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Zagdawg
04-11-2017, 10:43 AM
A guard from France visited last week? Joel Ayayi 6'4" class of 2017

"Joel Ayayi ('00) is a 6-4 combo guard from France who plays for INSEP and the French U16 National Team. He is one of the best talents in europe in his age group. A really long guard with amazing intensity on the court. He is a pest defensively and has good tools to develop into a good offensive player."

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1769917-french-guard-joel-ayayi-visits-gonzaga

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DNQIKYlqE

kitzbuel
04-11-2017, 10:52 AM
I like 6'4" guards.

Zagdawg
04-11-2017, 10:55 AM
Walkon?

Ryan Lundvall‏ @lundvall_ryan 5h5 hours ago
I'm officially a Bulldog! I will be attending Gonzaga University and will be working with the Men's Basketball team!���� #gozags

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/ryan-lundvall/GtxSP54QEea-8KA2nzwbTA/default.htm

thespywhozaggedme
04-11-2017, 11:12 AM
A guard from France visited last week? Joel Ayayi 6'4" class of 2017

"Joel Ayayi ('00) is a 6-4 combo guard from France who plays for INSEP and the French U16 National Team. He is one of the best talents in europe in his age group. A really long guard with amazing intensity on the court. He is a pest defensively and has good tools to develop into a good offensive player."

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1769917-french-guard-joel-ayayi-visits-gonzaga

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DNQIKYlqE

Thanks for posting that, the writeup on him is pretty promising, plus he speaks English quite well. Knowing Killian is obviously a major "in". Looks like Tommy is at it again.

zagsfanforlife
04-11-2017, 11:18 AM
A guard from France visited last week? Joel Ayayi 6'4" class of 2017

"Joel Ayayi ('00) is a 6-4 combo guard from France who plays for INSEP and the French U16 National Team. He is one of the best talents in europe in his age group. A really long guard with amazing intensity on the court. He is a pest defensively and has good tools to develop into a good offensive player."

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1769917-french-guard-joel-ayayi-visits-gonzaga

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DNQIKYlqE

To me looks like a project. While project sometimes work out-- projects dont--- see Keita. Trust the staff i know, but i would hope we are at a point where we are not taking flyers on projects and going for high level kids with more certainty. Of course, i have never seen the kid play and maybe he is a contributor right away.

GoZags
04-11-2017, 11:19 AM
A guard from France visited last week? Joel Ayayi 6'4" class of 2017

"Joel Ayayi ('00) is a 6-4 combo guard from France who plays for INSEP and the French U16 National Team. He is one of the best talents in europe in his age group. A really long guard with amazing intensity on the court. He is a pest defensively and has good tools to develop into a good offensive player."

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1769917-french-guard-joel-ayayi-visits-gonzaga

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DNQIKYlqE

Yes ... another under the radar visit by a very promising prospect.

Goshzagit
04-11-2017, 11:20 AM
A guard from France visited last week? Joel Ayayi 6'4" class of 2017

"Joel Ayayi ('00) is a 6-4 combo guard from France who plays for INSEP and the French U16 National Team. He is one of the best talents in europe in his age group. A really long guard with amazing intensity on the court. He is a pest defensively and has good tools to develop into a good offensive player."

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1769917-french-guard-joel-ayayi-visits-gonzaga

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DNQIKYlqE


Thanks for the info.

Joel has been mentioned here a few times.

I really hope we get him. Need to learn the game and become more physical on both ends, but has HUGE potential.

6'7" wingspan, really solid shooter, & is fast in open court.

Would benefit greatly at a school like Gonzaga. Hope Tillie was his host.

Seems to be a fan of any or every ACC school though.

thespywhozaggedme
04-11-2017, 11:26 AM
What's funny is his style of play looks a lot like NWG in his reel, very similar games. Are we sure he's a 2017? he seems really young.

thespywhozaggedme
04-11-2017, 11:27 AM
To me looks like a project. While project sometimes work out-- projects dont--- see Keita. Trust the staff i know, but i would hope we are at a point where we are not taking flyers on projects and going for high level kids with more certainty. Of course, i have never seen the kid play and maybe he is a contributor right away.

I didn't see that at all. He's got a really well rounded, polished game for such a young kid.

SLOZag
04-11-2017, 11:40 AM
Scout reports Ayayi holds offer from Georgia Tech and Baylor.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/player/216139-joel-ayayi/recruiting?year=2016

jazzdelmar
04-11-2017, 12:03 PM
"Handle is very raw both in the half court and in transition. Forced to settle for deep jumpers after pick and roll switches because of a lack of creativity and shot creation off the bounce. Basic handle limits his ability to handle ball pressure when he's playing at the one. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/ ©DraftExpress."

Another PG without a handle? Oy vay.

Zag_Dad
04-11-2017, 12:26 PM
What's funny is his style of play looks a lot like NWG in his reel, very similar games. Are we sure he's a 2017? he seems really young.

Article posted in January of this year says he was 16 at the time:

"-Quick twitch athlete who appears to have untapped athletic potential –only 16 with a very thin base." - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/ ©DraftExpress

sittingon50
04-11-2017, 12:43 PM
Walkon?

Ryan Lundvall‏ @lundvall_ryan 5h5 hours ago
I'm officially a Bulldog! I will be attending Gonzaga University and will be working with the Men's Basketball team!���� #gozags

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/ryan-lundvall/GtxSP54QEea-8KA2nzwbTA/default.htm

Welcome Ryan.

You picked a GREAT school.

Zags_Fanatic
04-11-2017, 01:03 PM
A guard from France visited last week? Joel Ayayi 6'4" class of 2017

"Joel Ayayi ('00) is a 6-4 combo guard from France who plays for INSEP and the French U16 National Team. He is one of the best talents in europe in his age group. A really long guard with amazing intensity on the court. He is a pest defensively and has good tools to develop into a good offensive player."

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1769917-french-guard-joel-ayayi-visits-gonzaga

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Joel-Ayayi-97191/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0DNQIKYlqE

Here's a thread about Joel that I started a couple of months ago with a blurb from an ESPN Insider article:

http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?59382-Recruiting-2018-PG-Joel-Ayayi-from-France&highlight=joel+ayayi

thespywhozaggedme
04-11-2017, 01:56 PM
Here's a thread about Joel that I started a couple of months ago with a blurb from an ESPN Insider article:

http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?59382-Recruiting-2018-PG-Joel-Ayayi-from-France&highlight=joel+ayayi

Yeah, but as I pointed out in this thread, yours said he's a 2108, but this one says 2017. A little confusion.

ZagsObserver
04-11-2017, 02:09 PM
To me looks like a project. While project sometimes work out-- projects dont--- see Keita. Trust the staff i know, but i would hope we are at a point where we are not taking flyers on projects and going for high level kids with more certainty. Of course, i have never seen the kid play and maybe he is a contributor right away.

My thoughts as well.

Zags_Fanatic
04-11-2017, 02:10 PM
Yeah, but as I pointed out in this thread, yours said he's a 2108, but this one says 2017. A little confusion.

Interesting, that would make him a very young frosh at 17. I wonder who was right on that between ESPN and Scout.

thespywhozaggedme
04-11-2017, 03:04 PM
Hey GZ,
Is he a 2017 or 2018 Prospect? There seems to be a bit of confusion. Thanks

MickMick
04-11-2017, 03:08 PM
Yep. It all starts with defensive length and Mark Few finally buying into the importance of it.

Mantua
04-12-2017, 04:26 PM
Yep. It all starts with defensive length and Mark Few finally buying into the importance of it.

Amen.

We might be able to recruit more long athletic players with headlines like this:


Gonzaga’s Zach Collins enters NBA draft, becomes one-and-done without ever starting a game

http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/4/11/15266410/gonzaga-zach-collins-2017-nba-draft-projection-lottery-pick

cjm720
04-12-2017, 05:40 PM
Yep. It all starts with defensive length and Mark Few finally buying into the importance of it.

The players you mean...

DixieZag
04-12-2017, 06:41 PM
The players you mean...

That's where it starts, gotta be a player.

Hoopaholic
04-12-2017, 06:49 PM
That's where it starts, gotta be a player.

Got to. Buy in and believe as a player

WallaWallaZag
04-13-2017, 07:35 AM
FWIW -- Mathews played some really solid defense this year...and sometimes against guys bigger than him outside the wcc...never flashed this potential while at Cal.

On another note, the best defensive pg in recent years is Meech, so it can't be all about the d...

Martin Centre Mad Man
04-18-2017, 05:07 PM
I thought I'd bump this thread.

With as many as six players leaving (Karnowski, Mathews, Collins, NWG, Alberts, and Edwards), and only two new committed scholarship players (Wade and Kispert), does 2017 recruiting take on a greater sense of urgency?

I think Jones will take a scholarship, but that still leaves 2-3 more openings. I hope to land the French shooting guard, Joel Ayayi. Who else is out there who could play immediately?

thespywhozaggedme
04-18-2017, 05:42 PM
I thought I'd bump this thread.

With as many as six players leaving (Karnowski, Mathews, Collins, NWG, Alberts, and Edwards), and only two new committed scholarship players (Wade and Kispert), does 2017 recruiting take on a greater sense of urgency?

I think Jones will take a scholarship, but that still leaves 2-3 more openings. I hope to land the French shooting guard, Joel Ayayi. Who else is out there who could play immediately?

I think Ayayi is 2018

TravelinZag
04-19-2017, 11:26 PM
I thought I'd bump this thread.

With as many as six players leaving (Karnowski, Mathews, Collins, NWG, Alberts, and Edwards), and only two new committed scholarship players (Wade and Kispert), does 2017 recruiting take on a greater sense of urgency?

I think Jones will take a scholarship, but that still leaves 2-3 more openings. I hope to land the French shooting guard, Joel Ayayi. Who else is out there who could play immediately?

May need to come from grad transfers or more Euro miracles. 2017 class has some remaining talent, but is picked over, and it's late.

thebigsmoove
04-20-2017, 05:51 AM
I thought I'd bump this thread.

With as many as six players leaving (Karnowski, Mathews, Collins, NWG, Alberts, and Edwards), and only two new committed scholarship players (Wade and Kispert), does 2017 recruiting take on a greater sense of urgency?

I think Jones will take a scholarship, but that still leaves 2-3 more openings. I hope to land the French shooting guard, Joel Ayayi. Who else is out there who could play immediately?

Elijah Brown, grad transfer from New Mexico is a good possibility. The other openings could be filled by Noah Dickerson and Chase Jeter, but they would both have to sit a year. Which i think is fine considering we have Tillie and Larsen in the frontcourt. Ayayi is very likely to be classified as 2018 also. So there could still be room to add another under the radar transfer or international recruit to be eligible for 2017.

thebigsmoove
04-20-2017, 05:57 AM
although from what im hearing Noah Dickerson is narrowing his list to Virginia, Miami, and returning to Washington after all.

thebigsmoove
04-23-2017, 08:15 AM
Noah Dickerson chose to go back to UW. Chase Jeter is on a visit to San Diego St this weekend, Elijah Brown is on a visit to Iowa St.

Bogozags
04-23-2017, 09:12 AM
Noah Dickerson chose to go back to UW. Chase Jeter is on a visit to San Diego St this weekend, Elijah Brown is on a visit to Iowa St.

Even after having read all the posts in this thread, I am still not confident that Mr. Brown is GU material. I would bet that Iowa State is where he will end up as that is more his style of play.
BUT I sure do like the idea of Chase Jeter coming to GU, sitting a year and then blossoming into a strong bench player his first year and then shine his senior season...

Coach Crazy
04-23-2017, 09:47 AM
Even after having read all the posts in this thread, I am still not confident that Mr. Brown is GU material. I would bet that Iowa State is where he will end up as that is more his style of play.
BUT I sure do like the idea of Chase Jeter coming to GU, sitting a year and then blossoming into a strong bench player his first year and then shine his senior season...

Well, there is a good chance that 3 guys are coming into the program. One is very likely Chase Jeter (and that makes a whole lot of sense). One is probably a grad transfer. And the other is most likely a recruit. Sandro is committed to Seton Hall...so I am not sure who would be in the Euro market that Tommy would have the inside track with. And unless it's one of the unsigned C's or F's that is left for this year, in the Top 100 or close...then I have no clue.

