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thebigsmoove
05-02-2017, 11:28 AM
Looks like we are in on Rooks after all, 4.9 points, 4.5 boards at Cal last year. Grad transfer, eligible for 2017-18. Son of former NBA player Sean Rooks. Im sure Jordan is in his ear.

Gonzaga in on Rooks (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/may/02/gonzaga-one-of-nine-on-cal-graduate-transfer-kamer/)

Zag_Dad
05-02-2017, 12:10 PM
Looks like we are in on Rooks after all, 4.9 points, 4.5 boards at Cal last year. Grad transfer, eligible for 2017-18. Son of former NBA player Sean Rooks. Im sure Jordan is in his ear.

Gonzaga in on Rooks (http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/may/02/gonzaga-one-of-nine-on-cal-graduate-transfer-kamer/)

Those on the board who are good at analyzing talent ... is he a good fit? Looks like he was recruited by UW, Zona and Cal out of high school. Missed his sophomore year due to injury and has had pedestrian numbers in seasons where he played meaningful minutes. He's got good size and would give us five extra fouls. Seems like he's a good fit for our needs.

Thoughts?

Zags_Fanatic
05-02-2017, 12:19 PM
Those on the board who are good at analyzing talent ... is he a good fit? Looks like he was recruited by UW, Zona and Cal out of high school. Missed his sophomore year due to injury and has had pedestrian numbers in seasons where he played meaningful minutes. He's got good size and would give us five extra fouls. Seems like he's a good fit for our needs.

Thoughts?

Gonzaga offered him, too. We need size and have scholarships to spare. I don't see any downside to it for GU. If his focus is on winning he will have a great season, if he is focused on starting and playing major minutes with a lot of touches he might be happier elsewhere.

willandi
05-02-2017, 12:24 PM
Gonzaga offered him, too. We need size and have scholarships to spare. I don't see any downside to it for GU. If his focus is on winning he will have a great season, if he is focused on starting and playing major minutes with a lot of touches he might be happier elsewhere.

But our back up last year is probably a lottery pick. I know Rooks isn't that good , but it does show that even the Zags back ups get noticed. So would he want to start and have no post season (he's already done that) or have a chance at a run (rhetorical question)? I wonder if Mathews has been in touch with him?

gonzagafan62
05-02-2017, 12:25 PM
Thoughts?

FG% in the 50s.... haven't seen any tape yet but that number sticks out to me. Still need to see the tape to see what type of player he is

Zags_Fanatic
05-02-2017, 12:38 PM
Seems like he was a very good defender but a bit uncoordinated on offense. I'd like to see what Coach Daniels can do with him but I think he could complement J3 nicely in the front court as a defensive specialist. There will be a huge shift to making the backcourt the priority next season no matter what and I hope Rooks could play well into that.

MontanaCoyote
05-02-2017, 12:51 PM
Thoughts?

FG% in the 50s.... haven't seen any tape yet but that number sticks out to me. Still need to see the tape to see what type of player he is

Has a beard! Can't match Karno's, but it's a start.

Zagceo
05-02-2017, 12:53 PM
Here a video from march 2016 between Cal and Hawaii in Spokane! so we know he's been to Spokane.

Jordan looks like he crossed feet with Rooks at 2:15...2:50 Rooks goes up strong and one

Its a year old footage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL51fg1kCfk

hooter73
05-02-2017, 12:58 PM
Huh, looks about what we need, wonder if we are what he wants. Funny how stuff works out. Basketball is so cool.

MDABE80
05-02-2017, 01:09 PM
1 year for a big space eater who can/might be trained to be productive in the GU system? Of course! If the boys don't have nything more productive, why not? if they do have something better, put this on hold.

zagfan24
05-02-2017, 01:19 PM
NBA pedigree always helps. I think there's something to be said about kids who grow up with parents who play professionally.

tyra
05-02-2017, 01:22 PM
A "very good defender" (one person's opinion) who takes up space and
Can give minutes?! Holy cow, seems exactly what we need!

Goshzagit
05-02-2017, 01:36 PM
not turning him into an All-American next yr, yet feel this kid would be a perfect fit & would flourish in our system/scheme.

