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Section 116
05-04-2017, 02:49 PM
I don't believe this one has posted yet. If it has I missed it and apologize! From the Gonzaga Bulletin. There is a lot of information here, well worth the few minutes to read: http://www.gonzagabulletin.com/online/article_aa574850-304c-11e7-b7d4-4f42347ea887.html

TexasZagFan
05-05-2017, 04:33 AM
I don't believe this one has posted yet. If it has I missed it and apologize! From the Gonzaga Bulletin. There is a lot of information here, well worth the few minutes to read: http://www.gonzagabulletin.com/online/article_aa574850-304c-11e7-b7d4-4f42347ea887.html

Thanks for posting. As I suspected, much of his info came from the Bloomberg article of two years ago, which has been linked in at least two threads here.

What I find disappointing was the absence of any questions to the WCC office, specifically the Commissioner. That would have made for a much better article IMHO.

thebigsmoove
05-05-2017, 04:58 AM
What I find disappointing was the absence of any questions to the WCC office, specifically the Commissioner. That would have made for a much better article IMHO.

This would seem to support the idea that the WCC isnt as comfortable and friendly as many posters here think it is. I wonder what the realities of parking our non basketball sports in the Big Sky and going independent in basketball would present. I gotta feel that we would be better off monetarily. Idk...just thinking out loud.

bartruff1
05-05-2017, 06:06 AM
I just don't think this is a big deal...in the first place , I suspect it is a small % of the operating budget of the schools....and in the second place, the league gets a automatic bid, so if Gonzaga didn't get it, someone else would....

I suppose you could argue that Gonzaga is responsible for the money earned by a second bid and games won..... but I doubt that amounts to 60% of revenue...

In any case, ....I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to this issue or crunched any numbers....it is what it is..

thebigsmoove
05-05-2017, 06:49 AM
I just don't think this is a big deal...in the first place , I suspect it is a small % of the operating budget of the schools....and in the second place, the league gets a automatic bid, so if Gonzaga didn't get it, someone else would....

I suppose you could argue that Gonzaga is responsible for the money earned by a second bid and games won..... but I doubt that amounts to 60% of revenue...

In any case, I think it is a red herring...BUT.....I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to this issue or crunched any numbers....it is what it is..

The article expressly stated that the university is fighting to get all shares after the auto qualifier...This year that would have been $9 million. Thats a huge chunk of revenue.

ZagsObserver
05-05-2017, 07:08 AM
The article expressly stated that the university is fighting to get all shares after the auto qualifier...This year that would have been $9 million. Thats a huge chunk of revenue.

Yep. The word "all" might be a little strong, but certainly a good chunk of it.

DixieZag
05-05-2017, 07:27 AM
I just don't think this is a big deal...in the first place , I suspect it is a small % of the operating budget of the schools....and in the second place, the league gets a automatic bid, so if Gonzaga didn't get it, someone else would....

I suppose you could argue that Gonzaga is responsible for the money earned by a second bid and games won..... but I doubt that amounts to 60% of revenue...

In any case, I think it is a red herring...BUT.....I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to this issue or crunched any numbers....it is what it is..

I don't know enough about it to speak to it, but I don't think it can be a red hearing because it's sure mattered to Thayne, Roth and Few for quite some time, and those're busy guys who I don't think would expend a lot of energy on anything that doesn't matter.

TexasZagFan
05-05-2017, 08:16 AM
I just don't think this is a big deal...in the first place , I suspect it is a small % of the operating budget of the schools....and in the second place, the league gets a automatic bid, so if Gonzaga didn't get it, someone else would....

I suppose you could argue that Gonzaga is responsible for the money earned by a second bid and games won..... but I doubt that amounts to 60% of revenue...

In any case, I think it is a red herring...BUT.....I have to admit that I haven't paid much attention to this issue or crunched any numbers....it is what it is..

FWIW, since 2010, WCC teams have "earned" 34 units:

Zags - 22/34 = 65%
SMC - 8/34 = 23%
BYU - 4/34 = 12%

TexasZagFan
05-05-2017, 08:19 AM
I don't know enough about it to speak to it, but I don't think it can be a red hearing because it's sure mattered to Thayne, Roth and Few for quite some time, and those're busy guys who I don't think would expend a lot of energy on anything that doesn't matter.

Just a reminder, the WCC has two years left on its TV contract with ESPN. Would ESPN renew the contract if the Zags are leaving the WCC?

