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CDC84
03-30-2017, 08:02 AM
Of course they have to take the shot at the worst possible seat location.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8LVNkiVoAAPtO0.jpg:large

Reborn
03-30-2017, 08:05 AM
Beautiful!

katman50
03-30-2017, 08:07 AM
Pretty impressive and I hope not intimidating! Just think, after all these years, our Zags will be playing in the FF4 on that court. Pretty neat!

CDC84
03-30-2017, 08:25 AM
I find it interesting that there is so much space between the students behind the baskets and the reporters behind the baskets. How in the heck do the reporters see any of the game action when the students are jumping up and down like crazy. I mean, it's a flat surface. No incline to see over them.

former1dog
03-30-2017, 08:33 AM
I find it interesting that there is so much space between the students behind the baskets and the reporters behind the baskets. How in the heck do the reporters see any of the game action when the students are jumping up and down like crazy. I mean, it's a flat surface. No incline to see over them.

The reporters area does appear to be raised up. There are flights of stairs from the floor above the set of seats up to the areas with tables/desks. You see the stairs, one set at the bottom of the photo slightly right of center and the other one on the left side.

former1dog
03-30-2017, 08:34 AM
The court is also one of those raised courts. I don't like those as it seems its just begging for a player to make a hustle play and get injured.

raise the zag
03-30-2017, 08:42 AM
Of course they have to take the shot at the worst possible seat location.

Pretty certain those are my seats.

gbnyba17
03-30-2017, 08:49 AM
I know at the end of the day attending the final 4 is going to be an amazing experience, but this picture validates my decision not to attend. This is where my seats would have been.. Shame on the NCAA for putting the final 4 in football arenas.

Zagger
03-30-2017, 08:49 AM
Wow. In that place I'm guessing the closer knit the team the better the performance - thinking that it'd be easier to intimidate an individual more than a group. The noise level could make it hard to communicate. I think it seats 70K ..... that's a lot of vocal chords, stomping feet, etc.

CDC84
03-30-2017, 08:55 AM
The court is also one of those raised courts. I don't like those as it seems its just begging for a player to make a hustle play and get injured.

I know, but amazingly enough, Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota has a similar set up where the court is raised even closer to the sidelines and baselines, and I haven't heard of any any major injuries happening, and that place has been in existence for ages. If there had been any major injuries, they would've changed things. But yes, it does look like a dangerous set up, and you do wonder if Louisville's Kevin Ware broke his leg open because he was worried that his momentum might cause him to fall off the floor.

The thing that I dislike much more about the raised court is that the head coach has to sit on a stool and stand on the platform. It makes communicating with his assistants and players very difficult.

What I do like about it is that it has made the TV viewing experience much better with the students behind the baskets and the whole thing just appearing to be more enclosed. It doesn't "feel" like a dome as much as the old setup. Again, from a TV perspective.

tinfoilzag
03-30-2017, 08:55 AM
I know at the end of the day attending the final 4 is going to be an amazing experience, but this picture validates my decision not to attend. This is where my seats would have been.. Shame on the NCAA for putting the final 4 in football arenas.

At least $15 mil in ticket sales. Can't get that without a football stadium.

TexasZagFan
03-30-2017, 09:00 AM
Pretty certain those are my seats.

By necessity, my seat will be the sofa in my den, about 8-10 feet from our 65" TV. Watching last week's games at retail establishments put a dent in my pocketbook, though it was worth every dime. lol

I also watched the Northwestern game at home, so this isn't unprecedented. I won't have to worry about keeping my voice down, either.

CDC84
03-30-2017, 09:11 AM
know at the end of the day attending the final 4 is going to be an amazing experience, but this picture validates my decision not to attend. This is where my seats would have been.. Shame on the NCAA for putting the final 4 in football arenas.

They have no choice. You and far too many people would never be able to attend the event if they didn't hold it in stadiums. Back in 1996, which was the last time that a final four was held in an arena, there was no stubhub.com. If these things were held in arenas, 70% of all people buying tickets would put them up for sale on stub to make money. Tens of millions would be made by people who are just in it for business and who don't give a damn about basketball. That's wrong. Not as many students would be able to go as well. Taking away tickets from students is also wrong.They have done every possible study on this thing. For every person who complains about their nosebleed seat, there are thousands of people willing to take that seat and will go to the final 4 every year until they are able to get a better one. There are people who go to this thing every year who sit in the nosebleads and have the time of their lives.

It's not the NCAA's fault. It's the fault of stub and people who view it as a private business opportunity.

former1dog
03-30-2017, 09:12 AM
Can someone confirm this? I thought the NCAA was going to discontinue basketball tournaments in domed arenas?

CDC84
03-30-2017, 09:16 AM
What they decided to do was discontinue the use of domes for subregionals and regionals. They simply do not get anough attendance at these games to justify using a building that large.

There was talk about possibly bringing the final four back to some arenas in big cities that don't have domes, but the NCAA tourney determined it to be impossible on many levels.

3zagda
03-30-2017, 09:16 AM
Thanks for posting the pics CDC. Wonder if the dome will effect our 3 pt shooting?
Did the dome effect our 3 pt shooting against Duke a few years ago?

DixieZag
03-30-2017, 09:27 AM
I am hoping that the Dome takes a poor 3pt shooting team (South Carolina) and makes it a miserable 3pt shooting team, taking away one of the ways they really could make life really difficult for us, bring us way out on the perimeter.