Has a nice back to the basket game, just never really the focus.

Good motor, solid footwork, terrific size.

Honestly, stats aren't great, but would be a great get.

I feel we are the best fit for him as he is for us.

Ezag
05-02-2017, 01:43 PM
doesn't excite me

Zag_Dad
05-02-2017, 01:50 PM
doesn't excite me

Care to share why not?

Given the needs for next season and limited number of available Centers, I am actually kinda excited about the possibility that he could end up with GU. You can't coach size!

adoptedzag
05-02-2017, 01:53 PM
doesn't excite me

This late in the game, he's about the best that is a) available b) willing to come to Spokane. \_(ツ)_/ If he's coachable, I think we could make it work with him at GU.

adoptedzag
05-02-2017, 01:55 PM
not turning him into an All-American next yr, yet feel this kid would be a perfect fit & would flourish in our system/scheme.

Has a nice back to the basket game, just never really the focus.

Good motor, solid footwork, terrific size.

Honestly, stats aren't great, but would be a great get.

I feel we are the best fit for him as he is for us.

Emphasis mine. This is the point that is lost on a lot of people. We don't need him to be a transcendent player. We just need him to work within the system and do what he can do.

ZagsObserver
05-02-2017, 02:27 PM
This late in the game, he's about the best that is a) available b) willing to come to Spokane. \_(ツ)_/ If he's coachable, I think we could make it work with him at GU.

For depth, he's a plus. But he won't be one of the main pillars. Don't know that he comes to GU given that reality.

seacatfan
05-02-2017, 02:40 PM
I know I've seen him play against Arizona a handful of times. He made literally no impression on me at all. I couldn't tell you the first thing about what his game is like. That's not a good thing. I was very aware of guys like Mathews and Wesley before they transferred to GU. I don't really think he's starter quality for GU, and it's kinda hard to see a grad transfer coming in to be the 4th big in the rotation and receive limited PT.

ZagsObserver
05-02-2017, 03:10 PM
He's a step above Ryan Edwards (no offense to Rdwards). So, good for depth. Not a starter.

DixieZag
05-02-2017, 03:24 PM
Sounds fine to me. He would have a lot more meaningful D-1 minutes than Ryan, so there's something right there. Sounds like Cal wasn't the best coached team, either, perhaps he's been neglected some and could be a real help.

Sign him up as far as I'm concerned. With all our scholies out there, and him being a one year guy, a grab right now seems to have no downside at all, and a lot of possible upside.

Ezag
05-02-2017, 03:25 PM
Care to share why not?

Given the needs for next season and limited number of available Centers, I am actually kinda excited about the possibility that he could end up with GU. You can't coach size!

Mainly because I don't think he is that good or much improved especially after 3 seasons in college and 80+ games played. In the last 2 seasons, he averaged a touch more than 17 min per game last year, avg under 5pts, not a great rebounder, not a great passer (ala Karno), so-so 60% FT, not a great shot blocker and he really didn't improve much from his sophomore to his junior season where his stats were basically the same.

Some people say, well he's better than Edwards. Really? Hard to answer that because Edwards didn't average 17+min a game the last 2 seasons.

Ezag
05-02-2017, 03:27 PM
Care to share why not?

Given the needs for next season and limited number of available Centers, I am actually kinda excited about the possibility that he could end up with GU. You can't coach size!

Mainly because I don't think he is that good or much improved especially after 3 full seasons in college and 80+ games played. In the last 2 seasons, he averaged a touch more than 17 min per game last year, avg under 5pts, not a great rebounder, not a great passer (ala Karno), so-so 60% FT, not a great shot blocker and he really didn't improve much from his sophomore to his junior season where his stats were basically the same for the minutes he played.

Some people say, well he's better than Edwards. Not sure I even believe that.

Coach Crazy
05-02-2017, 05:05 PM
Thoughts?