I mean, I can throw some names against the wall and see if one happens to be a lucky guess: Matthias Tass of Estonia, Kurt Cassar of Italy, and Lukas Kisunas of Lithuania.

zagsfanforlife
04-23-2017, 10:04 AM
Well, there is a good chance that 3 guys are coming into the program. One is very likely Chase Jeter (and that makes a whole lot of sense). One is probably a grad transfer. And the other is most likely a recruit. Sandro is committed to Seton Hall...so I am not sure who would be in the Euro market that Tommy would have the inside track with. And unless it's one of the unsigned C's or F's that is left for this year, in the Top 100 or close...then I have no clue.

I mean, I can throw some names against the wall and see if one happens to be a lucky guess: Matthias Tass of Estonia, Kurt Cassar of Italy, and Lukas Kisunas of Lithuania.

You sound confident on Jeter.

If we got Jeter, a solid grad transfer and a European able to contribute immediately i would be happy.

Darreno
04-24-2017, 06:46 AM
I have a feeling Joel Ayayi will be announcing that he will be a Zag very soon!

WallaWallaZag
04-24-2017, 06:52 AM
I have a feeling Joel Ayayi will be announcing that he will be a Zag very soon!

has there been confirmation whether he is 2017 or 2018 yet???

thespywhozaggedme
04-24-2017, 07:54 AM
has there been confirmation whether he is 2017 or 2018 yet???

Hopefully '18 because we are loaded at wings and guards for this upcoming season. We really need power forward and center depth.

Darreno
04-24-2017, 08:10 AM
I believe he is 2017

thespywhozaggedme
04-24-2017, 09:04 AM
I believe he is 2017

He's only 17 and most sites list him as a 2018.

Zags_Fanatic
04-24-2017, 09:30 AM
has there been confirmation whether he is 2017 or 2018 yet???

The Evan Daniels article makes it sound like he is planning on enrolling in 2017 but it isn't totally clear.

thespywhozaggedme
04-24-2017, 10:33 AM
The Evan Daniels article makes it sound like he is planning on enrolling in 2017 but it isn't totally clear.

He's 16 and won't be 17 until 10 days from today. How on earth could he be a 2017 recruit?

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Joel-Ayayi/France/Centre-Federal-du-Basket-Ball/368870

Zags_Fanatic
04-24-2017, 10:42 AM
He's 16 and won't be 17 until 10 days from today. How on earth could he be a 2017 recruit?

http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Joel-Ayayi/France/Centre-Federal-du-Basket-Ball/368870

He turned 17 in March, I think the confusion is from US vs. Euro date (M/D vs. D/M). Still really young for sure. We'll just have to see where it goes.

thebigsmoove
04-24-2017, 03:49 PM
Elijah Brown is supposed to be visiting campus this weekend i think. I would think Chase Jeter still wants to visit UCLA, Oregon, UNLV, and Gonzaga. I think Joel Ayayi qualifies for 2017 since he will be 18 during the season? But im not 100% sure. If so, it would make a lot of sense for him to come in, learn from JP, Silas, and Zach and maybe even redshirt.

thespywhozaggedme
04-24-2017, 04:15 PM
Elijah Brown is supposed to be visiting campus this weekend i think. I would think Chase Jeter still wants to visit UCLA, Oregon, UNLV, and Gonzaga. I think Joel Ayayi qualifies for 2017 since he will be 18 during the season? But im not 100% sure. If so, it would make a lot of sense for him to come in, learn from JP, Silas, and Zach and maybe even redshirt.

I agree, I think he's a perfect Silas combo guard replacement

Martin Centre Mad Man
04-24-2017, 04:39 PM
Elijah Brown is supposed to be visiting campus this weekend i think. I would think Chase Jeter still wants to visit UCLA, Oregon, UNLV, and Gonzaga. I think Joel Ayayi qualifies for 2017 since he will be 18 during the season? But im not 100% sure. If so, it would make a lot of sense for him to come in, learn from JP, Silas, and Zach and maybe even redshirt.

I love having quality redshirt freshmen on the roster. Let young kids come in and spend a year earning the system and maturing physically. If an unexpected injury hits the roster, they can play right away.

TravelinZag
04-24-2017, 09:39 PM
[QUOTE=Chase Jeter is on a visit to San Diego St this weekend[/QUOTE]

Missed explanation of why Jeter is transferring. Definitely interesting, but transfer leaves me with questions. Anyone got answers?

Zags_Fanatic
04-25-2017, 12:14 AM
Missed explanation of why Jeter is transferring. Definitely interesting, but transfer leaves me with questions. Anyone got answers?

He had some injuries that held him back but the perception of Chase from Duke fans is that he may have been overrated out of high school and is a bit too soft to play the post in the NCAA. Nothing a year in the Olynyk Clinic can't handle.

Birddog
04-25-2017, 05:34 AM
Saw in another thread where some one mentioned David and Goliath so I did a little research. Goliath plays for Gath in the Phillistine league where he dominated the paint. Known as a lane protector more than a rim protector, he is an imposing figure at the 5. He probably would need a red shirt year to contribute at the D1 level and a year under Daniels teaching footwork and Knight reshaping his body and balance could do wonders. There just aren't many kids of Goliath's size. He is a bit foul prone and hasn't really been challenged as nobody compares to his size. Oh yeah, he has Zag hair too.

David plays for the Israelites a Class B school and he has been under the radar, but probably not for long. He is a smallish kid with great handles and has already taken over the PG spot from Saul who had to move to a wing. Scouts are saying that he is a deadly sharpshooter and not afraid to take the big shot. Since taking over, he has demonstrated exceptional leadership skills as well. The youngest of eight, he is quiet and unassuming. He has a lot of potential in the Zag PG tradition. Scouts say that even if he doesn't start as a freshman, he will probably get starter type minutes, it will be impossible to keep him off the floor. The future looks bright if the Zags can land these two.

TexasZagFan
04-25-2017, 06:05 AM
He had some injuries that held him back but the perception of Chase from Duke fans is that he may have been overrated out of high school and is a bit too soft to play the post in the NCAA. Nothing a year in the Olynyk Clinic can't handle.

Interesting comments coming from a fan base thrilled to get the Leg Sweeper back for one more year.

North Idaho Zag
04-25-2017, 07:35 AM
I know it's real late in the game and I don't know anything about him, but it seems like Brandon McCoy could be some one of interest. Anyone know anything about him?
http://www.scout.com/player/189915-brandon-mccoy?s=75

hondo
04-25-2017, 07:48 AM
Saw in another thread where some one mentioned David and Goliath so I did a little research. Goliath plays for Gath in the Phillistine league where he dominated the paint. Known as a lane protector more than a rim protector, he is an imposing figure at the 5. He probably would need a red shirt year to contribute at the D1 level and a year under Daniels teaching footwork and Knight reshaping his body and balance could do wonders. There just aren't many kids of Goliath's size. He is a bit foul prone and hasn't really been challenged as nobody compares to his size. Oh yeah, he has Zag hair too.

David plays for the Israelites a Class B school and he has been under the radar, but probably not for long. He is a smallish kid with great handles and has already taken over the PG spot from Saul who had to move to a wing. Scouts are saying that he is a deadly sharpshooter and not afraid to take the big shot. Since taking over, he has demonstrated exceptional leadership skills as well. The youngest of eight, he is quiet and unassuming. He has a lot of potential in the Zag PG tradition. Scouts say that even if he doesn't start as a freshman, he will probably get starter type minutes, it will be impossible to keep him off the floor. The future looks bright if the Zags can land these two.

Birddog.. Last time I saw Daniels he was in a whole lot of trouble, seems he was caught in a lion's den.

CDC84
04-25-2017, 07:50 AM
I would take Chase Jeter in a heartbeat with a year off to get healthy and improve his game. He could be a 16/8/2 guy depending on what kind of talent GU has on its roster.

gonzagafan62
04-25-2017, 07:51 AM
I would take Chase Jeter in a heartbeat with a year off to get healthy and improve his game. He could be a 16/8/2 guy depending on what kind of talent GU has on its roster.

Yup. He's the guy I want. Bad.

LongIslandZagFan
04-25-2017, 08:02 AM
I know it's real late in the game and I don't know anything about him, but it seems like Brandon McCoy could be some one of interest. Anyone know anything about him?
http://www.scout.com/player/189915-brandon-mccoy?s=75


Something seems off. 5 star recruit... with P5 teams showing only medium interest?

cggonzaga
04-25-2017, 08:37 AM
Something seems off. 5 star recruit... with P5 teams showing only medium interest?

Pretty sure the "interest" portion is the player's interest in the school. McCoy is coveted.

thespywhozaggedme
04-25-2017, 09:08 AM
I would take Chase Jeter in a heartbeat with a year off to get healthy and improve his game. He could be a 16/8/2 guy depending on what kind of talent GU has on its roster.

c'mon man. He put up 2 ppg at Duke. Please stop putting these unrealistic expectations on the kid, it's not fair.

CDC84
04-25-2017, 09:29 AM
c'mon man. He put up 2 ppg at Duke. Please stop putting these unrealistic expectations on the kid, it's not fair.

He's not a Zag, so I am free to put any expectations I want on him :) My view came from a highly respected college basketball analyst that I know....who really likes him and just thinks he chose the wrong school and has been hurt more than people know. He's talented. But my analyst didn't think he would get those numbers because GU has too many good players...even in a down year. Keep in mind, players can average 16ppg and not shoot very good percentages, etc.

Zags_Fanatic
04-25-2017, 09:32 AM
c'mon man. He put up 2 ppg at Duke. Please stop putting these unrealistic expectations on the kid, it's not fair.

In Travis Knight I trust.

Hoopaholic
04-25-2017, 09:34 AM
c'mon man. He put up 2 ppg at Duke. Please stop putting these unrealistic expectations on the kid, it's not fair.

does your drum get worn out ever?

I see great potential in this young man personally I hope we get him

Mr Vulture
04-25-2017, 10:05 AM
c'mon man. He put up 2 ppg at Duke. Please stop putting these unrealistic expectations on the kid, it's not fair.

I've yet to make the correlation between what Jeter's numbers were in limited playing time at Duke and what he could be with a year to work on his game at Gonzaga. It's not like Olynyk was a superstar when he redshirted, he was coming off a season that he averaged less than 6pts per game in 13 minutes. Look what he became with that development year under Knight. Jeter was a 5 star talent for a reason and he has had injuries that held him back. I want Chase Jeter MORE than I want Elijah Brown to be honest.

With that said, I still would like to see us get a frontcourt player (PF/C) that could be used as an effective rotation piece this coming season. I think we could survive without him, contrary to what some think, but it would help to have those minutes available. For the other spots, I have no problem bringing in a kid like Ayayi, particularly as a red shirt development for 2018. With the fourth spot, get a guy that fits the program for the future. I don't really care if he is a transfer or HS kid nor do I care if he is eligible for the coming season.

Wish list for me: Jeter (RS), Ayayi (RS), TBD PF/C (eligible), TBD Player

thespywhozaggedme
04-25-2017, 10:25 AM
does your drum get worn out ever?

I see great potential in this young man personally I hope we get him

So you think predicting 16/8 for a guy that put up 2 ppg is "realistic"? I've been on record as saying that if he puts up 7/7 for us as the back up big I'd be happy with that. My whole point is to not lay unrealistic expectations on the kid that's unfair to him. How's that for a drumbeat? :-)

Coach Crazy
04-25-2017, 10:28 AM
Chase is every bit the high caliber 5* he was ranked to be. He just needs the right infrastructure. Duke isn't exactly fantastic at developing talent.

As far as Brandon McCoy: would be a huge get. But I have seen no connection to him.


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LongIslandZagFan
04-25-2017, 10:53 AM
Chase is every bit the high caliber 5* he was ranked to be. He just needs the right infrastructure. Duke isn't exactly fantastic at developing talent.

As far as Brandon McCoy: would be a huge get. But I have seen no connection to him.


