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Zagdawg
03-26-2018, 12:27 PM
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Since obtaining his release from Pitt, PG Marcus Carr is hearing from these schools:

Texas
Cincy
Minnesota
Iowa State
Gonzaga
Xavier
UMass
Akron
Ohio state


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278014/marcus-carr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOgv_ZsgoiA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb98MlZgVeo

thespywhozaggedme
03-26-2018, 12:30 PM
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Since obtaining his release from Pitt, PG Marcus Carr is hearing from these schools:

Texas
Cincy
Minnesota
Iowa State
Gonzaga
Xavier
UMass
Akron
Ohio state


http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278014/marcus-carr

Already discussed here:

http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?62838-what-about-grad-transfers-next-year

none are grad transfers though, they all have to sit out a year. Marcus Carr, their freshman Canadian pg is definitely worth a hard look though.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...14/marcus-carr

raise the zag
03-26-2018, 12:52 PM
Big fan of Marcus Carr. Love his tenacity, quickness, and game.

Vertically challenged. Probably closer to 5'11", but plays big.

The way he plays, fearless, and tough is precisely what this team needs in a PG, especially when they play teams like West Virginia, Florida St, etc. The team who try to pressure, bully, and play physical.

Gonzaga kinda sticks out amongst the other schools, and more like a sore thumb given the proximity to his home, and other schools.

thebigsmoove
03-26-2018, 12:57 PM
I would not at all be upset if we were able to get Marcus Carr instead of say Brandon Williams. Marcus would be a fantastic guard for us.

thebigsmoove
03-26-2018, 01:02 PM
Freshman highlights at Pitt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDKGxn6q5Dw

Interesting piece is he went to Montverde. Same place as Filip Petrusev and Andrew Nembhard. Both of which we recruited heavily.

Hes also half brother of Duane Notice from the South Carolina final four team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGeWFW5CNdo

thespywhozaggedme
03-26-2018, 01:09 PM
Freshman highlights at Pitt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDKGxn6q5Dw

Interesting piece is he went to Montverde. Same place as Filip Petrusev and Andrew Nembhard. Both of which we recruited heavily.

Hes also half brother of Duane Notice from the South Carolina final four team:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGeWFW5CNdo

Who was best friend with Kevin Pangos and desperately wanted to be a Zag.

Goshzagit
03-26-2018, 01:24 PM
Gotta think Cincy the favorite to land Carr. Kinda suits his style of play too.

Marcus was high on them out of HS, and they have reached out to him again.

hooter73
03-26-2018, 01:31 PM
His stats are kind of all over the place, which is normal for a freshman. Good game minutes, averaged 10pts and 4 assists but 30% for threes and a 50% turnover to assist ratio.

Ezag
03-26-2018, 01:36 PM
His stats are all over the place, not sure he did much to help his team win. Albeit a freshman but he only had 8pts against a loss to Montana along with 5 TOs. Pitt was blown out in many of their losses; many by 20+pts - No wonder he wants out

Worthington
03-26-2018, 01:40 PM
I would pass on Carr personally. Averaged 8.8 PPG on 33.5 FG%, 4 APG, 2.7 RPG in ACC play on a winless Pittsburgh team. Undersized and not a great shooter. I don't see it.

raise the zag
03-26-2018, 02:28 PM
His stats are all over the place, not sure he did much to help his team win. Albeit a freshman but he only had 8pts against a loss to Montana along with 5 TOs. Pitt was blown out in many of their losses; many by 20+pts - No wonder he wants out


I would pass on Carr personally. Averaged 8.8 PPG on 33.5 FG%, 4 APG, 2.7 RPG in ACC play on a winless Pittsburgh team. Undersized and not a great shooter. I don't see it.

Understand the concern, yet the kid can play.

Remember, he would sit out an entire season learning GU's system, skills, & development.

He has skills to work with, very inexperienced going from Canada to D1 PG as a true freshman on a bad team.

He would be worth a flier, imo.

Although, unlikely he ever steps foot on GU campus.

Says it all we have shown interest, along with many other Top tier schools. There is something there...something to work with...

doctorzag
03-26-2018, 03:13 PM
I would pass on Carr personally. Averaged 8.8 PPG on 33.5 FG%, 4 APG, 2.7 RPG in ACC play on a winless Pittsburgh team. Undersized and not a great shooter. I don't see it.

Agreed. We can do much better than Marcus Carr.

thespywhozaggedme
03-26-2018, 03:45 PM
Understand the concern, yet the kid can play.

Remember, he would sit out an entire season learning GU's system, skills, & development.