FG% in the 50s.... haven't seen any tape yet but that number sticks out to me. Still need to see the tape to see what type of player he is


From what I have seen he lacks the coordination and grace that Mt. K has. There is a certain form and function to Euro bigs, and Kameron is more uncoordinated. His footwork isn't as good. Nor are his hands. He also doesn't appear to take contact very well for a big men, when finishing. I want to get that out of the way. Doesn't have the same level of court vision, either.


On the plus side he's a big 5. You'll be able to clog the middle, still. You might not get (and might not need) exactly the same amount of minutes that you did with Shem, but you get the benefit of maintaining some of that presence. One thing that sticks out to me is that despite being a somewhat uncoordinated player, that lacks athleticism, he was able to post a DBPM of 5 and a DRtg that is sub-95. If you can do that despite your physical limitations AND being on a Cuonzo Martin team that isn't known for defense...that tells me something.

Depending on how coachable he is, this team may not lose all of its deep entry inside-out game.

JPtheBeasta
05-02-2017, 07:19 PM
I would take strong defense and a solid beard.

Zagdawg
05-02-2017, 08:48 PM
10 pts and 6 boards against Arizona and 10 pts and 5 boards against Oregon -- I'll take him as a backup for Larsen-- plus he has plenty of college experience.

hooter73
05-02-2017, 09:05 PM
Larsen is the primary center imo. We need 8-12 mpg for rest and fouls. If he wants it, knight could give rooks enough training over the summer to handle those 8-12 minutes without being a detriment.

I guess that would be if he is here this summer and not a late to campus transfer.

zagsfanforlife
05-02-2017, 10:20 PM
Judging off the 4-5 games i saw of him... hes not very good and i dont think hes meaningful minute caliber at GU. Hope to be proven wrong, just dont see it.. Its painful if we think there are not better out there. We are wasting scholarships on space eaters now with little offensive skill. Didnt we just go to the national championship?

gueastcoast
05-03-2017, 06:09 AM
Someone pointed out on the board recently that we could use a Kuso type, who was an impact player for us (not a star) on a team that really needed it...Rooks could potentially play a similar role based on what little I know about him. I trust the coaching staff - if they think he can contribute, then let's go get 'im.

ZagsObserver
05-03-2017, 06:21 AM
Someone pointed out on the board recently that we could use a Kuso type, who was an impact player for us (not a star) on a team that really needed it...Rooks could potentially play a similar role based on what little I know about him. I trust the coaching staff - if they think he can contribute, then let's go get 'im.

I'm not sure kuso gets minutes on on a current zag team. Maybe Rooks is Kuso 2.0? Quite a bit of interest for Rooks, so I have to think others see more in him than some posters here.

strikenowhere
05-03-2017, 06:26 AM
10 pts and 6 boards against Arizona and 10 pts and 5 boards against Oregon -- I'll take him as a backup for Larsen-- plus he has plenty of college experience.

I highly doubt a graduate transfer would come here to be a backup to an unproven redshirt freshman.

Zagdawg
05-03-2017, 07:32 AM
Players will transfer here to be part of our development program, get in the dance and be part of the team that was in the national title game.

Players earn their minutes -- if he earns the start over Larsen -- that means we are that much better off.

MontanaCoyote
05-03-2017, 07:50 AM
It just makes me happy that this thread is really an acknowledgement of just how important Shemmick was to the Zag's.
We have Larsen and I think he's going to be special. It's just that I think we're all just a little bit concerned that The Mountain won't be here to fill up the paint. Hard to get that image of 7' 1", 300 lbs. out of my head.

Markburn1
05-03-2017, 10:37 AM
It just makes me happy that this thread is really an acknowledgement of just how important Shemmick was to the Zag's.
We have Larsen and I think he's going to be special. It's just that I think we're all just a little bit concerned that The Mountain won't be here to fill up the paint. Hard to get that image of 7' 1", 300 lbs. out of my head.

Man, you are in serious withdrawal. Your love for Shem knows no bounds. HaHa. Good for you.

Reborn
05-03-2017, 10:44 AM
IMO if we can get Rooks we should. He has the experience to come in and play confidently. And we do need his size on defense.

maynard g krebs
05-03-2017, 10:45 AM
if he earns the start over Larsen -- that means we are that much better off.

