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Zagdawg
10-30-2017, 05:15 PM
St Marys comes in at the top and San Francisco in at #11

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/30/2017-18-mid-major-preseason-power-rankings/

willandi
10-30-2017, 06:29 PM
St Marys comes in at the top and San Francisco in at #11

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/10/30/2017-18-mid-major-preseason-power-rankings/

So St Mary's is the top mid-major, if you leave out Gonzaga and BYU.

Yeah, right!!

If you leave out ALL the other schools, St Mary's is the pre-season number 1, in all of college basketball.

WallaWallaZag
10-30-2017, 07:11 PM
So St Mary's is the top mid-major, if you leave out Gonzaga and BYU.

Yeah, right!!

If you leave out ALL the other schools, St Mary's is the pre-season number 1, in all of college basketball.

do you prefer that gonzaga be considered a mid-major? ...because smc is and always will be based on their limitations, along with most of the wcc.

willandi
10-30-2017, 07:31 PM
do you prefer that gonzaga be considered a mid-major? ...because smc is and always will be based on their limitations, along with most of the wcc.

How is a mid major determined if not by conference affiliation? My preference has nothing to do with it. Based on size of school, conference etc, Gonzaga is a mid major.

My preference would be that there was a level playing field in all aspects. That the P5 schools were not treated better by the NCAA. But my preference and $6.00 will get you a cup of burnt coffee, not including the tip.

thespywhozaggedme
10-30-2017, 07:36 PM
How is a mid major determined if not by conference affiliation? My preference has nothing to do with it. Based on size of school, conference etc, Gonzaga is a mid major.

My preference would be that there was a level playing field in all aspects. That the P5 schools were not treated better by the NCAA. But my preference and $6.00 will get you a cup of burnt coffee, not including the tip.

We have not been a mid major program in many many years. I have described us for the past 10 years as a major program in a mid major conference.

WallaWallaZag
10-30-2017, 10:04 PM
How is a mid major determined if not by conference affiliation? My preference has nothing to do with it. Based on size of school, conference etc, Gonzaga is a mid major.

My preference would be that there was a level playing field in all aspects. That the P5 schools were not treated better by the NCAA. But my preference and $6.00 will get you a cup of burnt coffee, not including the tip.

since there is no official definition of mid-major and the ncaa doesn't even recognize it as an official term, i would say your preference does matter...since you use the term P5 does that mean you believe every other conference is a mid-major???

MDABE80
10-30-2017, 11:50 PM
High majors have D1 football programs/ There are a few programs ( like us) who are still high majors despite not playing football or play D1a/b or DII football.

soccerdud
10-31-2017, 12:34 AM
High majors have D1 football programs/ There are a few programs ( like us) who are still high majors despite not playing football or play D1a/b or DII football.

don't think that's a terribly useful distinction, even if it's generally true. big east. 7 teams in tournament last year, 2016 NCAA champion...

jazzdelmar
10-31-2017, 02:34 AM
“I know it when I see it,” kinda like Justice Stewart’s definition of porn. Irrespective of conference affiliation, IMO. Zags and Shockers yes, St Johns and Wazzu nope.

ZagsObserver
10-31-2017, 06:02 AM
With all the realignment that’s taken place, that is a really underwhelming list!

bartruff1
10-31-2017, 06:41 AM
With all the realignment that’s taken place, that is a really underwhelming list!

If the term ever had any meaning, it is pretty much meaningless now....

webspinnre
10-31-2017, 07:44 AM
I'm totally good with considering BYU a mid-major in basketball, since they are.

sideshow06
10-31-2017, 08:29 AM
So St Mary's is the top mid-major, if you leave out Gonzaga and BYU.

Yeah, right!!

If you leave out ALL the other schools, St Mary's is the pre-season number 1, in all of college basketball.

Look, I get that you have to get your undies all in a bunch any time there's a ranking where GU isn't above St. Mary's... no problem with that. It's your board. But on what planet do you think BYU would be ranked higher than SMC?

Zagdawg
10-31-2017, 08:32 AM
I think Will was quoting the author of the ranking/article in saying that they did not consider Gonzaga and BYU mid-majors --that is why they were left out of the ranking.

sideshow06
10-31-2017, 08:44 AM
Right, I got that, but the implication of the post (Yeah right!!) is that they would not be #1 if those schools were included. GU might have been ranked higher (some polls put them higher, some don't), but there's no way BYU would have been ranked above SMC.