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From what I have read... sounds like he is likely heading to East Lansing.

gonzagafan62
04-25-2017, 11:23 AM
So you think predicting 16/8 for a guy that put up 2 ppg is "realistic"? I've been on record as saying that if he puts up 7/7 for us as the back up big I'd be happy with that. My whole point is to not lay unrealistic expectations on the kid that's unfair to him. How's that for a drumbeat? :-)

I remember Kentucky laughing at us for wanting a very slow non defender in wiltjer...

Turned out pretty good wouldn't you say? Also s bench player for calipari

Jeter is the real deal. Wrong system. Coach K doesn't recruit players to fit a system. He recruits for talent

Mr Vulture
04-25-2017, 11:54 AM
From what I have read... sounds like he is likely heading to East Lansing.

Not sure what you've read but the first thing that Jeter stated was that he wanted to get closer to home (Las Vegas) so not sure how Michigan State would fit the bill. I think he is much more likely to go to UCLA, Gonzaga, UCLA, USC, or another west coast team.

Zag_Dad
04-25-2017, 12:09 PM
Not sure what you've read but the first thing that Jeter stated was that he wanted to get closer to home (Las Vegas) so not sure how Michigan State would fit the bill. I think he is much more likely to go to UCLA, Gonzaga, UCLA, USC, or another west coast team.

Uhhh.... you said UCLA twice? Freudian slip? Perhaps you meant "he is much more likely to go to Gonzaga, GU, the Pacific Northwest, a school in Spokane, a team in Washington that played in the national championship game"?

For me, Jeter would be an awesome get. Red shirt year to get healthy and develop under Knight. I think the naysayers who focus on his numbers while at Duke are overlooking his potential and inherent talent.

strikenowhere
04-25-2017, 12:15 PM
Not sure what you've read but the first thing that Jeter stated was that he wanted to get closer to home (Las Vegas) so not sure how Michigan State would fit the bill. I think he is much more likely to go to UCLA, Gonzaga, UCLA, USC, or another west coast team.

I think LIZF is referring to Brandon McCoy

thespywhozaggedme
04-25-2017, 12:45 PM
I remember Kentucky laughing at us for wanting a very slow non defender in wiltjer...

Turned out pretty good wouldn't you say? Also s bench player for calipari

Jeter is the real deal. Wrong system. Coach K doesn't recruit players to fit a system. He recruits for talent

You wrote this before and I responded back that he averaged 11ppg at UK. And if you can show me one post of a Kentucky fan "laughing at us" for wanting Wiltjer, I'd be shocked. I'm not saying that you're making this up, but let's just say I think you're stretching the truth a bit.

Hoopaholic
04-25-2017, 02:15 PM
You wrote this before and I responded back that he averaged 11ppg at UK. And if you can show me one post of a Kentucky fan "laughing at us" for wanting Wiltjer, I'd be shocked. I'm not saying that you're making this up, but let's just say I think you're stretching the truth a bit.

BAdams July 19, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Well congrats on killing any NBA career you could have had. Have fun being irrelevant.

thespywhozaggedme
04-25-2017, 02:29 PM
BAdams July 19, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
Well congrats on killing any NBA career you could have had. Have fun being irrelevant.

That poster was ripping Wiltjer for transferring to GU, not us for getting him. Plus, the narrative for some reason is to compare Jeter with Wiltjer, but the later averaged 10.2ppg his last season at UK and I believe was the SEC 6th man of the year. The former has averaged 2.2 ppg over his injury plagued career thus far. Not sure how the two are comparable. If he comes here, great, I'll cheer my head off, but I'm just cautioning those of you that seem to think he's gonna come in a dominate and be a lottery pick to slow your roll a little bit and temper your expectations, it's unfair to him.

Coach Crazy
04-25-2017, 02:36 PM
From what I have read... sounds like he is likely heading to East Lansing.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. Zona has Ayton, and SDSU isn't a major player, as well, Oregon doesn't seem to necessarily fit. That's one to at least reach out to...


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Goshzagit
04-25-2017, 03:10 PM
Jeter has visited SDSU & Cal. Arizona up next.

UCLA soon.

Not sure about us.

doctorzag
04-25-2017, 03:45 PM
c'mon man. He put up 2 ppg at Duke. Please stop putting these unrealistic expectations on the kid, it's not fair.

We need to stop posting about Chase Jeter. Spy thinks he`s a stiff. Someone let the staff know to stop recruiting him. Also let the coaches at Arizona, Ucla, and Usc know because for some reason they want him too.

thespywhozaggedme
04-25-2017, 03:54 PM
We need to stop posting about Chase Jeter. Spy thinks he`s a stiff. Someone let the staff know to stop recruiting him. Also let the coaches at Arizona, Ucla, and Usc know because for some reason they want him too.

Your post is silly. Where have I said that? I've said repeatedly that if he comes here, I'll welcome him with open arms and cheer my head off for him, but I caution those that expect him to put up 16/8 may be setting themselves up for disappointment and are also setting him up for unrealistic expectations. I'd consider 7/7 for him a win.

maynard g krebs
04-25-2017, 03:58 PM
Duck insiders were talking like McCoy was a virtual lock to UO a few weeks ago. Then he was reported to be in Michigan talking with Izzo; turned out he merely was in Mich on a flight stopover, reportedly. Latest has him visiting UNLV per Duckterritory on 24/7 network.

Very close to fmr Duck Dwayne Benjiman, refers to him as his brother. Some Duck fans still think he was waiting to see if Bell went pro or not.

24/7 site crystal ball (19 predictions) currently says 63% Oregon, 16% Mich St, 11% UNLV, 11% Arizona.

maynard g krebs
04-25-2017, 04:01 PM
That poster was ripping Wiltjer for transferring to GU, not us for getting him. Plus, the narrative for some reason is to compare Jeter with Wiltjer, but the later averaged 10.2ppg his last season at UK and I believe was the SEC 6th man of the year. The former has averaged 2.2 ppg over his injury plagued career thus far. Not sure how the two are comparable. If he comes here, great, I'll cheer my head off, but I'm just cautioning those of you that seem to think he's gonna come in a dominate and be a lottery pick to slow your roll a little bit and temper your expectations, it's unfair to him.

Dan Dickau averaged less than 5 ppg at UW. But some people knew how good he was.

seacatfan
04-25-2017, 04:09 PM
Duck insiders were talking like McCoy was a virtual lock to UO a few weeks ago. Then he was reported to be in Michigan talking with Izzo; turned out he merely was in Mich on a flight stopover, reportedly. Latest has him visiting UNLV per Duckterritory on 24/7 network.

Very close to fmr Duck Dwayne Benjiman, refers to him as his brother. Some Duck fans still think he was waiting to see if Bell went pro or not.

24/7 site crystal ball currently says 63% Oregon, 16% Mich St, 11% UNLV, 11% Arizona.

This is like cloak and dagger stuff. Recruiting is a rather odd business.

Coach Crazy
04-25-2017, 04:23 PM
This is like cloak and dagger stuff. Recruiting is a rather odd business.

And he just doesn't seem like a player that fits into the Duck system.


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cjm720
04-25-2017, 04:42 PM
Spy you crack me up. You'll search the net far and wide for a recruit that hasn't signed and when we have one with some interest you're not high on him. I think he'd thrive in our system but I'd say that about anyone we recruit and wanted to be a Zag...

MBAGael
04-25-2017, 05:12 PM
Looks like brown will visit you very soon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/espn960sports/status/857031473836290048

BobZag
04-25-2017, 05:42 PM
Looks like brown will visit you very soon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/espn960sports/status/857031473836290048

If it's Mrs. Brown, I hear she has a lovely daughter.

thespywhozaggedme
04-25-2017, 06:09 PM
Spy you crack me up. You'll search the net far and wide for a recruit that hasn't signed and when we have one with some interest you're not high on him. I think he'd thrive in our system but I'd say that about anyone we recruit and wanted to be a Zag...

It's not that I am not high on Jeter it's just that I think we should temper our expectations for us as fans and for him as a player. As I've said over a dozen times I will cheer like crazy for him if he chooses to become a zag.

scrooner
04-25-2017, 06:12 PM
Looks like brown will visit you very soon:

https://mobile.twitter.com/espn960sports/status/857031473836290048

Maybe we can offer his dad a job as an assistant coach to sweeten the deal ;)

Coach Crazy
04-25-2017, 06:45 PM
Maybe we can offer his dad a job as an assistant coach to sweeten the deal ;)

That would be a win for everybody, though. Unlike the UW/Mizzou fiasco


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Rbo
04-25-2017, 06:46 PM
Aha, the Romar method!

Maybe we can offer his dad a job as an assistant coach to sweeten the deal ;)

Rbo
04-25-2017, 06:47 PM
And make him the highest paid assistant coach, even though he doesn't have the credentials. Perfect.
Aha, the Romar method!

willandi
04-25-2017, 06:49 PM
Dan Dickau averaged less than 5 ppg at UW. But some people knew how good he was.

But he was a 6'6" PG, so he wasn't to short for some of our posters!

maynard g krebs
04-25-2017, 07:29 PM
If it's Mrs. Brown, I hear she has a lovely daughter.

LOL. Nobody under 60 has the faintest idea what you're talking about, unless they've accidentally pressed the button for the AM oldies station.

Zagdawg
04-25-2017, 07:31 PM
Brandon McCoy‏
@flyguyfreddyy

Blessd and truly thankful to say I've committed to UNLV !!!

Coach Crazy
04-25-2017, 07:58 PM
Brandon McCoy‏
@flyguyfreddyy

Blessd and truly thankful to say I've committed to UNLV !!!

I wonder how stuffed the duffle bag was...



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sittingon50
04-25-2017, 07:59 PM
But he was a 6'6" PG, so he wasn't to short for some of our posters!

6'6" is a helluva big poster, will. Might have to scoot my bed over in front of the window to free up some room on the wall!

sittingon50
04-25-2017, 08:02 PM
LOL. Nobody under 60 has the faintest idea what you're talking about

Not guilty!

ZagaZags
04-25-2017, 08:19 PM
Brandon McCoy‏
@flyguyfreddyy

Blessd and truly thankful to say I've committed to UNLV !!!

I'm confused, did you think Gonzaga was in the running for Brandon McCoy‏? :confused:

dhozagfan08
04-25-2017, 08:26 PM
How the heck does unlv keep getting guys like this?! Bad team in a bad conference. What do they have to offer?

sittingon50
04-25-2017, 08:28 PM
How the heck does unlv keep getting guys like this?! Bad team in a bad conference. What do they have to offer?

The Raider's.

ZagaZags
04-25-2017, 08:29 PM
How the heck does unlv keep getting guys like this?! Bad team in a bad conference. What do they have to offer?

Hookers?

http://fanaru.com/family-guy/image/14758-family-guy-stewies-sexy-party-dance.gif

hondo
04-25-2017, 09:46 PM
Girls as sharp as her are somethin' rare

WallaWallaZag
04-25-2017, 10:33 PM
I'm confused, did you think Gonzaga was in the running for Brandon McCoy‏? :confused:

some people are just grasping at straws because the zags have a need for a big...and mccoy was one of the last unsigned bigs with the talent to make an immediate impact...not saying the staff shouldn't have at least kicked the tires.

Zagdawg
04-25-2017, 10:39 PM
Not that I thought we had a shot at him-- but he was one of the last of the three uncommitted top 100 players that could fill our need for an extra big man --besides Bamba --(no chance) and Tilmon.

maynard g krebs
04-25-2017, 11:09 PM
Hookers?

http://fanaru.com/family-guy/image/14758-family-guy-stewies-sexy-party-dance.gif

Close. I was gonna say hookers and blow.

jazzdelmar
04-26-2017, 04:48 AM
Nah, the reason is a lot more prosaic. From today's SD rag:

"So how does a McDonald’s All-American wind up at a last-place team in a struggling league?

The first clue came in January, when the Rebels got a commitment from a 6-7 forward (Anthony Smith) who had never played high school ball and was at an obscure junior college in Northern California (Feather River).

