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Gonzdb8
11-28-2017, 09:33 AM
I've seen/heard more than a few comparisons between this team and the 99 team (underrated, chip on their shoulder, that kind of thing) over the last few weeks. Got me thinking...who would win in a matchup of the 99 team and 17 team? 17 team seems a lot more athletic, but i've perhaps romanticized the 99 team to such an extent that I think they could run with almost any of our teams :-)
Thoughts?

Gonzdb8
11-28-2017, 09:33 AM
I've seen/heard more than a few comparisons between this team and the 99 team (underrated, chip on their shoulder, that kind of thing) over the last few weeks. Got me thinking...who would win in a matchup of the 99 team and 17 team? 17 team seems a lot more athletic, but i've perhaps romanticized the 99 team to such an extent that I think they could run with almost any of our teams :-)
Thoughts?

clarification - I'm referring to the 98-99 team and the 17-18 team.

Birddog
11-28-2017, 09:45 AM
It's a close call, but '99 wins. They had "Q". Quentin Hall was a difference maker and nobody on this years version can talk trash like "Q". He would and could disrupt the other team with his trash. I'm one of those that think they compare otherwise.

ZagsObserver
11-28-2017, 09:52 AM
2017 at this point in the year. Look at the outcome of the early games in 1998. 2017 team fared better against similar competition.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998–99_Gonzaga_Bulldogs_men%27s_basketball_team

sittingon50
11-28-2017, 10:07 AM
1. Q.Hall-J.Perkins
2. M. Santangelo-S.Melson
3. R. Frahm-C.Kispert
4. C. Calvary-K. Tillie
5. J. Eaton-J. Williams III

Bench:
R. Floyd-J.Wade
M.Nilson-Z.Norvell
M.Leasure-R. Hachimura
M.Spink-J.Jones
A.Dench-J.Larson

gozagswoohoo
11-28-2017, 10:10 AM
https://i.imgur.com/mI8fC5I.png

gozagswoohoo
11-28-2017, 10:11 AM
1. Q.Hall-J.Perkins
2. M. Santangelo-S.Melson
3. R. Frahm-C.Kispert
4. C. Calvary-K. Tillie
5. J. Eaton-J. Williams III

Bench:
R. Floyd-J.Wade
M.Nilson-Z.Norvell
M.Leasure-R. Hachimura
M.Spink-J.Jones
A.Dench-J.Larson



Until I looked at THIS, I was actually giving 17-18 a slight edge.





What I would pay to see that game though, right?? Woo!

former1dog
11-28-2017, 10:26 AM
At an average age of 40 years old, the 98-99 team doesn't stand a chance. They would get run out of the gym!!

gozagswoohoo
11-28-2017, 10:34 AM
At an average age of 40 years old, the 98-99 team doesn't stand a chance. They would get run out of the gym!!

:roll:

scrooner
11-28-2017, 10:49 AM
Detroit is a basketball team? And we lost to them??

CarolinaZagFan
11-28-2017, 10:55 AM
I'll make the bold prediction that this year's Zags don't lose by 16 at San Diego.

CarolinaZagFan
11-28-2017, 11:04 AM
Detroit is a basketball team? And we lost to them??

The home of Dunkin Doug Anderson.

bartruff1
11-28-2017, 11:05 AM
At an average age of 40 years old, the 98-99 team doesn't stand a chance. They would get run out of the gym!!

That pretty much settles that...

hooter73
11-28-2017, 11:12 AM
My mother in law used to say she would never buy a new subaru because her mom had one in the seventies and the seats hurt her back.

Different times.

Gonzdb8
11-28-2017, 11:18 AM
At an average age of 40 years old, the 98-99 team doesn't stand a chance. They would get run out of the gym!!

LOL. well played!

zagzilla
11-28-2017, 11:19 AM
I think that 98-99 team had better players a 4 of the 5 starting positions. JW3>Eaton. We were still running the flex back then. No idea how we dropped those games in conference though.

SWZag
11-28-2017, 11:35 AM
https://i.imgur.com/mI8fC5I.png



Are these calculated with the same number of games into the season? Or is the 98-99 team reflective of season-end totals?

gozagswoohoo
11-28-2017, 11:48 AM
Are these calculated with the same number of games into the season? Or is the 98-99 team reflective of season-end totals?

I did the math based on actual games played, for each of them. So for '99, took the total rebounds/points, etc and divided it by 35 (total games played).

And then for the current zags, took their total stats divided by 6.






******Edited to add: Sorry, slightly misunderstood your question, but I get it now, and it's a good one. No, these are season ending total/cumulative for the '99 squad. Not comparing "6 games in" to "6 games in".

MDABE80
11-28-2017, 12:15 PM
I'd tAKE THE 17 TEAM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON BUT UNLIKELY AT THE END OF THE SEASON 98-99 WAS JUST TOO TOUGH THE LAST SEVERAL GAMES. dang caps.

TexasZagFan
11-28-2017, 12:25 PM
I'd tAKE THE 17 TEAM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SEASON BUT UNLIKELY AT THE END OF THE SEASON 98-99 WAS JUST TOO TOUGH THE LAST SEVERAL GAMES. dang caps.

