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Zagdawg
06-30-2017, 08:41 PM
Isaac Johnson‏ @Isaac_Johnson33 Jun 29
Grateful to have earned a scholarship from Gonzaga University. #ZagUp

Now that I look at his post-- did he commit or did we just offer him?


http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/768316

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/b.../isaac-johnson

http://www.scout.com/college/basketb...-isaac-johnson

http://byuinsider.com/basketball/isaac-johnson/

jazzdelmar
07-01-2017, 04:39 AM
I'd prefer to believe neither......unless we are in total Back to the Future mode.

soccerdud
07-01-2017, 09:38 AM
I'd prefer to believe neither......unless we are in total Back to the Future mode.

so, you're not interested in a top-40 guy who looks like a more balanced (merely a very good [as opposed to transcendent] shooter, but way better athletically) kyle wiltjer because he's gangly and bears a passing resemblance to marty mcfly after his sophomore year of high school? not with you on this one, jazz.

the link above doesn't work for me, but here's his ESPN evaluation (http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/evaluation/_/id/216781/isaac-johnson) (requires insider). i'm not sure how we, or anyone, say no to that.

MDABE80
07-01-2017, 09:55 AM
Strengths:
He's oozing with upside and really not even yet scratching the surface of what he could be down the road. Johnson has good size, length, and a soft touch that already extends beyond the three-point line. He has the quick release to get his shot off under duress and is only going to continue to emerge as a floor-spacer and shot-maker. There's some complimenting skill as well as he shows good hands, flashes of putting the ball-on the floor, and a good instinctive feel for the game. He's fairly mobile for a guy who is still just growing into his body and able to change ends fluidly when he commits to running at full speed. He also seems competitive, as he demonstrated in match-ups against other big name players this recent winter and fall.

Weaknesses:
He's lanky right now and almost completely undeveloped physically so he's not capable of playing through much contact, especially as a rebounder of finisher. He plays too straight up and down on both ends, has a very high dribble, and needs to be more consistently engaged defensively even though he really won't have a true position on that end until he can put on significant weight. He also has a tendency to trot up and down the court instead of running hard and getting ahead of the ball.

Bottom Line:
He's a long way from being a finished product, especially physically, but has the raw tools, potential, and drive are there to develop into an elite pick-and-pop player and true match-up nightmare who can operate from the high post and various other spots on the floor.

Zagceo
07-01-2017, 10:02 AM
looks to be offer


https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2017/6/29/15894554/2019-recruiting-gonzaga-bulldogs-offer-issac-johnson-utah

23dpg
07-01-2017, 12:36 PM
Not sure why we wouldn't want this guy at Gonzaga.
Although it does seem like we've offered every kid in Utah except this guy http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/evaluation/_/id/206190/stockton-shorts

willandi
07-01-2017, 01:10 PM
Not sure why we wouldn't want this guy at Gonzaga.
Although it does seem like we've offered every kid in Utah except this guy http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/evaluation/_/id/206190/stockton-shorts

Maybe because you need a power forward at 6' 10" + to go with the 7' 4-5"+ center.

Those 2 would be the start of another BIG frontline. He is one of the top players in Utah, Top 15 PF nationally and top 75 in his class, again nationally. I expect he will improve as well, maybe get Travis to work him over, although Collins showed that overall size isn't everything.

23dpg
07-01-2017, 01:12 PM
Maybe because you need a power forward at 6' 10" + to go with the 7' 4-5"+ center.

Those 2 would be the start of another BIG frontline. He is one of the top players in Utah, Top 15 PF nationally and top 75 in his class, again nationally. I expect he will improve as well, maybe get Travis to work him over, although Collins showed that overall size isn't everything.

I said "I'm not sure why we Wouldn't want him".

willandi
07-01-2017, 01:54 PM
I said "I'm not sure why we Wouldn't want him".

Sorry...I miss read. I think most schools would want him. The choice is, does he want to stay close to home, does he want to be warm or does he want to go to where Basketball is THE game in town.

