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Reborn
11-14-2017, 08:15 PM
Gonzaga U 107
Howard 69

A REALLY great game by Zags. The starters didn't play the last ten minutes of the game so imagine what it could have been. I had concerns that the Zags wouldn't hit the 100 mark with the bench in, but they did. And Howard got so many of their points in the last ten minutes. The guys who are down at the end of the bench did not play D at all. The offense was ok.

The starters were so good tonight on defense. Zags and especially Melson completely shout down their Freshman star. The D for the Zags tonight was just so incredible. The Zags were so much taller than Howard and really didn't have a chance from the beginning. The Zags have so many offensively great players. There is no weak link at any position on the team. They hit 3 after 3, and there were many players who were knocking those down. Howard played zone for awhile but the Zags shot them out of it, Perkins was knocking them down again. Then Kispert took over, and then Norvell, then Melson. 3 after 3 was falling. Ninja shooters were just awesome tonight. Jesse Wade came in in the last ten minutes and hit 2 threes, and Norvell also was scoring with ease in the last ten minutes, That's when he did his damage. I don't think Tillie played much, which gave Larsen a lot of playing time tonight. And Larsen played great throwing one assist after another when Howard was doubling him. He also had a lot of rebounds.

The player of the night for me was Rui Hachimure. He threw down several dunks and two of them were crazy and absolutely incredible. He is as good a dunker as anyone in the NBA I think. He can run and is powerful in transition. The Zags played at a fast pace the first half which helped all of our dunkers: Rui, JW3. Tillie, Norvell, Kispert, and Larsen threw now some nice ones as well. Finaly once again the passing was absolutely beautiful for most of the night.

Prior to the season, I thou0ght the Zags might have a tough time in that PK80 tournament. This team has changed my mind. I'm quite sure we will do well, even though we have to play two top 10 teams in the nation.
Way to go Zags.

Go Zags111

GU69
11-14-2017, 08:23 PM
This team has changed my mind. I'm quite sure we will do well, even though we have to play two top 10 teams in the nation.

Wow. They're changing my mind too. Now I want to see them against a good team, but they are looking pretty impressive so far.

bballbeachbum
11-14-2017, 08:44 PM
Zags stretched the floor with all those shooters to create all that space and just digging the ball movement, everybody's doing it, not overdoing just playing some sweet unselfish basketball and so far hitting shots. that's always fun
and something sweet brewing on the other end of the floor too, quick fast long athletic, with Larsen looking quick with his size, good feet and hands

bballbeachbum
11-14-2017, 08:53 PM
Hey Reborn, Rui was exciting to watch again tonight and had a pretty good game defensively too mostly

MDABE80
11-14-2017, 08:57 PM
This team seems to better with each outing. Powerful plays with the youngsters improving. Howard is a bit light in competition but
Last year we began with lighter teams but by the time league began whonwe played didn't matter. We just kept winning.!Larsen is much better than predicted and Rui is coming along nicely.

zagsfanforlife
11-14-2017, 09:14 PM
Talked to my dad and he shared same sentiment as I️ did— certainly can’t wait to see what they can do verde a good team because wow they sure do look talented!

Reborn
11-14-2017, 09:38 PM
Hey Reborn, Rui was exciting to watch again tonight and had a pretty good game defensively too mostly

Thanks. I thought so too. I voted him player of the game. You can read my analysis of him on that thread.

GonzaGAW
11-14-2017, 09:56 PM
- ot perhaps, but still an observation, having been at both games.

- seems a team back with many players who played for a national championship would get a bit more love from fans and students.
- yes the arena is full, but no pre game anticipation or excitement, the seats are about 1/2 empty, 8 minutes before tip off.
- tonight I kid you not 1/3 to almost 1/2 of the kennel club was gone after the first half. I have never seen that before. (I get to maybe half dozen games a year).
- I realize it was a blow out. I'm just not feeling and seeing the love and excitement I think this team deserves.

Reborn
11-14-2017, 10:04 PM
Five Zags in double figures: Norvell with 18, Kispert 13, Rui 12, JW3 had 12, Melson with ten and Josh with 9. Zags had 51 rebounds to 33 for Howard. JW3 with 9 and Rui with 6. JW3 almost had a double double on a a pretty lackluster night. 3 for 10 I think from the line. Zags only shot 51% from the line. They did shot 58% for the game and 40 from beyond the 3 pt line. They made a total of 14 threes. Jesse Wade got into the fun tonight and made 2 of 4 threes.

JPtheBeasta
11-14-2017, 10:27 PM
This was a good bounce-back game for Norvell, who had a cruddy night last time. He can score points in a bunches. This was the guy I was expecting to see this year... almost. I think he can be more efficient with his shots and do even better. Aside from the scoring, he has a good handle and appears comfortable enough getting the Zags into their offense. It will be interesting to see if Wade takes over the backup PG role in the future as he gets more practice under his belt, but I noticed that Wade was playing off the ball when he was in there with Norvell. I really like Norvell's length out there, and he is quicker than I thought he would be. He has the tools to be a complete player.

