excellence by our student athletes is a shared cultural value across the athletics department and a tremendous amount of resources ($money) is dedicated towards that excellence.

Frankly, I think it has become much more important part of the culture since I've been there. Academic excellence at Gonzaga in general has increased as the enrollment demand has increased. The academic resumes of prospective students across the board are starting to rival top private schools across the west.

Most college basketball players don’t go pro so most players are in school primarily for academics. I picked #4.

Norwester
04-02-2018, 12:41 PM
Care 0% about the Academic AA's.

This puts you at odds with the University President, the Athletic Director, the coaching staff, the athletic department staff, the board of trustees, major donors, and most Zags.

SWZag
04-02-2018, 01:14 PM
I think the most impressive achievement of all is the athletic department’s collective graduation rate, which is currently tied for best in the nation.

https://www.gonzaga.edu/news-events/stories/2017/11/9/zags-top-nation-in-graduation-success-rate

Outstanding!! Thanks for the article, I was looking for that.

The NCAA Graduation Success Rate tracks degree completion for student-athletes, even those who transfer. Some data from the NCAA in terms of Graduation Success Rates (GSR) (overall - all sports) for Western Conferences:


* WCC Schools in Blue

Top in the West (Overall GSR):
School: Overall GSR
1) Gonzaga: 99
2t) Portland: 97
2t) Stanford: 97
4) Seattle: 95
5) LMU: 92
6t) Saint Mary’s: 91
6t) Santa Clara: 91
6t) Utah State: 91
9t) San Diego: 90
9t) Utah: 90

Top in the West (Men’s Basketball GSR):
School: Men’s Basketball GSR
1t) Gonzaga: 100
1t) Santa Clara: 100
1t) Northern Arizona: 100
1t) Stanford: 100
1t) Arizona: 100
1t) Utah: 100
7) Seattle: 95
8t) Portland: 93
8t) Colorado State: 93
8t) Arizona State: 93


By Conference:
West Coast Conference:
School: Overall GSR, Basketball GSR
- Gonzaga: 99, 100
- Portland: 97, 93
- LMU: 92, 77
- Santa Clara: 91, 100
- Saint Mary’s: 91, 81
- San Diego: 90, 64
- Pacific: 89, 89
- Pepperdine: 89, 77
- San Francisco: 87, 45
- BYU: 78, 67

Mountain West Conference:
- Utah State: 91, 78
- Air Force: 88, 79
- Boise State: 87, 86
- Colorado State: 84, 93
- Wyoming: 82, 71
- Nevada: 81, 73
- Fresno State: 81, 73
- New Mexico: 80, 85
- San Jose State: 80, 33
- San Diego State: 79, 50
- UNLV: 76, 75

Pac-12 Conference:
- Stanford: 97, 100
- Utah: 90, 100
- Colorado: 88, 85
- Arizona State: 87, 93
- Washington: 86, 92
- USC: 86, 50
- UCLA: 86, 44
- Arizona: 84, 100
- Cal: 81, 50
- Oregon: 81, 38
- Washington State: 80, 59
- Oregon State: 78, 67

Western Athletic Conference:
- Seattle: 95, 95
- Missouri - Kansas City: 88, 76
- Texas - Rio Grande Valley: 78, 77
- Grand Canyon University: 78, 71
- Cal State - Bakersfield: 75, 87
- New Mexico State: 75, 60
- Utah Valley: 74, 67
- Chicago State: 73, 59

Big West Conference:
- UC - Irvine: 88, 83
- UC - Davis: 87, 69
- Long Beach State: 86, 86
- Hawaii: 85, 64
- UC - Santa Barbara: 83, 56
- Cal Poly - San Luis Obispo: 80, 75
- Cal State - Northridge: 79, 71
- UC - Riverside: 78, 59
- Cal State - Fullerton: 76, 75

Big Sky Conference:
- Northern Colorado: 86, 73
- Northern Arizona: 85, 100
- North Dakota: 83, 79
- Montana State: 83, 57
- Idaho State: 81, 86
- Montana: 80, 82
- Southern Utah: 80, 70
- Eastern Washington: 78, 75
- Weber State: 77, 91
- Sacramento State: 77, 86
- Idaho: 75, 78
- Portland State: 74, 81

jazzdelmar
04-02-2018, 03:06 PM
Given the conference, the 20 years dancing is least impressive. The academic all Americans belongs in its own category as Spy would concede. The 10 opening wins is nice but again GU generally gets high seeds due in part to the weak conference. The 3 straight S16s is dynamite. Isn’t it 4 straight? The KW layup to Dook, the dream season w the Josh floater, the Collins fiasco and this year? No? That’s E8, S16 to Cuse, THE NC and to the FSU thugs?

