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thebigsmoove
06-15-2017, 08:38 AM
Based on all my "inside" info i get from Louisville and Kentucky fans around here, Louisville is losing 117 wins from 2010-2014, 2 final fours, 1 national title, 2 big east tourney titles, Pitino with 5 games suspended, 4 years probation, Andre McGee with a 10 year show cause penalty, Louisville must return all revenue during that time, and they will lose scholarships. Amazing.

kitzbuel
06-15-2017, 09:01 AM
Seems to be consistent with what is reported. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/06/15/louisville-coach-suspended-pitino-benched-in-escort-case.html

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TexasZagFan
06-15-2017, 09:53 AM
Hopefully the investigation of UNC's academic scandal will be completed before Louisville comes off probation.

NCAA gave Louisville 45 days to identify the games that involved ineligible players.

willandi
06-15-2017, 10:54 AM
Hopefully the investigation of UNC's academic scandal will be completed before Louisville comes off probation.

NCAA gave Louisville 45 days to identify the games that involved ineligible players.

Agreed. UNC is gaming the system by adding charges at the last minute and then defying the NCAA to do anything. I agree that the NCAA is not an academic sanctioning tool, but feel they should have agreed with UNC and said that, while they can't really do much, receiving money for the NCAA B'Ball tournament is reliant on teams observing, and playing by, the rules. Since you (UNC) don't want to, you are no longer a member of the NCAA.

I expect that, when the excrement hits the oscillating air movement device, the NCAA will come down even harder on UNC than on Louisville. It's a longer period of time, and their defiance WILL weigh in, in my opinion.

TexasZagFan
06-15-2017, 11:00 AM
Agreed. UNC is gaming the system by adding charges at the last minute and then defying the NCAA to do anything. I agree that the NCAA is not an academic sanctioning tool, but feel they should have agreed with UNC and said that, while they can't really do much, receiving money for the NCAA B'Ball tournament is reliant on teams observing, and playing by, the rules. Since you (UNC) don't want to, you are no longer a member of the NCAA.

I expect that, when the excrement hits the oscillating air movement device, the NCAA will come down even harder on UNC than on Louisville. It's a longer period of time, and their defiance WILL weigh in, in my opinion.

I hope you're right. I'm no expert, but if basketball players took classes that didn't meet educational standards, I think they could rule them ineligible.

MDABE80
06-15-2017, 11:05 AM
Sex sells and is sensational for the media. Louisville as an institution wasn't complicit. UNC's problem goes to the fabric/structure of the institution and , to me, is far worse. I'd void most of UNC's games since this began and demand a huge some of money while curtailing recruitment.

amaronizag
06-15-2017, 11:17 AM
UNC's games should be voided and their players and recruits should be immediately transferred to the 2017 National Championship runner-up.

NotoriousZ
06-15-2017, 11:32 AM
Vacating UNC's accomplishments from last year would give us the title. At least that's how I would see it.

:)

Bogozags
06-15-2017, 11:54 AM
Pitino's suspension will most likely be for the first five games of the season...to bad it won't be during the ACC season or during the tournament...

UNC should pay a higher penalty but my guess is that they will not be put on probation, because those players currently on scholarship, could legally transfer and be eligible immediately! That would also cause other recruits that are considering UNC to consider other options...

UL and UNC are both "blue bloods" and they don't want to upset the balance of power in the ACC...IMO

23dpg
06-15-2017, 12:02 PM
Sex sells and is sensational for the media. Louisville as an institution wasn't complicit. UNC's problem goes to the fabric/structure of the institution and , to me, is far worse. I'd void most of UNC's games since this began and demand a huge some of money while curtailing recruitment.

Agree with this.

soccerdud
06-15-2017, 12:05 PM
Pitino's suspension will most likely be for the first five games of the season...to bad it won't be during the ACC season or during the tournament...

from what i've read, i believe it's the first 5 conference games. not, as you say, the first five games of the season.

thebigsmoove
06-15-2017, 12:35 PM
from what i've read, i believe it's the first 5 conference games. not, as you say, the first five games of the season.

i think they were alluding to the likelihood that it will be amended to the first 5 games of the season after appeal as it has for other coaches before.

