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ZagNative
06-26-2017, 03:19 PM
Killian and Rui are both on deck for the FIBA U-19 World Cup in Cairo starting Saturday July 1.

Tournament Website (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017)

Here's the schedule for the preliminary rounds:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Screenprints/Screenshot%2044.png_zpsdhahgcew.jpg

France plays a friendly against the USA this Thursday.

Should be fun. Killian is killing it so far. He's the MVP of this week's tournament in Troys, France.

Google translation of today's story of a win over Lithuania (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bebasket.fr%2Fchampionnat-jeunes%2Fu19--m----victoire-des-bleus-contre-la-lituanie.html) in the final event of the tourney.


http://images.bebasket.fr/actualites/article/2017/u19--m----victoire-des-bleus-contre-la-lituanie.jpg
The France U19 team finished the tournament in Troyes with a 70-59 victory against Lithuania on Monday night. Killian Tillie is elected MVP. Auspicious before the world.

Everything is certainly not perfect, but the record is there. Three matches and as many victories for the Bleuets, who won the tournament of Troyes. In the room of Saint-Julien-les-Villas, where about 300 curious people had gathered, France U19 defeated Lithuania 70-59 after dominating both Canada and Spain. Killian Tillie is named MVP of this friendly tournament. Cairo, Egypt, a few days before the start of the World Cup (July 1 to 9).

Tchouaffé found

As the day before the Spaniards , players Hervé Coudray made a first difference from the outset. Tough defense, applied in attack, the Blues spent a 13-0 to start, with 11 points a Bathist Tchouaffé boiled behind the bow (3/3), to lead 21-12 at the end of the first quarter. The back of Nanterre finished with 19 points in total, including 5/5 to 3-points, 4 rebounds and 3 assists.

"This tournament has allowed some of them to regain confidence," coach Hervé Coudray said at the end of the game, "I think of Bathiste Chouaffé, who finished two good matches while he was looking for Ukraine . "It's good for the team, because it's one of the players we're counting on. We're starting to use it well, and he's taking responsibility."

This last encounter was not always as good as the first quarter, with difficulties especially on the opposing press and a defense that has sometimes relaxed. But when things are worse, the Blues can count on a Killian Tillie (photo) capable of feeding the brand when the Blues were to the trouble.

Tillie boss size

The inside of Gonzaga finished with 15 points to 5/7, 3 rebounds and 4 assists. It was also he who came to kill the match at the end of the game, free throws and then a move while touching down position.


"I love playing with this team," he explained smiling after the meeting, "between two stretches." It's easy to evolve with these guys, nobody plays for his apple. I have more minutes, more responsibilities, and it is a role that I love and that I take with pleasure. "

n the ranks of the satisfactions, one can also note the contribution of Digué Diawara (7 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists) in the third quarter, precious in attack, where his mid-range shots did good, Where he limited the excellent Arnas Kulboka (20 points including 15 at halftime, 7 rebounds). Pierre Hannequin , 10 points in 12 minutes, made him speak his address at a crucial moment, straddling the third and fourth quarter time.

Les Bleuets will take off tomorrow from Roissy to Cairo, where they will arrive in the early evening. They will play a final match Thursday against the United States, before starting their World Cup on Saturday against Argentina.

Mojo13
06-26-2017, 03:48 PM
France and USA should be the two top teams I think.
USA is relatively weak with not allot of their top talent for this age group. Usually that doesn't matter because of the USA's ridiculous depth. You send a C team and it usually wins easily, but USA has lost before at this tournament so nothing is given.


It is a crying shame for Canada - we have a tremendous talent pool for this age group but this team is missing 7 or 8 of its top ten players unfortunately. With our top talent we may have had a shot at beating the USA - probably not, but no way now. At the u18 FIBA Americas last summer with an incomplete roster we were leading the USA in Q3 (a rare thing indeed). A full team and we could have done it. Lots of politicking with Canada Basketball which has turned off many top players.

We still have a few great players - Rowan Barrett Jr may be the best player in the tournament and he is only 17. Lindell Wigginton (Iowa St) will be an excellent NCAA player as well. But we got nothing inside.

I'll be pretty happy if we can get Top 4 - but what could have been if we had a few more of Simi Shi-tu, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Nikel Alexander Walker, Emmanuel Akot, Ignus Bradzeikis, Lugentz Dort, Oshae Brissett, Marcus Carr, Howard Washington and a few others....

Last time and only time we placed was a bronze medal team lead by Kevin Pangos. Lost to Shem in the semi's I think.

ZagNative
06-26-2017, 03:55 PM
Mojo, it will be nice to have you on board during the tourney to provide extra insight into Canada's performance. It's strange not to have any Zags playing for them this summer in the U-19's.

Hoopaholic
06-26-2017, 04:40 PM
Anyone know if any games on tv?

OntZags
06-26-2017, 04:55 PM
France and USA should be the two top teams I think.
USA is relatively weak with not allot of their top talent for this age group. Usually that doesn't matter because of the USA's ridiculous depth. You send a C team and it usually wins easily, but USA has lost before at this tournament so nothing is given.


It is a crying shame for Canada - we have a tremendous talent pool for this age group but this team is missing 7 or 8 of its top ten players unfortunately. With our top talent we may have had a shot at beating the USA - probably not, but no way now. At the u18 FIBA Americas last summer with an incomplete roster we were leading the USA in Q3 (a rare thing indeed). A full team and we could have done it. Lots of politicking with Canada Basketball which has turned off many top players.

We still have a few great players - Rowan Barrett Jr may be the best player in the tournament and he is only 17. Lindell Wigginton (Iowa St) will be an excellent NCAA player as well. But we got nothing inside.

I'll be pretty happy if we can get Top 4 - but what could have been if we had a few more of Simi Shi-tu, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Nikel Alexander Walker, Emmanuel Akot, Ignus Bradzeikis, Lugentz Dort, Oshae Brissett, Marcus Carr, Howard Washington and a few others....

Last time and only time we placed was a bronze medal team lead by Kevin Pangos. Lost to Shem in the semi's I think.

I agree Canada is missing too many top guys to win the tourney but they are still very strong. They beat Lithuania & Spain by an average of ~20 points and lost to France in France by only 6. They are still dangerous and - though he is young - Barrett is probably the most talented player in the tourney.

soccerdud
06-26-2017, 05:00 PM
barrett got an offer list yet?

edit: lol, shoulda googled first. according to both 247 sports and espn, he's the #1 overall prospect in 2019, and his list is basically everyone. i retract my idiot question.

hopefully this can be useful for anyone else who saw the previous posts and was curious who this kid is.

thespywhozaggedme
06-26-2017, 05:48 PM
Didn't Rui have a monster game, like 35 points in a pre tourney friendly against Germany? He may be the leading score of this tournament

btzag
06-26-2017, 06:39 PM
Can't wait to see that front line of Rui, Tillie and Williams!

ZagNative
06-27-2017, 01:45 PM
Google translation of outcome of tourney in Troyes from the French National Team Website includes the roster and a great pic of Tillie: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.ffbb.com/trois-sur-troyes&prev=search


http://www.ffbb.com/sites/default/files/eurou18masculin2015p_preview_0.jpg

The French U19 team completed its preparation in France with 3 victories at the Troyes Tournament. At the end of these meetings, Herve Coudray unveiled the list of 12 players selected to participate in the World Cup which starts this Saturday July 1st in Cairo (Egypt).

It all started on Saturday with Canada. On this meeting, the lost balls were a real problem for the French. But the problem was solved, and the French iron defense allowed them to return to the game and pass in front to finish a 70-64 win. Killian Tillie was the top scorer of the game, with 19 points to his credit.

The Blues chained the next day against Spain. The French U19 team won the match 70-56. At that meeting, the U19s delivered an applied basketball. They controlled rebounds and lost balls. Killian Tillie again scored twelve points. But the brand is well distributed, with 7 players finishing at seven points and more.

Finally, the French team faced Lithuania yesterday. A match that also succeeded to the Blues, since they won 70 - 59, their defense literally stifling the Lithuanians. Killian Tillie finished top scorer with 15 points and was logically elected MVP of the tournament.

Hervé Coudray, then revealed the list of 12 players selected to play the World Cup in Cairo (July 1 to 9, 2017)

thebigsmoove
06-28-2017, 04:28 AM
Was Joel Ayayi too young for this team?

GoZags
06-28-2017, 04:40 AM
Was Joel Ayayi too young for this team?

Correct. This article (a couple of weeks old) has Joel on the preliminary U18 French squad.
http://www.fiba.com/europe/u18/2017/news/hoard-believes-team-chemistry-will-help-france-in-hunt-for-repeat

Mojo13
06-28-2017, 09:51 AM
Didn't Rui have a monster game, like 35 points in a pre tourney friendly against Germany? He may be the leading score of this tournament

I am with you on that guess. By far the best player on a "meh" team usually is the highest scorer.
Rui Hachimura with a ridiculous game; 35 points, 10 rebounds and 4/6 from three vs Germany in a loss. Germany is 5-1 in prelim games - they will be good too.




As for broadcasting look to the FIBA YouTube channel as they are doing a good job at streaming most of these tournaments.
https://www.youtube.com/user/FIBAWorld

It looks like all the games will be streamed live and then available for on demand viewing if you miss it.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCXERy73Oiz9xufBaGHuf9SsuFWE6bxA7

Enjoy!

Mojo13
06-28-2017, 09:59 AM
And Rowan Barrett Jr is a tough one for me. He is by far our best prospect since Wiggins (maybe better) but he is the source of much of the politicking.
His Pops (Rowan Barrett Sr.) is the Asst GM of Canada Basketball and seems to have created a wedge by favoring his son and his AAU team (uPlay) over the traditional power house CIA Bounce.
I keep hearing load of our other top prospects (and/or their handlers) are turned off by Canada Basketball's management (Barrett Sr.), the coaching staff and some supposedly don't want to play with "certain players".

It is a shame as by all accounts Barrett Jr is a great kid and a phenom prospect, but the darn adults around him and the other top prospects cant get along.

Oh the drama....

ZagNative
06-29-2017, 02:28 PM
The games look to be available to watch live on the FIBA site: http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos

ZagNative
06-29-2017, 02:32 PM
Mojo, as far back as I can remember, basketball on the Canadian national teams has always seemed to involve a lot of bickering and politicking. What's up with that? Is my memory correct?

kitzbuel
06-29-2017, 03:34 PM
And Rowan Barrett Jr is a tough one for me. He is by far our best prospect since Wiggins (maybe better) but he is the source of much of the politicking.
His Pops (Rowan Barrett Sr.) is the Asst GM of Canada Basketball and seems to have created a wedge by favoring his son and his AAU team (uPlay) over the traditional power house CIA Bounce.
I keep hearing load of our other top prospects (and/or their handlers) are turned off by Canada Basketball's management (Barrett Sr.), the coaching staff and some supposedly don't want to play with "certain players".

It is a shame as by all accounts Barrett Jr is a great kid and a phenom prospect, but the darn adults around him and the other top prospects cant get along.

Oh the drama....
It appears that he does play for his apple.

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ZagMan in Philly
06-30-2017, 06:59 AM
The Zags dynamic Duo, good luck in the tourney boys, and light up the score board!!

https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/880728370312597504

jazzdelmar
06-30-2017, 07:03 AM
Notice Rui is headlined along with other top players on opening page graphic.

ZagMan in Philly
06-30-2017, 08:07 AM
Notice Rui is headlined along with other top players on opening page graphic.

Jazz, we have two of the five studs.

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/news/five-players-to-watch-at-fiba-u19-basketball-world-cup-2017

thespywhozaggedme
06-30-2017, 08:15 AM
The Zags dynamic Duo, good luck in the tourney boys, and light up the score board!!

https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/880728370312597504

look at the racist comments from the Euros, smh. I go to some international bball sites and the euro posters are cringe worthy racist.

jazzdelmar
06-30-2017, 08:41 AM
look at the racist comments from the Euros, smh. I go to some international bball sites and the euro posters are cringe worthy racist.

My reaction as well...Sure hope we don't see that kind of soft racism or ethno-typing here next season.....Geez.

Mojo13
06-30-2017, 12:56 PM
Mojo, as far back as I can remember, basketball on the Canadian national teams has always seemed to involve a lot of bickering and politicking. What's up with that? Is my memory correct?