ZagsObserver
05-05-2017, 08:52 AM
Just a reminder, the WCC has two years left on its TV contract with ESPN. Would ESPN renew the contract if the Zags are leaving the WCC?

If they do renew there will probably be a clause that if GU or BYU (biggest viewership interest by a large margin) were to leave, the contract revenue decreases by a stipulated amount. That should, in turn, motivate the conference to retain these two. "Should" being the operative word.

Birddog
05-05-2017, 09:03 AM
This would seem to support the idea that the WCC isnt as comfortable and friendly as many posters here think it is. I wonder what the realities of parking our non basketball sports in the Big Sky and going independent in basketball would present. I gotta feel that we would be better off monetarily. Idk...just thinking out loud.
Big Sky doesn't have the same sports for one and would be a step down for many (Womens BB for instance)), and how do you get into the NCAA Tournament if you're independent. Better yet, how do you schedule games when other conferences are in league play?

TexasZagFan
05-05-2017, 09:27 AM
Big Sky doesn't have the same sports for one and would be a step down for many (Womens BB for instance)), and how do you get into the NCAA Tournament if you're independent. Better yet, how do you schedule games when other conferences are in league play?

Last question's the deal breaker to going independent. Most conferences play so many games that it eliminates the chance for an OOC game during February.

bartruff1
05-05-2017, 09:31 AM
FWIW, since 2010, WCC teams have "earned" 34 units:

Zags - 22/34 = 65%
SMC - 8/34 = 23%
BYU - 4/34 = 12%

Come on Tex, you know full well that if Gonzaga had not got the automatic some one else would have....

bartruff1
05-05-2017, 09:35 AM
I don't know enough about it to speak to it, but I don't think it can be a red hearing because it's sure mattered to Thayne, Roth and Few for quite some time, and those're busy guys who I don't think would expend a lot of energy on anything that doesn't matter.

Good point Dixie, since I have no idea if they spend ten minutes or ten days per year on the subject.... " I will revise and extend my remarks "....

Zagdawg
05-05-2017, 09:54 AM
With the 7 years auto bids going to a different school (since 2010) the Zags have actually only earned 44% of the proceeds --- but when you go down that path --the league would have probably got less teams in because the at large bids would have been the conference winner --St Marys (if you take the Zags out of it).

thebigsmoove
05-05-2017, 10:19 AM
Last question's the deal breaker to going independent. Most conferences play so many games that it eliminates the chance for an OOC game during February.

Yes and no. We could get games in January and February. We have before. there are usually open dates on mondays-tuesdays. some teams get breaks in schedule here and there too. It would be difficult for sure, not an easy endeavor. You just have to wonder, if no major conference will have us, and the WCC is taking advantage of us, what is our best option at this point? Do we just lay down and take the disrespect?

CDC84
05-05-2017, 10:26 AM
With all the recent conference expansion, being an independent would be impossible. I believe the ACC is going to a 20 game league sked in 2019. There just isn't any room anymore. It's why we see almost no intersectional matchups during league play unless it's the SEC/Big 12 Challenge in late January or whenever it is. Teams are playing at least 2 games per week. They don't want to play anymore.

GoZags
05-06-2017, 06:02 AM
My opinion remains that the "key" is "incremental" units. The WCC will get one unit for getting a bid (regardless of "who" gets that bid). Thus, the incremental units (at large bids and wins/extra games in the dance) are the "extra" revenue generators.

Since the dance expanded to 64 schools in 1984, here's the actual breakdown of WCC "incremental" units by school .... Gonzaga 33, SMC 8, LMU 4, BYU 4, Pepperdine 3, Santa Clara 2, USD 1, Portland 0, USF 0, Pacific 0

Ekrub
05-06-2017, 10:27 AM
My opinion remains that the "key" is "incremental" units. The WCC will get one unit for getting a bid (regardless of "who" gets that bid). Thus, the incremental units (at large bids and wins/extra games in the dance) are the "extra" revenue generators.

Since the dance expanded to 64 schools in 1984, here's the actual breakdown of WCC "incremental" units by school .... Gonzaga 33, SMC 8, LMU 4, BYU 4, Pepperdine 3, Santa Clara 2, USD 1, Portland 0, USF 0, Pacific 0

Yes every year we get an at large bid - we are opening the door for a possible autobid that isn't GU.