Bogozags
06-15-2017, 12:42 PM
from what i've read, i believe it's the first 5 conference games. not, as you say, the first five games of the season.

GOOD! Too bad it isn't the whole season.

Zag_Dad
06-15-2017, 02:31 PM
Based on all my "inside" info i get from Louisville and Kentucky fans around here, Louisville is losing 117 wins from 2010-2014, 2 final fours, 1 national title, 2 big east tourney titles, Pitino with 5 games suspended, 4 years probation, Andre McGee with a 10 year show cause penalty, Louisville must return all revenue during that time, and they will lose scholarships. Amazing.

Are they going to force Pitino to have his tattoo removed?

CDC84
06-15-2017, 08:08 PM
More from TSN:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/louisville-basketball-ncaa-investigation-infractions-championship-rick-pitino-suspension-breaking-cardinal-rules/1mvt42ffox5s21j2k035kusxys

The key thing about this deal is that this is the first time that the infractions committee has stripped a school of its national title in basketball:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/louisville-basketball-ncaa-investigation-infractions-championship-rick-pitino-suspension-breaking-cardinal-rules/1mvt42ffox5s21j2k035kusxys


It bears repeating: The NCAA never has vacated a championship in its billion-dollar basketball tournament. Never.

It didn’t act against any of UCLA’s 1970s teams after revelations of booster Sam Gilbert’s involvement with some team members.

It didn’t act against Kansas 2008 team after it was revealed that forward Darrell Arthur’s high school team was stripped of a state championship because some of his grades (and those of some teammates) were changed to keep him eligible.

There have been ten instances of teams that reached the Final Four having those appearances stricken from the record. That included 2008, when Memphis’ Derrick Rose missed a free throw with 10.8 seconds left that might have clinched the title for the Tigers; a year later, the NCAA removed that Final Four appearance because Rose’s qualifying admissions test score subsequently was vacated by the testing service.

The disparity in the NCAA’s handling of Arthur’s and Rose’s circumstances suggested the result of the game played a part in their dispensations.

Which is why many of us assumed for years that whatever transpires with North Carolina’s academic case would not involve the removal of championships won during the time period the NCAA is investigating.

We can’t say for certain that the Tar Heels are in jeopardy now, but surely they’re sweating more than they might have been Wednesday.

bartruff1
06-16-2017, 05:30 AM
#1 best selling basketball book at Amazon....I would never have guessed that so many people were interested in the NCAA Rules and Sanctions ...

thebigsmoove
06-16-2017, 06:02 AM
Are they going to force Pitino to have his tattoo removed?

:roll:

Maybe replace it with a crying jordan face?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7TRFkqXUAESHh4.jpg

TheOtherGreatOne
06-16-2017, 08:23 AM
It would not give us the title. It would just go down in the books as vacated.

amaronizag
06-18-2017, 12:35 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/jay-bilas-north-carolina-ncaa-academic-fraud-duke-lawyer/55w0b4jfklt51rdc728g0byjb

Jay Bilas doesn't think the NCAA has a case against UNC.

JPtheBeasta
06-20-2017, 07:13 PM
"Many at-risk student-athletes, particularly in the sports of football and men's basketball, used these courses for purposes of ensuring their continuing NCAA academic eligibility," the latest notice said.
The Tar Heels' 2005 NCAA championship, which involved players who took many fake classes, is squarely back in play to be vacated. The latest notice expanded the time frame for the violations and now looks at fall 2002 until summer 2011. The second notice alleged the violations ran from fall 2005 to summer 2011, neatly preserving UNC's national title in spring 2005.
The NCAA has added a charge of unethical conduct and providing extra benefits against Deborah Crowder and Julius Nyang'oro, who created the fake class scheme. UNC's athletic department "leveraged the relationship with Crowder and Nyang'oro to obtain special arrangements for student-athletes in violation of extra-benefit legislation," the notice said.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/north-carolinas-arrogance-might-have-backfired-in-ncaa-academic-fraud-case/

I agree that if you are using fake classes to maintain eligibility for basketball, then it does fall under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. In order to be a student athlete, you have to a bona fide student, which means you have to take legitimate courses and not cheat to get passing grades in them. If the NCAA can't police that, then who else is supposed to? An honor system obviously doesn't work...