You memory is correct unfortunately. It goes back as far as I have direct experience (the late 80s)
And likely well before that. We had our hopes up when Steve Nash was named GM and Barrett the Assistant GM. However Nash is a figurehead at best and not really involved and Barrett seemingly has just become another problem.

Our Coaching has sucked for a long time - Triano is terrible and Rautins before him was one of the worst coaches ever. But we gotta hire Canadians right!

Canada Basketball (a gov't funded entity) has a long history of nepotism and this socialist tinged overriding quest for domestic equality/participation at the expense of results/efficiency at the international level. Their is not much money to go around, so it doesn't attract top talented minds and they are infected with too many lifelong useless bureaucrats making decisions driven by protecting their little kingdoms of dirt over the good of a National Team program. It is a rot that infects most of the national sports programs and the reason Canada typically under-preforms in sports relative to its wealth/first world development (hockey excluded of course). Soccer is hugely popular in Canada yet we can't get past the opening rounds of CONCACAF. Its been almost a half century of losing to garbage countries like Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador, Jamaica and Trinidad.Sports nationalism is not really a big thing in Canada (besides hockey) and we don't see the sponsorship dollars, media coverage or mass public interest in other sports at the national team level. It hurts the program as we can't attract top coaching talent and weak minded bureaucrats end up pulling the strings and pissing off our top talent. Canada's identity is too tied to hockey, a sport not much of the rest of the world cares much about. It takes too much attention, media coverage, sponsorship dollars away from other sports like basketball/soccer.

I can go on and on, but that gives a quick look of my hot take.

Mojo13
06-30-2017, 01:10 PM
look at the racist comments from the Euros, smh. I go to some international bball sites and the euro posters are cringe worthy racist.

Yes it is quite interesting to see. It seems it is more prominent in the Mediterranean counties - Greece, Turkey, Balkans etc. They are quite obsessed over African heritage basketball players and their supposed genetic advantages/disadvantages relative to causation European players.

Americans have this view that European counties have better race relations than the USA. It is very untrue. Many European counties basically segregate their immigrant populations into defined ghettos in the suburbs of big cities. You don't see anywhere near the integration of visible minorities immigrants in Europe as you do in the US. It is something Americans should be proud of, especially how it is so contrary to the picture today's media and identity politics proponents like to paint.

kitzbuel
06-30-2017, 01:23 PM
My reaction as well...Sure hope we don't see that kind of soft racism or ethno-typing here next season.....Geez.

That being said, Rui's background was a topic of substantial discussion on this board. People were curious. And as far as I have been able to tell, Rui is pretty proud of his Beninese heritage.

VinnyZag
06-30-2017, 02:18 PM
Meehan wrote (http://http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/jun/30/gonzagas-tillie-hachimura-take-games-to-u19-world-/#/0)about Hachimura and Tillie playing with their national junior teams this summer. Interestingly, Lloyd seems highly positive about the experience they will gain by playing in actual games versus working out on campus.

MDABE80
06-30-2017, 02:58 PM
Maybe with Rui , Tillie and. J3 down low, maybe we can finally admit Few and staff know what they're doing;) Going to be an exciting season!

ZagNative
06-30-2017, 03:11 PM
Oops! Photobucket no longer offers unlimited free photo hosting, so the image of the schedule above no longer displays. Shoot! They now are demanding a membership fee of $400 for accounts that allow 3rd party web hosting. Dang...

MDABE80
06-30-2017, 03:13 PM
nope

ZagNative
06-30-2017, 03:27 PM
Okay, I'm trying Imageshack. Does the table show now?

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/978x279q90/922/ENpZ7c.jpg

Zagdawg
06-30-2017, 04:16 PM
Yes

ZagNative
06-30-2017, 04:26 PM
YesHooray!

Zags_Fanatic
06-30-2017, 11:19 PM
http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/news/five-players-to-watch-at-fiba-u19-basketball-world-cup-2017

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 02:23 AM
http://www.fiba.com/api/img/graphic/9bd29972-47e9-432b-a192-bbb03f584bb2/1000/1000?mt=.jpg

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 02:26 AM
Live feed of Japan vs. Spain, http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos/Japan-v-Spain-Live-FIBA-U19-Basketball-World-Cup-2017

Rangerzag
07-01-2017, 02:32 AM
Okay, I'm trying Imageshack. Does the table show now?

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/978x279q90/922/ENpZ7c.jpg

Rui at 4:15 am

Tillie at 6:15 am


http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/games#

Jstock12
07-01-2017, 03:33 AM
Rui at 4:15 am

Tillie at 6:15 am


http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/games#

Rui with 3 points, 4 rebounds and an assist in only 7 minutes. Doing good so far! Leading against Spain :)

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 03:34 AM
Rui going out with 2 fouls late in 1st Q.

Jstock12
07-01-2017, 03:38 AM
Rui going out with 2 fouls late in 1st Q.

Looking at the location in your profile... Are you in the arena by any chance?

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 03:39 AM
I'm not...though it looks like there are a few free seats. I plan to go up later in the week to catch some of the games. I'll represent with some Zag gear when there.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 03:50 AM
Rui picks up 3rd foul. 5:49 left in 2Q.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 03:56 AM
Rui keeping Japan in it...floater and a 3.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 04:00 AM
Japan's game strategy is hard to understand. They take so many bad shots (long, off-balance 3s, runner, etc.) and Spain can't defend Rui off the dribble at all. If they isolated him on the wing and had their shooters (who seems to be everyone but Rui) move to spot up positions when their defender helps off, they'd get open shot after open shot and Rui would probably shoot 30 FTs.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 04:03 AM
Japan with little run at end of half with Rui on bench. Trail 35-33 at halftime.

Bogozags
07-01-2017, 04:11 AM
Japan's game strategy is hard to understand. They take so many bad shots (long, off-balance 3s, runner, etc.) and Spain can't defend Rui off the dribble at all. If they isolated him on the wing and had their shooters (who seems to be everyone but Rui) move to spot up positions when their defender helps off, they'd get open shot after open shot and Rui would probably shoot 30 FTs.

Not sure I see nor understand their offence but as you stated, they take a ton of bad shots...maybe they wouldn't be bad shots if they made two or three of them...not much offence outside of Rui...they need one or two other players to score taking the pressure off of Rui. Also, there were a couple of shooting fouls that were waved off on Rui...

Let's see if they can make proper adjustments on both ends of the court...JPN, IMO can win this game with a little bit of luck having he ball bounce better in JPN's favor

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 04:33 AM
56-50 Spain at end of 3Q.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 04:47 AM
Japan hanging around, but missed FTs are hurting them in 4Q.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 05:04 AM
Japan falls to Spain 78-67.

jazzdelmar
07-01-2017, 05:11 AM
Rui 20 and 10

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 05:21 AM
The downside were Rui's 7 TOs and the team shooting 44% from foul line.

OntZags
07-01-2017, 05:21 AM
Rui's gotta be better at the line (3/8) but going 3/3 from three is an encouraging sign. If he's hitting threes at a nice clip next season he is going to be a hell of a defensive assignment.

Good result for Japan. Realistically the best the team can hope for is to hang around and be reasonably competitive with Spain & Canada and then get a win against Mali. So far so good.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 05:31 AM
Tillie with a 3 and a dunk early.

Bogozags
07-01-2017, 05:33 AM
France Early 10-6
Tillie...
2-3 -5pts
2 TO's
1 Steal
1 PF

Interesting rules with regards to rebound by offence, shot clock only resets to 14 seconds vice a full 24 and the same also on a jump ball won by offence no matter where the shot clock might be...

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 05:41 AM
21-8 France after 1Q. Killing Argentina on offensive glass.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 05:52 AM
France running away 31-12. Their zone offense is great to watch. Ball moves quickly side to side, in and out, players cut, flash and spot up, and the ball almost never touches the deck. If I were Argentina, I'd switch to man and, at least, try and improve the defensive rebounding or this is going to get really ugly.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 06:18 AM
France 39-23 at half.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 07:16 AM
62-53 final score for France. Tillie with 9 pts and 9 rebounds. 5 TOs however.

azzagfan
07-01-2017, 07:19 AM
Ousmane Traore of Mali with stat line of the day so far. 1 for 23 from the field including 1 for 16 from 3 vs, Canada.

Bogozags
07-01-2017, 07:41 AM
62-53 final score for France. Tillie with 9 pts and 9 rebounds. 5 TOs however.

It appeared as though his timing was off the entire game...couldn't get in the flow of the game...missed layups, rebounds, defence was not were it could have been...I'm sure he will only improve in the next game as it is evident, he is an integral part on both ends of the court...

ZagNative
07-01-2017, 08:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzJBofDLBD0

Zagdawg
07-01-2017, 08:23 AM
http://imageshack.com/a/img923/517/yWBjT2.png


http://imageshack.com/a/img924/375/m31tc6.png


https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/881183522085629952

bballbeachbum
07-01-2017, 08:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzJBofDLBD0

thanks for the link
fun!

ZagNative
07-01-2017, 08:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkChaJTlShA

Zagdawg
07-01-2017, 08:38 AM
http://i.imgur.com/7qdpcKA.png (http://imgur.com/7qdpcKA)

http://i.imgur.com/brs500e.png (http://imgur.com/brs500e)


Figured out a new image hosting site due to Photobuckets changes-- I moved to http://imgur.com/


Zagnative-- your private messages are full.

ZagNative
07-01-2017, 09:05 AM
Zagnative-- your private messages are full.Cleaned it out.

Zagdawg
07-01-2017, 09:51 AM
https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/881193154514432000

Worthington
07-01-2017, 10:00 AM
Obviously very encouraged by Rui's performances, but thing always sticks out to me when watching him play...he really only attacks in straight lines. He's strong enough and his strides are so long that he often can get where he wants to go, but he really needs to add some shake to his game if he's going to excel at the three spot. When he does try to jab and rip through in the other direction, he usually gets himself off balance. I think it's partially because his feet are so large, but it appears that he needs to add some strength to his lower half. He's doing tons of great stuff on the court, this is just my overly-analytical comment for the day :p

ZagNative
07-01-2017, 10:05 AM
I like this photo from the FIBA photo collection:

http://www.fiba.com/api/img/graphic/c4ca9938-f768-44df-825b-de7ebaecbbe6/1000/1000?mt=.jpg

bballbeachbum
07-01-2017, 10:17 AM
Obviously very encouraged by Rui's performances, but thing always sticks out to me when watching him play...he really only attacks in straight lines. He's strong enough and his strides are so long that he often can get where he wants to go, but he really needs to add some shake to his game if he's going to excel at the three spot. When he does try to jab and rip through in the other direction, he usually gets himself off balance. I think it's partially because his feet are so large, but it appears that he needs to add some strength to his lower half. He's doing tons of great stuff on the court, this is just my over-analytical comment for the day :p

fun game to watch, I see what you're seeing too. he moves like a puppy out there, know what I mean? some fundamental stuff with his feet crossing and arms sort of flopping around his sides, kind of skipping more than shuffling in the athletic position, stuff like that. all coachable stuff, his post D too he can continue to improve like defending before the catch. stuff to watch him add as he evolves.
he's great in the open floor, nice stroke, can finish at the rim, some skills 1v1 defending on the perimeter, and he was facing Spain's concerted effort to stop him when he was on the floor as the best athlete without question, which contained him today.
anyway, just my over-analytical comment for the day. looking forward to watching him develop the next few years with that awesome athleticism he possesses

MDABE80
07-01-2017, 10:20 AM
He needs to develop further. He's using his superior HS skills and athleticism to get by. Some guys can do that. Not for long against a stiff defense and equal athleticism. He could be sensational. Takes work. A lot of work.

bballbeachbum
07-01-2017, 10:34 AM
From FIBA site, Rui highlights from the game

Rui Hachimura (20pts, 10reb) shows he can do it all vs Spain!

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos/Rui-Hachimura-20pts-10reb-outperforms-vs-Spain

Reborn
07-01-2017, 11:20 AM
I love to watch him dribble up court with speed. He runs like a tiger searching for his prey, eyes wide open, so focussed. What an athlete. I also love his speed; so quick and fast, even with the ball in his hand. He looks more like a 3 than a post player. However, he can be an excellent Stretch Four. I see him playing the 3 and 4. I think he'll be coming off the bench next year, and will be everything Collins was last year and maybe more. The Zags will be better if he comes off the bench because as always, a strong bench makes the team better. He didn't do much when he was posting up. He is a really good 3 point shooter. Japan would be a good team if they had a center. Rui will definitely help the Zags next year.