He has skills to work with, very inexperienced going from Canada to D1 PG as a true freshman on a bad team.

He would be worth a flier, imo.

Although, unlikely he ever steps foot on GU campus.

Says it all we have shown interest, along with many other Top tier schools. There is something there...something to work with...

Like most top Canadian highschool basketball players, he played in the states; Monteverde Academy.

cggonzaga
03-26-2018, 04:33 PM
I would not at all be upset if we were able to get Marcus Carr instead of say Brandon Williams. Marcus would be a fantastic guard for us.

Why? Can’t be talent level.

zagsfanforlife
03-27-2018, 02:35 PM
Malachi Flynn from Wazzou is transferring... now THAT would be a big get. Would sit out one and develop even more.. in 19-20 would be even more of a stud than currently is.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066668/malachi-flynn

jazzdelmar
03-27-2018, 02:44 PM
Why the desperation? Geez.

Vanzagger
03-27-2018, 03:13 PM
Transferring. He was given the keys. I’m not sure what he is looking for.

http://www.krem.com/article/sports/ncaa/wsu/wsu-guard-malachi-flynn-to-transfer-from-school/293-532613323

OntZags
03-27-2018, 03:14 PM
Why the desperation? Geez.

How so? He was simply pointing out a talented guy transferring.

I'll admit I watched all of 1 Washington St. game this season (versus SMC) but he looked like a beast in that game. Other than 3pt%, all the numbers look very nice. And some of that % is definitely due to volume and probably being the guy stuck with the ball at the end of the shot clock in a poor offense. The year before he was a lot better.

Certainly worth a look.

Bouldin4Prez
03-27-2018, 03:19 PM
Transferring. He was given the keys. I’m not sure what he is looking for.

The same thing NWG was looking for when he decided to transfer?

seacatfan
03-27-2018, 03:31 PM
Geez, Flynn transferring, Franks declared for the Draft (although not signing an agent I think). Ernie can't last much longer over there. I've said it before, it's REALLY hard to win in Pullman. They'll probably never see a coach of Bennett's caliber there again. Poor Cougs, it's tough being the armpit of the Pac 12.

Vanzagger
03-27-2018, 03:32 PM
The same thing NWG was looking for when he decided to transfer?

It worked out for NWG. We were going to be really good with or without him. And we made room. If Malichi can get that I think it’s wonderful.

peg645
03-27-2018, 03:41 PM
Wondering if we have any interest in Michael Finke, grad transfer from Illinois. He isn't a super talent - but I think had a double digit scoring average his last two years, didn't get as much playing time this year with new coach Underwood, gritty player, and never stopped playing/trying. Good rebounder. Father was a super Illini FB player and the family is rooted in Champaign. Given that, I was surprised he is transferring, but maybe there is no PT for him next year. I think he is the fourth Illini transfer since the season ended.

sittingon50
03-27-2018, 03:42 PM
(from the PEP board):

Any info on this guy?

https://247sports.com/college/pepperdine/Board/102450/Contents/Armond-Davis-receives-offer-from-Pepperdine-116563653

Mr Vulture
03-27-2018, 03:57 PM
From what I've heard, sounds like entire starting five is gone or going from WSU. Franks declared, Bernstine graduated, Flynn transferring, Daniels rumored transfer, and Accquah rumored transfer. Only one that would fit with us is Flynn and up take him for sure.

MDABE80
03-27-2018, 04:07 PM
I wouldn't underestimate Flynn. Great player, good shooter, good defense and tons of speed. he doesn't belong in that system but he'd do fine at GU. At 6 1 he's a bit undersized but he makes u for it in speed and shooting. A Bellarmine product. AP Player of the year ( for all classes) and 4A POY. He's good. West to WSU because of the family tradition. His bro was 3 times NCAA outdoor hurdles champion.

thespywhozaggedme
03-27-2018, 04:15 PM
(from the PEP board):

Any info on this guy?

https://247sports.com/college/pepperdine/Board/102450/Contents/Armond-Davis-receives-offer-from-Pepperdine-116563653

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066239/armond-davis

draw your own conclusions

sittingon50
03-27-2018, 05:40 PM
Thanks spy, should have looked up the details. All I saw on the PEP Board was 6'6" from Tacoma.

thespywhozaggedme
03-27-2018, 06:08 PM
Thanks spy, should have looked up the details. All I saw on the PEP Board was 6'6" from Tacoma.

