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GoZags
10-05-2017, 08:23 AM
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915928036775735298

willandi
10-05-2017, 09:16 AM
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915928036775735298

Not really. If there are any penalties, at least ones that involve UNC, they will appeal.

Further penalties to Pacific will be OK.

primal23
10-05-2017, 10:10 AM
Not really. If there are any penalties, at least ones that involve UNC, they will appeal.

Further penalties to Pacific will be OK.

I was going to say, “Due to the findings against UNC, The university of Pacific will be given the death penalty in basketball.”


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willandi
10-05-2017, 10:40 AM
It is funny, reading the comments behind the tweet, how many UNC fans/followers/supporters think that it is unfair to punish the student athletes that didn't even get the benefit of using these classes to cheat. They don't seem to understand that a 20+ year pattern of academic fraud has been inherently wrong to every other team.

Perhaps, in light of the lack of comprehension by those fans, in addition to any NCAA punishment, they should also have to relinquish being able to call themselves an academic institution. Of course, if that happened, they really wouldn't see the problem with academic fraud.

zagbeliever
10-05-2017, 11:31 AM
It's about TIME!!!!! They should have been sanctioned years ago

ZagNation
10-05-2017, 12:10 PM
After various reports saying that the NCAA would release its report on North Carolina on Friday, the school says it is has postponed that announcement.

Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sidelines-with-john-clay/article177172861.html#storylink=cpy

CDC84
10-05-2017, 12:20 PM
It is funny, reading the comments behind the tweet, how many UNC fans/followers/supporters think that it is unfair to punish the student athletes that didn't even get the benefit of using these classes to cheat. They don't seem to understand that a 20+ year pattern of academic fraud has been inherently wrong to every other team.

Perhaps, in light of the lack of comprehension by those fans, in addition to any NCAA punishment, they should also have to relinquish being able to call themselves an academic institution. Of course, if that happened, they really wouldn't see the problem with academic fraud.

The sad thing is that the character makeup of last year's UNC team was very strong and completely different from anything associated with the Rashad McCants era. Last year's UNC players were constantly asked about the investigation, and they rightly said, "It has nothing to do with us, the players on this roster are pursuing degrees in legitimate majors, some with high GPA's."

I agree that it's wrong to punish current players who weren't involved in the mess that happened before them. That's why you allow them to immediately transfer to another program. But of course UNC fans don't want that. They want everyone to stay. But they are not likely to stay once UNC gets hammered.

Zagceo
10-05-2017, 12:50 PM
Put off


Williams, whose defending national champion Tar Heels opened practice last week, said of the federal investigation (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/acc/2017/10/03/north-carolina-coach-roy-williams-nike-never-helped-me-get-any-player/726511001/) of bribery and fraud that rocked the college basketball world and cost Rick Pitino his job at Louisville: "I know it looks really bad. ...But to paint the entire college basketball world like this I don't think it's fair either because I don't think that's what the entire college basketball world is all about. ...I think that you can't legislate honesty. You can't legislate morality. You just try to get people to do things the right way."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2017/10/05/north-carolina-ncaa-committee-infractions-decision-academic-scandal/735190001/


Little was not named in the criminal complaint released Sept. 26 by federal prosecutors in New York, but multiple reports have identified him as “Player-12.” The men charged — including Brad Augustine, who is the program director of Little’s AAU team — are alleged to have discussed a scheme in which $150,000 was to be paid to Little’s family for his commitment to “University-7,” which reportedly is Adidas-sponsored Miami, at the behest of an unnamed Hurricanes coach. There was a sense of urgency to secure Little’s services because another school — reportedly Arizona, which is sponsored by Nike — was making a similar offer to Little.

Now he's a HEEL

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/05/one-of-the-recruits-at-the-center-of-the-federal-ncaa-basketball-probe-chooses-unc/?utm_term=.1d6a54bfa914

jazzdelmar
10-05-2017, 01:59 PM
HTF does a criminal get to cancel its judgment day?

bartruff1
10-05-2017, 02:35 PM
They have a lot of scheduling conflicts....no time for the President....no time for the NCAA....they lack the embarrassment gene...