MDABE80
07-01-2017, 11:32 AM
I agree reborn. This kid at 6 8 or 6 9 runs the court like he's a 6 2 guard. Amazing body control. He's an unusual player. All this size, speed, coordination with superior hops and ball handling skills to the point where he can lead a fast break. I hope we're up to developing him as far as he can go. I don't remember anyone we've had with similar size and skills in one package. Seems to have the ability to do nearly everything well. Potential with Rui is top shelf stuff.
Small wonder the NBA draft guys pushed him up so high without even playing one college game.

willandi
07-01-2017, 01:01 PM
he was facing Spain's concerted effort to stop him when he was on the floor as the best athlete without question, which contained him today.


They contained him with 20 and 10! LOL But, I do know what you are saying.

GonzagasaurusFlex
07-01-2017, 02:13 PM
From FIBA site, Rui highlights from the game

Rui Hachimura (20pts, 10reb) shows he can do it all vs Spain!

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos/Rui-Hachimura-20pts-10reb-outperforms-vs-Spain

Impressive highlights. Rui is much, much more comfortable as a perimeter player. Hope Zags remain committed to developing him as a 3 per Lloyd's previous comments. My knee jerk reaction to these highlights was: 'Zags need Larsen to be healthy and step up as 3rd post player behind Tillie and Williams'

Reborn
07-01-2017, 02:31 PM
I agree reborn. This kid at 6 8 or 6 9 runs the court like he's a 6 2 guard. Amazing body control. He's an unusual player. All this size, speed, coordination with superior hops and ball handling skills to the point where he can lead a fast break. I hope we're up to developing him as far as he can go. I don't remember anyone we've had with similar size and skills in one package. Seems to have the ability to do nearly everything well. Potential with Rui is top shelf stuff.
Small wonder the NBA draft guys pushed him up so high without even playing one college game.

Yeah! He's still a little rough around the edges, but the potential is surely there.

ZagMan in Philly
07-01-2017, 04:43 PM
They contained him with 20 and 10! LOL But, I do know what you are saying.

I predict a huge game from Rui tomorrow against Mali.

bballbeachbum
07-01-2017, 10:11 PM
Impressive highlights. Rui is much, much more comfortable as a perimeter player. Hope Zags remain committed to developing him as a 3 per Lloyd's previous comments. My knee jerk reaction to these highlights was: 'Zags need Larsen to be healthy and step up as 3rd post player behind Tillie and Williams'

not a post player that I've seen so far. nice stroke for his size. don't know anything about Larsen yet myself but looking forward to learning

bballbeachbum
07-01-2017, 10:12 PM
They contained him with 20 and 10! LOL But, I do know what you are saying.

I hear you man

Ezag
07-01-2017, 10:24 PM
Nice to see Rui in action, light on his feet and fast. Still pretty raw, getting by mostly on his athleticism.

ZionZag
07-02-2017, 05:42 AM
Rui got 15 and 12 in 25 minutes in Japans win.....France on now

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017

willandi
07-02-2017, 07:47 AM
Just watched France beat New Zealand. Tillie looks tired or somewhat disinterested. He finished with 5 and 5 on a poor shooting night.

I wonder how long FIBA can continue. I understand it's 'for the kids' type of thing, but it didn't seem to be more than a couple hundred in the seats. The headline on the FIBA page was "What a crowd! 9000 spectators watched their young Egyptian heroes!", in a venue that seats 16,000. The bottom bowl still looked like it had empty seats. Is it strictly advertising that finances these tourneys?

That may have been part of Killian's malaise as well. After playing in the kennel and in front of thousands in the NCAA's, hundreds just doesn't inspire you. Anyway, just thinking out loud.

Zagdawg
07-02-2017, 07:49 AM
Agree he looked tired -- lots of hands on knees breathing hard.

He was involved with a good amount of the game had some bunnies not drop.

amaronizag
07-02-2017, 08:04 AM
The FIBA games are hard for me to watch. Three point shots, OR dribble drives with LOTS of fouls so no flow to the game. Tillie sets picks on top of the key, guard drives to the basket and gets fouled or kicks out to wing opposite where they chuck up a three. Tillie sets picks on top of the key so he only gets brief touches before handing back to the guard, who then puts his head down and drives hard to the basket. Tillie tries to follow and rebound. There are few passes deep into the paint. Occasional looks from 3 pt range or a put back chance for Killian, but his stroke was off today. As stated above, no crowd or enthusiasm, slow pace, just hard to watch. Even the NBA summer league is more exciting. No really.

DixieZag
07-02-2017, 08:40 AM
The FIBA games are hard for me to watch. Three point shots, OR dribble drives with LOTS of fouls so no flow to the game. Tillie sets picks on top of the key, guard drives to the basket and gets fouled or kicks out to wing opposite where they chuck up a three. Tillie sets picks on top of the key so he only gets brief touches before handing back to the guard, who then puts his head down and drives hard to the basket. Tillie tries to follow and rebound. There are few passes deep into the paint. Occasional looks from 3 pt range or a put back chance for Killian, but his stroke was off today. As stated above, no crowd or enthusiasm, slow pace, just hard to watch. Even the NBA summer league is more exciting. No really.

I believe you. That's awful.

ZagNative
07-02-2017, 09:27 AM
Japan over Mali 76-73. Rui with 15 points and 12 rebounds. Box score. (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/0207/Mali-Japan#|tab=boxscore_statistics)

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/788x361q90/r/924/OMYXye.jpg

http://www.fiba.com/api/img/graphic/fffd1698-9e03-47c2-b317-2a85fcee8a33/1000/1000?mt=.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5Ol34wZAKw

ZagNative
07-02-2017, 09:53 AM
France over New Zealand 80-69. Killian with 5 points in a measley stat line (2/11 shooting???). Box Score (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/0207/France-New-Zealand#|tab=boxscore_statistics)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDVaDmcODFI

soccerdud
07-02-2017, 10:18 AM
Just watched France beat New Zealand. Tillie looks tired or somewhat disinterested. He finished with 5 and 5 on a poor shooting night.

I wonder how long FIBA can continue. I understand it's 'for the kids' type of thing, but it didn't seem to be more than a couple hundred in the seats. The headline on the FIBA page was "What a crowd! 9000 spectators watched their young Egyptian heroes!", in a venue that seats 16,000. The bottom bowl still looked like it had empty seats. Is it strictly advertising that finances these tourneys?

That may have been part of Killian's malaise as well. After playing in the kennel and in front of thousands in the NCAA's, hundreds just doesn't inspire you. Anyway, just thinking out loud.

FIBA is literally the international basketball federation. it is the basketball equivalent of fifa. it is in no danger of folding, failing, or anything else. it manages the major international basketball tournaments across all levels and regions -- from the senior level world cup down to regional u-15 (and possibly younger) tourneys. it also is the de facto rules authority for all international basketball competitions, including unaffiliated ones like the olympics. like fifa, many of the tournaments for the younger brackets are sparsely attended. the attendance can be greatly affected by the host country as well.

fiba does not need any particular youth tourney to be profitable. like almost all basketball (sport?) everywhere, the money is in the senior-level men's game, and tournaments like this are an almost an infrastructure investment in future basketball talent and national pride for the national team programs that partake. even if the organization as a whole had cash flow issues (which there is no indication of), tournaments like this are unlikely to be in danger because the countries that partake wouldn't let it fail. sending your kids to a tourney is way cheaper than running a year-round residency program, which some of them do.

anyway, point being that the attendance and quality/enjoyability of the basketball you see has absolutely nothing to do with the viability of the system at this point. so rest easy, amigo :)

willandi
07-02-2017, 10:39 AM
FIBA is literally the international basketball federation. it is the basketball equivalent of fifa. it is in no danger of folding, failing, or anything else. it manages the major international basketball tournaments across all levels and regions -- from the senior level world cup down to regional u-15 (and possibly younger) tourneys. it also is the de facto rules authority for all international basketball competitions, including unaffiliated ones like the olympics. like fifa, many of the tournaments for the younger brackets are sparsely attended. the attendance can be greatly affected by the host country as well.

fiba does not need any particular youth tourney to be profitable. like almost all basketball (sport?) everywhere, the money is in the senior-level men's game, and tournaments like this are an almost an infrastructure investment in future basketball talent and national pride for the national team programs that partake. even if the organization as a whole had cash flow issues (which there is no indication of), tournaments like this are unlikely to be in danger because the countries that partake wouldn't let it fail. sending your kids to a tourney is way cheaper than running a year-round residency program, which some of them do.

anyway, point being that the attendance and quality/enjoyability of the basketball you see has absolutely nothing to do with the viability of the system at this point. so rest easy, amigo :)

So it's kind of like being a small business owner. You just hope that you have the money at some point.

soccerdud
07-02-2017, 10:41 AM
So it's kind of like being a small business owner. You just hope that you have the money at some point.

not really. it's more like inbev (the company that owns anheiser-busch) owning and operating a couple of questionably profitable micro-breweries because it's important to their strategy.

TexasZagFan
07-02-2017, 01:44 PM
Any of Rui's teammates that might be tempted to join him in Spokane?

Reborn
07-02-2017, 02:03 PM
Any of Rui's teammates that might be tempted to join him in Spokane?

I didn't see any, TZF that Gonzaga would recruit. They have a very good 3 pt shooter but Gonzaga is overflowing with really good guards.

Reborn
07-03-2017, 06:51 AM
WOW! Rui is doing absolutely great in this tournament, as he's the 2nd leading scorer in the tournament. Tillie, on the other hand, is shooting poorly, averaging just 7 pts a game. Rui is shooting 56% from the field and 50% from the 3 pt line. Whereas, Tillie is shooting 26%. France, however, is undefeated so far and Japan is 1-1. You can watch the games on the FIBA web site, which you can find in the thread at the top of this page. I've watched both of Rui's and Tillie's game. Rui is doing great. FIBA has not posted the rebounds, but I'm pretty sure Rui is averaging around 12 rebs per game. For those of you who are still criticizing Rui, watch the videos. In some ways he's very much like Lebron James. He is fast and powerful with the ball in his hand when he's running up court full steam. Nothing quite like big and fast, and a dang good shooter. His jumper is simply beautiful, a thing to watch with admiration. Finally, he has an infectious smile, somewhat like Magic Johnson. IMO he'll be gone after next year.

kitzbuel
07-03-2017, 07:29 AM
So it's kind of like being a small business owner. You just hope that you have the money at some point.

Not really. It is more like the minor leagues. This tournament gives national teams a chance to build their young players and give the senior teams a chance to really view them in a competitive environment.

It is also much easier for countries to make money from FIBA basketball tournaments than FIFA soccer tournaments. They don't have to build new stadiums for basketball tournaments. Substantially lower overhead costs.

thespywhozaggedme
07-03-2017, 07:44 AM
I wonder why Tillie is struggling so much. He shooting so inefficiently. Weird.

LongIslandZagFan
07-03-2017, 08:07 AM
not really. it's more like inbev (the company that owns anheiser-busch) owning and operating a couple of questionably profitable micro-breweries because it's important to their strategy.

Do NOT get me started on that.

bballbeachbum
07-03-2017, 08:26 AM
WOW! Rui is doing absolutely great in this tournament, as he's the 2nd leading scorer in the tournament. Tillie, on the other hand, is shooting poorly, averaging just 7 pts a game. Rui is shooting 56% from the field and 50% from the 3 pt line. Whereas, Tillie is shooting 26%. France, however, is undefeated so far and Japan is 1-1. You can watch the games on the FIBA web site, which you can find in the thread at the top of this page. I've watched both of Rui's and Tillie's game. Rui is doing great. FIBA has not posted the rebounds, but I'm pretty sure Rui is averaging around 12 rebs per game. For those of you who are still criticizing Rui, watch the videos. In some ways he's very much like Lebron James. He is fast and powerful with the ball in his hand when he's running up court full steam. Nothing quite like big and fast, and a dang good shooter. His jumper is simply beautiful, a thing to watch with admiration. Finally, he has an infectious smile, somewhat like Magic Johnson. IMO he'll be gone after next year.

hey Reborn, agree on you Rui take basically, have to admit the Lebron and Magic comps made me smile bit I get your point man. I've watched all of his and Tillie's games too and, as others have noted, the games are kind of ragged but I'm there to watch these two play so it's fun for me, I love watching tape.

on Rui, been doing some cool things and not just athletically, although there is no better athlete in the tournament I've seen not wearing a USA jersey (just seen bits and pieces of their games). when Japan runs action for him he does pretty well getting something out of it, he's been pretty good as a weakside rim protector, has finished inside with some different releases, can crank it up in the open floor and it's exciting whenever Japan gets those chances becasue he might do something awesome.
some of the pieces to his game to still develop I noted earlier don't include height, athleticism, effort or those things. instead, they're all coachable things imo. encouraged and excitied to see how his game translates with more minutes and surrounded by Zag players who are obviously waaaay better than this Japanese team.

the fact Tillie has struggled is evidence to me of the ragged nature of these games and the relatively weak back court play and general inabiltiy for anyone to get to the rim on dribble penetration tho the French guards are ok at that

Zagdawg
07-04-2017, 08:19 AM
Japan loses to Canada 100-75-- Rui with 21 and 11

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/0407/Canada-Japan#|tab=boxscore_statistics

MDABE80
07-04-2017, 10:15 AM
I can't get a handle on how FIBA compares to D1 US basketball! Anyone? Looks far more helter skelter.