No problem.

thespywhozaggedme
03-27-2018, 06:10 PM
Malachi Flynn from Wazzou is transferring... now THAT would be a big get. Would sit out one and develop even more.. in 19-20 would be even more of a stud than currently is.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066668/malachi-flynn

Did we offer him outta high school? Could be NWG v 2.0, no?

raise the zag
03-27-2018, 06:49 PM
Malachi Flynn from Wazzou is transferring... now THAT would be a big get. Would sit out one and develop even more.. in 19-20 would be even more of a stud than currently is.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066668/malachi-flynn

He was headed to Pacific until Coaching change was made...and WSU snatched him up.

Romar hired his old coach via Pacific.

Could honestly see a connection here. Or a potential landing spot.

Malachi wasn't really offered many schollies outta HS, even tho he was Washinton POY.

If I recall, Pacific was his best D1 offer, and Gonzaga didn't give him a sniff...

Romar may reel him in.

thespywhozaggedme
03-27-2018, 07:51 PM
He was headed to Pacific until Coaching change was made...and WSU snatched him up.

Romar hired his old coach via Pacific.

Could honestly see a connection here. Or a potential landing spot.

Malachi wasn't really offered many schollies outta HS, even tho he was Washinton POY.

If I recall, Pacific was his best D1 offer, and Gonzaga didn't give him a sniff...

Romar may reel him in.

Why would he transfer from Wazzu to Pepperdine? There are very few downgrades from Wazzu basketball wise, but Pepperdine is one of them.

Goshzagit
03-27-2018, 08:15 PM
I always wonder how 'local' kids like this are overlooked, yet others are given scholarship offers no questions asked.


Malachi compiled 1,625 career points, ranking second in school history…finished second in Bellarmine Prep history for career steals…as a SENIOR, averaged 29.7 points per game, while shooting .480 from the field and .880 from the free throw line…added 6.0 rebounds and 4.0 assists per game…his 743 points in his final year set a Bellarmine Prep single-season scoring record, breaking the mark set by current NBA player, Avery Bradley.

Breaks Avery Bradley scoring record and only D1 offer was Pacific. Ernie Kent basically swooped in and grabbed him late in the game after Pacific fired their Coach.

thespywhozaggedme
03-27-2018, 08:23 PM
I always wonder how 'local' kids like this are overlooked, yet others are given scholarship offers no questions asked.



Breaks Avery Bradley scoring record and only D1 offer was Pacific. Ernie Kent basically swooped in and grabbed him late in the game after Pacific fired their Coach.

Wow, those are crazy good numbers. Jeremy Lin is another one, was the bay area high school player of the year his senior year and not one school offered him except Harvard,

Radbooks
03-27-2018, 08:28 PM
I always wonder how 'local' kids like this are overlooked, yet others are given scholarship offers no questions asked.



Breaks Avery Bradley scoring record and only D1 offer was Pacific. Ernie Kent basically swooped in and grabbed him late in the game after Pacific fired their Coach.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. 'No questions asked'?? What does that even mean? Who are they supposed to ask? I've heard here on the board that they talk to the current team members about different players and if they think a potential new player would be a good fit. Seems to work pretty well.

Goshzagit
03-27-2018, 08:39 PM
Not sure what you are trying to say here. 'No questions asked'?? What does that even mean? Who are they supposed to ask? I've heard here on the board that they talk to the current team members about different players and if they think a potential new player would be a good fit. Seems to work pretty well.

Just curious is all. No agenda. For instance, why Wade over Malachi? Utah over local Washington kid. Similar #'s, yet better #'s leaning towards Malachi at a higher level to boot.

Malachi has really taken off as PG in Pac-12, some HUGE games vs good teams.

Gonzaga wasn't only team/school to whiff on him, just wonder how/why given his stats compared to NBA stars at the same HS.

There is a lot to it...just surprising reading his bio.

FlyZag
03-27-2018, 09:09 PM
GU staff does consider character, grades and potential "fit" when offering one athlete over another. Could be one reason Athlete A gets an offer over Athlete B.

Coach Crazy
03-27-2018, 09:29 PM
Just curious is all. No agenda. For instance, why Wade over Malachi? Utah over local Washington kid. Similar #'s, yet better #'s leaning towards Malachi at a higher level to boot.

Malachi has really taken off as PG in Pac-12, some HUGE games vs good teams.

Gonzaga wasn't only team/school to whiff on him, just wonder how/why given his stats compared to NBA stars at the same HS.

There is a lot to it...just surprising reading his bio.