Smith said he picked UNLV for the “family atmosphere” while also mentioning that Shaun Manning is “like an uncle to me.” The San Diego-based Manning, who goes by “Ice,” is a major player in the AAU scene and also happens to be McCoy’s guardian.

Recruiting insiders said back then that McCoy, as crazy as it might sound, was headed to UNLV to help revive a once-proud program.

Menzies was an assistant under Steve Fisher at San Diego State from 1999-2003 and was considered a top-notch recruiter. He left SDSU for the head coaching job at New Mexico State and had five 20-win seasons in Las Cruces."

May also answer a lot of questions as to how SDSU filched players from GU among others in recent years......

thespywhozaggedme
04-26-2017, 06:09 AM
Nah, the reason is a lot more prosaic. From today's SD rag:

"So how does a McDonald’s All-American wind up at a last-place team in a struggling league?

The first clue came in January, when the Rebels got a commitment from a 6-7 forward (Anthony Smith) who had never played high school ball and was at an obscure junior college in Northern California (Feather River).

Smith said he picked UNLV for the “family atmosphere” while also mentioning that Shaun Manning is “like an uncle to me.” The San Diego-based Manning, who goes by “Ice,” is a major player in the AAU scene and also happens to be McCoy’s guardian.

Recruiting insiders said back then that McCoy, as crazy as it might sound, was headed to UNLV to help revive a once-proud program.

Menzies was an assistant under Steve Fisher at San Diego State from 1999-2003 and was considered a top-notch recruiter. He left SDSU for the head coaching job at New Mexico State and had five 20-win seasons in Las Cruces."

May also answer a lot of questions as to how SDSU filched players from GU among others in recent years......

Coach Ice. Nice

thespywhozaggedme
06-01-2017, 05:02 PM
I'm bringing this back because basketballzag said that the Pecarski is a 2017 recruit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yFj--_QFwUU

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TfWTJfetTe4

thespywhozaggedme
06-02-2017, 07:57 AM
Let's post about our potential Euro's here guys, because they're 2017's. No need to get confused.

hooter73
06-02-2017, 10:54 AM
I guess I've gotten lost in the hints and foods and such across the different threads, is this just GU board speculation as in, 'it'd be nice if we were looking at these guys' or is this our non-hint insider info of, we are looking at these guys.' ?

thespywhozaggedme
06-02-2017, 11:11 AM
I guess I've gotten lost in the hints and foods and such across the different threads, is this just GU board speculation as in, 'it'd be nice if we were looking at these guys' or is this our non-hint insider info of, we are looking at these guys.' ?

pretty sure it's the later

hooter73
06-02-2017, 12:57 PM
Sweet. He needs work/coaching for NCAA type ball no doubt but would do nicely to back up Larsen as our 3rd/4th big next year. Would love to see a big drop bombs Olynik/Wiltjer style for the next few years to come.

Coach Crazy
06-02-2017, 01:03 PM
I guess I've gotten lost in the hints and foods and such across the different threads, is this just GU board speculation as in, 'it'd be nice if we were looking at these guys' or is this our non-hint insider info of, we are looking at these guys.' ?

Pecarski and possibly Samanic are Zag targets. For sure Pecarski likes the Zags.

I'll say this right now:..............i think Taeshon would be a huge get.......BUT......if I was guaranteed Samanic and Pecarski (I'm bigger on Luka) and it wouldn't endanger picking up Kamaka Hepa, and all I had to do was rescind the Cherry offer? I do it.


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hooter73
06-02-2017, 03:13 PM
Totally agree. I mean we know we wouldnt rescind and Cherry is going to do really well (in the right program) but yeah Luka has definitely caught my eye as my number one. Pecarski needs some coaching imo but he'd be a good timely guy to get in and he could probably have some fun here. I know Hepa is putting up numbers but I still havent seen it click for me on just what type of a player he could be.

amaronizag
06-02-2017, 03:37 PM
Luka Samanic is from Croatia, is that right? Does David Stockton still play for Croatia?? Just sayin'.........if so, he better be talking up GU to Luka. Love to see Luka at GU!!!!

HenneZag
06-02-2017, 03:43 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0L910qa0BeU

Not a ton to go off of but Luka looks pretty fluid and smooth for a big.

Coach Crazy
06-02-2017, 04:16 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0L910qa0BeU

Not a ton to go off of but Luka looks pretty fluid and smooth for a big.

That was him at 15, I believe? The highlights below are from the tourney that CFBB and Ayayi won.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rmo1uBpIW8


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Zagdawg
06-02-2017, 05:12 PM
Did we hear that Tommy is on these guys or is this just conjecture/hoping?

hooter73
06-02-2017, 05:25 PM
Did we hear that Tommy is on these guys or is this just conjecture/hoping?

see post #104 and #105 :)

Worthington
06-02-2017, 05:42 PM
Samanic would be a major, major pick-up. He could probably declare for the draft next year and get first round consideration without coming over. Has their been any confirmed interest though?

Pecarski is very high level as well, but more fits the mold that we're used to seeing of a Euro who could use a couple years of college basketball to improve their draft stock.

Getting either would be big time.

Coach Crazy
06-02-2017, 07:24 PM
Samanic would be a major, major pick-up. He could probably declare for the draft next year and get first round consideration without coming over. Has their been any confirmed interest though?

Pecarski is very high level as well, but more fits the mold that we're used to seeing of a Euro who could use a couple years of college basketball to improve their draft stock.

Getting either would be big time.

"I see at least two elite level Euros that Gonzaga has had on their radar for awhile also opting to make the trip overseas. It would be one team where Paella would be a staple crop if we can get them here."

-basketballzag

There are really only 2 players that play for Barca U18, Samanic and Zizic. And of course Pecarski has Spanish citizenship and has shown some affinity for Gonzaga.


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scrooner
06-02-2017, 07:43 PM
Here's a glowing write-up on Samanic from last June:

2016 adidas Eurocamp: Next Gen Prospects
Luka Samanic (’00, 6-9, SF/PF, Croatia, Regal Barcelona)

The Croatian prospect literally stole the show during the exibition game, dominating on both sides of the court. As a 6-9 forward with power forward size and small forward skills, thanks to his superior body control and quickness. He shows a lot of personality with a competitive nature and is in a good place to develop at Barecelona. He has size, length, aggressiveness and a complete offensive repertoire, including Eurosteps and pull-up jumpers from mid-range. He also looked very comfortable stepping back for a 3 pointer. On top of all this, he's an elite level leaper and athlete as he got way above the rim for one dunk coming down the lane. France's Sekou Doumbouya is a highly touted prospect, but Samanic is better. This is a kid that clearly has lottery level talent, which is rare to be able to say about a 16 year old.

DixieZag
06-03-2017, 07:55 AM
Here's a glowing write-up on Samanic from last June:

2016 adidas Eurocamp: Next Gen Prospects
Luka Samanic (’00, 6-9, SF/PF, Croatia, Regal Barcelona)

The Croatian prospect literally stole the show during the exibition game, dominating on both sides of the court. As a 6-9 forward with power forward size and small forward skills, thanks to his superior body control and quickness. He shows a lot of personality with a competitive nature and is in a good place to develop at Barecelona. He has size, length, aggressiveness and a complete offensive repertoire, including Eurosteps and pull-up jumpers from mid-range. He also looked very comfortable stepping back for a 3 pointer. On top of all this, he's an elite level leaper and athlete as he got way above the rim for one dunk coming down the lane. France's Sekou Doumbouya is a highly touted prospect, but Samanic is better. This is a kid that clearly has lottery level talent, which is rare to be able to say about a 16 year old.

Gulp. This makes me start to really invest in wanting this guy.

Last time I felt this way about an overseas player was about some dude named Sabonis and I think that worked out pretty well.

I don't know his time frame for a decision, but if he's classified 2017, it's pretty well time to get that decision made, so .....

I sure hope we hook him.

ZagsObserver
06-03-2017, 08:22 AM
Sounds like Elias Harris.

JAGzag
06-03-2017, 08:41 AM
Rather than posters thinking we have a shot with this kid, does anyone really know? He looks like an amazing talent and would be a huge get for next year.

Coach Crazy
06-03-2017, 09:42 AM
Sounds like Elias Harris.

Different. Samanic is taller, longer, better shooter, and not as explosive.


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Coach Crazy
06-03-2017, 09:44 AM
Rather than posters thinking we have a shot with this kid, does anyone really know? He looks like an amazing talent and would be a huge get for next year.

Read the excerpt from BBZ I put in post #115. As much as I do not agree with everything he says, when he makes statements about the possibility of players...I trust he wouldn't say something lacking some sort of substance.


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Outraged
06-03-2017, 02:18 PM
Read the excerpt from BBZ I put in post #115. As much as I do not agree with everything he says, when he makes statements about the possibility of players...I trust he wouldn't say something lacking some sort of substance.


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So if he is only 50% right we get one. Wow last year we only had a guy with a bad back and a freshman big. We should do better next year with these guys.

MDABE80
06-03-2017, 06:10 PM
Get both and we return to the FF. I have no doubt.

zagsfanforlife
06-03-2017, 08:41 PM
Get both and we return to the FF. I have no doubt.

Next year?I mean they look good.. but enough to take them to the final four? Maybe in a couple years?

thespywhozaggedme
06-03-2017, 09:00 PM
Next year?I mean they look good.. but enough to take them to the final four? Maybe in a couple years?

Zach did it as a true freshman

amaronizag
06-03-2017, 09:17 PM
Final Four -- maybe in a couple years if we get them??
This is the rub........ As our success takes our recruiting to ever higher levels, we may get higher caliber players that won't be here for two years. You've only got one basketball season to bring the young recruits together and turn them into a Final Four team. Having them stay for two years would be great. Having a mix of seasoned upper class men to teach the under class men may become less of an option. There are probably a million reasons why it's a bad idea, but wouldn't it be great if college basketball players signed contracts so we would know we had them for a specified length of time?? I'm sure the recruiting process would still make me a nervous wreck.

seacatfan
06-04-2017, 08:28 AM
Zach did it as a true freshman

Zach picked a good season to be a freshman at GU. He certainly was a big contributor, but there were several other guys without whom the Final 4 wouldn't have happened.

thespywhozaggedme
06-04-2017, 08:33 AM
Zach picked a good season to be a freshman at GU. He certainly was a big contributor, but there were several other guys without whom the Final 4 wouldn't have happened.

Agreed, no one's arguing to the contrary. But to say that true freshman can't help get to a final four run is factually incorrect as evidenced by this past season.

seacatfan
06-04-2017, 08:47 AM
Agreed, no one's arguing to the contrary. But to say that true freshman can't help get to a final four run is factually incorrect as evidenced by this past season.

Yes, agree completely. That fact has been proven true many times over at many schools going back several decades.

btzag
06-04-2017, 03:45 PM
Other than Kentucky and Duke, you have to have a combination of vets and high level youngsters to win a title. See both GU and UNC as an example. For me, I'm happy if we are in the top 15 and competing and maybe we hit some great luck like last year and almost win one! I do think this team, with one of those two Euros, is top 15.

thespywhozaggedme
06-13-2017, 06:36 PM
Any twitter rumblings about our potential euro studs?

Reborn
06-14-2017, 06:45 AM
That was him at 15, I believe? The highlights below are from the tourney that CFBB and Ayayi won.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rmo1uBpIW8


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This kid is really something special. I saw flashed of Adam Morrison. He looks like a 6'9" guard. He can really handle the ball and pass, and his reverse dribble move is so quick. I must chime in and say, let's get this kid. He has multiple moves like Adam and can get to the hoop and finish the way Adam could. But there is one big difference, Samanic is way more athletic. This kid can jump and dunk. Wow!!!

Go Zags!!!

kitzbuel
06-14-2017, 06:57 AM
Anyone have an idea if Ayayi will be on the France U19 with Tillie? Have not seen any official roster yet.

ZagsGoZags
06-14-2017, 08:55 AM
Sometimes the coaches have delivered a wonderful May surprise. Not this year. I wonder if there is still time
for June surprise ...

