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LongIslandZagFan
03-13-2017, 11:06 AM
Few days until game time... plenty of time to discuss and predict... definitely predict... have at it boys and girls!!

Hoopaholic
03-13-2017, 11:10 AM
Zags 84
Rabbits 62

IowaSERE
03-13-2017, 11:16 AM
We beat South Dakota 102-65. They lost at SD 91-89 and won at home 73-72. Also won in tournament 74-71.

I think we win 90-62

75Zag
03-13-2017, 11:21 AM
Over the past 10 years I have lost a lot of money wagering that Coach Few would allow his team to run up the score and cover some big point spreads, but in this particular game a 30 point victory for the Bulldogs seems likely.

See you in SLC - Go Bulldogs!

MTZag03
03-13-2017, 11:22 AM
I want to see Edwards, Rio, Jones, etc. 30+ point win with very focused defense.

Hoopaholic
03-13-2017, 11:34 AM
Over the past 10 years I have lost a lot of money wagering that Coach Few would allow his team to run up the score and cover some big point spreads, but in this particular game a 30 point victory for the Bulldogs seems likely.

See you in SLC - Go Bulldogs!

I suspect we will be seeing zone and if so opportunity to unleash the cover on the basket for our outside shooters to get into a good rhythm and confidence

gozagswoohoo
03-13-2017, 11:41 AM
I envision Gonzaga making a trip to Smashtown Central. (Located in Utah)

MileHigh
03-13-2017, 11:58 AM
I watched SDSU play in person against Denver U. Daum is legit. He would average 20 in the WCC easy. He is a lot like Dirk in that he is a stretch 4 that can shoot fadeaway 3's off the dribble. Imagine an inch shorter version of Wiltjer, and that is kind of how he plays. Other than him, they have a bunch of guys that are role players and they will have big problems scoring against Zag D. They have no one that can guard Karno, JW or Collins on the block so I imagine they will double the post and dare our guards to beat them from behind the arc. I expect the walk-ons to be in the game with about 3 minutes to go. Tthis will be no contest

willandi
03-13-2017, 11:59 AM
95-58 Zags

NotoriousZ
03-13-2017, 12:01 PM
93-55 Go Zags!

gonzagafan62
03-13-2017, 12:02 PM
I hope to win the game.

Zags 94
Jack of all Rabbits 66

Kiddwell
03-13-2017, 12:02 PM
That's a Fact, Jack!(a rhymed couplet)
<ahem>
Golly, dag-nabbit!
Zags chase off rabbits!
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:argh:

Zags - 93
Jackrabbits - 66

:]

bartruff1
03-13-2017, 12:12 PM
Gonzaga 89-Jack's 61

BayAreaZagFan
03-13-2017, 12:26 PM
After toying with a 40+ point lead for most of the 2nd half, the Zags will prevail 96 - 57.

stevet75
03-13-2017, 12:30 PM
Zags 90 SDSU 59

GonzagasaurusFlex
03-13-2017, 12:31 PM
Hope to see PK and NWG get Zags going, Karno by making quick decisions when to hit the open shooter vs getting his points inside and NWG by doing what he does:everything. I'm hoping all the Zags are feeling bouncier and healthier physically thanks to the needed recuperation time. Star offense through PK, JWIII and NWG; move the ball; guards stroke it with confidence. Perkins and Melson are gonna shine this tourney. Go Zags!

Mr Vulture
03-13-2017, 01:43 PM
I personally think one guy can make a big difference in one game and I think Mike Baum will get his points. However, I just don't see the manpower on their side to survive the waves of bigs we will bring at them. In the end, I think we prevail, but I don't think it's going to be 30+ points.

Zags - 88
Jackrabbits - 67

rennis
03-13-2017, 02:02 PM
88-54 Zags

northsidezagfan
03-13-2017, 02:04 PM
More than anything I want to see Matthews hit some shots. Think he is the key for a deep run.

Zags 91-63.