I would have taken Jesse Wade over Malachi. In fact, didn't this board discuss Malachi Flynn, at some point? Or am I thinking of someone else?

zagsfanforlife
03-27-2018, 09:36 PM
I would have taken Jesse Wade over Malachi. In fact, didn't this board discuss Malachi Flynn, at some point? Or am I thinking of someone else?

You wouldnt now in hindsight.

Coach Crazy
03-27-2018, 10:20 PM
You wouldnt now in hindsight.

Hindsight wasn't happening when the recruiting was, though. Everyone misses on recruits they either bring in, or decline to offer/scout.

Birddog
03-28-2018, 04:46 AM
GU staff does consider character, grades and potential "fit" when offering one athlete over another. Could be one reason Athlete A gets an offer over Athlete B.

Perfectly stated.

Coach Crazy
03-28-2018, 06:07 AM
Perfectly stated.

And at the time of recruiting, Jesse was viewed as the better player.

thebigsmoove
03-28-2018, 06:17 AM
GU staff does consider character, grades and potential "fit" when offering one athlete over another. Could be one reason Athlete A gets an offer over Athlete B.

To be honest, i still think GU doesn't take a flyer on Malachi. This organization values winning plays, something both Few and Perkins spoke on at length during the NCAA tourney, I watched a little of Flynns game and i just wonder if he cares about winning plays. Not that Marcus Carr does either, but for some reason i get the feeling hes more mold-able. Idk why, just a gut reaction.

Goshzagit
03-28-2018, 06:27 AM
To be honest, i still think GU doesn't take a flyer on Malachi. This organization values winning plays, something both Few and Perkins spoke on at length during the NCAA tourney, I watched a little of Flynns game and i just wonder if he cares about winning plays. Not that Marcus Carr does either, but for some reason i get the feeling hes more mold-able. Idk why, just a gut reaction.

good answer and why I posed the question.

GU guards must be able to adapt to our system, be coachable, value winning basketball and plays...not just flare, no look passes, highlights.

Norvell the closest exception to the rule I can think of.

thanks for your response.

Hoopaholic
03-28-2018, 07:34 AM
To be honest, i still think GU doesn't take a flyer on Malachi. This organization values winning plays, something both Few and Perkins spoke on at length during the NCAA tourney, I watched a little of Flynns game and i just wonder if he cares about winning plays. Not that Marcus Carr does either, but for some reason i get the feeling hes more mold-able. Idk why, just a gut reaction.

I suggest that his play was a product of the environment and coaching expectations and roles they placed on him.

IF he were to come to the zaggville I am 99%certain the staff would explain expectations, roles and game play and ensure a full committment to team play versus open gym play

ZagMan in Philly
03-28-2018, 07:34 AM
Arizona, FSU, Oklahoma, and Gonzaga are looking into this Grad Transfer from Maine
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147346/aaron-calixte

Zagdawg
03-28-2018, 07:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8CYraM69g

former1dog
03-28-2018, 07:42 AM
Arizona, FSU, Oklahoma, and Gonzaga are looking into this Grad Transfer from Maine
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3147346/aaron-calixte

Medical Redshirt his junior year?

Coach Crazy
03-28-2018, 08:21 AM
Medical Redshirt his junior year?

Indeed.

thebigsmoove
03-28-2018, 08:28 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8CYraM69g

Seems like a patient and willing distributor, good ability to create his own shot off the dribble both in the lane and on the perimeter. I like him, a little smallish, but i dont see why that couldnt work out. Philly, where did you hear we are looking at him?

zagsfanforlife
03-28-2018, 08:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8CYraM69g

Meh.. a 5'11 scorer with an assist to turnover ratio of less than 1:1... pass.

thebigsmoove
03-28-2018, 08:32 AM
Most of the twitter noise im seeing on Aaron Calixte is to Oklahoma. Lon Kruger is hot on his trail.

ZagMan in Philly
03-28-2018, 09:07 AM
Seems like a patient and willing distributor, good ability to create his own shot off the dribble both in the lane and on the perimeter. I like him, a little smallish, but i dont see why that couldnt work out. Philly, where did you hear we are looking at him?

https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/978981163929882625?s=19

ZagMan in Philly
03-28-2018, 09:44 AM
https://gradtransfertracker.com/potential-transfers-1/

sittingon50
03-28-2018, 09:47 AM
Meh.. a 5'11 scorer with an assist to turnover ratio of less than 1:1... pass.

102 Assists/ 121 TO's. Gulp.

Coach Crazy
03-28-2018, 10:00 AM
102 Assists/ 121 TO's. Gulp.