Reborn
06-14-2017, 05:18 PM
Is Samanic 2017 recruit?

kitzbuel
06-15-2017, 09:16 AM
He could be. Same year group as Ayayi.

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Worthington
06-18-2017, 12:37 PM
Jake Weingarten‏ @jakeweingarten 21m21 minutes ago
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2017 Andre Rafus Jr. who decomitted from TCU today, tells me he has already heard from Georgetown, Gonzaga, and Penn St.
His final 7 included Kansas and Kentucky. May never have received an offer from them, but from the highlights below you can see why they were involved. Surprisingly not super highly rated, but I would take this kid in a heartbeat. Great fluidity and athleticism at his size. Needs to bulk up a bit, but has huge potential as a 3/4 combo. Remind anyone of Jonathan Williams?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeoaB6GN36U

thespywhozaggedme
06-18-2017, 01:00 PM
His final 7 included Kansas and Kentucky. May never have received an offer from them, but from the highlights below you can see why they were involved. Surprisingly not super highly rated, but I would take this kid in a heartbeat. Great fluidity and athleticism and his size. Needs to bulk up a bit, but has huge potential as a 3/4 combo. Remind anyone of Jonathan Williams?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeoaB6GN36U

Good find. Other than being left-handed and very similar body types, no, I didn't really see a similarity between him JW3. 95% of the highlights were from the perimeter and it appears he's a great shooter. Even listed as a small forward. I guess I would take a flyer on him and red shirt him for a year.

Coach Crazy
06-18-2017, 01:33 PM
His final 7 included Kansas and Kentucky. May never have received an offer from them, but from the highlights below you can see why they were involved. Surprisingly not super highly rated, but I would take this kid in a heartbeat. Great fluidity and athleticism and his size. Needs to bulk up a bit, but has huge potential as a 3/4 combo. Remind anyone of Jonathan Williams?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeoaB6GN36U

Better shooter, but the way he moves? absolutely.


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Martin Centre Mad Man
06-18-2017, 02:27 PM
This kid would round out the roster quite nicely. Go get him.

ZagsGoZags
06-18-2017, 02:40 PM
is this a year we would have given Ryan Edwards significant minutes?
somehow I doubt it.
Looks like we will play next year with a couple of extra scholarships unfilled? is that the way it works?
or maybe accept a few more walk ons than usual?
or will all our sholarships be filled by the first game?

jazzdelmar
06-18-2017, 03:05 PM
Plenty of numbers. No stars. Need one or 3 to bubble to the top.

kitzbuel
06-19-2017, 09:19 AM
Better shooter, but the way he moves? absolutely.


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Wonder if he can play defense.

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Murphy outgo lifer
06-22-2017, 11:25 PM
A new article was written about Luka Samanic and his experience at the NBA Players Association Top 100 Camp.

https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/americans-europeans-develop-basketball-players-differently/

"For Samanic, it was an eye-opening experience. He’s not sure if he will follow a plan similar to Markkanen and come to the United States to play at a major college, or continue to move up through European clubs.

But he now knows getting stronger and more physical near the basket is key for an NBA future."

Coach Crazy
06-23-2017, 04:57 AM
A new article was written about Luka Samanic and his experience at the NBA Players Association Top 100 Camp.

https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/americans-europeans-develop-basketball-players-differently/

"For Samanic, it was an eye-opening experience. He’s not sure if he will follow a plan similar to Markkanen and come to the United States to play at a major college, or continue to move up through European clubs.

But he now knows getting stronger and more physical near the basket is key for an NBA future."

He'd be a possible one-and-done at Gonzaga, if he had an off-season before his freshman campaign to get into the gym with Travis.


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thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 10:53 AM
Does anyone know if Grant Shephard committed anywhere? He's from Kelly's hometown of Kelowna, BC and played at national powerhouse Montverde in FLorida. He's 6'9, but pretty skinny right now, but a red shirt year would do him some good. He played really well in Canada's huge upset over USA yesterday; 12/5. I can't see where he signed.

ZagZombie
07-09-2017, 12:14 PM
Signed with UBC http://www.independentsportsnews.com/2017/04/14/ubc-mens-basketball-sign-grant-shephard/

BurgessEraZag
07-09-2017, 12:18 PM
WHAT'S UP IN PROVO?
This may need its own thread. We watched a year or two ago when BYU kicked a big Issacs, I think, out and he went to Southern Utah to play great ball.
I spoke today to a former teammate of Steven Beo who has decided to transfer to Eastern Washington. The teammate who played with Beo on Richland's state 4A tournament team said Beo was
called into the office and told they were taking his scholarship. Beo averaged 27 ppg at Richland and played as backup guard for BYU this past season.
Coach Rose is reputed to run a good program but where's the fairness in this action?

Spokaneer
07-09-2017, 12:28 PM
WHAT'S UP IN PROVO?
This may need its own thread. We watched a year or two ago when BYU kicked a big Issacs, I think, out and he went to Southern Utah to play great ball.
I spoke today to a former teammate of Steven Beo who has decided to transfer to Eastern Washington. The teammate who played with Beo on Richland's state 4A tournament team said Beo was
called into the office and told they were taking his scholarship. Beo averaged 27 ppg at Richland and played as backup guard for BYU this past season.
Coach Rose is reputed to run a good program but where's the fairness in this action?

I'm not a big fan of Coach Rose but this happens frequently.
https://www.vanquishthefoe.com/byu-basketball/2017/4/25/15427984/byu-basketball-roster-transfers-jamal-aytes-davin-guinn-steven-beo-dave-rose


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thespywhozaggedme
07-09-2017, 01:14 PM
Signed with UBC http://www.independentsportsnews.com/2017/04/14/ubc-mens-basketball-sign-grant-shephard/

Wow, that's a huge coup by a Canadian University, he definitely has the skills to play D1, I guess he just wanted to go back to Canada

Coach Crazy
07-09-2017, 01:23 PM
WHAT'S UP IN PROVO?
This may need its own thread. We watched a year or two ago when BYU kicked a big Issacs, I think, out and he went to Southern Utah to play great ball.
I spoke today to a former teammate of Steven Beo who has decided to transfer to Eastern Washington. The teammate who played with Beo on Richland's state 4A tournament team said Beo was
called into the office and told they were taking his scholarship. Beo averaged 27 ppg at Richland and played as backup guard for BYU this past season.
Coach Rose is reputed to run a good program but where's the fairness in this action?

They are one year agreements. Unless there is something being said outside of that expectation, you either earn your spot...or that spot needs to go to someone else.


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soccerdud
07-09-2017, 01:45 PM
They are one year agreements. Unless there is something being said outside of that expectation, you either earn your spot...or that spot needs to go to someone else.


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especially when the player in question came as a walk-on and was given one later because there were unused ones for the year. this isn't like luring a kid to your school with the promise that it will be free and then pulling it partway through.

sittingon50
07-09-2017, 03:40 PM
Beo was a walk-on. Pretty sure he never had a schollie.

Coach Crazy
07-09-2017, 03:50 PM
especially when the player in question came as a walk-on and was given one later because there were unused ones for the year. this isn't like luring a kid to your school with the promise that it will be free and then pulling it partway through.

Precisely. I don't like BYU, but I can't fault a coach for this.


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webspinnre
07-10-2017, 07:23 AM
This is a pretty standard process that happens all across college sports. In the good news, I've been given to understand that when this happens at GU, the coaches will often have already worked in advance to give them options of other schools that are interested. This happened with a friend of mine who was a walk-on, and while he didn't have a scholarship, he was basically told that he wouldn't be coming back the next year, and was given a list of schools who were interested in him.

Zagdawg
07-28-2017, 09:33 AM
Our starting center?

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/07/28/western-kentuckys-five-star-recruit-mitchell-robinson-has-left-campus/

sittingon50
07-28-2017, 09:38 AM
So the key is to hire his godfather, eh?

:rolleyes:

maynard g krebs
07-28-2017, 12:15 PM
So the key is to hire his godfather, eh?

:rolleyes:

Make him an offer he can't refuse?

scrooner
07-28-2017, 01:33 PM
So you want to be a lottery pick one-and-done 7-foot center? You can do that at Gonzaga even from the bench.

thespywhozaggedme
07-28-2017, 01:39 PM
Our starting center?

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2017/07/28/western-kentuckys-five-star-recruit-mitchell-robinson-has-left-campus/

How many of the top programs in the country that are in dire need of a center still have scholarships left? They should jump all over this guy, but is he still eligible this year since he already practiced with the team?

Zagdawg
07-28-2017, 03:07 PM
The other new big man that just became eligible for 2017

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting/2017/7/28/16060592/marvin-bagley-iii-reclassify-to-2017-recruiting-duke-arizona-usc-official-visit-date-2018-nba-draft

JAGzag
07-28-2017, 04:45 PM
The other new big man that just became eligible for 2017

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting/2017/7/28/16060592/marvin-bagley-iii-reclassify-to-2017-recruiting-duke-arizona-usc-official-visit-date-2018-nba-draft

Pretty sure he's bound for UNC.

JPtheBeasta
07-29-2017, 01:34 PM
How many of the top programs in the country that are in dire need of a center still have scholarships left? They should jump all over this guy, but is he still eligible this year since he already practiced with the team?

The article I read said that he would need a waiver from the NCAA.

SLOZag
08-18-2017, 10:17 AM
The Slipper has a short write-up regarding Doutrive:

"Devante Doutrive, a three-star, 6’5 shooting guard, is planning on setting up an official visit to Gonzaga within the next couple of weeks, Scout.com reported on Friday. Scout ranks him as the No. 67 prospect in the 2017 class, but 247sports is a little harder on the prosepect, ranking him at No. 152 in their composite score. ... The Zags will have to compete with both Oregon and UTEP for his services, and before you count UTEP out, just note that Doutrive spent a portion of his life in Texas."

https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2017/8/18/16169266/2017-recruiting-devante-doutrive-gonzaga-bulldogs

As always, the Slipper is a great source for all Zags fans.

doctorzag
08-18-2017, 10:34 AM
The Slipper has a short write-up regarding Doutrive:

"Devante Doutrive, a three-star, 6’5 shooting guard, is planning on setting up an official visit to Gonzaga within the next couple of weeks, Scout.com reported on Friday. Scout ranks him as the No. 67 prospect in the 2017 class, but 247sports is a little harder on the prosepect, ranking him at No. 152 in their composite score. ... The Zags will have to compete with both Oregon and UTEP for his services, and before you count UTEP out, just note that Doutrive spent a portion of his life in Texas."

https://www.slipperstillfits.com/2017/8/18/16169266/2017-recruiting-devante-doutrive-gonzaga-bulldogs

As always, the Slipper is a great source for all Zags fans.

I think the Slipper may have screwed up. I am pretty sure that Doutrive is a 2018 guy not 2017.

btzag
08-18-2017, 10:35 AM
Anyone still think the zags are content with only 10 scholarship players, 11 if you count JJ?

Zagdawg
08-18-2017, 10:36 AM
Top 70 2017 SG Devante Doutrive down to three, setting visits

http://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Top-70-2017-SG-Devante-Doutrive-down-to-three-setting-visits-106279139/

btzag
08-18-2017, 10:39 AM
I think the Slipper may have screwed up. I am pretty sure that Doutrive is a 2018 guy not 2017.

All the recruiting sites have him listed as 17.

Coach Crazy
08-18-2017, 10:39 AM
Top 70 2017 SG Devante Doutrive down to three, setting visits

http://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Top-70-2017-SG-Devante-Doutrive-down-to-three-setting-visits-106279139/

Very much the Byron Wesley mold.


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SLOZag
08-18-2017, 10:41 AM
I think the Slipper may have screwed up. I am pretty sure that Doutrive is a 2018 guy not 2017.