GoZags
10-31-2017, 08:58 AM
Right, I got that, but the implication of the post (Yeah right!!) is that they would not be #1 if those schools were included. GU might have been ranked higher (some polls put them higher, some don't), but there's no way BYU would have been ranked above SMC.

Every few years SMC emerges as KING of the preaseason polls and predictions. Who knows? Maybe the pundits will get it right for the 2nd time in a decade.

Goshzagit
10-31-2017, 09:04 AM
Every few years SMC emerges as KING of the preaseason polls and predictions. Who knows? Maybe the pundits will get it right for the 2nd time in (2) decades.

updated it for ya ;).

MDABE80
10-31-2017, 09:14 AM
don't think that's a terribly useful distinction, even if it's generally true. big east. 7 teams in tournament last year, 2016 NCAA champion...

It's the definition given to me by Mike DeCourcy from
The Spirting News.
No definition is perfect.

sideshow06
10-31-2017, 09:21 AM
Every few years SMC emerges as KING of the preaseason polls and predictions. Who knows? Maybe the pundits will get it right for the 2nd time in a decade.

Reminds of how when BYU entered the league the first few years they were always picked to finish second (above SMC), and couldn't pull it off. Pundits get it wrong all the time.

bartruff1
10-31-2017, 09:31 AM
Every few years SMC emerges as KING of the preaseason polls and predictions. Who knows? Maybe the pundits will get it right for the 2nd time in a decade.

" Every few years " ????.....I don't recall the Gaels ever being picked to win in the preseason polls and predictions...except this year...Meehan says this is the first time in 17 years that the Zags haven't been picked to win by the WCC Coaches.....

thebigsmoove
10-31-2017, 09:59 AM
You know the titles and monikers "Mid Major" and "High Major" are only really ever argued by fans of schools that could be part of the "Mid Major" category. There arent many fans of big schools that would view Gonzaga, BYU, the A10, the American (Sans maybe UConn for basketball), etc as anything other than Mid Major still. I think really the true distinction in college basketball is the difference between the Blue Bloods (KU, UK, UCLA, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Etc.) and the rest of us. Those schools account for a majority of titles and Final Four appearances throughout the annuls of College Basketball history. Why does it matter how we are classified? Does it change much in the way of our ability to recruit or compete at a high level?

Markburn1
10-31-2017, 10:07 AM
You know the titles and monikers "Mid Major" and "High Major" are only really ever argued by fans of schools that could be part of the "Mid Major" category. There arent many fans of big schools that would view Gonzaga, BYU, the A10, the American (Sans maybe UConn for basketball), etc as anything other than Mid Major still. I think really the true distinction in college basketball is the difference between the Blue Bloods (KU, UK, UCLA, UNC, Duke, Indiana, Etc.) and the rest of us. Those schools account for a majority of titles and Final Four appearances throughout the annuls of College Basketball history. Why does it matter how we are classified? Does it change much in the way of our ability to recruit or compete at a high level?

The answer to your question is yes. Perception is reality in most cases. If Gonzaga is perceived to be a mid-major by top level recruits, they will look elsewhere. If Gonzaga is perceived to be included in high major conversations, it helps.

sittingon50
10-31-2017, 10:10 AM
Much ado about nothing, fellas. No need to blast the Gaels. They've ALSO got a program to be proud of.

willandi
10-31-2017, 10:25 AM
Look, I get that you have to get your undies all in a bunch any time there's a ranking where GU isn't above St. Mary's... no problem with that. It's your board. But on what planet do you think BYU would be ranked higher than SMC?


Much ado about nothing, fellas. No need to blast the Gaels. They've ALSO got a program to be proud of.

I wasn't intending to demean St Marys (although here in Zagland, few men wear panties and I don't know about your neck of the woods JK), but it would be similar to the "high" major rankings, if they left off the blue blood schools.

thebigsmoove
10-31-2017, 10:38 AM
The answer to your question is yes. Perception is reality in most cases. If Gonzaga is perceived to be a mid-major by top level recruits, they will look elsewhere. If Gonzaga is perceived to be included in high major conversations, it helps.

well considering our recruiting is steadily improving despite not being viewed as equals to Duke, UK, UCLA, etc. then i guess its not that big a deal afterall. *Shrugs*

Markburn1
10-31-2017, 10:53 AM
well considering our recruiting is steadily improving despite not being viewed as equals to Duke, UK, UCLA, etc. then i guess its not that big a deal afterall. *Shrugs*

Name all the top twenty-five recruits the Zags have landed.

sideshow06
10-31-2017, 10:55 AM
Here you go. A mid-major poll where you're on top. You can have your cake (not be a mid-major) and eat it too (be on top of a mid-major poll)... yay!

