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Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 04:37 PM
IMO

Jordan Mathews has been the silent consistent player

10-23 from floor
12 rebounds (6 per game)
2 assists
4 steals
1 turnover
30 points (15 per game)

Exceptional defense

Key player in our next game

DixieZag
03-19-2017, 04:48 PM
Collins.

Put whatever you'd like on paper.

Love Mathews, and boy do we need backcourt help.

But, player of the weekend was Collins. Slient/loud/otherwise

thespywhozaggedme
03-19-2017, 04:55 PM
Collins and it's not close.

vandalzag
03-19-2017, 04:56 PM
Collins.

Put whatever you'd like on paper.

Love Mathews, and boy do we need backcourt help.

But, player of the weekend was Collins. Slient/loud/otherwise

Yep ZK is special. Nothing against Jordan but Zach has been special.

bartruff1
03-19-2017, 04:57 PM
Collins.

Put whatever you'd like on paper.

Love Mathews, and boy do we need backcourt help.

But, player of the weekend was Collins. Slient/loud/otherwise

truth

gonzagafan62
03-19-2017, 04:59 PM
Collins. No question.

Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 05:00 PM
Collins

7-11 from floor
24 points ( 12 per game)
1 assist
7 blocks (3.5 per game. Wow)
4 turnovers
11 rebounds (5.5 per game)

DixieZag
03-19-2017, 05:03 PM
Collins

7-11 from floor
24 points ( 12 per game)
1 assist
7 blocks (3.5 per game. Wow)
4 turnovers
11 rebounds (5.5 per game)

Again, you've been posting lots of numbers lately, for and against certain players. But, they don't tell the whole story and I think any vote but Collins is pretty willfully silly.

Doesn't mean I'm not thrilled that Mathews is showing up as a baller, a senior with fight and not scared. Love it. But, not the answer to your question.

MJ777
03-19-2017, 05:07 PM
Collins

7-11 from floor
24 points ( 12 per game)
1 assist
7 blocks (3.5 per game. Wow)
4 turnovers
11 rebounds (5.5 per game)

Collins, but 1 block is "Tainted."

Zagceo
03-19-2017, 05:08 PM
21min a game for Zach
33min a game for Jordan

Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 05:08 PM
Again, you've been posting lots of numbers lately, for and against certain players. But, they don't tell the whole story and I think any vote but Collins is pretty willfully silly.

Doesn't mean I'm not thrilled that Mathews is showing up as a baller, a senior with fight and not scared. Love it. But, not the answer to your question.


Total play tells a story as to why a team wins. Thanks for calling my opinion silly. Name calling when someone has a different view on the game and impact over our two wins...

jazzdelmar
03-19-2017, 05:13 PM
Collins

7-11 from floor
24 points ( 12 per game)
1 assist
7 blocks (3.5 per game. Wow)
4 turnovers
11 rebounds (5.5 per game)

Why do you hate Collins so much?

Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 05:16 PM
Why do you hate Collins so much?

Love him. Love his energy love his shot blocking skill/timing. Love his post move determination

Just think Mathews brought it each minute of the two games and was critical to our success in the big picture

DixieZag
03-19-2017, 05:21 PM
Love him. Love his energy love his shot blocking skill/timing. Love his post move determination

Just think Mathews brought it each minute of the two games and was critical to our success in the big picture

And Collins didn't?

DixieZag
03-19-2017, 05:22 PM
Total play tells a story as to why a team wins. Thanks for calling my opinion silly. Name calling when someone has a different view on the game and impact over our two wins...

Here's an impact. Without Collins, our season is over.

thespywhozaggedme
03-19-2017, 05:50 PM
21min a game for Zach
33min a game for Jordan

Yeah, that's the second time HAH has intentionally left out a players mpg.

Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 05:51 PM
Yeah, that's the second time HAH has intentionally left out a players mpg.

Because from my view it is total impact

thespywhozaggedme
03-19-2017, 05:53 PM
Because from my view it is total impact

You're view or your narrative to fit your view?

Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 05:56 PM
You're view or your narrative to fit your view?

My view

thespywhozaggedme
03-19-2017, 06:04 PM
My view

So it's just a "coincidence" that in two different threads, one discussing ZC vs Shem, the other ZC vs Matthews you didn't bother to mention mpg for the players when arguing against ZC?

Hoopaholic
03-19-2017, 06:25 PM
So it's just a "coincidence" that in two different threads, one discussing ZC vs Shem, the other ZC vs Matthews you didn't bother to mention mpg for the players when arguing against ZC?

Once again it is total value provided not how many minutes you log...I have never focused on minutes played...it's the TOTAL value you gave the team and many times for me it can be about non statistical action that makes me value a performance

For example if in both games we inserted alberts and he hit game winning shots but only played 2 minutes total his value to the team win would be tremendous despite only playing limited minutes

DixieZag
03-19-2017, 06:42 PM
Once again it is total value provided not how many minutes you log...I have never focused on minutes played...it's the TOTAL value you gave the team and many times for me it can be about non statistical action that makes me value a performance

For example if in both games we inserted alberts and he hit game winning shots but only played 2 minutes total his value to the team win would be tremendous despite only playing limited minutes

Total value, retail value, duty free value, futures value, Collins has been the most valuable player and the proof might be the pushback from everyone else.

Mathews has been needed, is lifting his game, showing like a senior. But, I don't recall him putting the team on his back and lifting us over the finish line like Collins did, the statistic for that is "W"

bartruff1
03-19-2017, 07:00 PM
Why do you hate Collins so much?

:lmao:

TexasZagFan
03-19-2017, 07:30 PM
Jordan and Zach have both been productive in these first two games. Good arguments have been made for both. I'm just happy both came through in the clutch for us.

The level of debate has been counterproductive, IMO. We are in the Sweet 16, and I'm enjoying the moment.

Watching the SC news conference, nothing but love, and their coach is no sweetheart.

sittingon50
03-19-2017, 07:57 PM
[QUOTE=TexasZagFan;1303997]

The level of debate has been counterproductive, IMO. We are in the Sweet 16, and I'm enjoying the moment.

MDABE80
03-19-2017, 08:08 PM
Why do you hate Collins so much?

Nobody hates anybody. Certainly not Z Collins . Only judicious use of that hideous word please. Josh has developed so much as a frosh, he deserves and is getting more court time. We all love this kid as do the coaches. We want him back. Huge chance of AA candidate next year. Pleasant kid. Well raised. Pleasant kid. Very happy here with his teammates!

bartruff1
03-19-2017, 08:11 PM
I am sure Jazz was joking ....

thespywhozaggedme
03-19-2017, 08:18 PM
Nobody hates anybody. Certainly not Z Collins . Only judicious use of that hideous word please. Josh has developed so much as a frosh, he deserves and is getting more court time. We all love this kid as do the coaches. We want him back. Huge chance of AA candidate next year. Pleasant kid. Well raised. Pleasant kid. Very happy here with his teammates!

Don't forget pleasant kid. :D

MDABE80
03-19-2017, 10:01 PM
Right! It goes double!:)

CDC84
03-19-2017, 10:05 PM
I can't pick one, but it's between Collins and Mathews for me.

Ezag
03-19-2017, 10:33 PM
What no Perkins bashing on a different thread?