GeorgiaZagFan
10-05-2017, 09:50 PM
https://twitter.com/_andrewcarter/status/915928036775735298

.. they will be penalized with ALL wins from last year vacated!!! LOL

DixieZag
10-06-2017, 05:59 AM
Put off



https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2017/10/05/north-carolina-ncaa-committee-infractions-decision-academic-scandal/735190001/



Now he's a HEEL

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/10/05/one-of-the-recruits-at-the-center-of-the-federal-ncaa-basketball-probe-chooses-unc/?utm_term=.1d6a54bfa914

Could someone tap him on the shoulder and let him know what we all know, that we legislate morality all the time.

If we go to the courthouse (or anywhere), and punch someone in the nose, we all know how fast the state's "legislation" penalizes the immoral decision to hurt someone.

Another analogy everyone knows.

If your neighbor is a scientist for Company X, which is a penny stock, and he tells you; "Guess what? We just cured cancer, our findings will be released in 2 months" and you go sell your entire portfolio to buy Company X, everyone knows there are rules that legislate your immoral decision to enrich yourself to the disadvantage of the people that sold you that stock at a price that didn't reflect your private inside knowledge.

Dumb statement.

willandi
10-06-2017, 07:20 AM
HTF does a criminal get to cancel its judgment day?

I agree!. Also, why is there no reference to this on ESPN, CBS sports or even the NCAA website?

The NCAA needs to announce the decision...period. UNC can then bluster and file an appeal (on behalf of Pacific, I am sure). But avoid the appearance of impropriety and just announce it. Let UNC deal with their part after that.

Zagceo
10-07-2017, 10:50 AM
HTF does a criminal get to cancel its judgment day?

FUNDRAISING


The surprise didn’t last for long, however, and now it remains to be seen when the press release will take place. UNC is set to launch a major fundraising initiative tomorrow, and with events planned throughout the weekend this may have played a part in the delay, Carter reported.UNC would have had 24 hours of heads up on the press release, but may have only received the report on Thursday morning, leading to the quick back and forth of reports.

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/10/judgement-day-set-for-friday-in-uncs-academic-scandal

willandi
10-07-2017, 05:32 PM
FUNDRAISING



http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2017/10/judgement-day-set-for-friday-in-uncs-academic-scandal

Again. Why does UNC have any say so. It is the NCAA announcing the judgement.

If it is a slap on the wrist, every school sanctioned by the NCAA should file a lawsuit against the NCAA.

MDABE80
10-07-2017, 06:41 PM
With the recent bribery scandals, I have some doubts the report will be immediate and UNC penalties will be lighter than some would want. NCAA doesn't want to nor can it afford to blow itself up.

willandi
10-08-2017, 06:43 AM
With the recent bribery scandals, I have some doubts the report will be immediate and UNC penalties will be lighter than some would want. NCAA doesn't want to nor can it afford to blow itself up.

I guess it is the way they want to spin it, but every other school that they have come down on, from death penalty to loss of scholarships, to pre and post season bans will probably sue them. At least I hope they do.

One school should not be held to lower standars than ALL the others, no matter how blue their blood.

bartruff1
10-08-2017, 07:13 AM
College Basketball would get along just find without NC...they would not be missed except by their Fans and their Conference and their Sponsors ...the death penalty would be exactly the right message to send for such a major and systemic violation....

MontanaCoyote
10-08-2017, 08:55 AM
College Basketball would get along just find without NC...they would not be missed except by their Fans and their Conference and their Sponsors ...the death penalty would be exactly the right message to send for such a major and systemic violation....

Exactly!

Bogozags
10-08-2017, 01:41 PM
It is my hope that UNC receives stiff penalties but I'm sorry to say I think UNC will slip by...maybe they lose two scholarships for two years, one year post season ban and maybe the loss of two of their championship banners...then again, I could be wrong altogether...UNC is not penalized at all as the NCAA acknowledges they don't have jurisdiction over academics - just minimum GPA requirements and units completed per semester/year.

Birddog
10-08-2017, 01:50 PM
It is my hope that UNC receives stiff penalties but I'm sorry to say I think UNC will slip by...maybe they lose two scholarships for two years, one year post season ban and maybe the loss of two of their championship banners...then again, I could be wrong altogether...UNC is not penalized at all as the NCAA acknowledges they don't have jurisdiction over academics - just minimum GPA requirements and units completed per semester/year.

From an article about corruption
https://sports.yahoo.com/top-recruits-address-college-basketball-scandal-unfortunate-crazy-205510012.html


Little said UNC coach Roy Williams has insinuated to him that the Tar Heels won’t receive a significant punishment from the NCAA. He said that Williams has not told him of the specific punishment, but told him generally: “It’s not necessarily an athletic thing,” he said Williams told him. “It wasn’t just the basketball team involved in it. They’re not going to be penalized as people suggest.”

willandi
10-08-2017, 06:19 PM
Then every other team that has ever been penalized needs to sue the NCAA for lost revenue and unequal representation.

