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ZagNative
04-25-2017, 04:42 PM
Important Dates


Sun, Apr 23 - NBA Early Entry Eligibility Deadline
Tue, May 9 - NBA Draft Combine First Day
Sun, May 14 - NBA Draft Combine Last Day
Tue, May 16 - NBA Draft Lottery
Mon, Jun 12 - Entry Entrant Withdrawal Deadline
Thu, Jun 22 - NBA Draft
Sat, Jul 1 - NBA Summer League, First Day
Mon, Jul 17 - NBA Summer League, Last Day

Early Entry List from Draft Express (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-announces-early-entry-candidates-for-2017-nba-draft-5904/)


Zach Collins Profile Page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Zach-Collins-7303/) - Pick: 10 in 2017 Mock Draft
Rank: 12 in Top 100 Prospects

Nigel Williams-Goss Profile Page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nigel-Williams-Goss-7093/) Rank: 63 in Top 100 Prospects

Johnathan Williams III Profile Page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Johnathan-Williams-46066/)

Wiki Entry on the NBA Draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NBA_draft#Combine)

Wiki Entry on the NBA Draft Combine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Combine)

Bogozags
04-26-2017, 06:12 AM
Important Dates


Sun, Apr 23 - NBA Early Entry Eligibility Deadline
Tue, May 9 - NBA Draft Combine First Day
Sun, May 14 - NBA Draft Combine Last Day
Tue, May 16 - NBA Draft Lottery
Mon, Jun 12 - Entry Entrant Withdrawal Deadline
Thu, Jun 22 - NBA Draft
Sat, Jul 1 - NBA Summer League, First Day
Mon, Jul 17 - NBA Summer League, Last Day

Early Entry List from Draft Express (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/nba-announces-early-entry-candidates-for-2017-nba-draft-5904/)


Zach Collins Profile Page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Zach-Collins-7303/) - Pick: 10 in 2017 Mock Draft
Rank: 12 in Top 100 Prospects

Nigel Williams-Goss Profile Page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nigel-Williams-Goss-7093/) Rank: 63 in Top 100 Prospects

Johnathan Williams III Profile Page (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Johnathan-Williams-46066/)

Wiki Entry on the NBA Draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_NBA_draft#Combine)

Wiki Entry on the NBA Draft Combine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Draft_Combine)

ZN is it safe to assume that PK is not even being considered in this draft? Are there any teams interested in him? Or is Euro Ball his only option?

Thanks...

LongIslandZagFan
04-26-2017, 07:18 AM
Don't know anything for sure. I'd think that he may get some looks post-draft from the NBA. Not being drafted, in that situation, is a good thing as any team can take a look at him. If not... he'll make loads of cash on the Euro circuit where the post position still gets played. Today's NBA... they want 7' three point shooters and could care less about the paint.

Coach Crazy
04-26-2017, 07:58 AM
Shem will get an opportunity in the NBA. GS not having a solid post producer is what cost them the Finals against Cleveland. With the cap the way it is, you can pay a traditional C with the ability to produce points the way he can.


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CarolinaZagFan
04-26-2017, 08:02 AM
Don't know anything for sure. I'd think that he may get some looks post-draft from the NBA. Not being drafted, in that situation, is a good thing as any team can take a look at him. If not... he'll make loads of cash on the Euro circuit where the post position still gets played. Today's NBA... they want 7' three point shooters and could care less about the paint.

And their big guys have to set great, devastating screens. Despite always being the biggest guy on the court I rarely saw that from Karno. He always kind of got in the way a little then rolled out.

Ezag
04-26-2017, 09:05 AM
Karno will get a summer league invite at the least and may even get a camp invite. Though the NBA is the bar, you can make tons of money in many other leagues around the globe.

Mojo13
04-26-2017, 09:42 AM
Karno will get a summer league invite at the least and may even get a camp invite. Though the NBA is the bar, you can make tons of money in many other leagues around the globe.

People keep seeming to forget that their are 60 new NBA jobs for the 16/17 season. Rosters are expanding from 15 to 17 with the new CBA (16 and 17 are 2-way contracts).

Shem will get a look.

CDC84
04-26-2017, 12:14 PM
And their big guys have to set great, devastating screens. Despite always being the biggest guy on the court I rarely saw that from Karno. He always kind of got in the way a little then rolled out.

The danger of WCC refs. You can get away with more in the NBA, and you have an additional foul.