MaxPreps, 247Sports, and ESPN all have him 2017.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/devante-doutrive/dkw-4I1eEeW-8KA2nzwbTA/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm
www.maxpreps.com/athlete/devante-doutrive/dkw-4I1eEeW-8KA2nzwbTA/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/217695/devante-doutrive

Are there contrary sources out there?

bdmiller7
08-18-2017, 10:45 AM
He has a brother in the 18 class named Devonaire who is a top 100 recruit.

doctorzag
08-18-2017, 10:47 AM
MaxPreps, 247Sports, and ESPN all have him 2017.

http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/devante-doutrive/dkw-4I1eEeW-8KA2nzwbTA/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm
www.maxpreps.com/athlete/devante-doutrive/dkw-4I1eEeW-8KA2nzwbTA/gendersport/basketball-stats.htm
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/217695/devante-doutrive

Are there contrary sources out there?

Thats weird. I just checked Scout and Espn and they have him 2018. Go to espn 2018 top 100 and he is 60 and Hepa is 61

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 10:48 AM
Top 70 2017 SG Devante Doutrive down to three, setting visits

http://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Top-70-2017-SG-Devante-Doutrive-down-to-three-setting-visits-106279139/

And again, we're going after a guard, hmm.....

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 10:50 AM
Thats weird. I just checked Scout and Espn and they have him 2018. Go to espn 2018 top 100 and he is 60 and Hepa is 61

That's his brother

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/228891/devonaire-doutrive

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 10:52 AM
That's his brother

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/228891/devonaire-doutrive

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/databaseresults?firstname=&lastname=doutrive&collegeid=&class=2017&position=&state=

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 11:06 AM
How can a 3 star be ranked 67th? More like 267. Is the bottom of the barrel in sight? Geez....

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 11:17 AM
How can a 3 star be ranked 67th? More like 267. Is the bottom of the barrel in sight? Geez....

Scout has him as a 4 *:

http://www.scout.com/Player/Devante-Doutrive-94490

zag67
08-18-2017, 11:22 AM
If they are looking at him this late, then maybe it is to redshirt since they have 3 open scholarships.

Just an idea because I do not see them needing another guard except to protect against injuries.

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 11:23 AM
Good write up on him from that same scout link:

EVALUATION
Doutrive is an aggressive scorer who has made serious strides in his game over the last year. He's got good size and length and plays with a consistent toughness. While he can improve his handle and jumper, both are playable and have gotten better, to the point where at the high school level he has no issues consistently creating his own shot or getting to the basket. Doutrive is an improved passer who could be a secondary ball handler at the next level. He's also a plus defender due to his size, length and toughness.

cjm720
08-18-2017, 11:36 AM
Kid has some nice game, big upside. He'd be a real nice addition.

Zagdawg
08-18-2017, 11:37 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpo--4DJmaw

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 12:41 PM
Surprised this thread isn't getting more interest. We're in his top 3, his visiting and Scout has us as his favorite.

ZagZombie
08-18-2017, 12:59 PM
What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?

Zagdawg
08-18-2017, 12:59 PM
It would be good to add another player -- #3 SG on the West Coast -- not a bad addition.

Now if we could just get 1 more big guy we will be set.

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 01:08 PM
What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?

Red flags being ignored here. Thanks for posting. Looks like he just qualified. Chased some suitors away I suppose. UTEP? Please. And Oregon offers every warm body who even looks at Gonzaga. Dunno, but I would think Melson, Norvell and Kispert ahead of him on the depth chart.

SanDiegoZag
08-18-2017, 01:09 PM
What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?

Yeah, I believe he just recently squared up his academics to ensure his eligibility for this year. That may not have been the anticipated outcome in the minds of D-1 coaches.

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 01:10 PM
What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?

He's actually a four star on scout

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 01:10 PM
Red flags being ignored here. Thanks for posting.

What are the red flags?

Zagdawg
08-18-2017, 01:57 PM
I'm going to guess Jazz's flags are --"not enough stars" and "other programs interested are not Duke/North Carolina/Kentucky".

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 02:01 PM
I'm going to guess Jazz's flags are --"not enough stars" and "other programs interested are not Duke/North Carolina/Kentucky".

No, actually it was well said by ZagZombie:

What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?

cjm720
08-18-2017, 02:21 PM
No, actually it was well said by ZagZombie:

What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?

State champ, all-city player. Reports suggest he has improved significantly. The tape shows a lot. Big frame, nice looking player. Maybe he just believes in himself and wanted to hold out for a better offer. I think this would be a huge get...big combo guards are always good to have as they typically can play multiple positions.

thespywhozaggedme
08-18-2017, 02:35 PM
No, actually it was well said by ZagZombie:

What are some of the reasons a player is still looking for a school this late in the year? As a 3 star athlete he had to have been recruited by some schools throughout his senior year (Y/N?) Is it reclassification, academics/admission, or other circumstances?
Quick question, why do you keep referring to him as a three-star when I already told and showed you that Scout has him as a four star? Confirmation bias? We have three open scholarships what would it hurt to sign this kind and redshirt him for a year?

Reborn
08-18-2017, 02:39 PM
Did some checking. According to Max Preps, whom I like and followed for a few years when my grandkids played HS sports. He is 3rd highest rated player on the West Coast, made 3rd team All-Calliforniia, all LA City 1st team and first team Champions. Let's compare him to two players who are also from California: Taeshon Cherry who is 2nd team All-Cal and David Singleton who like our guy Doutrive is 3rd team. Gonzaga went after both of these guys pretty hard and our fans here on GUboards liked both of them. I'm high on Devante Doutrive. He averaged 22.3 pp per game and almost 9 rebunds. He also played on a pretty good team who is ranked 68th in the country. Averaging 22.3 and 9 rebounds on a team that's ranked 68th nationally is pretty impressive imo. Honestly Gonzaga has 3 scholarships left and they are going to need quality players who will be practicing against our first ten players.

I watched his videos. I saw something that I very seldom see on a video, GREAT DEFENSE and HUSTLE. His video has many great defensive plays but my favorite is when he strips a point guard and gets a fantastic dunk. Oh yeh! This kid can dunk! He throws it down, even off rebounds. We can use a player who loves defensive believe me and he's 6'.5". 9 rebounds a game, come on folks. Did you watch his video Jazz? We were drooling over Cherry and Singleton....this kid here is just as good. Few believes that a team is as good as the weakest link, if Doutrive is our weakest link than our team is going to be really good.

Doutrive's team, Birmingham, Ca, made it to the state tournament but lost in the first round. The lost 130-110. Amazing score. They finished ranked 12th in California. They played Matre De in a tournament mid season and lost by 7.

VaBeachZAG
08-18-2017, 02:51 PM
Did some checking. According to Max Preps, whom I like and followed for a few years when my grandkids played HS sports. He made 3rd team All-Calfifornia 3rd team and LA City 1st team. Let's compare him to two players who are also from California: Taeshon Cherry who is 2nd team All-Cal and David Singleton who like our guy Doutrive is 3rd team. Gonzaga went after both of these guys pretty hard and our fans here on GUboards liked both of those players. I'm high on Devante Doutrive. He averaged 22.3 pp per game and almost 9 rebunds. He also played on a pretty good team who is ranked 68th in the country. Averaging 22.3 and 9 rebounds on a team that's ranked 68th nationally is pretty impressive imo. Honestly Gonzaga has 3 scholarships left and they are going to need quality players who will be practicing against our first ten players.

If he is a team first guy and is willing to embrace the almost certainty of getting little to no (i.e., redshirt?) playing time his first year at GU, then he seems to well be worth a shot.

gonzagafan62
08-18-2017, 02:57 PM
Wow. I'm impressed. Kid seems like a zag to me. He doesn't give up on he ball, maybe takes a risk or two but I love the enthusiasm. He can shoot inside outside, and even mid range. Seems like a good fit with Wade if you ask me. Wish i saw some more on the ball defending but I realize you aren't going to get that on a mixtape. But I'm feeling really good about the kid. Brings a ton of energy and seems like he'll lay it on the court.

Count me in

gonzagafan62
08-18-2017, 02:59 PM
Quick question, why do you keep referring to him as a three-star when I already told and showed you that Scout has him as a four star? Confirmation bias? We have three open scholarships what would it hurt to sign this kind and redshirt him for a year?

Conflicting data spy. It's like saying Perkins was a 5 star in Kentucky newspapers but most had him as a 4 star. It's all good. 3 or 4 star doesn't matter. If we are lucky enough to land him the stars go out the window. He's gotta perform

Bogozags
08-18-2017, 03:23 PM
After watching him play, I think we are pretty darn fortunate to have this high caliber player (who wasn't actively recruited earlier by other big schools) available in August. I hope he choses GU and not because we need practice players but because he will compete and I am guessing IF he isn't a RS then he will find minutes.

It doesn't matter who "we" think is ahead of him on any depth charts, what matters is his performance on the court during practice and games.

One skill that is virtually impossible to teach (besides height, quickness and jumping ability) is defensive timing. I watched him make several steals and he has a knack to play defence! In addition, he also shows strong ability to get to the rim and knows when to stop and pull-up for a jumper.

It is easy to see why the staff is interested in this young man and as Jazz said, it could well be he just now qualified to play this season and again, that is a blessing from which we could well benefit.

All you Spokane people, need to take him to get TACOS, which seems to be the "trick" to get commitments!

MDABE80
08-18-2017, 03:32 PM
Kids has a tough background and yet he's developed sizable skills. Must has some major fortitude to dig out of his upbringing and has a will to achieve. This is the type of kid who needs to be at Gonzaga. He got skills and is developing quickly it seems. I'd love to see him here as a wing or just a fine all around player.
Sometimes I think Dana's doing what they used to do at Nebraska in the glory years. Devany would sign players and sit them so the other teams wouldn't have them. I'd love to see this young kid here. See where it goes. Long, quick, shoots well and is motivated. This is not a chancy type signee. Great opportunity for us and him.

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 03:49 PM
Kids has a tough background and yet he's developed sizable skills. Must has some major fortitude to dig out of his upbringing and has a will to achieve. This is the type of kid who needs to be at Gonzaga. He got skills and is developing quickly it seems. I'd love to see him here as a wing or just a fine all around player.
Sometimes I think Dana's doing what they used to do at Nebraska in the glory years. Devany would sign players and sit them so the other teams wouldn't have them. I'd love to see this young kid here. See where it goes. Long, quick, shoots well and is motivated. This is not a chancy type signee. Great opportunity for us and him.

Back then Devaney, Bear and their ilk had no restraints as to schollies. Altman seemingly should have but much like our friends at SDSU he proffers schollies like freebie cigs in basic training back in the day at Ft Lewis and elsewhere.

bdmiller7
08-18-2017, 04:10 PM
If we sign him it can't hurt in the recruiting of his brother either.

Markburn1
08-18-2017, 04:11 PM
I'm going to guess Jazz's flags are --"not enough stars" and "other programs interested are not Duke/North Carolina/Kentucky".

To be sure, talent can't be hidden anymore. Pretty rare to find a hidden gem nowadays. If he is as talented as he seems to be, there are many major programs that wouldn't balk at academic questions. I think that is why some may have questions as to why the big boys haven't shown up. Who knows, maybe this will be a needle in a haystack type find for the Zags.

bdmiller7
08-18-2017, 04:26 PM
The different scouting sites showed at least some level of interest from Arizona, ASU, UW, WSU, and Texas.

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 04:28 PM
To be sure, talent can't be hidden anymore. Pretty rare to find a hidden gem nowadays. If he is as talented as he seems to be, there are many major programs that wouldn't balk at academic questions. I think that is why some may have questions as to why the big boys haven't shown up. Who knows, maybe this will be a needle in a haystack type find for the Zags.

Good thing Fisher is gone from SDSU. Though his extralegal apparatchiks may still be there.

Markburn1
08-18-2017, 04:41 PM
Good thing Fisher is gone from SDSU. Though his extralegal apparatchiks may still be there.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but there aren't large numbers of geniuses enrolling in San Diego State even in the general student population.

Reborn
08-18-2017, 04:47 PM
If he is a team first guy and is willing to embrace the almost certainty of getting little to no (i.e., redshirt?) playing time his first year at GU, then he seems to well be worth a shot.

This will be a big key. As we've seen before Gonzaga has not been signing recruits this summer/Spring. Most likely because Few was not able to offer them the kind of playing time top notch HS players are looking for. SDSU may be able to offer him that. I doubt Oregon can offer that. The other factor that I think does not go in our favor is that he's from LA. Outside of Chicago I don't think that Big City basketball players flock to Gonzaga.