JW3 and Tillie start, assuming both back. Better players than Rooks, and not close. He's not gonna improve that much over a summer from what he was at Cal. Backup depth is what's there, imo.

Zagdawg
05-03-2017, 10:52 AM
Having our forwards guard centers giving up 20+ lbs and the height gets us into foul trouble -- will be tough on them-- would prefer to have a center playing the position.

maynard g krebs
05-03-2017, 10:59 AM
Having our forwards guard centers giving up 20+ lbs and the height gets us into foul trouble -- will be tough on them-- would prefer to have a center playing the position.

True, but imo it's better to play your best/most experienced players even if it means a slightly unconventional lineup. And if you're playing a huge team that is pounding you on the glass, or a big, skilled post scorer like Landale, a guy like Rooks gets more minutes in that game.

And you can also make the other team go smaller to match up with your speed. Most teams don't have a starting 4/5 that can both keep up w/ JW/KT in transition and guard them on the drive.

thespywhozaggedme
05-03-2017, 11:11 AM
I still think I like the kid from NIU a little bit better, he seems much more skilled offensively but I have no idea if we are even interested.

Zags_Fanatic
05-03-2017, 11:59 AM
You can take this with a grain of salt, but a poster on Reddit said that he talked to Kameron today and Kameron told him that he was deciding between UConn and Gonzaga. I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't take a longer look at SDSU so take that for what it is: an anonymous internet comment.

strikenowhere
05-03-2017, 12:09 PM
You can take this with a grain of salt, but a poster on Reddit said that he talked to Kameron today and Kameron told him that he was deciding between UConn and Gonzaga. I'd be pretty surprised if he didn't take a longer look at SDSU so take that for what it is: an anonymous internet comment.

UConn? Wow - why travel across country to play for a program that is slowly circling the drain?

Hoopaholic
05-03-2017, 12:10 PM
UConn? Wow - why travel across country to play for a program that is slowly circling the drain?

starting versus support role?

thebigsmoove
05-03-2017, 12:43 PM
A little something to think about, this will be the first year in the last several that we wont have a true 7 footer on the roster if we cant bring in someone like Kameron. That isnt necessarily a huge deal in the grand spectrum of things, but i dont think getting Kameron is a negative thing for our program. Hes proven himself capable of production at times against high major programs. Maybe hes not the sexy recruit, but are we really at the point where getting a grad transfer with the connections and ties that Kameron has with the body size he has is a negative? I like the move. Id like to see some depth behind Larsen, JW3, and Tillie. Id like to have options in case of foul trouble. Just my thoughts.

thebigsmoove
05-03-2017, 12:45 PM
UConn? Wow - why travel across country to play for a program that is slowly circling the drain?

In what way is UConn circling the drain? They are what? 2 years removed from a National championship? Their 4th title in the last what? 18 years?

Zags_Fanatic
05-03-2017, 12:54 PM
UConn? Wow - why travel across country to play for a program that is slowly circling the drain?

They offered him out of high school so he likely has a connection to someone on the staff.

Markburn1
05-03-2017, 02:09 PM
In what way is UConn circling the drain? They are what? 2 years removed from a National championship? Their 4th title in the last what? 18 years?

Circling the drain may be overstating the case, but there is little doubt that they are headed in the wrong direction. It's been four years since the championship you speak of. Kevin Ollie's teams have been mediocre at best since then, missing the tourney in two out of the last three years. They had a less than .500 record last year and did not even get an invite to the NIT.

Uconn has had three players transfer out this season which is a continuing trend under Ollie. And, they lost a high level recruit who requested to opt out of his commitment.

Things are a bit troubled in Husky land unless you are affiliated with the women's team.

CDC84
05-03-2017, 02:18 PM
UConn? Wow - why travel across country to play for a program that is slowly circling the drain?

It is strange that they have fallen this much....but I expected a drop off once Calhoun's shadow left the program and the bust up of the Big East really sank in.

The AAC isn't that much better than the WCC. Which is why I still feel it was dumb for WSU to join it. Everyone of substance wants out.