ZagNative
07-04-2017, 11:13 AM
France over Korea 87-55. Killian with six points on 3/9 shooting, with 8 rebounds and 3 assists.

Box Score (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/0407/Korea-France#|tab=boxscore_statistics)

http://www.fiba.com/api/img/graphic/63c5f8af-7630-48cc-9723-063205f7d5f7/1000/1000?mt=.jpg

Mojo13
07-04-2017, 11:27 AM
I can't get a handle on how FIBA compares to D1 US basketball! Anyone? Looks far more helter skelter.

The best teams are are equivalent to incoming D-1 freshman who have had a mere week or two of practicing together and a couple warm up games. It is going to be unpolished.

The lesser teams the same situation with much less talent (D2 or Juco).

Canada by example has a starting lineup of incoming freshman to Harvard, Iowa St and Oregon and one big name but under aged talent in Barrett. After that the talent level drops off with guys going to lesser D1 schools, D2 and CIS (Canada). We have a couple D1 sophomores at low level schools.

The USA squad is obviously all D1 talent, but as said pretty young and no where near USAs best players.

The best players don't play because they are already chasing a pro career or feel the summer is better suited on campus taking classes and training. This tournament in particular is diluted of most its best talents in the world for this age group.

Reborn
07-04-2017, 11:28 AM
Rui again played very good (21-11). He was awesome the first 10 min of the game. At the end of the first quarter Japan was leading by 7. Rui goes out and immediately Canada pulls even and then goes up by 10 by the time Rui reenters the game with five left. Canada leads by 15 at the half. In the 2nd half it's the same story. When Rui is in the game Japan plays evenly. When he's out they don't look so good. Rui did not play good on defense, but Japan played Zone and it was not a real good zone.

Tillie played much better today, but his shot is still off. He played really hard, rebounded and played defense quite well. He showed that he can really pass as he made some very beautiful passes from the high post. Tillie will need to improve his scoring if France is to now go deep into the tournament.

ZagNative
07-04-2017, 11:32 AM
Thanks Mojo and Reborn for your very helpful insights.

Killian and Rui both play tomorrow in the Round of 16. Brackets (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/groups#|tab=brackets)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD6xDCqUAAA7f9W.jpg

bballbeachbum
07-04-2017, 11:54 AM
I can't get a handle on how FIBA compares to D1 US basketball! Anyone? Looks far more helter skelter.

Japan's team is more comparable to a high school team. When Rui was not out there for Japan it really showed today against a team of D-1 level Canadians. Rui fun to watch again today vs. Canada

Worthington
07-04-2017, 11:58 AM
One thing I've noticed when watching Rui in this tournament is how much more unselfish his play has been compared to years past with the national team. He's getting his teammates involved more and not forcing things as much. As a result, Japan (although 1-2) has had a very strong showing so far with fairly competitive games versus Spain and Canada.

bballbeachbum
07-04-2017, 01:01 PM
Rui again played very good (21-11). He was awesome the first 10 min of the game. At the end of the first quarter Japan was leading by 7. Rui goes out and immediately Canada pulls even and then goes up by 10 by the time Rui reenters the game with five left. Canada leads by 15 at the half. In the 2nd half it's the same story. When Rui is in the game Japan plays evenly. When he's out they don't look so good. Rui did not play good on defense, but Japan played Zone and it was not a real good zone.

Tillie played much better today, but his shot is still off. He played really hard, rebounded and played defense quite well. He showed that he can really pass as he made some very beautiful passes from the high post. Tillie will need to improve his scoring if France is to now go deep into the tournament.

hey Reborn, fun to watch Rui's first 10, they were awesome. but one thing when Japan played well with Rui on the floor, he allowed them to play M2M, which they played in those minutes to start the game. Japan tried to play M2M after he went to the bench too in the 1st half and got dogged hard with one layup after another until they finally went zone. that weak 1/2 court 3/4 court press they tried did not work. 2nd half Japan played M2M to start again and through a lot of 3rd quarter with Rui out there. basically, they can at least try M2M with him, impossible without him...says a lot.

did you notice he changed his FT footwork too? looked nice vs. what he'd been doing

ZagNative
07-04-2017, 01:28 PM
Japan vs. Italy at 4:45 AM tomorrow.

France vs. Puerto Rico at 9:15 AM

Link to FIBA (https://twitter.com/heinnews/status/882339576295170050http://)

ZagMan in Philly
07-05-2017, 05:40 AM
what a game between japan and Italy,
Hachimura with 22 points and 14 rebs, he hit two tough three pointers at the end to keep Japan in it, the last three pointer with two guys in his face to tie the game at 55 with two seconds left.
Italy hit a nice base line two pointer at the buzzer to win it 57-55. Tough loss for Japan, and Hachimura is the man.

Zags_Fanatic
07-05-2017, 08:27 AM
Rui's game tying three was absolutely incredible, too bad they couldn't eke out what would have been the biggest win in Japan's history. Pundits are definitely taking notice: http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/07/05/gonzagas-rui-hachimura-shines-in-u19-world-cup-video/

Zags_Fanatic
07-05-2017, 08:42 AM
Here's the video of the game tying shot for anyone that missed it:
https://streamable.com/s/90n83/vmdswd

Zagdawg
07-05-2017, 08:49 AM
So is Rui our 4th big---- joining Tillie, Larsen and Williams?

thespywhozaggedme
07-05-2017, 09:02 AM
So is Rui our 4th big---- joining Tillie, Larsen and Williams?

Gonna spend most of his minutes at the 3 with CK.

Markburn1
07-05-2017, 09:16 AM
Rui's game tying three was absolutely incredible, too bad they couldn't eke out what would have been the biggest win in Japan's history. Pundits are definitely taking notice: http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/07/05/gonzagas-rui-hachimura-shines-in-u19-world-cup-video/

"Hachimura isn’t super-explosive...."

Whoever wrote that isn't a top notch talent evaluator.

ZagNative
07-05-2017, 09:19 AM
France vs. Puerto Rico live, just into the third quarter: Box Score (http://www.fiba.com/ls/#13204&13207-25-A)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aaWnlfjDss

Worthington
07-05-2017, 09:25 AM
Rui is a big conundrum for me next season. Clearly, he is super talented, but he doesn't play like a typical Mark Few player. His best offensive weapon is his mid-range jump shot and he often is shooting them off the dribble. Even though Rui is elite in the mid-range, these aren't the type of shots that Few encourages in his offense.

He's too talented not to be on the floor, I just think it's going to be a huge challenge for the coaching staff to figure out how to get the most out of him next season. Very curious to see what his role will be next year, it's going to take another masterful coaching job to fit these pieces together.

Zagdawg
07-05-2017, 09:57 AM
A bit like Morrision -- guy could put the ball in the basket -- let him do his thing.

Ezag
07-05-2017, 10:00 AM
Nice break thru by Tillie today against PR - 20pts, 7 boards

Zags_Fanatic
07-05-2017, 10:00 AM
Couldn't be happier to see Tillie get his mojo back and show his star power today. What a line! 20-7-5 with 2 steals and just one TO on 9/15 shooting.

Zagdawg
07-05-2017, 10:01 AM
Also 5 assists in the France win over Puerto Rico --84-66

Zags_Fanatic
07-05-2017, 10:04 AM
A bit like Morrision -- guy could put the ball in the basket -- let him do his thing.

I'm with you on this, if he can learn to move without the ball like Morrison did he will get his touches. Next season can be a bit experimental running these types of sets in limited minutes preparing Rui and the team for him to be the focal point the following season when J3 is gone.

ZagNative
07-05-2017, 10:05 AM
France will play Canada on Friday.

Zagdawg
07-05-2017, 10:27 AM
Rui is #1 in scoring for the tournament at 19.5 pts per game shooting 50.8% from the field (#8 overall), 42.9% from 3 (#14) and 60% from FT
He is #2 is rebounds at 11.8 per game
He is #2 in overall efficiency
Also the only player to average a double double in every game played so far

Zagdawg
07-05-2017, 12:25 PM
MONDIAL U19 (M): THE BLUE PASS IN QUARTERS (Google Translated)

Les Bleuets defeated Puerto Rico after a long hook, 84-66. With a Killian Tillie rising in power, 20 points tonight, the Canadiens triumph in the quarterfinal to the Canadians.
Decidedly nothing is easy. Opposed until then to "small" teams, the Blues did not stumble. But it is without having impressed, or undoubtedly given their full measure, that they find themselves qualified for the quarterfinals of the world. With three wins in the group stage, they faced Puerto Ricans this Wednesday who had suffered three setbacks at the same time. But in the face of formations more or less unknown and which have nothing to lose, winning is not always easy. By winning this round-of-84-66, the Blues remain unbeaten and thus ensure the essential: the qualif.

Long to draw
The ball bounces off the circle and falls into Puerto Rican hands twice. The very first possession of the match set the tone. Applied to not being passed in one-against-one, the players of Hervé Coudray managed to keep their opponent in check in the racket (5/20 to two points at the half-time, 14/40 at the end) And often push them after 24 seconds. But they started by leaving too many offensive rebounds (8 at halftime). The distance from the Puerto Ricans (6/9 to 3-points to start) did the rest, allowing them to stay hooked to the Basque Habs, and even to pass in front of a moment (30-28, 16th). Not enough to get the Blues out of their route plan explained Captain Bathiste Chouaffé (11 points to 3/4) at the end of the meeting.
"It's been a long time since it's always hard to get into a game with a team that has nothing to lose, but since two games we've been climbing on defensive intensity, and it pays. We really hit them, we forced them to shoot at the end of possession and that's a good sign. "
Once the defense was in place, the rebound was finally controlled by the creation of Enzo Goudou Sinha (11 points, 11 assists and a single stray ball) that allowed the Blues to make the first lags and one First (small) deviation. With a Jules Rambaut in M. clean at the conclusion (10 points to 5/6 shots) the French were leading at the break, 39-32. This is the moment chosen by Killian Tillie (photo) to raise the tone.
Tillie Launches Tournament
Expected leader of this team, the player of Gonzaga was ultra complete. By its rebounds, its ability to accelerate the game by dribbling or long passes, but also and especially by its shoots while touching in the perimeter. 10 points in the third quarter, 8 in the last (20 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists and 27 evaluation in the final): the inside allowed the Blues to accentuate their lead in the final package.
"It is the mark of the great players," Bathiste Chouaffé complimented, "he did not do the first three games (6.6 points average) and there he plays 20. At half time of the last match, And I was taken over by the coach, and there they answered. "
If the Puerto Ricans' 3-point address finally dropped (8/22 in the final), it was a succession of baskets with the foul that kept the Blues under pressure in the last quarter. But Aboulaye N'Doye, untenable in one-against-one (9 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists), then Killian Tillie again, assured the Blues a victory finally wide enough. Rendezvous is therefore taken with Canada on Friday, after a day of rest. A quarter-final that will perhaps allow this generation double European champion to switch into the race for the world medal.

thebigsmoove
07-05-2017, 01:21 PM
Rui is a big conundrum for me next season. Clearly, he is super talented, but he doesn't play like a typical Mark Few player. His best offensive weapon is his mid-range jump shot and he often is shooting them off the dribble. Even though Rui is elite in the mid-range, these aren't the type of shots that Few encourages in his offense.