We rely far more on our big men anyway, so if it impacts both teams, I like having an overall advantage.

Also, remember that FTs might be impacted even more. We have not been a good FT shooting team in the tourney.

TexasZagFan
03-30-2017, 09:28 AM
Thanks for posting the pics CDC. Wonder if the dome will effect our 3 pt shooting?
Did the dome effect our 3 pt shooting against Duke a few years ago?

Duke's defense had more of an effect on our 3 pt shooting than the venue. Pangos was limited by the size and athleticism of Duke's guards.

BTW, ticket prices fell a bit below face value after the Zags beat UCLA. I paid about $10 less for tickets about 30 rows back from the court (FV was $125 each). It seemed like the wind went out of our sails when Kyle missed the chippie with 2-3 minutes to go. One of the best games I've ever attended.

former1dog
03-30-2017, 09:33 AM
Thanks for posting the pics CDC. Wonder if the dome will effect our 3 pt shooting?
Did the dome effect our 3 pt shooting against Duke a few years ago?

16% 3 point shooting in the win vs UCLA

42% 3 point shooting in the loss vs Duke

Gonzaga had a good 3 point shooting team that year, so I'm not sure if the UCLA thing was nerves or getting used to the dome sight lines. I kind of think the latter because I don't recall any of the teams shooting well in that sweet 16 round in Houston.

3zagda
03-30-2017, 09:39 AM
IIRC KP won the 3 pt contest that weekend in Houston as well?

RenoZag
03-30-2017, 09:40 AM
Apparently the school that wins the NC is given a crack at buying the court:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/duke-to-buy-court-from-ncaa-title-game-to-sell-sections-to-fans

The Louisville fund raiser was a great idea. . .

ESPN Photo Feature on the floor: http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/18985386/from-tree-tipoff

I'm in manufacturing so I confess to geeking out over this kind of stuff. . .

former1dog
03-30-2017, 09:49 AM
IIRC KP won the 3 pt contest that weekend in Houston as well?

I think the 3 point contest was held in the city with the Final 4, but not on the same court. It was a much smaller venue.

gbnyba17
03-30-2017, 10:08 AM
They have no choice. You and far too many people would never be able to attend the event if they didn't hold it in stadiums. Back in 1996, which was the last time that a final four was held in an arena, there was no stubhub.com. If these things were held in arenas, 70% of all people buying tickets would put them up for sale on stub to make money. Tens of millions would be made by people who are just in it for business and who don't give a damn about basketball. That's wrong. Not as many students would be able to go as well. Taking away tickets from students is also wrong.They have done every possible study on this thing. For every person who complains about their nosebleed seat, there are thousands of people willing to take that seat and will go to the final 4 every year until they are able to get a better one. There are people who go to this thing every year who sit in the nosebleads and have the time of their lives.

It's not the NCAA's fault. It's the fault of stub and people who view it as a private business opportunity.

Thank you CDC84. This is helpful and actually makes sense. I guess I will just have to get over it and go one year.

Zagceo
03-30-2017, 10:15 AM
Apparently the school that wins the NC is given a crack at buying the court:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/duke-to-buy-court-from-ncaa-title-game-to-sell-sections-to-fans

The Louisville fund raiser was a great idea. . .

Cool info thx Reno

Hoopaholic
03-30-2017, 10:17 AM
Apparently the school that wins the NC is given a crack at buying the court:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-08/duke-to-buy-court-from-ncaa-title-game-to-sell-sections-to-fans

The Louisville fund raiser was a great idea. . .
Wouldn't that look great in the warehouse

CDC84
03-30-2017, 10:41 AM
Thanks for posting the pics CDC. Wonder if the dome will effect our 3 pt shooting?
Did the dome effect our 3 pt shooting against Duke a few years ago?

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...is-new-Orleans

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-bas...-at-final-four

It's actually a myth that shooting is worse in domes. TSN has done research on this year after year, and yet the myth continues. These are 2 articles I could pull up, but more have been published. The exception for many years was NRG Stadium in Houston, which seemed to have something about it that drew out the worst in shooters. They must have made adjustments because Villanova shot 58.3% in the final last year (57.1% from three) and UNC shot 42.9% from two (but 64.7% from three). In the semis, UNC shot 53.8% against Syracuse (23.5% from three) while 'Cuse shot 40.9% from the field (32% from three). Nova shot 71.4% from the floor (61.1% from 3), while OU shot 31.7% from the floor and 22.2% from three. OU just flat out sucked....it wouldn't have mattered if the two teams had played in a high school gym.

Those numbers are the kinds of numbers you would see if the game had been held in Key Arena.

If you go back in time to the point where domes were regularly used in the NCAA tourney, there is very little difference between arena shooting and dome shooting. People just need something to use to explain their team's bad performance. Again, the only exception was NRG in Houston. There is some feeling that the lighting arrangement (as opposed to depth perception) was the reason why the regional with Gonzaga and that terrible final 4 with Butler/UConn led to bad shooting. But they must have made adjustments, because there were zero issues last year.

rennis
03-30-2017, 11:18 AM
Wouldn't that look great in the warehouse

my thoughts exactly

Goshzagit
03-30-2017, 11:31 AM
The stage ia set.

Hoopaholic
03-30-2017, 02:24 PM
my thoughts exactly

I would contribute as a fundraiser to bring the court back to warehouse if we won

MJ777
03-30-2017, 02:45 PM
Few: Shrek, put Donkey on your shoulders, Donkey, measure the height of the basket......