I think it is important to remember that even J3 had some stats that were not incredibly reassuring. Granted he was a few years younger. That ratio should be cause for concern. But I would look into the "why", as well. The cadence to his pace is impressive. He works the floor with a lot of patience and vision for a ball handler. And he have a nice touch in the mid-range. Which, for a dribble-drive motion guard, can be a killer for a defense. Would also be interesting see where he fits in, here.

sittingon50
03-28-2018, 10:26 AM
[QUOTE=Coach Crazy;1381776]I think it is important to remember that even J3 had some stats that were not incredibly reassuring.QUOTE]

Agreed Coach, but we're talking about a point guard here. He starts bouncing the ball off the cheerleader's heads in Few's system and his butt is gathering splinters. Agree?

Coach Crazy
03-28-2018, 10:32 AM
[QUOTE=Coach Crazy;1381776]I think it is important to remember that even J3 had some stats that were not incredibly reassuring.QUOTE]

Agreed Coach, but we're talking about a point guard here. He starts bouncing the ball off the cheerleader's heads in Few's system and his butt is gathering splinters. Agree?

Very much agree. And from what I am seeing, we had a cheerleader in the past who wasn't great at spelling. Don't need a head injury making that an issue again. Talk about a buzz kill for cheers that are supposed to get people amped up:

"G-O-N...wait, did Suzie just put up the "A"?! Gonazga?! Must be one of those North Central cheerleaders..."

It all comes down to whether or not he is in a system that doesn't fit, and/or if the coaching just isn't there. And it really depends on what you are looking for, in terms of a fit. This is a second unit point guard. Josh has transformed. Unless he (Josh) wants to be an off-ball guard, a kid like this doesn't make sense as a starter.

cggonzaga
03-28-2018, 11:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr8CYraM69g

Confident player. Probably has a lot to do with turnover ratio. We need guards that can create and breakdown a defense. I’d take this kid in a heartbeat. Could see him spell Josh at point so Josh could get a few more open looks.

doctorzag
03-28-2018, 01:02 PM
Justin Coleman. Grad transfer from Samford. 13.5 ppg 6.6 assts per game vs 2.7 turnovers.

doctorzag
03-28-2018, 01:09 PM
Ehab Amin. Grad transfer from Texas A&M Corpus Christie 16.9 ppg 6.6 rebounds per game , 2.9 assists. 6-4 guard

sittingon50
03-28-2018, 01:22 PM
My system here at work won't let me open the link Philly posted above; will have to check it out tonight.

You guys are throwing a lot of names out there.

Hooray4Daye&Gray
03-28-2018, 02:17 PM
Florida State PG C.J. Walker to transfer.

If you can't beat him, get him to join?

Just kidding I think, but it is pretty interesting that he wants to play somewhere else.

Goshzagit
03-28-2018, 02:22 PM
Florida State PG C.J. Walker to transfer.

If you can't beat him, get him to join?

Just kidding I think, but it is pretty interesting that he wants to play somewhere else.

OT --

I'm over the loss, yet we had no business losing to that team. None.

They mucked it up, out-athlete'd, and used their depth well, yet we are a much better basketball team.

I felt like we played right into their hands/gameplan.

Michigan only scored 58 points vs FSU, yet they never panicked. Or rushed shots. They played precise and grinded with them. They felt the pressure but just patience was KEY. I said as much before the game and we did the exact opposite.

The young guys, especially, fell for their ploys. I thought Josh did a nice job given the constant pressure, yet while Norvell made some shots yet a big reason we lost that game (he saved us in Rd 1 and Rd 2, so take the good with the bad). Silas had no business shooting 12 shots either. And Kispert laid some eggs when we were within 5 pts. They will learn.

Not a terrible loss, but a game we should have won and advanced.

/end rant. Apologies for OT reply.

maynard g krebs
03-28-2018, 02:24 PM
I watched a little of Flynns game and i just wonder if he cares about winning plays.

I watched quite a few of the Cougs' games, and couldn't disagree more. Their only Pac caliber players were Flynn and Franks, both of whom had to score a lot for them to have a chance. Flynn moved the ball really well for them, and as someone said above, had to take the tough shots when the clock was winding down. Hit at least a couple of big game-winning shots. Very clutch in some of the games I saw.

I'm very confident from watching him that he'd play well in the Zags' system. Drawbacks I see are size and lack of elite athleticism, but a very good basketball player.

Goshzagit
03-28-2018, 02:28 PM
I watched quite a few of the Cougs' games, and couldn't disagree more. Their only Pac caliber players were Flynn and Franks, both of whom had to score a lot for them to have a chance. Flynn moved the ball really well for them, and as someone said above, had to take the tough shots when the clock was winding down. Hit at least a couple of big game-winning shots. Very clutch in some of the games I saw.