He's too talented not to be on the floor, I just think it's going to be a huge challenge for the coaching staff to figure out how to get the most out of him next season. Very curious to see what his role will be next year, it's going to take another masterful coaching job to fit these pieces together.

I too have hedged my bets on Rui breaking out next season, but idk, he seems much improved already. I have a feeling hes gonna be that x factor this year that could break out and really become a star.

Reborn
07-05-2017, 04:10 PM
I watched both games again today, and Rui and Tillie played great. Rui with 22 and 14, and Tillie 20 and 7 with 5 assists. Rui has one of the prettiest jump shots I've ever seen. He scored from all over the floor today and with a nice variety of shots. He was unbelievable down the stretch, hitting two threes in the last 16 seconds. He tied the game with 2 seconds left. Japan would be so good if they some guards, and a center. Rui is so good that he helped Japan have a very good tournament, imo, and I'm sure better than most expected. I am really looking forward to seeing him become a star next year at GU.

Tillie finally had the kind of game that most of us believed he could have in this tournament. He shows that he has developed a couple really good ways to get to the rim off the dribble drive. The best, imo, is his reverse dribble move into the middle of the key and canning an 8 foot jump shot. Most of his points came after attacking the basket off the dribble. A lot of this was new for me and I enjoyed it. Tillie also shows great toughness on defense. Rui's off ball defense is going to have to improve a lot. He shows little help while guards on the opposing team are penetrating and scoring.

These two GU players are showing the basketball world how good they are. Rui, imo is the best player in the tournament, and Tillie, with his play today showed that he too has the skills to help the Zags advance deep into the NCAA tournament next year. What is so nice to me is that they are two very different players who can both play the 4 (power forward) position. Which gives us 3 players who can play the four. And the amazing thing is that these three players will also be on the court at the same time. Imagine that!. There are so many fans that seem to be worried about the team next year. But for me, I think the person who has the most challenging job is Mark Few. What is he going to do with so much talent?

Go Zags!!!

Worthington
07-05-2017, 04:31 PM
https://twitter.com/Joshua_Riddell/status/882725123912065024

These clips here from Josh Riddell are indicative of some of the problems Rui still has on the defensive end. Few would yank him straight away if he made some of those defensive mistakes. That side of the court could limit his minutes next season, but he has all the tools to be a wing stopper so hopefully he will put it together.

kitzbuel
07-05-2017, 04:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Joshua_Riddell/status/882725123912065024

These clips here from Josh Riddell are indicative of some of the problems Rui still has on the defensive end. Few would yank him straight away if he made some of those defensive mistakes. That side of the court could limit his minutes next season, but he has all the tools to be a wing stopper so hopefully he will put it together.

Yeah, he is going to have to learn how to fly around on the perimeter on defense for Few. Gonzaga has decidedly abandoned leaving open shooters on the perimeter.

Reborn
07-05-2017, 05:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Joshua_Riddell/status/882725123912065024

These clips here from Josh Riddell are indicative of some of the problems Rui still has on the defensive end. Few would yank him straight away if he made some of those defensive mistakes. That side of the court could limit his minutes next season, but he has all the tools to be a wing stopper so hopefully he will put it together.

If the coaches could teach Karnowski to play man to man defense they will be able to do so with Rui, imo.

btzag
07-05-2017, 05:18 PM
Been saying this for a while about his D...footwork is terrible right now on the perimeter and has no clue how to play post D. Needs to work on fundamentals hard because this side of the ball is going to hold him back.

CDC84
07-05-2017, 05:48 PM
While I do not doubt that Rui has to get better defensively, it's very likely that his coaches in Japan have told him to do everything possible to not foul anyone because Japan has no chance in any game without his scoring and rebounding prowess. Kind of like how the high school star is asked not to play D because the team can't afford to have their stud foul out. I saw this first hand when Austin Daye played at Woodbridge HS. If a coach issues an instruction like that, it tends to make the kid look really bad on D. I have to wonder how much of that is going on with Rui right now, and how much of it truly are defensive issues he needs to work on. Obviously, he has all the physical skills you need to play good D, but it's mental thing as well, along with fundamentals.

Mantua
07-05-2017, 06:06 PM
France will play Canada on Friday.

Televised?

btzag
07-05-2017, 07:35 PM
While I do not doubt that Rui has to get better defensively, it's very likely that his coaches in Japan have told him to do everything possible to not foul anyone because Japan has no chance in any game without his scoring and rebounding prowess. Kind of like how the high school star is asked not to play D because the team can't afford to have their stud foul out. I saw this first hand when Austin Daye played at Woodbridge HS. If a coach issues an instruction like that, it tends to make the kid look really bad on D. I have to wonder how much of that is going on with Rui right now, and how much of it truly are defensive issues he needs to work on. Obviously, he has all the physical skills you need to play good D, but it's mental thing as well, along with fundamentals.

Not to be argumentative CDC but Rui was playing 'that' type of defense vs WCC opponents last year. He needs 2 years at least on defense because he cannot even stop that level of player. Everyone gets wrapped up in the athleticism but he has no feel for where he should be on switches and close outs and was getting his ankles broken in garbage time last year because of terrible defensive footwork. Unless he can score like Morrison it's just not going to work for Few.

bballbeachbum
07-05-2017, 10:47 PM
"Hachimura isn’t super-explosive...."

Whoever wrote that isn't a top notch talent evaluator.

:lmao:

bballbeachbum
07-05-2017, 10:54 PM
Here's the video of the game tying shot for anyone that missed it:
https://streamable.com/s/90n83/vmdswd

ridiculous shot, he's made others seemingly off balance in this tournament. kid's got a sweet stroke, sweet release

Zagceo
07-06-2017, 03:16 AM
Not to be argumentative CDC but Rui was playing 'that' type of defense vs WCC opponents last year. He needs 2 years at least on defense because he cannot even stop that level of player. Everyone gets wrapped up in the athleticism but he has no feel for where he should be on switches and close outs and was getting his ankles broken in garbage time last year because of terrible defensive footwork. Unless he can score like Morrison it's just not going to work for Few.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/mar/23/gonzaga-calls-upon-seldom-used-rui-hachimura-for-d/

btzag
07-06-2017, 04:15 AM
http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/mar/23/gonzaga-calls-upon-seldom-used-rui-hachimura-for-d/

Exactly. That was when Few screamed across the court at him and then yanked him shortly after?

stretch
07-06-2017, 05:15 AM
Rui's game reminds of Anthony Bennett and his skill set, a very mobile and athletic big with a nice looking jumper, but not clued in to team defence concepts.

thespywhozaggedme
07-06-2017, 05:45 AM
https://twitter.com/Joshua_Riddell/status/882725123912065024

These clips here from Josh Riddell are indicative of some of the problems Rui still has on the defensive end. Few would yank him straight away if he made some of those defensive mistakes. That side of the court could limit his minutes next season, but he has all the tools to be a wing stopper so hopefully he will put it together.

I dunno, he's so advanced offensively that this may be one of those rare instance like Ammo, where Few overlooks the bad "d" because he's so explosive on offense.

strikenowhere
07-06-2017, 06:39 AM
I dunno, he's so advanced offensively that this may be one of those rare instance like Ammo, where Few overlooks the bad "d" because he's so explosive on offense.

Didn't we learn last season that defense is what gets you over the hump? Rui looks lost/disinterested on defense in those shots. Also, I don't think he's anywhere near Morrison's offensive level right now.

jazzdelmar
07-06-2017, 06:56 AM
Two years away from being a major contributor.

thespywhozaggedme
07-06-2017, 07:02 AM
Didn't we learn last season that defense is what gets you over the hump? Rui looks lost/disinterested on defense in those shots. Also, I don't think he's anywhere near Morrison's offensive level right now.

We will have to agree to disagree. I've been watching him since his FIBA days and he has all the offensive skills that Ammo has but 10 times the athleticism. And as others have posted equally bad defense is Ammo. LOL

thespywhozaggedme
07-06-2017, 07:04 AM
Two years away from being a major contributor.

Major is the key word. Rui is the most gifted offensive player on the team on a team loaded with gifted offensive players but he is still kind of lost out there. The thing is we are so deep at guards and wings that there will be very little drop off between any of them.

TexasZagFan
07-06-2017, 07:13 AM
Two years away from being a major contributor.

Perhaps a year away from the NBA draft, too. With more time on the floor this year, Rui is likely to make more appearances on the daily highlights. Social media will get him more exposure, along with appearances in a variety of mock drafts.

Jazz, I'm not disagreeing with you. Take an NBA owner looking to expand his brand into Japan (Mark Cuban, for example), and they'll take a flier on Rui's potential.

jazzdelmar
07-06-2017, 07:20 AM
Perhaps a year away from the NBA draft, too. With more time on the floor this year, Rui is likely to make more appearances on the daily highlights. Social media will get him more exposure, along with appearances in a variety of mock drafts.

Jazz, I'm not disagreeing with you. Take an NBA owner looking to expand his brand into Japan (Mark Cuban, for example), and they'll take a flier on Rui's potential.

I'm talking about as a Zag. Who will he supplant this year, and for what kind of minutes. Few isn't one to experiment much, especially since this year he has options. Just don't see the kid developing that fast. Concede he has major athleticism but so have many others who never even got off the bench. As for your suggestion, sure he represents a whole new market for an NBA team but at best a back end of the 2d round pick next year.

titopoet
07-06-2017, 09:47 AM
Two years away from being a major contributor.




Keep watching... next year! I also watched and on his defense... it is not that he is bad on D, but is trying to hard to compensate for his teammates and looking to do too much. He hedges off his man more to rotate better. This will not be an issue with his GU teammates. JWIII, Larsen, Rui, Perkins, Silas with Tillie as the 6 man and Zach, Wade and Corey coming off the bench form a super solid team that can compete with anyone in the country.

What has been a revelation is how will he has learn to play off his teammates. Now, think about playing off Josh, Silas, Wade, Zach, and JWIII.

Kong-Kool-Aid
07-06-2017, 09:50 AM
Not to be argumentative CDC but Rui was playing 'that' type of defense vs WCC opponents last year. He needs 2 years at least on defense because he cannot even stop that level of player. Everyone gets wrapped up in the athleticism but he has no feel for where he should be on switches and close outs and was getting his ankles broken in garbage time last year because of terrible defensive footwork. Unless he can score like Morrison it's just not going to work for Few.

Reminds me a little of Manny Arop/Bol Kong

MDABE80
07-06-2017, 10:12 AM
We win with defense. Rui's not there in any sense. He's always dominated with his offense. He's done well in Japan and now he's doing well against larger players. Runs like a deer with huge stamina ( most of the time) and has very good athleticism.
I do agree with the poster who thought Few might yank him if he doesn't play D. But, year to year things change. The solution is for RUI to get serious on the other side of the ball. Defense matters and has carried us for the past few years.

Reborn
07-06-2017, 10:16 AM
I'm talking about as a Zag. Who will he supplant this year, and for what kind of minutes. Few isn't one to experiment much, especially since this year he has options. Just don't see the kid developing that fast. Concede he has major athleticism but so have many others who never even got off the bench. As for your suggestion, sure he represents a whole new market for an NBA team but at best a back end of the 2d round pick next year.

I have to disagree with you, Jazz. I don't believe he's just another guy on the bench with a major athleticism who never gets off the bench. Yes! He has major athleticism, but no one on the bench this year will match his. Not even close. And to imply that the only characteristic of an elite player that he has is athleticism is just WRONG, Jazz. I'm wondering if you've seen any of the videos at FIBA tournament? He has one of the best jump shots I've EVER seen. His form is perfect, and when he displays it off the dribble (which is the most difficult way to shoot it) his form is also perfect. Two questions I ask when I watch a jump shooter are, does he go straight up into the air on his shot, and second, how hi is he off the ground? Well, I guess there is a third, how much back spin does the ball have on it's way to the rim? IMO, Rui will contribute next year, and maybe he'll be coming off the bench but maybe not. Many here are talking about his poor defense and how it could hurt the team. A couple of questions to you guys, have you thought about how much his rebounding will help the team; and did his poor defense hurt Japan? If you did watch any of the games, one thing you would have noticed was that when he WENT OUT OF THE GAME Japan played horrible defense.

TexasZagFan
07-06-2017, 10:20 AM
Reminds me a little of Manny Arop/Bol Kong

...with more Elgin Baylor in him.

