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kitzbuel
10-22-2007, 05:53 PM
He has GU as an 8 seed:


I'm pretty satisfied with Gonzaga as an 8 seed. They were an alright team last year, but they lost two starters, including their best player in Raivio. In fact, St. Mary's nearly beat out Gonzaga in the WCC coaches preseason poll.

http://www.basketballforum.com/bracketology/378521-preseason-bracketology.html

Does not appear the creator is particularly familiar with the new players this year.

Akzag
10-22-2007, 05:58 PM
... really going out on a limb there, isn't he ...?







note: The West-Side Huskies are also an 8-seed. That's about all you need to know.

MBZags
10-22-2007, 07:18 PM
Wow, what a joke. Seriously, putting all bias aside, that's just ridiculous.

HOOTER
10-22-2007, 07:32 PM
In other words, this basketball genius is giving the Zag's a pre-season ranking in the upper 20's to lower 30's. At least he got one thing right, the Zag's will get the auto bid.

MDABE80
10-22-2007, 08:05 PM
Look at the author's profile guy. He's a silly 20 yr old. This team is easily a Top 20 team out of the gate. If the injuries clear up, likely GU and WSU will be Top 15 by February........well at least GU will be. WSU's conference is a killer this year.l Cougs will have to play very well to be in the top 3 of the PAC.
UW has lots of talent. Guard play looks iffy if Denton plays like last year. TO me, coaching is always a big question with the Dawgs.

Back to the Zags though, there's just too much talent this year. Our biggest ( well Few's) will be to figure out who plays when and what position. If the Zags do well in the OOC, the league likely won't be a problem ( 2 losses tops!). And don't get me wrong, I don't mind an 8th seed but, to me, it's just unrealistic.

ZagManFan
10-22-2007, 10:15 PM
http://www.basketballforum.com/bracketology/378521-preseason-bracketology.html#post5037039

Looks like someone came to the rescue of the Zags!

gonzagulous
10-23-2007, 04:41 AM
He's also got UConn as a 5 seed...... Yeah. Interesting.

LongIslandZagFan
10-23-2007, 06:00 AM
Kansas State a four seed and then he has the nerve to say that some may have them as a #1??? Wow. Just Wow.

Butler Guy
10-23-2007, 06:54 AM
Have you actually ever tried to compile one of these things? It's very difficult. I think he does a fine job, for the most part. I encourage you to try and tackle this endeavor if you think it's overly easy, there is a reason an entire panel of people is needed here in Indianapolis every March to seed the Tournament.

LongIslandZagFan
10-23-2007, 07:08 AM
Have you actually ever tried to compile one of these things? It's very difficult. I think he does a fine job, for the most part. I encourage you to try and tackle this endeavor if you think it's overly easy, there is a reason an entire panel of people is needed here in Indianapolis every March to seed the Tournament.

No doubt about it being difficult. But where GU is seeded and his comments about both GU and Kansas State totally invalidates his hard work.

kitzbuel
10-23-2007, 07:59 AM
It is hard work, but the purpose of posting something like that on a board like that is to invite comments and criticism. If he keeps working on it, he will probably have something decent, probably by April; that's when most the experts finally get it right.

KSTATEZAG
10-23-2007, 08:50 AM
It is hard work, but the purpose of posting something like that on a board like that is to invite comments and criticism. If he keeps working on it, he will probably have something decent, probably by April; that's when most the experts finally get it right.

I think k-state is a number one...NIT.
I'm as big a fan as there is for the Wildcats but I don't think they have enough team talent to survive in the Big 12.

Now his screw up with the Zags is just ridiculous. I mean an 8?

coolpohle
10-31-2007, 10:59 AM
Sorry guys, I can't fully study all 335 D-1 Teams. It's just too time consuming. My bracketology rankings are based off what I think other people view of these teams, they're not my personal rankings.

As far as Gonzaga goes, well, Rivals.com ranked them 32nd in their preseason rankings. Maybe all you Gonzaga fans are loving them, but that doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same. Generally speaking, a team that's a 10 seeded team the prior year who loses their best player isn't going to start out the year as a 4 seed, plain and simple. I guess I don't know that they have a lot of new players because well, Scout.com doesn't have the Zags in their top 35 team rankings for this year's freshman class.

