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GonzagasaurusFlex
12-17-2017, 04:58 AM
Is Ohio State gonna be Zagsí signature win of the season? They better handle their business in the WCC or its Selection Sunday bubble team time baby. No signature wins, no show vs Villanova = anything more than 1 loss in a dreadful WCC year makes Zags a bubble team without earning the auto bid. Cite all the prior years when Zags got an at-large that you want, the WCC is AWFUL this year, so Iím calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. .

bartruff1
12-17-2017, 05:04 AM
Gonzaga is already in...the Gaels have to win the automatic bid...

bigblahla
12-17-2017, 05:14 AM
Is Ohio State gonna be Zags’ signature win of the season? They better handle their business in the WCC or its Selection Sunday bubble team time baby. No signature wins, no show vs Villanova = anything more than 1 loss in a dreadful WCC year makes Zags a bubble team without earning the auto bid. Cite all the prior years when Zags got an at-large that you want, the WCC is AWFUL this year, so I’m calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. .

The sky is not falling....

Go!! Zags!!!

GonzagasaurusFlex
12-17-2017, 05:54 AM
The sky is not falling....

Go!! Zags!!!

I don’t think it is either, but objectively speaking Zags have one win vs a Top 25 opponent (Creighton at home) then what? Blown out by Villanova, what we thought was a “good loss” vs Florida is no longer that. To sit back and say Zags are a lock for an at-large bid is ridiculous. They have to win every conference game, except say on the road vs St Mary’s or BYU, to be lock to get in. Thinking otherwise is Dukie level arrogance.

GoZags
12-17-2017, 05:55 AM
Is Ohio State gonna be Zags’ signature win of the season? They better handle their business in the WCC or its Selection Sunday bubble team time baby. No signature wins, no show vs Villanova = anything more than 1 loss in a dreadful WCC year makes Zags a bubble team without earning the auto bid. Cite all the prior years when Zags got an at-large that you want, the WCC is AWFUL this year, so I’m calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. .

Please step back from the ledge. As blahla has mentioned, the sky is NOT falling. The WCC is now ranked 13 (out of 31). They've been as low as 16 in previous years.

Not sure if you've noticed, but Ohio State has reeled off 4 in a row (including wins over Michigan and Wisconsin). And they may not even be in our "Top 5" for "signature" wins when all is said and done. At this point (and looking at the numbers) the Zags would need 4-5 additional losses to start approaching "bubble" territory. What I WILL say is that "anything more than 1 conference loss means" the Zags could lose "protected seed" status. 2 or 3 conference losses probably puts the Zags' metrics (RPI/KenPom, etc) in the 25-35 range .... well within the dance field.

But they aren't anywhere NEAR the bubble.

Reborn
12-17-2017, 06:07 AM
I AGREE with you GoZags. I don't see anything to worry about yet. There are areas in the Zag's game that needs a lot of growth and a lot of work, but they have great coaches and as time goes on the team will improve a lot. It's good to remember how young this team is, and as we know it's mostly like to be a roller coaster ride this year. I think the fact that the Zags won last night says a lot about the team. It wasn't all bad last night. Only the first half. The game really reminds me of the Creighton game. I was impressed with North Dakota last night. They played a great game, even better than the way Creighton played against us. The Zags pretty much shut one of the players down the second half. Zags didn't shut anyone down last night. Those guards for ND were fantastic. That game was a dog fight last night and we won. I'm certainly happy.

bartruff1
12-17-2017, 06:39 AM
It has nothing to do with arrogance.... Duke is also in ...it is the beauty of being in the WCC....if history is any guide, the Zags will continue to win and as other teams lose they will move up in the rankings and finish with something like 30 wins.... and the committee....... being human...... will give the Zags every benefit of the doubt....

Players come here because Gonzaga has been in the Tournament every year of their lives...why should this year be different, they are 9-2 and already in the top 15 and will improve as the season goes on...

Zagger
12-17-2017, 06:56 AM
I'm with the 9-2 bunch. I feel the Zags are doing fine. Wish I had videod the team circle before the game started. These guys really like one another - great team chemistry. Yeah, they are rough around the edges alright while in games. I think that goes with 18-20-ish guys who are full of piss and vinegar. I also feel Few is really pushing them to try things outside their comfort zones and that it will all come together as the team goes through the WCC. They're surely exciting to watch - on a variety of levels! Can't wait to see if my score prediction for the next game is spot on - or on a UFO to who knows where!

FuManShoes
12-17-2017, 07:09 AM
We're not in danger of missing the Dance, but we have the look of a team that will get bounced after just a game or two, especially if we get pitted against a squad that can hit threes and doesn't turn it over.

MontanaCoyote
12-17-2017, 09:04 AM
I'm with the optimists on this one with two caveats. 1. Sans a key injury, 2. + Killer attitude from the get go every game.

LongIslandZagFan
12-17-2017, 09:16 AM
Is Ohio State gonna be Zags’ signature win of the season? They better handle their business in the WCC or its Selection Sunday bubble team time baby. No signature wins, no show vs Villanova = anything more than 1 loss in a dreadful WCC year makes Zags a bubble team without earning the auto bid. Cite all the prior years when Zags got an at-large that you want, the WCC is AWFUL this year, so I’m calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. .

So what you seem to be saying is a team with 4 losses (assuming 2 losses in WCC and wins in next two games) is a bubble team? Ummm... no.

zagamatic
12-17-2017, 09:21 AM
Unless something drastic happens, I believe that this year's Zags will get into the tournament based on nothing more than the fact that they CAN win a game or two in the tournament that they're not supposed to and vice versa, which makes for good tv.