Does he want to go to school, or be part of a huge extended family, and still go to school with the end being one of the best diplomas around.

ZionZag
07-01-2017, 07:03 PM
Not sure why we wouldn't want this guy at Gonzaga.
Although it does seem like we've offered every kid in Utah except this guy http://insider.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/evaluation/_/id/206190/stockton-shorts

Did ya check out Short's middle name?

Zagceo
07-01-2017, 08:53 PM
Why Not Ask.......if I offer you.........Player X.....will you accept?

JPtheBeasta
07-02-2017, 07:03 AM
Have we offered any Haws brothers yet?

The staff seem to be taste makers at times, with bigger schools recruiting players after they get offered by GU. Similarly, the Zags have to offer kids speculatively when they are skilled but haven't developed physically yet. My basketball mantra "In Few I Trust" will continue for a while longer.

Reborn
07-02-2017, 01:05 PM
Why would we not want Isaac Johnson? 4 star player. Ranked 13th best power forward in the country. And top 70th best player in the country. I liked his speed and quickness for being 6' 10". You also don't see a lot of 6 10 players who can put the ball on the floor and shoot the pull up (or mid-range) jump shot. His dribbling is shaky at this point but at least he's using the dribble successfully to get past his defender and score points.If Johnson is the 13th best power forward in this class, with the help of coaches and trainers he will end up in the top 5, imo.

TexasZagFan
07-02-2017, 01:19 PM
Strengths:
He's oozing with upside and really not even yet scratching the surface of what he could be down the road. Johnson has good size, length, and a soft touch that already extends beyond the three-point line. He has the quick release to get his shot off under duress and is only going to continue to emerge as a floor-spacer and shot-maker. There's some complimenting skill as well as he shows good hands, flashes of putting the ball-on the floor, and a good instinctive feel for the game. He's fairly mobile for a guy who is still just growing into his body and able to change ends fluidly when he commits to running at full speed. He also seems competitive, as he demonstrated in match-ups against other big name players this recent winter and fall.

Weaknesses:
He's lanky right now and almost completely undeveloped physically so he's not capable of playing through much contact, especially as a rebounder of finisher. He plays too straight up and down on both ends, has a very high dribble, and needs to be more consistently engaged defensively even though he really won't have a true position on that end until he can put on significant weight. He also has a tendency to trot up and down the court instead of running hard and getting ahead of the ball.

Bottom Line:
He's a long way from being a finished product, especially physically, but has the raw tools, potential, and drive are there to develop into an elite pick-and-pop player and true match-up nightmare who can operate from the high post and various other spots on the floor.

Zags need to keep stressing the benefits of working with Travis Knight...would a call from Kelly, NWG, etc. be a recruiting violation?

Reborn
07-02-2017, 02:05 PM
It doesn't hurt that Jesse Wade is a Zag.

thespywhozaggedme
07-02-2017, 02:14 PM
It doesn't hurt that Jesse Wade is a Zag.

I'm sorry, I don't follow. What does Wade have to do with Johnson? Thanks

MDABE80
07-02-2017, 02:17 PM
Both basketball players from Utah where 2 years ago Jesse was named a a POY type kid. Broke most of the guard scoring records as I recall. I'm pretty sure people there know of Jesse. Anything else you have in mind Spy?

23dpg
07-02-2017, 03:55 PM
It doesn't hurt that Jesse Wade is a Zag.

I agree. Before Jesse I thought it was impossible to pull LDS kids out of Utah. I know we offered him a scholly before BYU as they were hot on Frank Jackson. Not sure if the Utes ever got involved.

Now I merely think it's unlikely, but possible.

Zagdawg
07-05-2017, 08:35 AM
http://www.scout.com/college/gonzaga/story/1789256-gonzaga-offers-isaac-johnson

thespywhozaggedme
07-05-2017, 09:00 AM
Both basketball players from Utah where 2 years ago Jesse was named a a POY type kid. Broke most of the guard scoring records as I recall. I'm pretty sure people there know of Jesse. Anything else you have in mind Spy?