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

bartruff1
10-31-2017, 11:08 AM
SF could finish ahead of BYU...and Portland might surprise some...

thebigsmoove
10-31-2017, 11:10 AM
Name all the top twenty-five recruits the Zags have landed.

0.

But i do know we have landed many more 4*s post 2010 than we did before. Our prestige has grown. Thats a fact.

ZagsObserver
10-31-2017, 11:38 AM
I don’t see GU as mid major. I have no problem with poll. Compare the dollars GU and BYU shove into basketball and athletics vs. SMC, for example. You have to draw the line somewhere. Can the season start already? I feel like we are on a long car ride and maybe a few of us are hungry, thirsty, or just grumpy from the wait ;)

Kiddwell
10-31-2017, 11:57 AM
...USF is getting some good hype. Soooo hoping they win 20+ this year, sniff the NCAA's, and make the NIT. In the WCC's preseason interviews w/head coaches & a selected players, BYU's Rose said there'll be a new emphasis on D this year. If only! Kiddwell thinks this league should be putting three teams into the Big Dance most every year.



:]

primal23
10-31-2017, 12:26 PM
...USF is getting some good hype. Soooo hoping they win 20+ this year, sniff the NCAA's, and make the NIT. In the WCC's preseason interviews w/head coaches & a selected players, BYU's Rose said there'll be a new emphasis on D this year. If only! Kiddwell thinks this league should be putting three teams into the Big Dance most every year.



:]

So if they are having a new emphasis on defense does that mean possible assault charges will be filed against the whole BYU team soon?


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willandi
10-31-2017, 01:12 PM
Here you go. A mid-major poll where you're on top. You can have your cake (not be a mid-major) and eat it too (be on top of a mid-major poll)... yay!

http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php

Why would you want to NOT be compared to Gonzaga? If they leave them out, you might be elevated by commission.

Name the top four teams in the WCC!

Just to be interesting, let's leave St Mary's, Gonzaga, Byu and San Francisco off the list!

That would be silly.

bartruff1
10-31-2017, 01:20 PM
The whole thing is silly....:o

Kiddwell
10-31-2017, 01:29 PM
So if they are having a new emphasis on defense does that mean possible assault charges will be filed against the whole BYU team soon?


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One aspect of BYU's game that stands out to this fan is how many points their opponents score. If they can cut into that through enhanced D, while maintaining their own high output, that means a better record at season's end and, hopefully, an NCAA bid.

Regarding how they buffet and slap GU's players, well...that's a subject unto itself. :boxing:


:]

mgadfly
10-31-2017, 01:46 PM
Name all the top twenty-five recruits the Zags have landed.

Zach Collins was 20th in 247's ranking and 21st in Rivals.
Micah Downs was 28th in Rivals, so doesn't quite qualify, but was ranked as the 11th biggest 5-star bust in the past decade by BR.
Wiltjer was ranked 19th by ESPN, 21st by 247, and 22nd by Rivals
NWG was 19th by ESPN but 33 and 51st by the other two.

(I have no idea what point is being argued, but we have had some five star guys. 2 of them at one time and we happened to make the championship game that season.)

And it usually takes the Zags an extra season or two to get them to campus. Our next one may be one of the recruits that just signed with UCLA, Florida, etc...

ZagDad84
10-31-2017, 02:23 PM
Everybody has their own definition.

While GU meets the classic mid-major definition based on school size and conference affiliation. However, when you compare the amenities that GU offers (the MAC, the new Volker Center, private flights, etc.) combined with the money that they spend on their basketball program elevates them into the "major" category.

We as fans and the GU community are blessed to be able to offer all the benefits of a small school and most of the benefits of a large school basketball program, including unfortunately some inane posters who can't quit pi***ing on each other just to prove they are right.

Just my opinion of course :).

ZagDad

bartruff1
10-31-2017, 03:05 PM
Yo Momma...

ZagsObserver
10-31-2017, 03:33 PM
Everybody has their own definition.

While GU meets the classic mid-major definition based on school size and conference affiliation. However, when you compare the amenities that GU offers (the MAC, the new Volker Center, private flights, etc.) combined with the money that they spend on their basketball program elevates them into the "major" category.

We as fans and the GU community are blessed to be able to offer all the benefits of a small school and most of the benefits of a large school basketball program, including unfortunately some inane posters who can't quit pi***ing on each other just to prove they are right.

Just my opinion of course :).

ZagDad

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