Bogozags
04-26-2017, 12:27 PM
Don't know anything for sure. I'd think that he may get some looks post-draft from the NBA. Not being drafted, in that situation, is a good thing as any team can take a look at him. If not... he'll make loads of cash on the Euro circuit where the post position still gets played. Today's NBA... they want 7' three point shooters and could care less about the paint.

LIZF you do know that Shem is shooting 100% from three land, so that box is checked...now he just has to work on screens....:o

TravelinZag
04-26-2017, 05:38 PM
Someone please educate me about the NBA D league, please. Compensation? Commitment? Chances of ever moving up? Why would a kid choose this route instead of international options? Not being snide, just manifesting (and seeking to improve upon) my ignorance. Don't believe I have ever watched (or been tempted to watch) a NBA-D game, and my interest is confined to the options for college players not drafted. Despite the athleticism, only one or two teams play anything resembling a team game. Also, is my assumption that being an undrafted free agent is a ticket to nowhere unfounded?

Ignorance is a sad condition, but partially curable.

Zags_Fanatic
04-26-2017, 06:29 PM
Someone please educate me about the NBA D league, please. Compensation? Commitment? Chances of ever moving up? Why would a kid choose this route instead of international options? Not being snide, just manifesting (and seeking to improve upon) my ignorance. Don't believe I have ever watched (or been tempted to watch) a NBA-D game, and my interest is confined to the options for college players not drafted. Despite the athleticism, only one or two teams play anything resembling a team game. Also, is my assumption that being an undrafted free agent is a ticket to nowhere unfounded?

Ignorance is a sad condition, but partially curable.

D-League salaries are jumping DRAMATICALLY next season. I believe it is jumping from $19-26k/year to $50-75k. Basically the difference between a slap in the face and a solid living wage. It's going to make the decision to leave college early much more enticing. Players do get called up, a lot of two-way players go between D-League and NBA (like Wiltjer this season). NBA is also allowing each team to assign two more 2-way contracts that pay significantly more than the D-League wage. I believe Wiltj is making around $200k to play on both teams. It's a good way to allow a great player to develop by getting big minutes in the D-League and to get NBA experience, usually in 10 day spurts.

Coach Crazy
04-26-2017, 06:34 PM
Someone please educate me about the NBA D league, please. Compensation? Commitment? Chances of ever moving up? Why would a kid choose this route instead of international options? Not being snide, just manifesting (and seeking to improve upon) my ignorance. Don't believe I have ever watched (or been tempted to watch) a NBA-D game, and my interest is confined to the options for college players not drafted. Despite the athleticism, only one or two teams play anything resembling a team game. Also, is my assumption that being an undrafted free agent is a ticket to nowhere unfounded?

Ignorance is a sad condition, but partially curable.

It's better than when I was around it. When I was there there wasn't a lot of extra work put in, unless it was an individual thing. For instance, wasn't really a lot of scouting (possibly any) for the draft from Utah. At least from what it appeared. Some players were there to get back, but some like Luke Neville were frustrating. There was one day where I wanted to punch him in the face.

Back then, compensation was done on 3 tiers, I believe? A, B, and C? And the I believe the lowest may have been in the 13 or 14k range and the A contract was in the 20's or 30's? But they got their housing paid for, I believe.

And back then, they were preaching to D-League talent to show that they could be good end of the bench talent. Not necessarily the star player.


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Martin Centre Mad Man
04-27-2017, 02:32 AM
I don't think I have seen this on GU Boards - the CBS draft rankings. The top 9 players are freshmen. Collins is twelve. Williams-Goss is 54. Mika is 75.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-the-top-75-prospects-for-the-2017-nba-draft-after-deadline-for-underclassmen/

ZagNative
04-28-2017, 12:15 PM
From Twitter:

Jonathan Givony‏Verified account @DraftExpress

The deadline for NBA teams to vote on their preferred invites for the NBA Combine was noon yesterday. Invites should go out tonight/tomorrow


I seem to recall a number of players, such as Andrew Wiggins, declined their invitations in the past. Think Zach might do that? Chances Nigel gets an invite?