Always felt that Ollie was less responsible for that championship than the coaches he selected. I don't know how many of them are still on his staff. The one thing he can be credited with was building an amazing staff of experienced, diverse coaches.

Lastly, the season that UConn won the title was one of the worst seasons in the past 30 years of college basketball. Normally that UConn team would've been bounced prior to the final 4. They weren't all that great. But someone had to win the thing, and UConn's guards got extremely hot at the right time. I'm telling you, 100 years from now, they will be regarded as one of the ten worst NCAA champions. It was just an odd ball season.

But really, it comes down to the departure of Jim Calhoun and the implosion of the Big East.

MontanaCoyote
05-03-2017, 02:41 PM
Man, you are in serious withdrawal. Your love for Shem knows no bounds. HaHa. Good for you.

You're right. I'm having a real hard time. He's gone and right now I just can't handle it. Gotta get a grip, but it's going to take a while.

Thanks for your comment!

thegloriousgoateeofKP
05-03-2017, 02:42 PM
In 2015-16, in about the same percentage of minutes as Zach played this year, Rooks was quite efficient offensively, and put up strong rebounding numbers. He was a particularly strong rebounder in conference play, putting up the 3rd-best offensive rebounding percentage and the 7th-best defensive rebounding percentage in the Pac 12.

Wasn't as good this past season, but the potential is there for Rooks to be a really effective backup center. Let's get him.

thebigsmoove
05-04-2017, 11:20 AM
Circling the drain may be overstating the case, but there is little doubt that they are headed in the wrong direction. It's been four years since the championship you speak of. Kevin Ollie's teams have been mediocre at best since then, missing the tourney in two out of the last three years. They had a less than .500 record last year and did not even get an invite to the NIT.

Uconn has had three players transfer out this season which is a continuing trend under Ollie. And, they lost a high level recruit who requested to opt out of his commitment.

Things are a bit troubled in Husky land unless you are affiliated with the women's team.

Even this take is overstated IMO...they are 3 years removed from a national title, hes made the tourney or NIT in all but 1 season of his tenure. Mark Few has transfers too...i dont see the issue, programs go through lulls especially when a relatively new coach makes his name and develops his style. I think UConn will be back to tourney success in the near future with or without Ollie.

Full Disclosure, ive been an Ollie fan since he played for the Sonics briefly in 2003. But i try not to let that bias my opinion.

sylean
05-04-2017, 05:08 PM
the overall attitude by posters about this young man is unbelievable.....he is over 7 feet tall ...WE NEED HIM....more than he needs us.....

shouldn't we be a little more upbeat and welcoming?...instead of asking if he's "good enough" for the Zags?....

he's good enough....we need him and we want him to come here, IMO....

btzag
05-04-2017, 05:32 PM
the overall attitude by posters about this young man is unbelievable.....he is over 7 feet tall ...WE NEED HIM....more than he needs us.....

shouldn't we be a little more upbeat and welcoming?...instead of asking if he's "good enough" for the Zags?....

he's good enough....we need him and we want him to come here, IMO....

Good post. He is exactly what we need. Put him in a 4 man rotation with Jwill, Tillie and Larsen and I start to breathe a little bit easier... Personally I think he's got the talent and size to really thrive in our system. GU has put so many bigs in the pro's lately he has to see a real nice connection there...

maynard g krebs
05-04-2017, 05:37 PM
the overall attitude by posters about this young man is unbelievable.....he is over 7 feet tall ...WE NEED HIM....more than he needs us.....

shouldn't we be a little more upbeat and welcoming?...instead of asking if he's "good enough" for the Zags?....

he's good enough....we need him and we want him to come here, IMO....

I don't see anything disrespectful in this thread, just honest discussion. A 7'1 guy who averaged 17 minutes and 4+ ppg and rpg in his 4th year. I don't see anyone saying he isn't good enough, using quotes. Just people saying he'd be a backup for the Zags and wondering if he'd be OK with that as a grad transfer.

Zagger
05-04-2017, 05:43 PM
I both think Rooks could be very good for the Zags -and- I also feel "Patience Grasshopper". Didn't we get Jordan late???