TexasZagFan
07-06-2017, 10:24 AM
I have to disagree with you, Jazz. I don't believe he's just another guy on the bench with a major athleticism who never gets off the bench. Yes! He has major athleticism, but no one on the bench this year will match his. Not even close. And to imply that the only characteristic of an elite player that he has is athleticism is just WRONG, Jazz. I'm wondering if you've seen any of the videos at FIBA tournament? He has one of the best jump shots I've EVER seen. His form is perfect, and when he displays it off the dribble (which is the most difficult way to shoot it) his form is also perfect. Two questions I ask when I watch a jump shooter are, does he go straight up into the air on his shot, and second, how hi is he off the ground? Well, I guess there is a third, how much back spin does the ball have on it's way to the rim? IMO, Rui will contribute next year, and maybe he'll be coming off the bench but maybe not. Many here are talking about his poor defense and how it could hurt the team. A couple of questions to you guys, have you thought about how much his rebounding will help the team; and did his poor defense hurt Japan? If you did watch any of the games, one thing you would have noticed was that when he WENT OUT OF THE GAME Japan played horrible defense.

Dirk Nowitzki was never known for his defense, though he usually averaged double digit rebounds during most of his career. I know, not a fair comparison, just throwing it out there.

Dirk's legacy will continue to rise, in the era of the superteam. He's the last All-Star to win a championship without being surrounded by 2-3 other all stars. The Mavs had some nice players in 2011, but Kidd was nearly 40. They caught lightning at the right time.

thebigsmoove
07-06-2017, 10:46 AM
France will play Canada on Friday.

Japan and Korea go on friday too.

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/Japan

Reborn
07-06-2017, 10:58 AM
Japan and Korea go on friday too.

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/Japan

Great news. Thanks. I was wondering if the losers in the Round of 16 would play tomorrow. Looks like they will.

jazzdelmar
07-06-2017, 11:16 AM
I have to disagree with you, Jazz. the games, one thing you would have noticed was that when he WENT OUT OF THE GAME Japan played horrible defense.

Bornie...Happy to be wrong, but Few does not suffer those who dont even try to play D....OK, maybe one guy, but he was a transcendent player and Rui is not. Speaking of Ammo, ESPN ran the Udub loss yesterday....Man, was he good.....

TexasZagFan
07-06-2017, 11:28 AM
Bornie...Happy to be wrong, but Few does not suffer those who dont even try to play D....OK, maybe one guy, but he was a transcendent player and Rui is not. Speaking of Ammo, ESPN ran the Udub loss yesterday....Man, was he good.....

I'd sure like to see the first half of the game at USF again. Ammo simply lit 'em up in the first half, and the atmosphere at that game was historic.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2006/01/24/morrison-wows-zags-knock-usf-out-2/


The game was played before far more than the Memorial Gym capacity of 5,300 fans, in addition to more than a half-dozen NBA scouts. Announcements were made several times asking that any fans without a ticket — and they numbered in the hundreds — should leave. No one did, and Morrison was the reason.

Ammo scored 41, including 24 in the first 12 minutes.

ETA: hard to believe that the game was played 11 1/2 years ago.

jazzdelmar
07-06-2017, 11:35 AM
Tex, huh, it wasn't 3-4 years ago? :)

thebigsmoove
07-06-2017, 11:48 AM
Bornie...Happy to be wrong, but Few does not suffer those who dont even try to play D....OK, maybe one guy, but he was a transcendent player and Rui is not. Speaking of Ammo, ESPN ran the Udub loss yesterday....Man, was he good.....

Its interesting though, we havent played better team defense over the years. This past season our defense numbers were significantly better than they have ever been.

bartruff1
07-06-2017, 12:27 PM
Tex, huh, it wasn't 3-4 years ago? :)

I think you are right....things have changed....Gonzaga can now beat top 15 teams by scoring in the 60's....

btzag
07-06-2017, 02:16 PM
Its interesting though, we havent played better team defense over the years. This past season our defense numbers were significantly better than they have ever been.

And it's no coincidence that our best defensive team made it the farthest.

Reborn
07-06-2017, 02:46 PM
My biggest worry at the end of this season when it became obvious that the Zags were losing both Karnowski and Collins was that we'd be somewhat weaker in the posts next year. Last year the strength of the Zags was in the post positions. Well, after watching the FIBA games I no longer have that concern. Last year we had 4 post players that were all good, and next year we will have 4 post players who are all good: Larson, JW3, Tillie and Hachimura.

We finally saw what Tillie can do yesterday. He was really good, and clearly the best player on that team. France plays Canada tomorrow and I'm really looking forward to seeing how Tille plays against a pretty good team. It's be pretty cool if two of the guys who make the All-Tournament team play for the Zags.

EEzag
07-06-2017, 03:29 PM
My biggest worry at the end of this season when it became obvious that the Zags were losing both Karnowski and Collins was that we'd be somewhat weaker in the posts next year. Last year the strength of the Zags was in the post positions. Well, after watching the FIBA games I no longer have that concern. Last year we had 4 post players that were all good, and next year we will have 4 post players who are all good: Larson, JW3, Tillie and Hachimura.

We finally saw what Tillie can do yesterday. He was really good, and clearly the best player on that team. France plays Canada tomorrow and I'm really looking forward to seeing how Tille plays against a pretty good team. It's be pretty cool if two of the guys who make the All-Tournament team play for the Zags.


The list is long of very talented players that didn't get time due to lack of D. Well, KW was kinda #$%#$% on D, but at least he tried. Remember Manny? His hook was even quicker than Rui's when the D suffered. I'm not sure how we can unleash Rui unless he makes leaps and bounds on D. Especially if he's not here all summer.

Gawd Ammo was bad on D. I can't imagine what his +- would have been. Speaking of, his shot to beat OSU in what was one of the last worthwhile Battle of Seattle's....I was there.....was just as crazy as Meech's buzzer beater.

ZAG 4 LIFE
07-06-2017, 04:00 PM
And it's no coincidence that our best defensive team made it the farthest.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS

Mojo13
07-07-2017, 08:32 AM
Game vs Canada starts in 20 minutes. 9:45am PT.
Whatch it on Youtube or via FIBA's u19 website.

Tillie should feast inside on us as that is surely our weakness with all our decent bigs missing. Hopefully can get him in foul trouble as we drive the paint hard with pretty athletic guards and wings.
I think he will be going up against an undersized but strong and mobile PF in Abu Kigab going to Oregon in the fall. Sort of a Dillon Brooks type without the elite scoring yet. Killie could easily get Kigab in foul trouble though as he has struggled all tournament with it.

Let's see how "big game" RJ Barrett is. At 17 he may be one of the best players in the tournament and probably the best pro prospect. He has been hit or miss in big games in the past.

Canada is a 2-3 man show so far with Barrett, Wigginton (incoming PG - Iowa St.) and Djuricic (incoming Sf/Pf Harvard). If those three can get going on offense we will have a good chance. With only 1 or 2 clicking we will be in trouble. We don't have much depth with all the "no shows" but a pretty good 4-5 players which seems to allow us to compete with everyone besides the US.

Mojo13
07-07-2017, 08:53 AM
they might have cut the free live stream for the playoffs. Its not available to me (USA). Anyone have any luck?

Maybe they rebroadcast later in the day....



And Lindell Wigginton seems to be hurt for Canada and not playing today. Considering he is the team captain and our 2nd best player, I don't like our chances today.

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 08:56 AM
I'm watching on ESPN3. Couldn't get a video feed on FIBA. What's up with that?

slickguser
07-07-2017, 09:02 AM
ESPN 3 is working. If you want to use FIBA/Youtube, you will need to use a proxy (blocked in the USA). I verified Youtube works with a proxy.

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 09:22 AM
Live Stats (http://www.fiba.com/ls/#13204&13209-37-A). Canada is leading 26-23. Killian with 8 points and 6 rebounds and 2 turnovers.

Ezag
07-07-2017, 10:05 AM
http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId=9&id=3114931

Ezag
07-07-2017, 10:37 AM
Tillie -- Monster Game in loss to Canada -- 22 points, 17 boards, 2 assists, 6 turnovers

jazzdelmar
07-07-2017, 10:40 AM
22-17 but 6 TOs in a narrow loss.

bballbeachbum
07-07-2017, 10:44 AM
Tillie -- Monster Game in loss to Canada -- 22 points, 17 boards, 2 assists, 6 turnovers

thanks for the link man.
Tillie left it all out there. got a ton of heart to go with the skill, talent, etc. not new news but on display today
fun watching him play all tournament and rooting for him, but he's a relatively known commodity. watching Rui's games has been more about discovery and data gathering while rooting for him, a real treat

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 10:44 AM
10/16 shooting, 62.5%.

http://i.imgur.com/2h9aQV4.jpg

bballbeachbum
07-07-2017, 10:46 AM
22-17 but 6 TOs in a narrow loss.

he tried to do everything seemed to me and pulled a lot of it off but not all of it

Birddog
07-07-2017, 10:57 AM
Those of you who watched the games, what's the story on all of the TO's? Putting the ball on the floor, getting stripped? what's the deal? Should we be fretting over this till Fall practice starts?

Mojo13
07-07-2017, 11:19 AM
Those of you who watched the games, what's the story on all of the TO's? Putting the ball on the floor, getting stripped? what's the deal? Should we be fretting over this till Fall practice starts?

The story is RJ Barrett is at a whole other level than anyone else on the floor - and he is two years younger than most everyone else. He was unstoppable on the open floor. He looks like a better prospect than Andrew Wiggins at the same age. Similar athleticism but has the defense, passing and BBall IQ that Wiggins was (is) lacking.

Per Tillie - he was bigger/stronger than the guys guarding him. Thus the high shooting % and the offensive rebounds. Guys were playing low on him, with active hands and looking for strips. Abu Kigab is a good, smart player - but undersized. Maybe 6'6. Canada is a small team up front, but good and athletic length in the guards/wings. That can force turnovers.

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 11:26 AM
Japan is playing Korea now in a 9-16 classification game, whatever that means.

Live Stats (http://www.fiba.com/ls/#13204&13208-36-A)

Live FIBA video stream (http://www.fiba.com/ls/#13204&13208-36-A)

bballbeachbum
07-07-2017, 11:36 AM
Japan is playing Korea now in a 9-16 classification game, whatever that means.

lol. watching the first quarter to me that means Japan's guards can matchup a lot better against Korea than the other teams they played, whatever that means about the Korean team

bballbeachbum
07-07-2017, 11:46 AM
Those of you who watched the games, what's the story on all of the TO's? Putting the ball on the floor, getting stripped? what's the deal? Should we be fretting over this till Fall practice starts?

on top of what Mojo13 already said, another observation is the general unevenness in quality among the teams and an unevenness in quality within teams themselves, and how that affects quality of play. the best players can be quite a bit better than the worst while on the floor together a lot, having to rely on each other, and soemtimes trying to do too much to compensate and having to walk that line, etc. CDC brought it up earlier too.
so personally not fretting them, others maybe a different tune on that from this tournament

kitzbuel
07-07-2017, 11:52 AM
Those of you who watched the games, what's the story on all of the TO's? Putting the ball on the floor, getting stripped? what's the deal? Should we be fretting over this till Fall practice starts?
It's the off season. There is nothing that cannot be raised to highest levels of alarm.

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ZagNative
07-07-2017, 11:57 AM
Korea's pretty much waling on Japan, leading 49-39 with 3:29 left in the third quarter. Rui with 13 points, 6 rebounds, 3 assists, a couple of steals, and 3 turnovers.

Zagdawg
07-07-2017, 12:19 PM
Japan up by 1 with 4:10 left

bballbeachbum
07-07-2017, 12:31 PM
Rui 12-12 from the stripe. Japan was looking to get him the ball late when Korea was fouling on purpose so he would take the FTs, and he delivered big time.
Japan wins

Zagdawg
07-07-2017, 12:32 PM
Rui leads Japan to another win over Korea 77-64 -- 21 pts 9 boards and 4 assists 3 steals and 2 blocks

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 12:38 PM
Japan wins it 77-64.

http://i.imgur.com/yyIThth.jpg

thespywhozaggedme
07-07-2017, 12:39 PM
Rui finished with 21/9 in Japans win over Korea

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 12:55 PM
Meehan's story on Killian and the France-Canada game. (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/jul/07/tillies-big-game-not-enough-as-france-falls-to-can/)


Tillie made 10 of 16 field-goal attempts and 2 of 5 free throws in a team-high 37 minutes. He finished with two steals, two assists and six turnovers.