Ah, I had confused with the other Johnson kid that we're recruiting, the brother of Tyler Johnson of the Heat from California.

cggonzaga
07-05-2017, 06:16 PM
http://www.scout.com/college/gonzaga/story/1789256-gonzaga-offers-isaac-johnson

Sounds like a good kid. I think he's being very mature with his recruitment. Hope we land him even though we wouldn't see him until 2021.

btzag
07-05-2017, 07:38 PM
Yeah this seems like the high level type kid who could choose the Zags. Really hope we land him...though would be a 2021 kid.

zag67
07-05-2017, 08:05 PM
I also hope that we get him. But we are starting to get to the point where I have to start wondering if I will be here by the time they get here. At 72, we are now starting to get up there. (some humor has to be added to the summer) Yes, I really do want him and he looks good for being a sophomore in HS. Go Zags.

thebigsmoove
07-06-2017, 06:07 AM
Not sure why people were mentioning top 70, hes ranked in the top 30s at Rivals, Scout, and 24/7 sports. Seems weird a kid ranked so highly has so many people down on him. I think he would be an excellent signee if he decided to come to Gonzaga.

Zagdawg
07-06-2017, 06:17 AM
I think everyone in the thread said they would want him but one poster-- he would be a great addition to the team and he is only going to get better.

Coach Crazy
07-06-2017, 07:23 AM
Not sure why people were mentioning top 70, hes ranked in the top 30s at Rivals, Scout, and 24/7 sports. Seems weird a kid ranked so highly has so many people down on him. I think he would be an excellent signee if he decided to come to Gonzaga.

I don't pay much heed to rankings from those services. They get some better than ESPN (ESPN really underrated Corey at the end, there)

But for the most part, ESPN does a better job.


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WallaWallaZag
07-06-2017, 08:33 AM
I don't pay much heed to rankings from those services. They get some better than ESPN (ESPN really underrated Corey at the end, there) But for the most part, ESPN does a better job.

247 does a much better job with internationals though...espn doesn't even look in that direction which kind of makes them behind the times in this day and age...

thebigsmoove
07-06-2017, 09:01 AM
I don't pay much heed to rankings from those services. They get some better than ESPN (ESPN really underrated Corey at the end, there)

But for the most part, ESPN does a better job.


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I really disagree on this point. I think Scout and 24/7 are leaps and bounds better. ESPN really only looks at mainstream recruits, they rarely pay attention to the lower ranked guys. Some times we wont even see offers/commits show up for months. Its kinda sad actually.

kitzbuel
07-06-2017, 09:05 AM
Strengths:
He's oozing with upside and really not even yet scratching the surface of what he could be down the road. Johnson has good size, length, and a soft touch that already extends beyond the three-point line. He has the quick release to get his shot off under duress and is only going to continue to emerge as a floor-spacer and shot-maker. There's some complimenting skill as well as he shows good hands, flashes of putting the ball-on the floor, and a good instinctive feel for the game. He's fairly mobile for a guy who is still just growing into his body and able to change ends fluidly when he commits to running at full speed. He also seems competitive, as he demonstrated in match-ups against other big name players this recent winter and fall.

Weaknesses:
He's lanky right now and almost completely undeveloped physically so he's not capable of playing through much contact, especially as a rebounder of finisher. He plays too straight up and down on both ends, has a very high dribble, and needs to be more consistently engaged defensively even though he really won't have a true position on that end until he can put on significant weight. He also has a tendency to trot up and down the court instead of running hard and getting ahead of the ball.

Bottom Line:
He's a long way from being a finished product, especially physically, but has the raw tools, potential, and drive are there to develop into an elite pick-and-pop player and true match-up nightmare who can operate from the high post and various other spots on the floor.
If he does go on a mission, that lankiness won't be a problem. Those couple of years should really let the rest of his body catch up. It didn't hurt Mika at all.