However, I do think there are positives also. The first is that Melson is a senior; so I am thinking there may be a place for Doutrive. Outside of Norvell and Melson there are no other true guards (Kispert is a wing player but has the body of a 4) so maybe there are some minutes subbing in for Norvell. The question I ask for Doutrive is "do you want to be on a team that's heading for the Final Four again. I love his athleticism. And his defense, overall intensity and will to win are definitely qualities of all Zags. It would also be great to have two Zags from big cities like Chicago and LA. If he does want to be a Zag deep down inside than I think he will be. Let's see what happens. Doutrive, imo is much better than Onwuaser. I'm excited for the last couple of weeks of summer to see what happens here with him.

maynard g krebs
08-18-2017, 04:50 PM
Back then Devaney, Bear and their ilk had no restraints as to schollies. Altman seemingly should have but much like our friends at SDSU he proffers schollies like freebie cigs in basic training

That's pretty nonsensical Jazz. Seemingly should have? The math isn't that hard to follow here.

He got the Ducks where they are with mostly low 4 star guys who he evaluated and developed into NBA players like Brooks and Bell. He's dealing with the same 13 scholarships as everyone else. The whole rotation except Pritchard either graduateed (2) turned pro and made NBA rosters (3) or transferred due to lack of p.t. or being recruited over(2). There are 5 returnees including the 2 redshirts from last yr. They signed 4 freshmen and the 2 grad tr's, and currently have 2 open scholarships.

As to the other comment re them offering every warm body recruited by the Zags, I don't think they offered a single player on the Zag roster, or at least none were ever mentioned by Duck fans except maybe Portland's Melson in passing. There are quite a few players that both offered and didn't get, rendering those guys irrelevant to the discussion. But I can only think of the 2 grad tr's (Brown, McIntire) that both GU and the Ducks pursued this off season. Nobody else except maybe Pritchard on the current Duck roster was ever mentioned in recruiting talk here (possibly Keith Smith but not seriously).

You don't turn a doormat program into an elite 8/final 4 team back to back by handing out schollies like free cigarettes. It's fine to hate a rival program, but be factual about it.

hockeyzag
08-18-2017, 04:57 PM
That's pretty nonsensical Jazz. Seemingly should have? The math isn't that hard to follow here.

He got the Ducks where they are with mostly low 4 star guys who he evaluated and developed into NBA players like Brooks and Bell. He's dealing with the same 13 scholarships as everyone else. The whole rotation except Pritchard either graduateed (2) turned pro and made NBA rosters (3) or transferred due to lack of p.t. or being recruited over(2). There are 5 returnees including the 2 redshirts from last yr. They signed 4 freshmen and the 2 grad tr's, and currently have 2 open scholarships.

As to the other comment re them offering every warm body recruited by the Zags, I don't think they offered a single player on the Zag roster, or at least none were ever mentioned by Duck fans except maybe Portland's Melson in passing. There are quite a few players that both offered and didn't get, rendering those guys irrelevant to the discussion. And I can only think of the 2 grad tr's (Brown, McIntire) that both GU and the Ducks pursued this off season. Nobody else except maybe Pritchard on the current Duck roster was ever mentioned in recruiting talk here (possibly Keith Smith but not seriously).

You don't turn a doormat program into an elite 8/final 4 team back to back by handing out schollies like free cigarettes. It's fine to hate a rival program, but be factual about it.

:clap::clap::clap:

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 05:05 PM
That's pretty nonsensical Jazz. Seemingly should have? The math isn't that hard to follow here.

He got the Ducks where they are with mostly low 4 star guys who he evaluated and developed into NBA players like Brooks and Bell. He's dealing with the same 13 scholarships as everyone else. The whole rotation except Pritchard either graduateed (2) turned pro and made NBA rosters (3) or transferred due to lack of p.t. or being recruited over(2). There are 5 returnees including the 2 redshirts from last yr. They signed 4 freshmen and the 2 grad tr's, and currently have 2 open scholarships.

As to the other comment re them offering every warm body recruited by the Zags, I don't think they offered a single player on the Zag roster, or at least none were ever mentioned by Duck fans except maybe Portland's Melson in passing. There are quite a few players that both offered and didn't get, rendering those guys irrelevant to the discussion. And I can only think of the 2 grad tr's (Brown, McIntire) that both GU and the Ducks pursued this off season. Nobody else except maybe Pritchard on the current Duck roster was ever mentioned in recruiting talk here (possibly Keith Smith but not seriously).

You don't turn a doormat program into an elite 8/final 4 team back to back by handing out schollies like free cigarettes. It's fine to hate a rival program, but be factual about it.

Chill out, May. I was obviously exagerrating for effect. I don't possess, nor do I wish to possess, the granular knowledge of Nike University's basketball timeline to challenge your comments and so I accept them without reservations. Moreover, I don't hate your school; my hatred is reserved to the Crookaparis of the CBB world. And your dreadful basketball floor.

hockeyzag
08-18-2017, 05:06 PM
Did anyone else notice from the Alaska youtube highlight video (when he was playing for West High School) his technique on jump shots? He does something that you almost never see in today's modern game. After he takes his shot, he steps forward, and makes himself part of the play in case his shot results in a rebound. 99.9% of players these days seem to either stay in place or fade back after they take a jump shot. Personally I loved it. Often the player defending him would be watching the ball fly through the air and completely lose Devante because he was stepping up into the play. He's making himself available for 2nd chance points.

What do the more experienced basketball technique minds around here think of this?

maynard g krebs
08-18-2017, 05:09 PM
Chill out, May. I was obviously exagerrating for effect. I don't possess, nor do I wish to possess, the granular knowledge of Nike University's basketball timeline to challenge your comments and so I accept them without reservations. Moreover, I don't hate your school; my hatred is reserved to the Crookaparis of the CBB world.

Not my school, but my town for a number of years. My older brother is a UO grad, however, and I played pickup ball for many years w/ a bunch of Ducks at the Eugene Y.

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 05:21 PM
Not my school, but my town for a number of years. My older brother is a UO grad, however, and I played pickup ball for many years w/ a bunch of Ducks at the Eugene Y.

Were you allowed to wear low cut, black Cons?

Reborn
08-18-2017, 06:07 PM
Did anyone else notice from the Alaska youtube highlight video (when he was playing for West High School) his technique on jump shots? He does something that you almost never see in today's modern game. After he takes his shot, he steps forward, and makes himself part of the play in case his shot results in a rebound. 99.9% of players these days seem to either stay in place or fade back after they take a jump shot. Personally I loved it. Often the player defending him would be watching the ball fly through the air and completely lose Devante because he was stepping up into the play. He's making himself available for 2nd chance points.

What do the more experienced basketball technique minds around here think of this?

Yes I also noticed that. You are right. Few players do that any more.


On another note 10 posts on this page (and thread) and only two have anything to do with the recruit we've been talking about. A good example of some fans who love to derail threads and talk about other (and in my opinion pure babble about other schools or other whatevers and have NOTHING TO DO WITH GONZAGA BASKETBALL). i understand I've talked about this several times this summer and I will continue to do so because you and me I could care less about Oregon basketball. But if you like talking about them Ducks there is a place on GU board to do that but yu know that. Problem is hardly anyone posts there.

Markburn1
08-18-2017, 06:10 PM
Were you allowed to wear low cut, black Cons?

Blue suede with the iconic star.

jazzdelmar
08-18-2017, 06:13 PM
Blue suede with the iconic star.

Betcha Reborn wore those. The star was cut out as I recall.

hockeyzag
08-18-2017, 06:33 PM
Yes I also noticed that. You are right. Few players do that any more.


On another note 10 posts on this page (and thread) and only two have anything to do with the recruit we've been talking about. A good example of some fans who love to derail threads and talk about other (and in my opinion pure babble about other schools or other whatevers and have NOTHING TO DO WITH GONZAGA BASKETBALL). i understand I've talked about this several times this summer and I will continue to do so because you and me I could care less about Oregon basketball. But if you like talking about them Ducks there is a place on GU board to do that but yu know that. Problem is hardly anyone posts there.

I agree Reborn, super annoying.

sittingon50
08-18-2017, 07:41 PM
Work got in the way today so am late to the party.

Might this be a Jeremy Pargo scenario? Some schools scared off by academics & the Zags do their due diligence?

If so, take him in a heartbeat.

maynard g krebs
08-18-2017, 08:05 PM
Were you allowed to wear low cut, black Cons?

Blue suede Adidas.

Don't wear Nikes, and they weren't involved back when UO was a bottom feeder, which was most of my days there.

maynard g krebs
08-18-2017, 08:12 PM
Yes I also noticed that. You are right. Few players do that any more.


On another note 10 posts on this page (and thread) and only two have anything to do with the recruit we've been talking about. A good example of some fans who love to derail threads and talk about other (and in my opinion pure babble about other schools or other whatevers and have NOTHING TO DO WITH GONZAGA BASKETBALL). i understand I've talked about this several times this summer and I will continue to do so because you and me I could care less about Oregon basketball. But if you like talking about them Ducks there is a place on GU board to do that but yu know that. Problem is hardly anyone posts there.

This, or any, board is like a big conversation. Many conversations go off on tangents, and it's gonna happen on a message board. A competent writer will tell you what s/he's talking about in the opening sentence. At that point, you can simply move on to the next post if you choose. It's what I do, for example, when Tex starts talking about his grandson's T-ball stats or his school's 47 JV football teams. Not that difficult.

TexasZagFan
08-18-2017, 08:18 PM
This, or any, board is like a big conversation. Many conversations go off on tangents, and it's gonna happen on a message board. A competent writer will tell you what s/he's talking about in the opening sentence. At that point, you can simply move on to the next post if you choose. It's what I do, for example, when Tex starts talking about his grandson's T-ball stats or his school's 47 JV football teams. Not that difficult.

It must be more difficult than you let on, since my grandson hasn't played T-ball for 3 years. lol

Markburn1
08-18-2017, 08:41 PM
This, or any, board is like a big conversation. Many conversations go off on tangents, and it's gonna happen on a message board. A competent writer will tell you what s/he's talking about in the opening sentence. At that point, you can simply move on to the next post if you choose. It's what I do, for example, when Tex starts talking about his grandson's T-ball stats or his school's 47 JV football teams. Not that difficult.

I've found that a more comfortable pair of underwear that doesn't bunch up so often works as well.

cggonzaga
08-18-2017, 10:54 PM
Kid looks like a potential shutdown defender and his offensive game doesn't look bad either. Most years he would probably play as a freshman here but more than likely he'd be a terrific redshirt candidate ready to contribute the following year. Would love to land him.

Why doesn't he have his own thread? You gotta do something about this spy!

Bogozags
08-19-2017, 04:06 AM
Did anyone else notice from the Alaska youtube highlight video (when he was playing for West High School) his technique on jump shots? He does something that you almost never see in today's modern game. After he takes his shot, he steps forward, and makes himself part of the play in case his shot results in a rebound. 99.9% of players these days seem to either stay in place or fade back after they take a jump shot. Personally I loved it. Often the player defending him would be watching the ball fly through the air and completely lose Devante because he was stepping up into the play. He's making himself available for 2nd chance points.

What do the more experienced basketball technique minds around here think of this?


Yes, he is in position to follow his shot, which may well attribute to his ORs. I really like this kid and hope he chooses us. He displays lots of skills we saw in Williams and Singleton except he is 6'4". He displays a knack for getting to the rim and has pretty decent handles too! Hopefully it rains like he'll when he visits OU and is really sunny when he gets to Spokane. If you like heat, then El Paso is the place to be...only Phoenix and Death Valley might be hotter...lol

jazzdelmar
08-19-2017, 04:21 AM
This, or any, board is like a big conversation. Many conversations go off on tangents, and it's gonna happen on a message board. A competent writer will tell you what s/he's talking about in the opening sentence. At that point, you can simply move on to the next post if you choose. It's what I do, for example, when Tex starts talking about his grandson's T-ball stats or his school's 47 JV football teams. Not that difficult.