Mojo13
04-28-2017, 02:24 PM
D-League salaries are jumping DRAMATICALLY next season. I believe it is jumping from $19-26k/year to $50-75k. Basically the difference between a slap in the face and a solid living wage. It's going to make the decision to leave college early much more enticing. Players do get called up, a lot of two-way players go between D-League and NBA (like Wiltjer this season). NBA is also allowing each team to assign two more 2-way contracts that pay significantly more than the D-League wage. I believe Wiltj is making around $200k to play on both teams. It's a good way to allow a great player to develop by getting big minutes in the D-League and to get NBA experience, usually in 10 day spurts.

Wiljter signed a 2 year partial guarantee contract where this year he was given a $250K minimum. Since he was still with the Rockets in January 2017 that locked into the league minimum for Rookies of $540K. If the Rockets retain him past July 12th he will be guaranteed the 2nd year league minimum of $1.3M.

Wiltjer is a prime example that undrafted rookies may be better off undrafted than mid/late second round picks as they have the freedom to go find the best organization for their particular game/talents. Many undrafted free agents make it to the NBA.

This 16/17 season saw 38 D-league players called up to the NBA and at least 30 each of the last 5 seasons. The D-league is growing, NBA teams have realized its value in developing talent. As said the new CBA saw the addition of 2 new two-way contracts per team bring NBA rosters to 17 and a tripling of D league salaries. This is an attempt to allow teams to keep young players they acquire via the draft or free agent closer to home, develop them, give them access to NBA coaching and to learn their systems. It is slowly turning into a legit minor league (with a big jump this coming year) and will be a growing competitor to the NCAA for young talent.

Some bigger unheralded names who started off in the D-league include Chris Andersen – the league’s first-ever Call-Up to the Denver Nuggets in 2001 – Danny Green (Reno Bighorns to San Antonio Spurs in 2010-11), Gerald Green (Los Angeles D-Fenders to New Jersey Nets in 2010-11) and Hassan Whiteside (Iowa Energy to Miami Heat in 2014-15).

American kids dream of the NBA. Historically NCAA kids have tried the D-league for a couple years (making peanuts) before they give up and try for more money in foreign leagues. Keep in mind there is tremendous variety in European leagues. Only the top leagues offer half decent compensation and stability and these leagues are extremely competitive. Many D-league players are no where near good enough for the top leagues and decide to stay closer to home rather than head to Europe for a second rate league, where the money isn't that good.

For the D league guys that are "near NBA" caliber they also risk missing their opportunity when it comes knocking if they head to Europe as they can't get out of those contracts easily. NBA team can call up from the D-league pretty much at will throughout the season. You are missing out on that opportunity if you head overseas.

Mojo13
04-28-2017, 02:38 PM
From Twitter:


I seem to recall a number of players, such as Andrew Wiggins, declined their invitations in the past. Think Zach might do that? Chances Nigel gets an invite?


Usually it is only the Top 3-6 players (maybe Top 10) who decline an invite. Even then, most go but only partially participate. Maybe just for measurements and/or athletic testing and not play in scrimmages.

I think NWG will certainly get an invite as he seem to be on most draft boards. Shem and JWIII could easily not get an invite (likely won't). Invites should be announced tonight....

ZagNative
04-28-2017, 05:24 PM
Shem signs with the same agent as Nigel, Kelly, Sam Dower, and Domantas. http://www.draftexpress.com/agents/Greg-Lawrence-153/ I assume the agent is Greg Lawrence, but it could be someone else with Wasserman.

Good luck, Shemy!

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Zags/2017-04-28%20Przemek%20Karnowski%20Agent_zpsfo0nco8z.jpg

Zags_Fanatic
04-28-2017, 07:01 PM
From Twitter:


I seem to recall a number of players, such as Andrew Wiggins, declined their invitations in the past. Think Zach might do that? Chances Nigel gets an invite?

Players only decline if their agent thinks that it will hurt their stock. Domas declined last year, probably to try to hide his shortish wingspan and less than stellar athleticism. I suspect Zach will be all in and will try to prove his value against top competition. A strong showing at the combine could add $1,000,000+ to his rookie contract.

MontanaCoyote
04-28-2017, 08:04 PM
So happy about this. Hope an NBA team gives him a shot. I've got a hunch that'll happen. But Vet's, please let me know how Shem would do in Euro ball. Can he make some good money? Just want him to be able to set himself and his family up. Wish him all the best.

And I don't care how good we are next year I'm still going to miss him out there patrolling the paint.

Radbooks
04-29-2017, 10:00 AM
Jeff Goodman is releasing the names of those he can confirm who have been invited to the draft combine:


Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 13m13 minutes ago

Again, been told Indiana big man Thomas Bryant received an invite to the NBA combine. So did ex-Gonzaga guard Nigel Williams-Goss.


Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN 2h2 hours ago

Ike Anigbogu, Lonzo Ball, Jordan Bell, John Collins, Zach Collins, P.J. Dozier and Harry Giles have all received invites to the NBA Combine

ZagNative
04-29-2017, 10:21 AM
Goody!

Zags_Fanatic
04-29-2017, 11:16 AM
Nigel getting the invite is HUGE for his draft prospects and should put him in the second round. Nobody that interviews him won't want him on their team. That said, getting drafted in the second round might not be the best path for him to play in the NBA.

ZagNative
04-29-2017, 11:34 AM
Drat....

Jonathan Givony‏Verified account @DraftExpress

Przemek Karnowski not invited to NBA Combine. Would have been fun to see him dropping dimes, setting screens and taking charges in Chicago.

23dpg
04-29-2017, 11:48 AM
Nigel getting the invite is HUGE for his draft prospects and should put him in the second round. Nobody that interviews him won't want him on their team. That said, getting drafted in the second round might not be the best path for him to play in the NBA.

According to Gary Parrish at CBSSports, almost every US college player who gets picked in the second round, gets signed and makes the roster.

ZagNative
04-29-2017, 11:51 AM
Well, hell ....

Jeff Goodman‏Verified account @GoodmanESPN

BYU big man Eric Mika has been invited to the NBA combine.

Zags_Fanatic
04-29-2017, 01:00 PM
Well, hell ....

Nice, I love seeing BYU fans suffer and this would be a heavy blow to them.

Zags_Fanatic
04-29-2017, 01:02 PM
According to Gary Parrish at CBSSports, almost every US college player who gets picked in the second round, gets signed and makes the roster.

Sure, but if you don't get drafted your agent can work some magic to try to get you a contract on a team that better fits your skillset, has a need at your position, etc. Wiltjer's contract with the Rockets was a much better situation than he would likely have had from a 2nd round pick.

Zagdawg
04-29-2017, 02:05 PM
Agree---same with Karnowski --I wonder if he will be able to find a spot like Kyle on the right team that fits --- one a team that needs a big man in the wings (D league development). I also wonder if he would make more money in Euro ball.

ZagNative
04-29-2017, 02:48 PM
Jeff Goodman's combine invite list (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19273805/nba-invites-more-60-players-draft-combine)

ZagNative
05-01-2017, 04:41 PM
Draft Express Scouting Report and videos regarding Zach Collins (http://www.draftexpress.com/article/zach-collins-nba-draft-scouting-report-and-video-analysis-5911/)

ZagNative
05-11-2017, 11:37 AM
From this Draft Express post, it looks as if Zach and Nigel will not be involved in the 5 on 5: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/2017-nba-combine-rosters-5926/

Coming up in about 15 minutes on ESPN2.

Schedule:

Vertical Jump
Max Vertical Jump
Shuttle Drill
Agility Drill
3/4 Court Sprint
Scrimmages

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Screenprints/Screenshot%20169.png_zpstc23yqq7.jpg

ZagNative
05-11-2017, 12:11 PM
From Draft Express, measurement charts: http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/2017/NBA+Draft+Combine/all/all/3/standing_reach

adoptedzag
05-11-2017, 01:02 PM
Mika looks lost

adoptedzag
05-11-2017, 01:51 PM
NWG playing on the grey team coming up in ~9 minutes.

Nevermind, Fran lied to us on the broadcast.

Zagdawg
05-11-2017, 04:40 PM
Lindsay Joy‏ @SWXLindsayJoy 21m21 minutes ago
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FWIW, @ZagMBB's Nigel Williams-Goss was the best in the "lane agility" drill at the #NBACombine today

ZagNative
05-11-2017, 04:43 PM
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Screenprints/Screenshot%20171.png_zpsskq8oyci.jpg

WallaWallaZag
05-12-2017, 02:26 AM
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff232/ZagNative/Screenprints/Screenshot%20171.png_zpsskq8oyci.jpg

that's big for nigel because he isn't explosive...so he needs to prove his quickness (which is actually more important for a pg)

Zagdawg
05-12-2017, 11:17 AM
Jim Meehan Retweeted
Adam Zagoria‏ @AdamZagoria 3h3 hours ago
Final Four rivals Zach Collins of Gonzaga and Sindarius Thornwell of South Carolina are rooming/ training together here at the Combine.