Ed: Scratch all that. I counted one too few “backs.” Three straight E8s would have been nice, too.

jazzdelmar
04-02-2018, 03:11 PM
You care 0% about academics? That seems very un-coach-like.

He just plays one on this board.

jazzdelmar
04-02-2018, 03:12 PM
Q: How many Bill Walton Double Doubles does the MWC have?

A: No less than they did before.


hahahahahahaa

QED.

gonzagafan62
04-02-2018, 03:32 PM
Care 0% about the Academic AA's. The 4 Sweet 16's is a testament to the rise of this program, and it bolsters the 20-year appearance streak.

Huh??????

surfmonkey89
04-02-2018, 03:45 PM
This puts you at odds with the University President, the Athletic Director, the coaching staff, the athletic department staff, the board of trustees, major donors, and most Zags.

It's also the attitude of big money boosters at major universities, that ends up in sanctions. Thankfully, our administration doesn't abide.

DixieZag
04-02-2018, 04:13 PM
The fact that you can do all the team has done w/ the academic accolades (including graduation rate) is phenomenal, so it is hard to hear of one without thinking of the other.

Jazz rightly points to it being easier bc of the conference to get the 20 straight, that's just truth. But, the easier conference in basketball wasn't as easy a conference w/ respect to academics, and we've all seen that teams can essentially hire mercenaries that have no interest in going to class, never mind graduating. I also am not sure I am buying that we got higher seeds bc of the easier conference, not sure about that over the course of the last 10 years. It's worth looking at, just not sure.

I always thought the 10 straight first game wins was the most impressive, and appreciate it even more after this year. :) But, 4 straight Sweet Sixteens or better, while graduating our players with the same core all of us took, that has likely displaced the 10 year thing.

Great thread, GZ.

Hoopaholic
04-02-2018, 05:17 PM
The fact that you can do all the team has done w/ the academic accolades (including graduation rate) is phenomenal, so it is hard to hear of one without thinking of the other.

Jazz rightly points to it being easier bc of the conference to get the 20 straight, that's just truth. But, the easier conference in basketball wasn't as easy a conference w/ respect to academics, and we've all seen that teams can essentially hire mercenaries that have no interest in going to class, never mind graduating. I also am not sure I am buying that we got higher seeds bc of the easier conference, not sure about that over the course of the last 10 years. It's worth looking at, just not sure.

I always thought the 10 straight first game wins was the most impressive, and appreciate it even more after this year. :) But, 4 straight Sweet Sixteens or better, while graduating our players with the same core all of us took, that has likely displaced the 10 year thing.

Great thread, GZ.

So jazz and Dixie if it is so easy because of a league affiliation why has no other team in the many many lesser leagues done it yet or even say 6 in row?

Coach Crazy
04-02-2018, 05:21 PM
So jazz and Dixie if it is so easy because of a league affiliation why has no other team in the many many lesser leagues done it yet or even say 6 in row?

It's not easy, even in lesser leagues. People don't like admitting this, but lesser leagues also come with lesser econsystem's with regard to the talent of personnel, players, and the quality of economics. And when you do find the diamonds in the rough, they tend to move upward more and more these days. Inconsistency is far more likely when the variables are that shaky. Few and Co. have been able to battle against that current and find success where no other program in their position has.

RenoZag
04-02-2018, 06:16 PM
I voted for the 20 consecutive years of NCAA tourney appearances. There were a few seasons when the Zags had their backs against the wall and managed to go dancing.

IMG should put out a new DVD and call it "Two Decades of Excellence."

The other choices in the poll are also noteworthy. If someone wants to diss the academic achievements, that's their right.