As far as Washington being an 8 seed, well, going back to rivals.com, they've got Washington ranked ahead of Gonzaga. So apparently, they know nothing, too? Here's a little quote from my blog about Washington: Despite losing Spencer Hawes to the NBA, this is a team that still returns four starters. Everyone knows how good of a shooter Ryan Appleby is, and the highly recruited Quincy Pondexter played pretty well as a freshman. They aren't on anyone's radar despite winning 19 games last year, including a win over UCLA to conclude the regular season. If they can improve that defense a bit, they should be a surprise team.

I don't think Kansas St. is 4 seed worthy, but they seem to be getting a lot of hype over Beasley and Walker, plus they won double digit games in the Big 12 last year. They're going to get some love.

Pick on my age all ya want, but I probably study college bball more than 95% of the people that follow the sport.

CDC84
10-31-2007, 11:24 AM
As far as Washington being an 8 seed, well, going back to rivals.com, they've got Washington ranked ahead of Gonzaga. So apparently, they know nothing, too?

Rivals has almost zero credibility after ranking UW ahead of Gonzaga. Most publications don't even have the Huskies being close to the top 25. If you take the top 12 players on each squad, most coaches would pick at least 8-9 of the Zags if they were starting a new team. The talent comparison ain't close this season. Plus, the Huskies are going to be lucky to make the NCAA's this year based on how good the Pac 10 is going to be.


As far as Gonzaga goes, well, Rivals.com ranked them 32nd in their preseason rankings. Maybe all you Gonzaga fans are loving them, but that doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same.

Rivals is one of the very, very few publications of any variety to not have the Zags in their preseason top 25. There are more folks that have the Zags in their preseason top 15 than there are folks who have Gonzaga outside of the top 25. Moreover, one of the last places on earth that I would go to for a preseason poll is a recruiting web site who has a vested interest in keeping their premium subscribers happy. Give me the Sporting News or the Blue Ribbon Yearbook, even though I will be the first one to admit that preseason polls are hardly an exact science.

DixieZag
10-31-2007, 11:48 AM
Who. . . . who has followed this program AT ALL believes we lost our best player last year? Not to be mean but I truly believe this year was more like addition by subtraction. I'll take the bigger boys more seriously, ESPN ranked them 14th in the country, sounds about right, for now.

kitzbuel
10-31-2007, 05:00 PM
Sorry guys, I can't fully study all 335 D-1 Teams. It's just too time consuming.

I'd figure you would at least look at the top 15, though.

MBZags
10-31-2007, 07:52 PM
Wait, so you're willing to use Rivals in terms of rankings, but not willing to look at them for recruiting class rank? It's just SO strange that you would pick the publications with the lowest Gonzaga rankings in each area in order to defend your ranking.

ZagManFan
10-31-2007, 11:38 PM
Pick on my age all ya want, but I probably study college bball more than 95% of the people that follow the sport.


Really? We must be the other 5% then.

Have you tried football?

Also, why are you coming onto this site defending your post? Just because 1 or 2 guys that are fans of the Zags make an argument ON YOUR SITE, you feel you must come to our site and defend yourself? All you did was wake a sleeping giant by coming over here.

So next time, instead of stepping on peoples toes, try and be man enough to take arguments for what they are....arguments.

Damn, now I am all fired up:mad:

Zagdawg
11-01-2007, 06:53 AM
Keep in mind anyone can create a blog online and post their opinions based upon a lack of research because it is too difficult to take the time to surf the web.

These type of blogs are a dime a dozen and not worth the time and effort to go read-- Other than when the Zags validate how good we all know they are by getting on the court-- then I am sure one of the Zag faithful will bring the reality check hammer down on the kid with the blog.

Either way the sun will still rise and Zags play their first game of the year in a week.

ZagManFan
11-01-2007, 11:50 AM
I don't know if any of you are watching this post on the other site, but I am LMAO. Here is a quick sum of what has gone on.





Originally Posted by coolpohle
I'll start taking you seriously when you start talking about teams other than Gonzaga.


Your a joke man. You know what, I will take you serious when...

1. You stop this ridiculous self assessment that you know more College Bball than 95% of the population.

2. You stop using Rivals for any sort source of information. They are a recruiting site and have 0 credibility IMO, much like you.

3. You can grow more facial hair than J-Lo.

ZagManFan
11-11-2007, 11:55 PM
I know, I know. Beating a dead horse, but the good news is that we are now a 5 seed. Yeaaaaaaa:)



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