I'm sticking with the current team. More upside...the '99 team had two sophs, the rest were juniors and seniors. Kispert has the opportunity to eventually match Casey for sheer toughness. Let's give the kid(s) another ten games before we start comparing them to previous teams. The bar was set historically high last year.

gozagswoohoo
11-28-2017, 12:37 PM
How about the '55 zags vs to '81 zags

Or the bench of the '48 zags vs the starters of the '77 zags

Or the coaching staff of the '04 zags vs the trainers of the '55 zags

MDABE80
11-28-2017, 12:38 PM
Tex...you're correct to wait IMO. That's basically what I was saying. The real question is either a. How would they matchup....or B. is this an overpowering E 8 team?? That's the bar for the 17 team.
As far as toughness goes, I think the 99 guys win that category.....at least the last several games. I guess we'll see regarding the present crew. Both very good teams. We need a guard. 99 we had Matt maybe the best one of the new era. He did everything very well.

LongIslandZagFan
11-28-2017, 12:41 PM
JMHO... this team wins. Bench is deeper and this team is way more athletic.

BULLDOG#1
11-28-2017, 06:02 PM
Completely different game today, making it next to impossible to compare.
I do think the level of talent of this year's team is way better across the board -- which is a nice result of the success started by the 99 team.
That stated, the 99 team had the intangibles and grit to make it to the EE. Until the 17-18 zags do that, then one would have to declare the 99 team superior.

Outraged
11-28-2017, 06:12 PM
1. Q.Hall-J.Perkins
2. M. Santangelo-S.Melson
3. R. Frahm-C.Kispert
4. C. Calvary-K. Tillie
5. J. Eaton-J. Williams III

Bench:
R. Floyd-J.Wade
M.Nilson-Z.Norvell
M.Leasure-R. Hachimura
M.Spink-J.Jones
A.Dench-J.Larson

I would give top five to 99 by a hair right now. When you include the bench I would go with this year's team.

bigblahla
11-28-2017, 06:41 PM
1. Q.Hall < J.Perkins
2. M. Santangelo > S.Melson
3. R. Frahm < C.Kispert
4. C. Calvary = Williams III
5. J. Eaton < Tillie

Love the 98-99 Team but IMO 17-18 is more athletic, plays faster as a TEAM.

Malastein
11-28-2017, 07:09 PM
Detroit is a basketball team? And we lost to them??

They went 25-6 on the year and won an NCAA tournament game...

billbow47
11-29-2017, 06:16 AM
Imho this years team would win easy. Much better defensively. More athletic. Bigger all around. As far as Detroit U, Dick Vitale coached them in the 70's.

rennis
11-29-2017, 06:46 AM
In the NCAA tournament the '99 team would win.

Yes the 2017 Zags team is athletic. So was Stanford and Florida in 99.

WallaWallaZag
11-29-2017, 07:07 AM
the 2017 coaching staff is superior to the '99 staff...i think they have made huge strides defensively

former1dog
11-29-2017, 08:59 AM
1. Q.Hall < J.Perkins
2. M. Santangelo > S.Melson
3. R. Frahm < C.Kispert
4. C. Calvary = Williams III
5. J. Eaton < Tillie

Love the 98-99 Team but IMO 17-18 is more athletic, plays faster as a TEAM.


Yeah, Kispert isn't better than Frahm. Not yet anyway.

You might be right about Calvary from 98-99 being equal to Williams, but I would rank Calvary as a senior well ahead of Williams.

bigblahla
11-29-2017, 12:32 PM
Yeah, Kispert isn't better than Frahm. Not yet anyway.

You might be right about Calvary from 98-99 being equal to Williams, but I would rank Calvary as a senior well ahead of Williams.

Loved Casey's heart but no way could he dominate the way JWIII has against tougher competition.

IMO Kispert is a superior athlete to Frahm even now as freshmen....Faster finishes at the hoop and rebounds better...don't get me wrong I loved Richie's game but Kispert is the new improved version of the same type player.

But....that's just my opinion...

Go!! Zags!!!

Malastein
11-29-2017, 01:02 PM
Calvary would’ve been an NBA player in today’s world. Few has made mention of Casey being the hard to understand why he never got more of a serious shot at the NBA. He had more of a complete skill set than JW3.

Saying that Kispert is better than Frahm at this point is criminal. He may end up better, but not yet...

I’d give the edge to the 99 team at this point, since I think they could successfully press against the 17 team. Plus the 17 team still hasn’t proven any of its prognosticated depth. The 99 guys came to play when it mattered. The 17 guys can only really count on the starters. Quentin’s defense would disrupt the 17 team’s entire offense.

By season’s end, if the bench can prove to be even half of what some project and they can figure out a second ball handler to help with a full court press, then maybe they’d edge them.

Don’t forget that the 99 team had a tougher non conference schedule, but also lacked the fan’s expectations to win every game. Playing outside of the microscope gives them a bit more of an edge I think.