I'm very confident from watching him that he'd play well in the Zags' system. Drawbacks I see are size and lack of elite athleticism, but a very good basketball player.

I would take Malachi all day, every day, including on Tuesday.

He would be a tremendous guard to have in our RS program. Would be fortunate to get a player like him sit out a year.

Actually, flashes some NWG in his game. Not as polished/efficient overall, but similar style on the court. Makes the right play more often than not, can score, pass, and excellent handles.

I don't believe he has any interest, yet I would take him in a heart beat.

(he didn't shoot the ball particularly well last season, yet he shot 39% 3pt and over 150 attempts as a Frosh, so I know he can shoot when taking good shots)

MDABE80
03-28-2018, 03:23 PM
And he did it with a bad team in a tougher league. 39% from 3 is a bit better than our own guys did outside of Tillie. He's a good player. He'll improve. Good tools and coachable. PLUS he's from Bellarmine Prep. lol

cggonzaga
03-28-2018, 03:46 PM
And he did it with a bad team in a tougher league. 39% from 3 is a bit better than our own guys did outside of Tillie. He's a good player. He'll improve. Good tools and coachable. PLUS he's from Bellarmine Prep. lol

Ummm...darn facts.

Flynn 34%

Tillie 48%
Perkins 39%
Melson 37%
Norvell 37%

MDABE80
03-28-2018, 04:23 PM
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/malachi-flynn-player-stats

Only Sorta. I looked at the top line wherein his 3 pt % is 387 % (basically 39%) from his first year.

raise the zag
03-28-2018, 04:23 PM
Ummm...darn facts.

Flynn 34%

Tillie 48%
Perkins 39%
Melson 37%
Norvell 37%

34% was Sophomore season, with over 250 attempts.

39% was Freshman season, with over 150 attempts

Averages out to around 37% with 400 attempts.

That's solid.

And his shot selection would improve mightily, as you might expect, as a Zag.

A long shot he comes here, but he'd be a great get as a transfer.

MDABE80
03-28-2018, 04:31 PM
Some will quibble over minor details but the bottom line is that this kids data is solid and he will contribute to the team. Young and still in development. He's a good player with HS and college stats to back it up. Unless the staff finds somebody clearly better, I'd have him in for a "sit down". Not sure how he was overlooked.

roxdoc
03-28-2018, 05:53 PM
How is his "D"?

Coach Crazy
03-28-2018, 06:30 PM
How is his "D"?

Defensive liability.

75Zag
03-28-2018, 06:43 PM
I have 3 things to say on this topic:

1. NO SHORT GUARDS.
2. NO SHORT GUARDS.
3. NO SHORT GUARDS.

Six Foot Four, show me more.
Six Foot Three, talk with me.
Six Foot Two, bad for you - and go away.

Go Bulldogs!

zagsfanforlife
03-28-2018, 07:07 PM
I have 3 things to say on this topic:

1. NO SHORT GUARDS.
2. NO SHORT GUARDS.
3. NO SHORT GUARDS.

Six Foot Four, show me more.
Six Foot Three, talk with me.
Six Foot Two, bad for you - and go away.

Go Bulldogs!

Wade/Ravet...

Zagceo
03-28-2018, 07:15 PM
Wade/Ravet...

FSU had 9 blocks against Zags... Can’t picture Wade getting his shot off unless it was Curryess

TexasZagFan
03-28-2018, 07:17 PM
I have 3 things to say on this topic:

1. NO SHORT GUARDS.
2. NO SHORT GUARDS.
3. NO SHORT GUARDS.

Six Foot Four, show me more.
Six Foot Three, talk with me.
Six Foot Two, bad for you - and go away.

Go Bulldogs!

Ummm...John Stockton is 6'1".

zagsfanforlife
03-28-2018, 07:23 PM
FSU had 9 blocks against Zags... Can’t picture Wade getting his shot off unless it was Curryess

Thats fine but hate to break it to both of you, but in 2 years we will have two dudes at least under 6'1

cggonzaga
03-28-2018, 07:34 PM
34% was Sophomore season, with over 250 attempts.

39% was Freshman season, with over 150 attempts

Averages out to around 37% with 400 attempts.

That's solid.

And his shot selection would improve mightily, as you might expect, as a Zag.

A long shot he comes here, but he'd be a great get as a transfer.