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thebigsmoove
07-06-2017, 09:10 AM
Case in point:

Where is Brock Ravet?

http://i.imgur.com/OocWF5M.jpg

and their offers page is even worse...

where is Matt Van Komen? Where is Isaac Johnson? Where is Andrew Nembhard?

http://i.imgur.com/QosxLks.jpg

cggonzaga
07-06-2017, 10:16 AM
I really disagree on this point. I think Scout and 24/7 are leaps and bounds better. ESPN really only looks at mainstream recruits, they rarely pay attention to the lower ranked guys. Some times we wont even see offers/commits show up for months. Its kinda sad actually.

I agree smoove. ESPN does really well with top 100 kids but that's it. If a player doesn't make their initial top 100 it seems like it's very hard for anybody else to crack the top 100.

JPtheBeasta
07-06-2017, 11:30 AM
Isn't the ranking system relying very heavily on AAU these days? If you aren't playing in these sponsored tournaments across the country you have a high chance of flying under the radar, it seems to me.

Zagdawg
07-06-2017, 12:45 PM
I like the idea that he will go on a mission -- some teams may not be as flexible as Gonzaga around this -- we have the spot open --might as well fill it with a very good future player.

thebigsmoove
07-06-2017, 01:05 PM
I like the idea that he will go on a mission -- some teams may not be as flexible as Gonzaga around this -- we have the spot open --might as well fill it with a very good future player.

Kinda the Collegiate version of stashing a player overseas, so to speak, lol.

Coach Crazy
07-06-2017, 06:21 PM
Case in point:

Where is Brock Ravet?

http://i.imgur.com/OocWF5M.jpg

and their offers page is even worse...

where is Matt Van Komen? Where is Isaac Johnson? Where is Andrew Nembhard?

http://i.imgur.com/QosxLks.jpg

Scout has regional coverage. It's strength is not its national system. Top 100 on Scout means nothing.

Plus, you're talking about 2019 kids. Some are far from what they'll be.



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thebigsmoove
07-07-2017, 04:21 AM
Scout has regional coverage. It's strength is not its national system. Top 100 on Scout means nothing.

Plus, you're talking about 2019 kids. Some are far from what they'll be.



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Their top 100 isnt that far removed from ESPNs top 100, they pay attention to the same AAU circuits. And ESPN not paying attention to recruiting news is to be excused because its for 2019? Im sorry, dont see your logic here.

zagsfanforlife
07-07-2017, 10:26 PM
Scout has regional coverage. It's strength is not its national system. Top 100 on Scout means nothing.

Plus, you're talking about 2019 kids. Some are far from what they'll be.



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Regarding Brock Ravet--- i talked to a scout who has seen Brock play a few times in person--- a guy that i trust with more basketball knowledge than most-- and he said Brock is the real deal and will be the next Zag great guard. Wasnt a fan of the signing, and didnt even bring up Brock-- but he said-- you watch.. this kid can really play and is an absolute steal for GU. Got me excited about him

Dee Scott
07-17-2017, 02:51 PM
Isaac Johnson‏ @Isaac_Johnson33 Jun 29
Grateful to have earned a scholarship from Gonzaga University. #ZagUp

Now that I look at his post-- did he commit or did we just offer him?


http://www.courtsidefilms.com/news_article/show/768316

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/b.../isaac-johnson

http://www.scout.com/college/basketb...-isaac-johnson

http://byuinsider.com/basketball/isaac-johnson/


https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrT6V4KP21Z1HQAK2QnnIlQ?p=isaac+johns on+american+fork&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&fr2=piv-web&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001#id=1&vid=aef41c344e36fa1f2801578068dd652e&action=view

Dee Scott
07-17-2017, 02:52 PM
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrT6V4KP21Z1HQAK2QnnIlQ?p=isaac+johns on+american+fork&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&fr2=piv-web&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001#id=1&vid=aef41c344e36fa1f2801578068dd652e&action=view

cggonzaga
07-17-2017, 05:26 PM
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrT6V4KP21Z1HQAK2QnnIlQ?p=isaac+johns on+american+fork&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&fr2=piv-web&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001#id=1&vid=aef41c344e36fa1f2801578068dd652e&action=view

I've noticed a lot of recruits are using this language now when they've been offered a scholarship.