Tillie entered the game shooting 38.3 percent and averaging 10 points and 7.3 rebounds.

France will face the loser of the U.S.-Germany game on Saturday.

And his story on Rui and Japan's win over Korea. (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/jul/07/hachimuras-21-points-lead-japan-past-korea-at-u19-/)




Japan, led by Gonzaga forward Rui Hachimura, got off to a fast start and a blazing finish to rally past Korea 77-64 Friday at FIBA U19 World Cup in Cairo.

Hachimura finished with 21 points, nine rebounds, four assists, three steals and two blocked shots for Japan, which improved to 2-3 in the tournament.

Hachimura had nine points, three assists and two rebounds as Japan led 25-11 after one quarter. Korea outscored Japan 47-22 in the second and third quarters.

Japan turned it around with a 30-6 edge in the fourth. Japan scored the game’s last 12 points, six on Hachimura free throws.

Hachimura was 4 of 8 from the field and made all 12 of his free throws.

Japan faces host Egypt on Saturday.

sittingon50
07-07-2017, 01:34 PM
It's the off season. There is nothing that cannot be raised to highest levels of alarm.

Sent from my XT1575 using Tapatalk

Wise, this one is.

ZagNative
07-07-2017, 02:11 PM
Those are some cute kids!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEKbdntXcAEsWcK.jpg

Zagdawg
07-07-2017, 03:32 PM
https://twitter.com/FIBA/status/883460643801546752

btzag
07-07-2017, 07:22 PM
on top of what Mojo13 already said, another observation is the general unevenness in quality among the teams and an unevenness in quality within teams themselves, and how that affects quality of play. the best players can be quite a bit better than the worst while on the floor together a lot, having to rely on each other, and soemtimes trying to do too much to compensate and having to walk that line, etc. CDC brought it up earlier too.
so personally not fretting them, others maybe a different tune on that from this tournament

Yes I don't think that Korea team would beat the top HS teams in the NW. Kind of with Lloyd in being surprised that Rui is not putting up 30+ in these games.

Reborn
07-07-2017, 09:14 PM
Yes I don't think that Korea team would beat the top HS teams in the NW. Kind of with Lloyd in being surprised that Rui is not putting up 30+ in these games.

He only took 8 shots and made 4 of them. He's obviously helping others score. Give me a break ok. Pick Pick Pick....aren't you enjoying the summer? Oh by the way Japan lost to Italy who is in the final four by 2 points in the last second of the game. Rui hit 2 three-pointer in 15 seconds to tie the game with 2.4 seconds left on the clock. I doubt if you care, because I doubt if you see anything thats really great. I don't like fans who think so so damn awesome that they have to put down other teams, even if they foreigners. I'd love to see you go one on one with Rui......and come and let us know how uyou did.

thespywhozaggedme
07-08-2017, 07:53 AM
Rui is the leading scorer in the tourney, just as I predicted.

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/playerstats

ZagNative
07-08-2017, 07:59 AM
France lost to Germany this morning,60-86, Box Score (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/0807/France-Germany#|tab=boxscore_statistics)

Killian with 8 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, and 4 turnovers.

Japan vs Egypt coming up in 20 minutes or so, at 9:15 AM.

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 08:02 AM
France lost to Germany this morning,60-86, Box . Score (http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/0807/France-Germany#|tab=boxscore_statistics) Killian with 8 points, 3 rebounds, 2 assists, and 4 turnovers.

Japan vs Egypt coming up in 20 minutes or so, at 9:15 AM.

I am hooked on watching him play in these morning games

ZagNative
07-08-2017, 08:05 AM
He only took 8 shots and made 4 of them. He's obviously helping others score. Give me a break ok. Pick Pick Pick....aren't you enjoying the summer? Oh by the way Japan lost to Italy who is in the final four by 2 points in the last second of the game. Rui hit 2 three-pointer in 15 seconds to tie the game with 2.4 seconds left on the clock. I doubt if you care, because I doubt if you see anything thats really great. I don't like fans who think so so damn awesome that they have to put down other teams, even if they foreigners. I'd love to see you go one on one with Rui......and come and let us know how uyou did.Love you, Reborn!

ZagNative
07-08-2017, 08:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t17gm6PIoXQ

ZagNative
07-08-2017, 08:32 AM
Per Meehan twitter:

France (4-2) vs. Argentina for 7th Sunday.

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 08:36 AM
12 point 1st qtr for Japan. Egypt hyper aware of Rui, sending extra defender out of their zone, and Rui has passed nicely to open teammates under the basket who could not finish, but he handled it nicely.
Egypt also pulling Rui away from defensive basket by pick and rolling him, allowing other Egyptian players to get inside and finish or rebound as Japan have no other paint presence on their team besides Rui. Japan seemed to see enough and went zone

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 09:05 AM
he looks tired to me, and Japan just 9/32 from the floor. perhaps all the minutes in all these back to back games has caught up to him a little?
anyway, another observation on Rui is he has boxed out well defensively. when a shot goes up, he immediately checks for someone to put a body on, he does it every time or seemingly so. good habit

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 09:39 AM
after taking the lead in the 3rd, punctuated by a Rui 3 on Japan's last possession of the quarter, Rui got a rest to start the 4th, and Egypt promptly went on a 9-3 run. Rui back on the floor after his super short rest and delivers a bucket straight away

former1dog
07-08-2017, 09:48 AM
After watching for just a quarter, I've got to say Rui has got some ####ty/selfish teammates. No wonder he can't score 30 a game with those other guys chucking (and missing) so many 3 pointers.

DixieZag
07-08-2017, 09:55 AM
he looks tired to me, and Japan just 9/32 from the floor. perhaps all the minutes in all these back to back games has caught up to him a little?
anyway, another observation on Rui is he has boxed out well defensively. when a shot goes up, he immediately checks for someone to put a body on, he does it every time or seemingly so. good habit

Agree, but so do a lot of players, IMO- - - but, unlike you, I haven't watched any of this until now, last 3:00 of the game. So, you'd be a better judge.

Japan up 3 with 1:39 left

DixieZag
07-08-2017, 09:59 AM
Rui could teach a clinic on proper form for free throws.

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 10:04 AM
Agree, but so do a lot of players, IMO- - - but, unlike you, I haven't watched any of this until now, last 3:00 of the game. So, you'd be a better judge.

Japan up 3 with 1:39 left

all tired, good call

OT to test endurance even more!

former1dog
07-08-2017, 10:05 AM
Frustrating! Rui makes the right play by passing off and fading to the wing to get the pass back and of course his bonehead teammate takes a terrible shot instead of passing out and now its overtime!

DixieZag
07-08-2017, 10:05 AM
Wow, tie game, 8 seconds left, Rui gives up the ball instead of just going straight to the hole, and they don't give it back to him?

Tie game going to OT

Japan really blew the last minute.

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 10:08 AM
agreed guys. Rui hits the open man all the time, leading the break

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 10:23 AM
Rui goes 3-4 from the stripe to close the deal in the waning seconds, nice

former1dog
07-08-2017, 10:26 AM
I don't think the level of competition matters when you're talking end of game, game clinching free throws. Good experience no matter the level. Nice work Rui!

DixieZag
07-08-2017, 10:26 AM
Rui goes 3-4 from the stripe to close the deal in the waning seconds, nice

Given how technically unsound he is with his footwork, etc, it's amazing (and wonderful) that his FT shooting is just technically perfect, couldn't draw it up better. You noted he was tired (I agree), and yet with the game on the line, he was still bending his knees way down, following through. Great stuff.

Japan doesn't come within 20 points of that Egypt team without Rui.

Good win.

katman50
07-08-2017, 10:35 AM
Thanks for the link to the game, ZN. Enjoyed it. Curious what Rui's stats were.

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 10:40 AM
Japan doesn't come within 20 points of that Egypt team without Rui.

agreed, the start of the 4th quarter when Rui sat for a minute clear evidence too

on his FTs, he changed his feet during the tournament, also the follow through with his body. same release, but evolved his approach.
also appeared to improve his post D before the catch as the tournamnet wore on, much more aware of that aspect of defending today seemed to me, and he struggled with that in the opening games

bballbeachbum
07-08-2017, 10:41 AM
Thanks for the link to the game, ZN. Enjoyed it. Curious what Rui's stats were.

http://www.fiba.com/ls/#13204&13211-44-A

katman50
07-08-2017, 10:46 AM
Thanks. Rui has to cut down on his turnovers. Glad the Zags have him.

Reborn
07-08-2017, 10:48 AM
Japan wins in overtime by 3. Rui made 3 out 4 free throws in the last 30 seconds to seal the deal. Japan lasts in the tournament longer than France. Pretty cool. And Italy is now in the finals. I wasn't able to watch the game but did follow the score for the entire second half. How were you all able to watch the game? Is there a replay so I can watch it. I love watching Rui play.

Reborn
07-08-2017, 10:51 AM
Given how technically unsound he is with his footwork, etc, it's amazing (and wonderful) that his FT shooting is just technically perfect, couldn't draw it up better. You noted he was tired (I agree), and yet with the game on the line, he was still bending his knees way down, following through. Great stuff.

Japan doesn't come within 20 points of that Egypt team without Rui.

Good win.

This was the amazing thing in every game. Japan was a pretty bad team without Rui; both offensively and defensively and rebounding. That young man must feel really proud,and I think this tournament will help his confidence a lot. It must be nice of him to be able to play with players and coaches who can speak the same language.

Radbooks
07-08-2017, 11:38 AM
Japan wins in overtime by 3. Rui made 3 out 4 free throws in the last 30 seconds to seal the deal. Japan lasts in the tournament longer than France. Pretty cool. And Italy is now in the finals. I wasn't able to watch the game but did follow the score for the entire second half. How were you all able to watch the game? Is there a replay so I can watch it. I love watching Rui play.

France is still in it. They play tomorrow for 7th/8th place. Japan also plays tomorrow, but for 9th/10th place.

thespywhozaggedme
07-08-2017, 12:01 PM
RJ Barret could play in the NBA right now, 33 vs USA after 3 qtrs and Canada is up by 7.

Zag365
07-08-2017, 02:16 PM
And, maybe a bunch of press coverage too. The Japanese press seems to show up regularly to cover Japanese players on American teams.

thespywhozaggedme
07-08-2017, 02:48 PM
RJ Barret could play in the NBA right now, 33 vs USA after 3 qtrs and Canada is up by 7.

He finished with 38 in Canada's HUGE upset win over USA. Coach Cal, first team USA coach to lose a game since Paul Hewitt in 2011.

hooter73
07-08-2017, 03:15 PM
So is the general consensus that Tillie is under performing in FIBA?

OntZags
07-08-2017, 03:38 PM
So is the general consensus that Tillie is under performing in FIBA?

I don't know that I'd go that far. I wouldn't put too much stock in the prelim games as almost everybody makes it and it's a feeling out process as much as anything.

He was a beast in their most important game (22 pts, 17 rebounds) keeping it tight against their toughest opposition in Canada who just upset the U.S. in the semis. I would put no stock in how performs in classification games as I'm sure his mindset has now shifted to Gonzaga.

btzag
07-08-2017, 06:00 PM
He only took 8 shots and made 4 of them. He's obviously helping others score. Give me a break ok. Pick Pick Pick....aren't you enjoying the summer? Oh by the way Japan lost to Italy who is in the final four by 2 points in the last second of the game. Rui hit 2 three-pointer in 15 seconds to tie the game with 2.4 seconds left on the clock. I doubt if you care, because I doubt if you see anything thats really great. I don't like fans who think so so damn awesome that they have to put down other teams, even if they foreigners. I'd love to see you go one on one with Rui......and come and let us know how uyou did.

Haha come on reborn... I think I am viewing Rui exactly how Tommy Lloyd is. He is playing really well but he definitely has more potential in him vs really poor competition. Some posters on this board think he's gonna be a superstar next year and maybe even leave for the pros. I think he's going to be good but he's still got plenty of development to do. Just trying to bring a dose of reality to all the kool aid drinkers around here....

jazzdelmar
07-08-2017, 06:48 PM
So is the general consensus that Tillie is under performing in FIBA?

Yes, and that Rui has work to do.