Wasn’t saying he wouldn’t be. Simply addressing an incorrect statement. I’ve always liked Flynn but don’t see him as a Zag.

burgesszag
03-28-2018, 07:40 PM
Geez, Flynn transferring, Franks declared for the Draft (although not signing an agent I think). Ernie can't last much longer over there. I've said it before, it's REALLY hard to win in Pullman. They'll probably never see a coach of Bennett's caliber there again. Poor Cougs, it's tough being the armpit of the Pac 12.

Arm Pit of the Pac is almost as good they COUGED IT...Flynn would give anything to be a ZAG with the best coach and program on the West Coast...Thankful the Zags never have to travel to the armpit of the Palouse...

MDABE80
03-28-2018, 08:13 PM
Defensive liability.
No transfer is finished product. We bring kids here to train them. Kids got speed. Kent doesn't train kids.
We do! Maybe we can inspire good D.

Hoopaholic
03-28-2018, 08:50 PM
No transfer is finished product. We bring kids here to train them. Kids got speed. Kent doesn't train kids.
We do! Maybe we can inspire good D.

And shot selection within the context of a team

maynard g krebs
03-28-2018, 11:25 PM
I have 3 things to say on this topic:

1. NO SHORT GUARDS.
2. NO SHORT GUARDS.
3. NO SHORT GUARDS.

Six Foot Four, show me more.
Six Foot Three, talk with me.
Six Foot Two, bad for you - and go away.

Go Bulldogs!

I'm curious as to your reasoning, since there are numerous sub-6'2 guards that have been allstars and won championships at every level of basketball for many decades.

I guess you wouldn't take another Dan Dickau?

hooter73
03-29-2018, 07:18 AM
When we lose, its to tall, athletic guards. Thats the perception anyway.

Zagceo
03-29-2018, 07:32 AM
I'm curious as to your reasoning, since there are numerous sub-6'2 guards that have been allstars and won championships at every level of basketball for many decades.

I guess you wouldn't take another Dan Dickau?

ya think Silas @ 6’4” was adjusting his shot because of FSU length? Silas had 3 airballs and was 0-5 from three pt line.

bad shooting nights happen.....but 3 airballs....

MDABE80
03-29-2018, 08:54 AM
Wasn’t saying he wouldn’t be. Simply addressing an incorrect statement. I’ve always liked Flynn but don’t see him as a Zag.
It wasn't incorrect. Not precise as u might like it but only a few ticks off. 39% was his first year. For that year...the statement was correct:) lol see what I did there!!!

jazzdelmar
03-29-2018, 09:04 AM
ya think Silas @ 6’4” was adjusting his shot because of FSU length? Silas had 3 airballs and was 0-5 from three pt line.

bad shooting nights happen.....but 3 airballs....

Silas had plenty of games like that. Not height related. Did his career shooting ever crest 40%?

Just checked. It did, lifetime 41%. From three, 36%.

Coach Crazy
03-29-2018, 09:16 AM
No transfer is finished product. We bring kids here to train them. Kids got speed. Kent doesn't train kids.
We do! Maybe we can inspire good D.

It's certainly possible that he could benefit from being within this defensive system. Jordan Mathews certainly did. But even Jordan Mathews was head and shoulders a better defender, statistically, than Malachi. And it really isn't even close. If the staff is interested, then there is reason to believe that they think they can amend whatever is lacking with his game. I just don't see them chomping at the bit to offer, like they have with Carr and Akinjo.

JPtheBeasta
03-29-2018, 09:17 AM
I would probably have to watch the game and see how defended they were. My memory tells me Melson just missed them. He also was short on a not-so-highly contested free throw...

Quickness neutralizes lack of height. Short players learn how to get their shot off in the trees. I always admired Jameer Nelson’s ability to score down there. He was a special talent, though, and I agree it is at least easier for taller players. I like height more for the added rebounding and flexibility to guard multiple spots on switches on defense.

Grand Valley Zag
03-29-2018, 10:48 AM
Since we’re discussing semantics, you stated

This statement was untrue as I showed. But since you want to provide stats from 2 years ago for some reason, Tillie, Collins, Williams, Matthews, Josh and Silas all shot 39% or better. And Goss was at 37%.

Come on, guys . . . .

Let's play a game: last one to say anything in this argument loses. Ready. Go.

Coach Crazy
03-29-2018, 12:10 PM
Come on, guys . . . .

Let's play a game: last one to say anything in this argument loses. Ready. Go.

Does the person who chimes in with a quote of this and then says nothing win? In that case...ABE and cgg are big stupid heads (oh, and Grad Valley...you have to call the winner. I want my name in lights.). Mic drop.