WallaWallaZag
12-17-2017, 04:58 PM
Is Ohio State gonna be Zags’ signature win of the season? They better handle their business in the WCC or its Selection Sunday bubble team time baby. No signature wins, no show vs Villanova = anything more than 1 loss in a dreadful WCC year makes Zags a bubble team without earning the auto bid. Cite all the prior years when Zags got an at-large that you want, the WCC is AWFUL this year, so I’m calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. .

the wcc is awful every year...but it's not bad for a mid-major conference. this year is probably right around an average wcc year for the conference as a whole, maybe a tad worse...the wcc doesn't crack the top 10 all that often.

Once and Future Zag
12-17-2017, 06:04 PM
the wcc is awful every year...but it's not bad for a mid-major conference. this year is probably right around an average wcc year for the conference as a whole, maybe a tad worse...the wcc doesn't crack the top 10 all that often.

2003-2017, The WCC has averaged as about the 12th best conference (per KenPom), with a high of 8th and a low of 14th.

It's a respectable non-P5 conference.

gonzagafan62
12-17-2017, 06:25 PM
2003-2017, The WCC has averaged as about the 12th best conference (per KenPom), with a high of 8th and a low of 14th.

It's a respectable non-P5 conference.

Pretty sure that's what he said lol

ZionZag
12-17-2017, 07:07 PM
I think Flex had a bad dream last night.....I think he's confused with the Georgia Bulldogs

cggonzaga
12-17-2017, 07:15 PM
If GU ends up as a 7 seed or higher there will be a lot of unhappy 1-4 seeds.

GonzagasaurusFlex
12-18-2017, 02:18 AM
I think Flex had a bad dream last night.....I think he's confused with the Georgia Bulldogs

Ok, ok....uncle! The board has spoken and I’m willing to listen. To say Zags will be a bubble team if they lose more than just one conference game is probably not the case. Thank you for talking me off the ledge. Man, I haven’t seen so much agreement amongst this group in a long long time...ever?!

I’ll sure be rooting hard for Ohio State to beat UNC this weekend cause the Zags’ lack of a statement win and the upcoming WCC slate of horrible opponents just has me a little worried is all. Maybe I’ve just been listening to too much jazz lately.

ehk 21
12-18-2017, 02:55 AM
It will all be OK, for all the reasons cited above by various folks. Zags could lose three conference games and easily make the Dance. Now, the seeding is another story, that might not go the way we want it in the end, but unless something catastrophic happens (lots of injuries and losses), the Dance doesn't seem to be in jeopardy at the moment. Going to go have my morning cup of decaf now. Herbal tea is also soothing.

ZagsGoZags
12-18-2017, 03:16 AM
San Diego St U is 7 wins and 3 losses so far, and ranked about 70. If we lose to them, and Florida keeps falling (but keep in mind they are still in the top 25 as of right now) the number of WCC losses would be important, but there would be some wiggle room. St. Mary's only has two losses so far, so if we beat them twice it will very helpful; they presently have two losses and ranked 32. I think UW's stock will rise and we have been forgiven for the loss to Nova. Wins over BYU would be good, ranked 72 right now. We have a lot of chances still, to show our stuff.
Not too likely the team ranked in top 15 won't Dance, unless for some reason we collapse downward from the momentum we presently have.

Gonzagit
12-21-2017, 10:58 AM
Is Ohio State gonna be Zagsí signature win of the season? They better handle their business in the WCC or its Selection Sunday bubble team time baby. No signature wins, no show vs Villanova = anything more than 1 loss in a dreadful WCC year makes Zags a bubble team without earning the auto bid. Cite all the prior years when Zags got an at-large that you want, the WCC is AWFUL this year, so Iím calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. .

If the idea is the Big Picture, then I think the Big Picture is this: We are 10-2 coming off of the National Championship game, with neutral court losses to #1 Nova and a talented Florida team that hit a rough patch (but should bounce back). We have some solid wins (Creighton, OSU, UW, hopefully SDSU) and appear to be head and shoulder above all but maybe 1 team in the WCC (BYU - who has shown better than SMC so far). As of right now we have a better resume than the team we played in the NC game, North Carolina. They obviously have the luxury of notching many many more quality wins going forward, but nothing we can do about that.

I do think we've hit a little rough patch of our own (happens in college hoops with 18 and 19 year olds), but we will find our way out. The Big Picture is that we are fine. We may not be in 2 months, but nothing to worry about right now.

Norwester
12-21-2017, 01:44 PM
... so I’m calling it now. Anything more than 1 conference loss means Zags gotta win WCC tourney or else be firmly on the bubble. [/B].

Since the bubble is, by nature, a "soft" and transitory place, how exactly is a team "firmly on the bubble?" :)

GonzagasaurusFlex
12-21-2017, 01:55 PM
:roll:

Since the bubble is, by nature, a "soft" and transitory place, how exactly is a team "firmly on the bubble?" :)

Norwester
12-21-2017, 02:12 PM
:roll:

You're a good sport, GF.

Bogozags
12-21-2017, 02:24 PM
I'm with the 9-2 bunch. I feel the Zags are doing fine. Wish I had videod the team circle before the game started. These guys really like one another - great team chemistry. Yeah, they are rough around the edges alright while in games. I think that goes with 18-20-ish guys who are full of piss and vinegar. I also feel Few is really pushing them to try things outside their comfort zones and that it will all come together as the team goes through the WCC. They're surely exciting to watch - on a variety of levels! Can't wait to see if my score prediction for the next game is spot on - or on a UFO to who knows where!

Yes, it sure seems they are "brothers-in-arms" but then again, GU players have had a special bond which is one reason they are so unselfish...I am waiting for Zach to "go-off" in the first half and then GU will pick up steam for the dance...