TheZagster
11-14-2017, 11:21 PM
Jesse made THREE out of six 3-pointers tonight

MDABE80
11-14-2017, 11:31 PM
Yes he did! Hope his shoulder holds up. With Norvell, Jesse, Josh and Silas, we should be ok if growth continues.

Zag79
11-15-2017, 02:11 AM
This team is good, light years ahead of where they should be… Or where most teams are at this point to be fair. Howard lost their first two games by nine points at George Washington and Indiana, and Gonzaga beat them by nearly 40 while making it look easy. The defense is there, maybe quicker than last year. They are aggressive on offense, and really push the ball. They are efficient, very cohesive, and seem to have confidence in the lineup from top to bottom regardless of who is out there. Guys are stepping up and looking ever so ready for their turn to shine, and the depth is a nice surprise considering how much was lost after last year. It's going to be another special season, this team is definitely going to surprise some people!

kitzbuel
11-15-2017, 02:27 AM
Larsen's solid play and his 3-4 FT shooting will see him getting some good crunch time minutes in the future.

tenniszag
11-15-2017, 06:05 AM
- ot perhaps, but still an observation, having been at both games.

- seems a team back with many players who played for a national championship would get a bit more love from fans and students.
- yes the arena is full, but no pre game anticipation or excitement, the seats are about 1/2 empty, 8 minutes before tip off.
- tonight I kid you not 1/3 to almost 1/2 of the kennel club was gone after the first half. I have never seen that before. (I get to maybe half dozen games a year).
- I realize it was a blow out. I'm just not feeling and seeing the love and excitement I think this team deserves.

I agree, very disappointing regarding the Kennel Club. However I think itís more of a generational thing that is happening throughout the country. Even Alabama football is having this issue wth their student section.

billbow47
11-15-2017, 06:10 AM
This is a very intelligent team. Their defensive rotation off high pick and rolls is amazing for a team so young...they rotate and recover so quickly. This teams improvement on defense from first game is amazing. Anytime someone needs help it's there and weekside help is covering. Also love their passing. 22 assists. Wow, just wow.

zag67
11-15-2017, 06:14 AM
The sharing of the ball has been amazing for this young a team. We had 5 players with over ten points, 3 with 9 points and 1 with 8 points. And we had the same type of game the first game. Yes we will have our ups and downs but I think this is really going to be a fun team to follow

GonzagasaurusFlex
11-15-2017, 07:20 AM
This is a very intelligent team. Their defensive rotation off high pick and rolls is amazing for a team so young...they rotate and recover so quickly. This teams improvement on defense from first game is amazing. Anytime someone needs help it's there and weekside help is covering. Also love their passing. 22 assists. Wow, just wow.

Yeah, D may prove to be this team’s greatest strength. Defense literally got them to the Final Four last year; pretty great motivation for players to be all in with defensive intensity and focus. Rui needs to become a defensive force; he has all the tools to do so.

Bogozags
11-15-2017, 07:21 AM
I sure like the way the offence is playing, over 20 apg in our first two games!

I think our rebounding stats are nice but we will know more after we play USU...they should give us a different challenge.

Our defence is superb and hope it continues to get better each game...I saw Duke play last night and they have such a good team loaded with athletes that can jump out of the gym BUT I look forward to that game...Josh and Silas did an excellent job on Cole to 29% shooting for the game. I also loved our P&R defence...the way the bigs hedged goes a long way to closing down 3pt shooting.

Jacob Larsen is going to be a "player!" He seems to have great potential and really good footwork and most importantly "HANDS," which can't be coached. His excellent footwork in the post allows him to score and he goes after rebounds like Domantas - out of his area. In two games, I think he has played better than Rob and PK...just my opinion.

Zach Norvell seems to have gotten on track after his first game. Against TSU his shot just didn't fall but as someone wrote on this board - "...shoot to get hot!" He did keep on shooting and the ball started to fall through the hoop...he is going to be a heck of a player here...plays both ends of the court quite well...two steals and three assists...

Rui will have a very nice year. We can see he hesitates to shoot the 3-ball as he has had several good, open looks but has only shot it one time in these two games. I think when he starts taking more threes and they fall, that will open up opportunities to drive and score...also we can see how he flows better on both sides of the court. He may not be here next season if he continues to improve...as Dickau said last evening, the NBA can always teach him fundamentals but they can't teach his athleticism or words to that affect.

Team free throw shooting is pretty pathetic the first two games. As I mentioned before, I would have thought that JW3 would have worked on shooting free throws...he still doesn't get his legs into the shot nor is his motion fluid. He had 11 opportunities last evening and made just over 30% and for the season he is shooting 45%. In close games this can truly be a problem, because much of our offence goes through him AND he will get fouled continuously.