A pattern of 20+ years cheating academically is so much worse than giving a recruit a ticket home, or channeling a recruit to a prep school, or any other thing I have ever heard of.

At the very least Pacific needs to say, sorry, no way.

Zagceo
10-09-2017, 09:52 AM
Money money money


Friday’s campaign launch was almost overshadowed by a long-awaited NCAA final investigative report into UNC’s academic and athletic scandal involving African studies classes that never met. The NCAA reportedly notified parties in the case Thursday that it would announce results from the UNC case – which could include sanctions – on Friday. By late Thursday, a UNC official announced that there would be no Friday release by the NCAA’s Committee on Infractions, “due to scheduling circumstances.”UNC’s fundraising effort is the latest in a flurry of university campaigns either recently started or ended in North Carolina. N.C. State University is trying to raise $1.6 billion by the end of 2021. In June, Duke University concluded a campaign that raised $3.85 billion.
Routh said UNC’s goal would be the second-largest among U.S. public universities. The University of Washington is in the midst of a $5 billion campaign.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article177383606.html#storylink=cpy


http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article177383606.html

willandi
10-09-2017, 09:55 AM
Money money money



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/education/article177383606.html

What does their fundraising have to with the NCAA announcing punishment and sanctions?

UNC is free to fundraise all they want.

SLOZag
10-09-2017, 01:12 PM
What does their fundraising have to with the NCAA announcing punishment and sanctions? UNC is free to fundraise all they want.

Zagceo answered your post three minutes before you put it online: "Money money money"

willandi
10-09-2017, 01:32 PM
Zagceo answered your post three minutes before you put it online: "Money money money"

No, that is NOT the answer.

The NCAA needs to put on their big boy pants. They are the ones doing the punishment and sanctions. Not UNC.

soccerdud
10-09-2017, 02:31 PM
No, that is NOT the answer.

The NCAA needs to put on their big boy pants. They are the ones doing the punishment and sanctions. Not UNC.

you're new to this "NCAA" thing, aren't you?

primal23
10-09-2017, 05:04 PM
you're new to this "NCAA" thing, aren't you?

Well they do put on their big boy pants when it is a small school. They act like a bully picking on the little kids but letting the big kids do what they want.


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willandi
10-09-2017, 05:48 PM
you're new to this "NCAA" thing, aren't you?

Yep! At 69 years old and a sports fan since I saw Stan Musial and the Cards in 1954. I've been following pretty much all sports since.

Really got into college hoops when my Dad taught at Montana and watched Krystowiak come and go. Been watching since, and following the Zags since the magic in 1999.

How about you?

soccerdud
10-09-2017, 10:27 PM
Yep! At 69 years old and a sports fan since I saw Stan Musial and the Cards in 1954. I've been following pretty much all sports since.

Really got into college hoops when my Dad taught at Montana and watched Krystowiak come and go. Been watching since, and following the Zags since the magic in 1999.

How about you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech

willandi
10-10-2017, 10:01 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_speech

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.ugrusq-zfw_M91JQQsUT3gC1Bx&pid=15.1&P=0&w=181&h=113
Oh, like tongue in cheek! Sorry.

SLOZag
10-10-2017, 12:22 PM
Mods: Can you change the title of this thread to read "OT - Final UNC report/penalties to NEVER be revealed"?

Or how about "OT - Final UNC report/penalties to be revealed VERY SLOWLY"? :explode:


Thanks.

willandi
10-10-2017, 12:57 PM
Mods: Can you change the title of this thread to read "OT - Final UNC report/penalties to NEVER be revealed"?

Or how about "OT - Final UNC report/penalties to be revealed VERY SLOWLY"? :explode:


Thanks.

:o:000tens::cheers::cheers:

Martin Centre Mad Man
10-12-2017, 04:17 PM
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/21000824/north-carolina-tar-heels-get-ruling-ncaa-infractions-committee-panel-friday

bartruff1
10-12-2017, 06:12 PM
Is it any wonder that only 18% of those in a recent Pew Poll think that lawyers make a important contribution to society....that is the worst defense I have ever heard....Old Roy should go help OJ look for the real killer...apparently he is hiding on a golf course..