23dpg
04-02-2018, 06:31 PM
Four great options but I went with 10 straight NCAA wins.

A few of those were against better seeds but it also helped get rid of the bs argument that the Zags underperformed in the tourney. Every other schools except Kansas has either missed the tourney or lost a first round game in that span. And the Jayhawks have been given 1 or 2 seeds in all but one of those years as memory serves.

raise the zag
04-02-2018, 06:31 PM
Few was quoted and said himself...he is most impressed with winning at least one game for 10 straight years.

I'm going with that...

He said its just so darn hard to win games in March.

He also said the 20 consecutive appearances is what he is most "proud of".

So...he felt the 10 straight years of winning at least one game was most impressive, yet most proud of the 20 straight appearances.

TexasZagFan
04-02-2018, 11:25 PM
Four great options but I went with 10 straight NCAA wins.

A few of those were against better seeds but it also helped get rid of the bs argument that the Zags underperformed in the tourney. Every other schools except Kansas has either missed the tourney or lost a first round game in that span. And the Jayhawks have been given 1 or 2 seeds in all but one of those years as memory serves.

I didn't vote, because they're all great options. Bill Walton's 3 years as an academic AA stands out with me as a notable accomplishment.

Bing
04-03-2018, 03:39 AM
I didn't vote, because they're all great options. Bill Walton's 3 years as an academic AA stands out with me as a notable accomplishment.

Walton's accomplishments (3x) were remarkable as evidenced by the fact that only six guys have done it in the last 20 years. That three of those six are Zags is phenomenal, and is the reason I voted it as most impressive. But I would have voted "All of the above" including grad rates if it had been an option.

DixieZag
04-03-2018, 04:24 AM
So jazz and Dixie if it is so easy because of a league affiliation why has no other team in the many many lesser leagues done it yet or say 6 in row?

Check your reading comp, we are comparing the 20 straight to the other remarkable accomplishments, as in "easier" (than the other 4), I did not use the word "easy," nor did I state that I believe we got higher seeds bc of the conference, additionally I noted that those 20 came with a team from a school with rigorous academics that made it harder than schools that don't have as rigorous academics.

Neither one of us said it was "easy" to make 20 straight tournaments because of our conference. You twisted words to suit your challenge.

jazzdelmar
04-03-2018, 04:51 AM
Check your reading comp, we are comparing the 20 straight to the other remarkable accomplishments, as in "easier" (than the other 4), I did not use the word "easy," nor did I state that I believe we got higher seeds bc of the conference, additionally I noted that those 20 came with a team from a school with rigorous academics that made it harder than schools that don't have as rigorous academics.

Neither one of us said it was "easy" to make 20 straight tournaments because of our conference. You twisted words to suit your challenge.

Yes, thanks Prof. Dix. The operative term was "easiest," as in among the options proffered. As I put it, "Given the conference, the 20 years dancing is least impressive."

Zagger
04-03-2018, 06:28 AM
I voted for the 4 Sweets in a row. I would have voted for "Half of the Top 5 Academic All Americans/Basketball All Americans are Zags" but the math in me this AM couldn't crunch half of 5 :)

Kemo 1966
04-03-2018, 07:33 AM
Outstanding!! Thanks for the article, I was looking for that.

The NCAA Graduation Success Rate tracks degree completion for student-athletes, even those who transfer. Some data from the NCAA in terms of Graduation Success Rates (GSR) (overall - all sports) for Western Conferences:


* WCC Schools in Blue

Top in the West (Overall GSR):
School: Overall GSR
1) Gonzaga: 99
2t) Portland: 97
2t) Stanford: 97
4) Seattle: 95
5) LMU: 92
6t) Saint Maryís: 91
6t) Santa Clara: 91
6t) Utah State: 91
9t) San Diego: 90
9t) Utah: 90

Top in the West (Menís Basketball GSR):
School: Menís Basketball GSR
1t) Gonzaga: 100
1t) Santa Clara: 100
1t) Northern Arizona: 100
1t) Stanford: 100
1t) Arizona: 100
1t) Utah: 100
7) Seattle: 95
8t) Portland: 93
8t) Colorado State: 93
8t) Arizona State: 93