Overall a better second game and hope the third game shows even more improvement...

JPtheBeasta
11-15-2017, 07:43 AM
They mentioned in the broadcast that JW3 worked hard on his free throws this summer.

Zags11
11-15-2017, 07:47 AM
This team is very exciting to watch. I'm ready to see them vs some better competition to see what they do. This team is flying high and has some great emotion already.

Go zags

willandi
11-15-2017, 08:00 AM
They mentioned in the broadcast that JW3 worked hard on his free throws this summer.

I wonder why more poor FT shooters don't try the Ric Barry method. It doesn't look as great, but if J3 could shoot 75-80% instead of 50%, it might make a difference to his future in professional basketball.

avid-zag-fan
11-15-2017, 08:09 AM
JW3 may have done a lot of reps on free throws this summer but he sure didn't work on his form. It's still just as plain terrible.

FlyZag
11-15-2017, 09:02 AM
Loved Jesse Wade's aggressive shooting. 3/6 3pts not bad in 12 min.

I want to see him on the floor more.

But IMO, his defense needs some work before we can consider him a viable backup PG. Yes, I understand he's only 14 min into his playing career and has been sidelined by injury. Just an area I'm hoping to see improvement in over the coming weeks. Coach Few will most likely tighten his rotation down to 8 by conference play. And right now I've got Wade at #10 (weird his # is 10). After the starters first off the bench = Rui, Larsen, Norvell, Jones and then Wade.

billbow47
11-15-2017, 09:48 AM
JW3 may have done a lot of reps on free throws this summer but he sure didn't work on his form. It's still just as plain terrible.

Agreed...his follow thru drifts left.

WallaWallaZag
11-15-2017, 10:07 AM
Agreed...his follow thru drifts left.

he really lacks touch...he'd probably be better off shooting jump hooks from the foul line...only half kidding btw

Bogozags
11-15-2017, 12:17 PM
I wonder why more poor FT shooters don't try the Ric Barry method. It doesn't look as great, but if J3 could shoot 75-80% instead of 50%, it might make a difference to his future in professional basketball.

Two games in and yes, he needs to do something...looking at PK's stroke and JW3 - it is night and day. PK had a smooth stroke but for some reason the ball didn't go down for him...I don't see JW3's numbers getting any better unless he changes his form...starting with his legs...but if he used RB's underhanded approach, I would think his numbers would go up substantially!

amaronizag
11-15-2017, 03:57 PM
I was at the game last night so I didn't hear the local TV commentary until I watched the replay this afternoon. Dan remarked that J3 worked really hard on his free throws all summer and that he was much improved from last year. It appears that he might just be starting the year in a bit of a slump. Here's hoping.

sage
11-15-2017, 04:27 PM
Noticed his "soft shots" are way better than his bullets. He goes back to his old ways.

Maybe an "on floor coach" walks up to him and whispers "soft" just before he starts shooting.

zagsfanforlife
11-15-2017, 11:19 PM
Loved Jesse Wade's aggressive shooting. 3/6 3pts not bad in 12 min.

I want to see him on the floor more.

But IMO, his defense needs some work before we can consider him a viable backup PG. Yes, I understand he's only 14 min into his playing career and has been sidelined by injury. Just an area I'm hoping to see improvement in over the coming weeks. Coach Few will most likely tighten his rotation down to 8 by conference play. And right now I've got Wade at #10 (weird his # is 10). After the starters first off the bench = Rui, Larsen, Norvell, Jones and then Wade.

I honestly think its more than his defense that keeps him off the floor. Right now Jesse is a short 2 guard. You can tell he doesnt handle the ball well enough to be a 1... which would cause problems against the upper echelon teams. I just dont see him being the backup 1 this year and that is hard for me to admit. I love watching the kid play. Needs to continue to improve his handles.

MDABE80
11-16-2017, 12:58 AM
I don't think we've seen enough to know that. Jesse , if he gets over his TWO years off AND his should injury, he'll be among the best kids we've had. 26 ppg and POY in Utah. Yes, he's got the goods. Ballhandling is very good Has he had any errant passes or TO's in his whole 12-14 minutes on the court? His knowledge of the game is extensive. He'll be fine if his shoulder is. When that happens is unknown.

bartruff1
11-16-2017, 06:08 AM
Who's minutes is he going to take Doc ?

SWZag
11-16-2017, 08:04 AM
Points in the paint:
Howard 19
Gonzaga 50

ZagsGoZags
11-16-2017, 08:31 AM
Agreed...his follow thru drifts left.

not an expert here,
but his free throws have never had the arc I see in players who shoot in the 70's and 80's percentages,
they are low and straight, and we all know from physics a higher arc than that is necessary for maximum opportunity for the ball to find the angle