MDABE80
03-29-2018, 12:26 PM
I resemble that Coach! lolol

Vanzagger
03-29-2018, 12:48 PM
ya think Silas @ 6’4” was adjusting his shot because of FSU length? Silas had 3 airballs and was 0-5 from three pt line.

bad shooting nights happen.....but 3 airballs....

At halftime an analyst said Sparty would be fine because they were missing “wide open” shots vs Cuse. That is a convenient analysis.

Truth is, the misses had more to do with Cuse’s length and commitment to D. Those shots may have looked wide open but Cuse was in Sparty’s head. Spead them up.

Post season is a different animal. Every possession is life or death. You certainly can win it all in college with a couple of dynamic Mighty Mouses. They will probably get the glory too. The next 6 guys are rim rockers and you are doing nothing without them.

One of the craziest in game adjustments...Pitino sits Russlicious in the Natty and gives a role player the minutes. If I remember right that guy just shot over people on his way to MVP

doctorzag
03-29-2018, 01:28 PM
ya think Silas @ 6’4” was adjusting his shot because of FSU length? Silas had 3 airballs and was 0-5 from three pt line.

bad shooting nights happen.....but 3 airballs....

6'4" ??? Thats funny.

Coach Crazy
03-29-2018, 01:30 PM
6'4" ??? Thats funny.

Yeah, closer to 6'2".

bdmiller7
03-29-2018, 02:44 PM
I think it's funny that GU players add a couple inches to their actual heights, but every other player in the world's listed height is dead accurate.

sittingon50
03-29-2018, 03:10 PM
I think it's funny that GU players add a couple inches to their actual heights, but every other player in the world's listed height is dead accurate.

What are the odds???

:roll:

Unbiased
03-29-2018, 04:39 PM
ya think Silas @ 6’4” was adjusting his shot because of FSU length? Silas had 3 airballs and was 0-5 from three pt line.

bad shooting nights happen.....but 3 airballs....

Man, I have a hard time believing Silas is no more than 6'2", without shoes.
I've had a brief chat with him. I'm 6'2". He certainly wasn't taller than me.

maynard g krebs
03-29-2018, 05:18 PM
ya think Silas @ 6’4” was adjusting his shot because of FSU length? Silas had 3 airballs and was 0-5 from three pt line.

bad shooting nights happen.....but 3 airballs....

I think ball movement/chemistry was way out of whack w/ the sudden loss of "problem solver" (coaches' words) Tillie. Put Rui in the starting lineup, destroyed depth and rotation on front line. And Rui hasn't developed the finesse to play against a team he can't overpower and out-athlete-- yet.

Team played shook and panicky from the getgo imo. Sure FSU's size and athleticism makes them a good defensive team. All things being equal, you certainly want the bigger player. But all things aren't equal. I was asking another poster why he would summarily dismiss any player 6'2 or under, when such players include Jerry West, Stockton, Isaiah Thomas, Cousy, Chris Paul, Nate Archibald, Calvin Murphy, Gail Goodrich, Tim Hardaway, Hal Greer, Rajon Rondo, etc. to name a few. Hell, Keith Jennings could play on my team any day.

Some of those guys might have been able to score on FSU.

Radbooks
03-29-2018, 08:41 PM
Can we just lock this thread already? I'm sick of these kind of stupid 'discussions'.

Grand Valley Zag
03-29-2018, 09:26 PM
Coming from the guy suspended from the board for a month. You a poker player abe? Familiar with the term donkey?

You spit gibberish and call them facts. Gosh, who else does that? Name is on the tip of my tongue...

(Sorry GVZ and everybody else but I’m too immature to win this contest)


Ha ha. No time limit was specified so I guess the contest doesn't end? You're not out of it yet!


Potential transfers are a top off-season topic though . . .

zagfan1
03-29-2018, 09:52 PM
Let’s focus on the thread. We need another big. Hopefully someone comes out of the woodwork.

doctorzag
03-29-2018, 10:11 PM
Joe Cremo 6-4 Graduate transfer guard. Albany Great Danes 17.8 ppg, 4.1 rebounds, 3.8 assts and shot .458 from 3pt. and .819 from the line. Lots of good grad transfer guards coming onto the market.

doctorzag
03-29-2018, 10:18 PM
Let’s focus on the thread. We need another big. Hopefully someone comes out of the woodwork.

Not sure we need another big. Few only likes to play two bigs. This year Williams and Tillie got all the minutes. Next year we already have Clarke, Tillie, Petrusev and Larsen. Even if we lose Tillie we are still ok.