MDABE80
07-08-2017, 07:43 PM
Both do. Clumsy play won't do it . Rui with the TO's and Tillie? well just looks out of sorts. Points are there but content and quality of the play is not quite there yet.

adoptedzag
07-08-2017, 09:48 PM
Both do. Clumsy play won't do it . Rui with the TO's and Tillie? well just looks out of sorts. Points are there but content and quality of the play is not quite there yet.

Focusing on Rui, he's young, even for an incoming sophmore, so his draft stock will be high. If he gets the run with the Zags that we all hope he does, I think he may go.

ZagMan in Philly
07-09-2017, 06:18 AM
His offense is pretty good, love that spin move and the slam, nice footwork, and some of his passes are just beautiful...he got fouled with a potential winning shot and didn't get the call today.
27 pts 11 rebs 3 assts against Puerto Rico, Japan lost 68-67

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos

azzagfan
07-09-2017, 07:38 AM
His offense is pretty good, love that spin move and the slam, nice footwork, and some of his passes are just beautiful...he got fouled with a potential winning shot and didn't get the call today.
27 pts 11 rebs 3 assts against Puerto Rico, Japan lost 68-67

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos

For all the offensive skill, the defense (and it's actually defensive effort, watch his help D on some of Puerto Rico's highlights) will raise Mark Few's blood pressure significantly...

http://www.fiba.com/world/u19/2017/videos/Puerto-Rico-vs-Japan-Highlights-CL-9-10-FIBA-U19-Basketball-World-Cup-2017

thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 07:45 AM
He is the second leading score in this entire tournament that is literally filled with dozens of future professional players and so many of you can only find things to nitpick about. Sad

ZagNative
07-09-2017, 08:07 AM
He is the second leading score in this entire tournament that is literally filled with dozens of future professional players and so many of you can only find things to nitpick about. SadAin't it the truth?

This board has gotten almost unreadable because of the negativity that permeates it. It's just weird. Is it that some folks just want to appear smart, with high standards? Again, it's just weird ...

Zagricultural
07-09-2017, 08:35 AM
Ain't it the truth?

This board has gotten almost unreadable because of the negativity that permeates it. It's just weird. Is it that some folks just want to appear smart, with high standards? Again, it's just weird ...

Possibly, but his effort on D was nonexistent on the highlights mentioned. Play like that and he'll ride pine again this year.

ZagMan in Philly
07-09-2017, 08:43 AM
Tillie led France in a big way against Argentina. He has improved so much. 17 pts 12 rebs 5 assts 3 steals

amaronizag
07-09-2017, 08:45 AM
ZagNative, I admit to being one of the negative Nancy's about the FIBA games and said they were even harder to watch than the NBA Summer League games. My comments were made early in the schedules, but now I can honestly report that I kept watching and have seen some good FIBA games and some good G league games. Fun to watch Collins and Goss play on opposing teams, loved watching Karno have a great performance on one team after being played out of position and showing poorly on the previous team. No complaints from me. Loved seeing Rui, Tillie, and Pangos too. I spent some hot afternoons watching TV in a cool place with an iced beverage. It has been a great diversion from my normal summer routine. My only complaint now is that I didn't see Jordan Mathews play.

Zags_Fanatic
07-09-2017, 09:23 AM
I think I've watched this clip of Rui's 4th quarter assist today about 15 times: https://streamable.com/0i58g

MDABE80
07-09-2017, 09:25 AM
Is FIBA known for defense? Any country play serious defense?

thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 09:37 AM
Possibly, but his effort on D was nonexistent on the highlights mentioned. Play like that and he'll ride pine again this year.

Didn't stop Ammo from playing major minutes. Rui has all of the offensive weapons that ammo did plus is 10 times more athletic and yes plays bad defense, but not as bad as Ammo. He is too good to stay on the bench.

thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 09:38 AM
I think I've watched this clip of Rui's 4th quarter assist today about 15 times: https://streamable.com/0i58g

Wow, first time I saw that; amazing court vision.

thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 09:40 AM
Is FIBA known for defense? Any country play serious defense?

Like any team it depends on the individual player and how much his coach demands from him. The commentators in the USA Canada game were shocked that coach Cal was not full court pressing Canada the whole time in their defense was terrible as the Canadian players were driving to the rim at will.

stretch
07-09-2017, 09:49 AM
Is FIBA known for defense? Any country play serious defense?

From a Canadian perspective, putting together a cohesive defensive unit is a difficult task in about 10 days of practice and few exhibition games leading to the U19 championship tournament. There is not a whole lot of continuity from last years Canadian U18 team as many of Canada's top players chose not to participate for various reasons.

jazzdelmar
07-09-2017, 10:01 AM
Like any team it depends on the individual player and how much his coach demands from him. The commentators in the USA Canada game were shocked that coach Cal was not full court pressing Canada the whole time in their defense was terrible as the Canadian players were driving to the rim at will.

What, coach Crookapari can't coach? Shocked, I'm shocked. Betcha he's cooing with Barrett though.

Zags_Fanatic
07-09-2017, 10:01 AM
Rui needs to spend some time learning defense with J3, he can really be a great mentor as he stretches out to the perimeter to guard the wing. His defense isn't great, but instead of defending against elite players in his developmental years he likely never saw a player his size in Japan. It's going to be a major adjustment but he has the length, speed and tools and it's just a matter of putting it all together in college.

Coach Crazy
07-09-2017, 10:04 AM
Critiquing is not inherently negative, in terms of the connotation some are going for here.

If someone makes a critique, and you either don't understand it or don't agree...address it in principle. If you can't or don't want to, just move on.

Some here seem to think that basketball is all appeal to authority and fan boy-ism's.

If someone is going too far, whole other issue.


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Zagceo
07-09-2017, 10:28 AM
I think I've watched this clip of Rui's 4th quarter assist today about 15 times: https://streamable.com/0i58g

Magic Johnson dish.

Imagine Jonathan Silas Josh Killian Zach Jesse Corey Jeremy and Rui running up tempo offense.....offensive juggernaut

jazzdelmar
07-09-2017, 10:34 AM
Critiquing is not inherently negative, in terms of the connotation some are going for here.

If someone makes a critique, and you either don't understand it or don't agree...address it in principle. If you can't or don't want to, just move on.

Some here seem to think that basketball is all appeal to authority and fan boy-ism's.

If someone is going too far, whole other issue.


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Somewhat OT. If you want to see the most egregious fan boy utterings perhaps ever, catch the LA media and their descriptions of Lonzo's first 2 games. He could be the worst shooter in NBA history and his defense is still apparently back on the UCLA campus. Still, the gushing from Magic and his stooge Pelinka to the broadcasters and even otherwise respectable journos like Plaschke is hilarious.

thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 10:55 AM
What, coach Crookapari can't coach? Shocked, I'm shocked. Betcha he's cooing with Barrett though.

Surprised he didn't hire his dad as a coach right there on the spot

Coach Crazy
07-09-2017, 11:26 AM
Somewhat OT. If you want to see the most egregious fan boy utterings perhaps ever, catch the LA media and their descriptions of Lonzo's first 2 games. He could be the worst shooter in NBA history and his defense is still apparently back on the UCLA campus. Still, the gushing from Magic and his stooge Pelinka to the broadcasters and even otherwise respectable journos like Plaschke is hilarious.

Yeah, Lonzo has looked pedestrian, thus far. He needs to put 15 or 20 pounds, and I think people in LA will have to start realizing that a facilitator can only make people a certain amount better. When Nance is a fan favorite, your roster has major issues that $500 shows can't fix.


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jazzdelmar
07-09-2017, 12:12 PM
Yeah, Lonzo has looked pedestrian, thus far. He needs to put 15 or 20 pounds, and I think people in LA will have to start realizing that a facilitator can only make people a certain amount better. When Nance is a fan favorite, your roster has major issues that $500 shows can't fix.


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Agree on that. It's not like he's going to be feeding Worthy and Kareem. But to hear the Lakes announcers, it's like, "this is just a summer run, wait until he plays with the first unit." McFly, they suck too. Still, his shooting is atrocious, something like 7-28. Find a comment on that. Not bloody likely. The Celtic kid looks great; and Phillys first pick is hurt, figure that.

Reborn
07-09-2017, 12:13 PM
I really enjoyed watching both of our GU players in the Fiba tournament. They led their teams to 5th place for France and 10th place for Japan. Rui ends up the second highest scorer in the tournament. Tillie ended up the 15th. What's amazing about Tillie is that after the second day of play he was ranked 78th. In five games he climbed 63 places. I imagine Rui may have been the highest rebounder. Tillie is an all around player. He led France in all categories of play today: 17 points, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, and 1 block. That's outstanding in my mind.

For Japan to finish 10th out of 32 teams is really good and says alot about Hachimura. Japan is not too good without him really, and had pretty bad guards. I can imagine him with 4 really good Zag players on the court with him. And Tillie continues to show how tough he is. He is a great defensive player and gives it 100% on every play. He is going to really help Gonzaga next year. In some ways he does remind me of Sabonis, especially in the effort he gives. He is also very very tough. It was really great to watch these two Zags play,especially because they both were the best players on their teams. I can hardly wait for next year.

Go Zags!!!

Coach Crazy
07-09-2017, 01:29 PM
Agree on that. It's not like he's going to be feeding Worthy and Kareem. But to hear the Lakes announcers, it's like, "this is just a summer run, wait until he plays with the first unit." McFly, they suck too. Still, his shooting is atrocious, something like 7-28. Find a comment on that. Not bloody likely. The Celtic kid looks great; and Phillys first pick is hurt, figure that.

I'm more a fan of Josh Jackson, but Tatum kind of reminds of a more mobile version of Tim Duncan at the 3...in terms of style.

I would take Fox over Ball. I would take Fultz over him, as well. I will say that I think Lonzo Ball isn't a scrub. He's just in a situation he isn't likely to live up to, at the moment.


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Reborn
07-09-2017, 04:27 PM
I'm not a moderator, but I will speak up and say, i am really tired of people trashing threads. It's disrespectful in my mind, and a sign of laziness. I really wish the mods would clean this "crap" up. This is a thread about the Fiba tournament, and I come here to read about it, and especially Rui and Tillie. This crap about the Lakers doesn't even belong on GUBoards, and I see people who are posting about that crap who've been members here a long time. It's disgraceful in my mind to post anything about the Lakers, or any other NBA team that doesn't have Collins, NWG, Mathews and Mt K on it, and those who post about them should NOT post here on the FIBA thread. I here other fans here posting the same criticism and complaint that I am so I'm not alone. I do believe this is a forum about GU basketball, and it SHOULD stay that way. PLEASE moderators, take out this crap about the NBA and the Lakers....PLEASE.

Bogozags
07-09-2017, 04:47 PM
I'm not a moderator, but I will speak up and say, i am really tired of people trashing threads. It's disrespectful in my mind, and a sign of laziness. I really wish the mods would clean this "crap" up. This is a thread about the Fiba tournament, and I come here to read about it, and especially Rui and Tillie. This crap about the Lakers doesn't even belong on GUBoards, and I see people who are posting about that crap who've been members here a long time. It's disgraceful in my mind to post anything about the Lakers, or any other NBA team that doesn't have Collins, NWG, Mathews and Mt K on it, and those who post about them should NOT post here on the FIBA thread. I here other fans here posting the same criticism and complaint that I am so I'm not alone. I do believe this is a forum about GU basketball, and it SHOULD stay that way. PLEASE moderators, take out this crap about the NBA and the Lakers....PLEASE.

+1

ZagNative
07-09-2017, 05:46 PM
I'm not a moderator, but I will speak up and say, i am really tired of people trashing threads. It's disrespectful in my mind, and a sign of laziness. I really wish the mods would clean this "crap" up. This is a thread about the Fiba tournament, and I come here to read about it, and especially Rui and Tillie. This crap about the Lakers doesn't even belong on GUBoards, and I see people who are posting about that crap who've been members here a long time. It's disgraceful in my mind to post anything about the Lakers, or any other NBA team that doesn't have Collins, NWG, Mathews and Mt K on it, and those who post about them should NOT post here on the FIBA thread. I here other fans here posting the same criticism and complaint that I am so I'm not alone. I do believe this is a forum about GU basketball, and it SHOULD stay that way. PLEASE moderators, take out this crap about the NBA and the Lakers....PLEASE.+1,000. Well said, Reborn.