It's called stream of consciousness. Are you familiar with the work of Joyce, Faulkner, Poe, et al?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_consciousness_(narrative_mode)

https://literarydevices.net/stream-of-consciousness/

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/jan/20/1000-novels-classic-novels

Reborn
08-19-2017, 06:58 AM
I noticed that Few did offer Doutrive which is kind of amazing to me, but it does make me happy. Obviously it tells me that Few believes he is Zag material. I see him that way too. Right now I'm glad that Singleton signed with Oregon because I doubt that there is room for both Singleton and Doutrive. I also believe it's a significant sign that Oregon has offered Doutrive because I also am one who thinks that Oregon has a top notch basketball program.

If Doutrive signs with GU I don't believe it necessarily means that he'll redshirt or just be given clean up time minutes. I think Few will throw all the new players into a ring and let them fight it out. That includes Wade, Norville, Kispert, Ayayi, and Doutrive. All of these guys are freshmen and Norvell is a red-shirt freshman. I have often heard that Few does not promise recruits minutes, but tells them they will have to fight it out with others in order to get significant playing minutes. And in the end Perkins and Melson may also be thrown into this mix. I'm going to say that there are 7 guards for 5 spots. That means that two of these guys will maybe red-shirt, and that two of them will come in off the bench. I think if Doutrive can win battles on the court that he can be one of those five guards that play. I think this kid is pretty tough and his soul beats to a thunderous drumbeat. Mr Doutrive has a lot going against him because he's coming in so late, but I just have a feeling that he's going to like the challenge. I doubt that he will be intimidated. After all, he's from LA.

Markburn1
08-19-2017, 07:18 AM
Never understood the argument that "he must be tough because he's from...."

Larry Bird was from French Lick.

Karl Malone was from Summerfield, Louisiana

Reborn
08-19-2017, 07:40 AM
Never understood the argument that "he must be tough because he's from...."

Larry Bird was from French Lick.

Karl Malone was from Summerfield, Louisiana

I don't think my statement said that the only kids who are tough are all from Chicago and LA. Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. If you want to understand what I mean take a trip top either of those cities and go into the poorest areas, the toughest areas and then you'll understand what you don't understand. A simpler way to understand is to read a couple of books that will describe what it's like.

Bogozags
08-19-2017, 07:41 AM
I noticed that Few did offer Doutrive which is kind of amazing to me, but it does make me happy. Obviously it tells me that Few believes he is Zag material. I see him that way too. Right now I'm glad that Singleton signed with Oregon because I doubt that there is room for both Singleton and Doutrive. I also believe it's a significant sign that Oregon has offered Doutrive because I also am one who thinks that Oregon has a top notch basketball program.

If Doutrive signs with GU I don't believe it necessarily means that he'll redshirt or just be given clean up time minutes. I think Few will throw all the new players into a ring and let them fight it out. That includes Wade, Norville, Kispert, Ayayi, and Doutrive. All of these guys are freshmen and Norvell is a red-shirt freshman. I have often heard that Few does not promise recruits minutes, but tells them they will have to fight it out with others in order to get significant playing minutes. And in the end Perkins and Melson may also be thrown into this mix. I'm going to say that there are 7 guards for 5 spots. That means that two of these guys will maybe red-shirt, and that two of them will come in off the bench. I think if Doutrive can win battles on the court that he can be one of those five guards that play. I think this kid is pretty tough and his soul beats to a thunderous drumbeat. Mr Doutrive has a lot going against him because he's coming in so late, but I just have a feeling that he's going to like the challenge. I doubt that he will be intimidated. After all, he's from LA.

RB,

I agree with much of your post; however, I don't think he is coming in late...if he signs then we have four kids for this class and two are there and then Ayayi and Doutrive...Wade and Kispert are not SG's at this point in time...there are IMO three players after one starting spot and that is the SG position. I believe Doutrive, if he choses GU, will have to compete with Melson and Zach and then there are three guards competing for the PG position Wade, Perkins and Ayayi. That being said the SG's could all be plugged into the SF position if need be so we would have tremendous depth and from what I saw in the videos, Doutrive is going to be pretty competitive...his defence and ability to learn the Few system will be a determining factor...IMO

Markburn1
08-19-2017, 07:52 AM
I don't think my statement said that the only kids who are tough are all from Chicago and LA. Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. If you want to understand what I mean take a trip top either of those cities and go into the poorest areas, the toughest areas and then you'll understand what you don't understand. A simpler way to understand is to read a couple of books that will describe what it's like.

You don't know where I grew up. I'll leave it at that.

vandalzag
08-19-2017, 08:18 AM
I don't think my statement said that the only kids who are tough are all from Chicago and LA. Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. If you want to understand what I mean take a trip top either of those cities and go into the poorest areas, the toughest areas and then you'll understand what you don't understand. A simpler way to understand is to read a couple of books that will describe what it's like.

Please try and stay on topic, so as not to derail the thread.

jazzdelmar
08-19-2017, 08:37 AM
I don't think my statement said that the only kids who are tough are all from Chicago and LA. Quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. If you want to understand what I mean take a trip top either of those cities and go into the poorest areas, the toughest areas and then you'll understand what you don't understand. A simpler way to understand is to read a couple of books that will describe what it's like.

I grew up in Brooklyn. Reborn is right in a general sense. But Angel Nunez was from Brooklyn, a lot of good that did him.

whatazag
08-19-2017, 09:56 AM
Please try and stay on topic, so as not to derail the thread.

Gotta admit I laughed pretty hard at this (no offense reborn).

Bring back rep!

Reborn
08-19-2017, 11:21 AM
I grew up in Brooklyn. Reborn is right in a general sense. But Angel Nunez was from Brooklyn, a lot of good that did him.

If I remember correctly Nunez had a head injury before he came to Gonzaga, and that that injury did have a significant impact on Nunez's game (not wanting to drive to the basket). Or mix it up inside.

cggonzaga
08-19-2017, 11:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0q7UIcVeEc

23 in white I believe. I think his brother is number 5.

Reborn
08-19-2017, 11:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0q7UIcVeEc

23 in white I believe. I think his brother is number 5.

Yeah you're right. He had a real nice steal there near the end of the game, and rather then go in and slam dunk it like he can; he passed it off to #5, which you say is his brother. That is unselfish basketball right there.

jazzdelmar
08-19-2017, 12:12 PM
If I remember correctly Nunez had a head injury before he came to Gonzaga, and that that injury did have a significant impact on Nunez's game (not wanting to drive to the basket). Or mix it up inside.

So, your blaming the head injury on Brooklyn? JK

Coach Crazy
08-19-2017, 06:24 PM
Not incredibly fast or quick and doesn't always finish around the rim with a polished move. Seems like he's pretty much a mid range and in type scorer.

But he uses his length well on defense. Can be relentless, very good hand-eye coordination, and can get up. Might be worth a redshirt. Not a 4* at this point, and not the 3rd best player in the state.


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jazzdelmar
08-19-2017, 06:25 PM
A Hepa replacement it seems.

cggonzaga
08-19-2017, 06:32 PM
Not incredibly fast or quick and doesn't always finish around the rim with a polished move. Seems like he's pretty much a mid range and in type scorer.

But he uses his length well on defense. Can be relentless, very good hand-eye coordination, and can get up. Might be worth a redshirt. Not a 4* at this point, and not the 3rd best player in the state.


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He looks better than singleton to me.

btzag
08-19-2017, 06:34 PM
A Hepa replacement it seems.

Not unless we are going to a 5 guard offense. This kid is guard depth Hepa is a critical big.

thespywhozaggedme
08-19-2017, 06:38 PM
Not incredibly fast or quick and doesn't always finish around the rim with a polished move. Seems like he's pretty much a mid range and in type scorer.

But he uses his length well on defense. Can be relentless, very good hand-eye coordination, and can get up. Might be worth a redshirt. Not a 4* at this point, and not the 3rd best player in the state, in my opinion.


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Fixed it for accuracy

Reborn
08-19-2017, 07:17 PM
Not incredibly fast or quick and doesn't always finish around the rim with a polished move. Seems like he's pretty much a mid range and in type scorer.

But he uses his length well on defense. Can be relentless, very good hand-eye coordination, and can get up. Might be worth a redshirt. Not a 4* at this point, and not the 3rd best player in the state.


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I wonder if we watched the same video. The one that I watched he made a fair number of outside shots, including a game winner like the one Mathews made against West Virginia. But after watching 3 or 4 videos I saw a player with a lot of ways to score. Mid-range, fall aways, falling down layups, layups off the glass, dunkin derby; 3 points from long range; mid range jumpers from every angle. Making steals and slam dunkin 'em. This is no red shirt, imo.

Bogozags
08-20-2017, 09:17 AM
I wonder if we watched the same video. The one that I watched he made a fair number of outside shots, including a game winner like the one Mathews made against West Virginia. But after watching 3 or 4 videos I saw a player with a lot of ways to score. Mid-range, fall aways, falling down layups, layups off the glass, dunkin derby; 3 points from long range; mid range jumpers from every angle. Making steals and slam dunkin 'em. This is no red shirt, imo.

+1

jazzdelmar
08-20-2017, 09:32 AM
Not unless we are going to a 5 guard offense. This kid is guard depth Hepa is a critical big.

I mean w respect to a schollie. We seem to have whiffed on Hepa.

gonzagafan62
08-20-2017, 09:32 AM
I wonder if we watched the same video. The one that I watched he made a fair number of outside shots, including a game winner like the one Mathews made against West Virginia. But after watching 3 or 4 videos I saw a player with a lot of ways to score. Mid-range, fall aways, falling down layups, layups off the glass, dunkin derby; 3 points from long range; mid range jumpers from every angle. Making steals and slam dunkin 'em. This is no red shirt, imo.

Agree born. Like I said in my post on the previous page this is a guy we need on our team. Doesn't give up on any play, typical zag. Mid range three, can shoot inside outside mid range. Nothing this kid can't do

Reborn
08-20-2017, 09:39 AM
Agree born. Like I said in my post on the previous page this is a guy we need on our team. Doesn't give up on any play, typical zag. Mid range three, can shoot inside outside mid range. Nothing this kid can't do

I also think he's pretty fast and very quick. time after time I saw him jetting past defenders on his way to the hoop for a layup.

gonzagafan62
08-20-2017, 09:56 AM
I also think he's pretty fast and very quick. time after time I saw him jetting past defenders on his way to the hoop for a layup.

I'd agree with that also.

btzag
08-20-2017, 10:11 AM
I mean w respect to a schollie. We seem to have whiffed on Hepa.

I would bet a significant amount of money that Few is extremely uncomfortable with having only 10 scholly athletes right now for 2017 despite this boards opinion that we are loaded with talent. All about depth and 10 is not enough. It gets even worse next year with JW3, Melson and any early entries gone... my point is we've got scholarships to give away at this point and we could use one on this kid, Hepa AND multiple others.

gonzagafan62
08-20-2017, 11:25 AM
I would bet a significant amount of money that Few is extremely uncomfortable with having only 10 scholly athletes right now for 2017 despite this boards opinion that we are loaded with talent. All about depth and 10 is not enough. It gets even worse next year with JW3, Melson and any early entries gone... my point is we've got scholarships to give away at this point and we could use one on this kid, Hepa AND multiple others.

Yup!!!!!!!

++++++++++10000000000000

People don't get it here. Yes we have talent.

Yes, the cupboard isn't bare. However we need someone to compete with the schollie athletes in practice and push them to be better by giving their all in practice.

btzag
08-20-2017, 11:49 AM
Yup!!!!!!!

++++++++++10000000000000

People don't get it here. Yes we have talent.

Yes, the cupboard isn't bare. However we need someone to compete with the schollie athletes in practice and push them to be better by giving their all in practice.

Yes well said. And it's normal, coach K and Cal and Miller and Self all want elite talent AND 13 scholarship players.

GonzagasaurusFlex
08-20-2017, 11:52 AM
I mean w respect to a schollie. We seem to have whiffed on Hepa.

Kamaka Hepa is class of 2018 who has not committed to any college yet. How have Zags "whiffed" on him?