ZagNative
05-12-2017, 04:05 PM
Here's a nice video interview of Zach from the Detroit Free Press: http://www.freep.com/videos/sports/nba/pistons/2017/05/12/watch-gonzagas-zach-collins-models-game-after-duncan-nowitzki/101613812/

ZagNative
05-12-2017, 06:15 PM
Draft Express May 12 Mock Draft - Zach at #11, Nigel at#57. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

ZagNative
05-12-2017, 06:32 PM
Another video interview with Zach: http://www.csnnw.com/video/zach-collins-feels-he-can-blend-any-system

sittingon50
05-12-2017, 09:02 PM
I couldn't get Natives post from yesterday to open, but this is what Bleacher Report showed for the measurements:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2709127-nba-combine-results-2017-thursday-measurements-highlights-and-top-prospects?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=college-basketball

Zagdawg
05-13-2017, 07:40 PM
Nigel Williams-Goss‏Verified account
@NigelWG5

Next stop Spokane... #Graduation ✈️��

webspinnre
05-14-2017, 12:43 PM
Draft Express May 12 Mock Draft - Zach at #11, Nigel at#57. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2017/

It'd be great if NWG gets himself drafted, though sometimes getting to choose where you sign can be a boon as well.

Mojo13
05-15-2017, 11:06 AM
It'd be great if NWG gets himself drafted, though sometimes getting to choose where you sign can be a boon as well.

Yep. The draft can be quite nuanced. Lots of examples of guys way better off not getting drafted like Wiltjer. He was probably way better off going undrafted and signing with Houston (perfect fit for him) than being drafted in the late round to any other given team.

Lots of guys way better off financially by being drafted in the 2nd round than the late first. Firsts are locked into low pay for quite few years relative to the flexibility you have a second rounder.

I can think of a few 2nd round picks currently making 10x more than late first round picks selected just a few spots before them. Jordan Clarkson / Larry Nance of the Lakers are the first that pop into my head.

btzag
05-15-2017, 12:09 PM
Yep. The draft can be quite nuanced. Lots of examples of guys way better off not getting drafted like Wiltjer. He was probably way better off going undrafted and signing with Houston (perfect fit for him) than being drafted in the late round to any other given team.

Lots of guys way better off financially by being drafted in the 2nd round than the late first. Firsts are locked into low pay for quite few years relative to the flexibility you have a second rounder.

I can think of a few 2nd round picks currently making 10x more than late first round picks selected just a few spots before them. Jordan Clarkson / Larry Nance of the Lakers are the first that pop into my head.

Isaiah Thomas also.

Coach Crazy
05-15-2017, 03:58 PM
Yep. The draft can be quite nuanced. Lots of examples of guys way better off not getting drafted like Wiltjer. He was probably way better off going undrafted and signing with Houston (perfect fit for him) than being drafted in the late round to any other given team.

Lots of guys way better off financially by being drafted in the 2nd round than the late first. Firsts are locked into low pay for quite few years relative to the flexibility you have a second rounder.

I can think of a few 2nd round picks currently making 10x more than late first round picks selected just a few spots before them. Jordan Clarkson / Larry Nance of the Lakers are the first that pop into my head.

I actually think he's a perfect fit for Cleveland.



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willandi
05-15-2017, 07:07 PM
Isaiah Thomas also.

IT will never make it in the NBA. He's too short! Just ask Jazz!

ZagNative
05-16-2017, 01:58 PM
Which moderator is responsible for moving the threads off the MBB before the topic is finished? Makes me so mad. I've worked hard at tracking this stuff, only to have someone discount the topic's importance by moving it off the main board.

I give up keeping up on this important topic on this board.

webspinnre
05-16-2017, 02:03 PM
Which moderator is responsible for moving the threads off the MBB before the topic is finished? Makes me so mad. I've worked hard at tracking this stuff, only to have someone discount the topic's importance by moving it off the main board.

I give up keeping up on this important topic on this board.

At the very least this should be in Old Dogs, as it's clearly about our guys.

Birddog
05-17-2017, 05:15 AM
Which moderator is responsible for moving the threads off the MBB before the topic is finished? Makes me so mad. I've worked hard at tracking this stuff, only to have someone discount the topic's importance by moving it off the main board.

I give up keeping up on this important topic on this board.

Agree, someone is OCD about this, no need for that during the off season.