By Conference:
West Coast Conference:
School: Overall GSR, Basketball GSR
- Gonzaga: 99, 100
- Portland: 97, 93
- LMU: 92, 77
- Santa Clara: 91, 100
- Saint Maryís: 91, 81
- San Diego: 90, 64
- Pacific: 89, 89
- Pepperdine: 89, 77
- San Francisco: 87, 45
- BYU: 78, 67

Mountain West Conference:
- Utah State: 91, 78
- Air Force: 88, 79
- Boise State: 87, 86
- Colorado State: 84, 93
- Wyoming: 82, 71
- Nevada: 81, 73
- Fresno State: 81, 73
- New Mexico: 80, 85
- San Jose State: 80, 33
- San Diego State: 79, 50
- UNLV: 76, 75

Pac-12 Conference:
- Stanford: 97, 100
- Utah: 90, 100
- Colorado: 88, 85
- Arizona State: 87, 93
- Washington: 86, 92
- USC: 86, 50
- UCLA: 86, 44
- Arizona: 84, 100
- Cal: 81, 50
- Oregon: 81, 38
- Washington State: 80, 59
- Oregon State: 78, 67

Western Athletic Conference:
- Seattle: 95, 95
- Missouri - Kansas City: 88, 76
- Texas - Rio Grande Valley: 78, 77
- Grand Canyon University: 78, 71
- Cal State - Bakersfield: 75, 87
- New Mexico State: 75, 60
- Utah Valley: 74, 67
- Chicago State: 73, 59

Big West Conference:
- UC - Irvine: 88, 83
- UC - Davis: 87, 69
- Long Beach State: 86, 86
- Hawaii: 85, 64
- UC - Santa Barbara: 83, 56
- Cal Poly - San Luis Obispo: 80, 75
- Cal State - Northridge: 79, 71
- UC - Riverside: 78, 59
- Cal State - Fullerton: 76, 75

Big Sky Conference:
- Northern Colorado: 86, 73
- Northern Arizona: 85, 100
- North Dakota: 83, 79
- Montana State: 83, 57
- Idaho State: 81, 86
- Montana: 80, 82
- Southern Utah: 80, 70
- Eastern Washington: 78, 75
- Weber State: 77, 91
- Sacramento State: 77, 86
- Idaho: 75, 78
- Portland State: 74, 81

SO MAY I ASK: How does moving to the MWC 'improve your quality of education' ?????? appears that the MWC is sub-standard when it comes to this statistic????

EEzag
04-03-2018, 03:38 PM
SO MAY I ASK: How does moving to the MWC 'improve your quality of education' ?????? appears that the MWC is sub-standard when it comes to this statistic????

IT's not just 4 sweet 16s, there is a Nat Champ runner up and an EE in there as well.

MyZags
04-03-2018, 06:21 PM
As a former student athlete I know the juggling act these players face. Kudos to the success they are building in both arenas. I did vote for the All-Americans because that is what Gonzaga should remain, first and foremost, a beacon of higher learning. As much as I love the success on court, it is secondary. Once there is a higher emphasis on basketball first we are doing a disservice to the young men that come to our institution.

ZagMan in Philly
04-03-2018, 08:14 PM
The last five years have been pretty good among the Elites



Villanova: 165-21 (2 titles, 2 Final Fours)
Gonzaga: 161-25 (1 Final Four)
Kentucky: 152-38 (1 Final Four)
Kansas: 147-37 (1 Final Four)
Duke: 143-41 (1 title, 1 Final Four)
North Carolina: 142-47 (1 title, 2 Final Fours)

ZagsObserver
04-03-2018, 08:27 PM
Jazz, I’ll challenge by saying that given the conference it is, in fact, the toughest of the four accomplishments. Recruiting top talent for that long, without any significant rebuilding years, in a conference that does not appeal to top recruits is amazing. It’s inprecedented. Winning 10 first round games is a close second.

Since we rarely even hear about the 4th accomplishment in the poll, and since only the rabid sports fan from other universities would hold this knowledge, this one has to be last even though we can be proud of it as a university.

willandi
04-04-2018, 06:24 AM
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