Wouldn't surprise me one bit if a few players are wanting to come to GU. Plus, lots changes in a short amount of time. Look at all that's transpired in 4-5 weeks. May has just started. I'd personally like to see the Zags acquire more than just a definite one year eligible player. The mix of the guys this past season worked out well for many being newbs to one another. My guess is that may be hard to replicate year after year - maybe never as well as this year's bunch has meshed. We have 4-ish months until school starts.

Zagdawg
05-04-2017, 05:49 PM
I agree that if he wants us --we can definitely use him on the roster.

As hopeful as I am that Larsen will be ready and a solid center for our team -- it is tough to judge his impact when he has missed the last 2 years of basketball due to injuries and he is still not on the court yet. We are one injury/delayed recovery away from a three big man rotation consisting of Tillie , JW3 (he should come back) and Rui/Jones (platoon).

I am sure the staff will find another body and I hope that it is someone who can contribute.

Zag_Dad
05-09-2017, 11:27 AM
Any news on Rooks? Curious whether coaches are recruiting him, whether the interest is mutual, who else might be in the hunt?

doctorzag
05-20-2017, 06:07 PM
Any news on Rooks? Curious whether coaches are recruiting him, whether the interest is mutual, who else might be in the hunt?

Rooks has set up a visit to San Diego State for June 1.

thebigsmoove
06-01-2017, 12:27 PM
Rooks has set up a visit to San Diego State for June 1.

So Rooks is in San Diego today, any announcements of his other visits so far?

Zagdawg
06-01-2017, 12:57 PM
Get him up here for Hoopfest and close the deal.

willandi
06-01-2017, 01:03 PM
Get him up here for Hoopfest and close the deal.

AMEN!!!

ZagnetitForce
06-01-2017, 01:09 PM
I might be not remembering correctly but I think his Daddy actually participated in a Hoopfest once upon a time.

Zags_Fanatic
06-01-2017, 01:46 PM
I might be not remembering correctly but I think his Daddy actually participated in a Hoopfest once upon a time.

Now that you mention it I think I remember watching him play in 1999 on a team from California. It was a big deal having an NBA player in the tourney. It had to be 1999 because I was hopped up on hoops sauce after the Elite 8.

ZagnetitForce
06-01-2017, 02:23 PM
Now that you mention it I think I remember watching him play in 1999 on a team from California. It was a big deal having an NBA player in the tourney. It had to be 1999 because I was hopped up on hoops sauce after the Elite 8.

YES! Exactly. I feel better now knowing at least one other person might think this actually happened. Pretty sure I was "hopped up on hoops sauce" as well......actually might still be.

thebigsmoove
06-02-2017, 08:36 AM
Yep Rooks was here in 1999:

https://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-27263760.html

Zagdawg
06-02-2017, 02:09 PM
Kameron Rooks‏
@KameronRooks

I'M GOING HOME! I feel blessed to be carrying on the next leg of my basketball journey at San Diego State University #GoAztecs ��⚫️

thespywhozaggedme
06-02-2017, 02:19 PM
Kameron Rooks‏
@KameronRooks

I'M GOING HOME! I feel blessed to be carrying on the next leg of my basketball journey at San Diego State University #GoAztecs ��⚫️
Next. Not sure how hard we were pursuing him if the Euro guys may soon come to fruition.

gonzagafan62
06-02-2017, 02:32 PM
Strike three! Batter. Out. Good thing we have two more outs left.

Euros up next! Go zags!

Coach Crazy
06-02-2017, 02:34 PM
Next. Not sure how hard we were pursuing him if the Euro guys may soon come to fruition.

Per Jim Meehan "light interest"...


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hooter73
06-02-2017, 03:14 PM
not too disappointed. He was going to be a safety net here. Hope he does well.

thespywhozaggedme
06-02-2017, 04:41 PM
Per Jim Meehan "light interest"...


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Yeah, I figured as much. Much much much more upside and talent with the euro guys.

DixieZag
06-02-2017, 04:58 PM
I can never fault a kid that wants to stay around parents and family. Hope he does well.