FlyZag
03-13-2017, 03:31 PM
Spike the Bulldog = 88
Roger the Rabbit = 62

ZagsGoZags
03-13-2017, 04:03 PM
us 87
them 61

CdAZagFan
03-13-2017, 04:25 PM
GU 83
SDSU 67

RenoZag
03-13-2017, 05:21 PM
SDSU: 62
GONZAGA: 83

Bogozags
03-13-2017, 05:24 PM
I was on their board yesterday and they sure seemed like just getting to SLC would be worth points...they just want to not lose by 36 or less...

I think adrenalin will carry them for the first 5-10 minutes and then our defence will kick in and we gradually build an insurmountable lead and with 5-6 minutes left, Coach will sub...
92-64 GU

Martin Centre Mad Man
03-13-2017, 05:28 PM
We are noble knights on a quest.

We seek that golden trophy which has eluded our forefathers for generations.

We are strong and brave.


They're just a bunch of harmless little bunnies...



















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Martin Centre Mad Man
03-13-2017, 05:30 PM
Zags win. 89-65.

MDABE80
03-13-2017, 05:31 PM
Good way to get the kids' legs under em again. Maybe a just a Hair/hare ( yuk yuk) better than some we play early in the OOC. This will get the kids working. Not many bigs but a decent team. Karno should go nuts. Hope the old Josh is back although..........?

bigblahla
03-13-2017, 05:36 PM
Zags 89-61

Go!! Zags!!!

Radbooks
03-13-2017, 06:06 PM
I think it will be closer in the first half then we are expecting just because of the long delay between games. Zags pull away in the second half and win 85-61

DixieZag
03-13-2017, 06:15 PM
More than anything I want to see Matthews hit some shots. Think he is the key for a deep run.

Zags 91-63.

Yes.

We need far more consistent outside shooting, Mathews is critical, and with Perkins' ankle having time to heal, if we could get those 2 off to a great start - important.

We have some demons to vanquish, both first and second game there in SLC

Zagricultural
03-13-2017, 06:27 PM
92-67 Zags. Want to see Perk and Matthews get hot from three while Tillie and Collins get the jitters out.

rennis
03-13-2017, 06:28 PM
We have some demons to vanquish, both first and second game there in SLC

not so much the players, some of them were barely in high school in 2013. But for us armchair point guards? TONS of vanquishing to be hoped for!

Zag4Hire
03-13-2017, 06:36 PM
Some nuggets for your predictometer:

* Zags 5-0 ATS in last 5 non-conference games;4-1 ATS as tournament favorite in last 5 games; 9-4 ATS in last 13 neutral site games;
* Both have a varied history with this spread (Zags have had an amazing set of games with spreads of 20+ and have covered quite a few; SDSU has only had a handful of games with 10-15 with a varied history)

Alright spread checking in at -23 (whooh) and O/U at 153. I think Zags narrowly miss the cover but think they can get the O.

TruckStopTruckers 87
SDSU 68

tummydoc
03-13-2017, 07:38 PM
87 zags, 52 bunnies. I think we cover Baum like glue and dare the rest to battle. Our defense will be special.

Go Zags

Zags11
03-13-2017, 08:19 PM
2013s team looked tight. It showed. This won't be that team.

Zags 84
Jack rabbits 58

Goss 26

Stache
03-13-2017, 08:49 PM
Zags 89. jackrabbits 61

GeorgiaZagFan
03-13-2017, 08:54 PM
I agree with Few not running up the score. My prediction is 76-60 (but never close in the 2nd half) and hoping for NO injuries!!

Zagricultural
03-13-2017, 08:58 PM
I agree with Few not running up the score. My prediction is 76-60 (but never close in the 2nd half) and hoping for NO injuries!!

If we only score 76 I will have serious ulcers about Saturday's game!

zagzilla
03-13-2017, 09:27 PM
Hoping to see three things....plus one more

1. Matthews and Perk get their groove on
2. Offensive rebounding-this was an issue in the OOC
3. Tillie gets major minutes and looks good-confident after recovering from his inuries
4. No new injuries

23dpg
03-13-2017, 09:35 PM
Zags 82
Rabbits 59

Zagger
03-14-2017, 04:00 AM
I believe the Zags will be better prepared for SDSU than they are for the Zags. I loved how when the Zags were interviewed about their #1 seed selection that they already were chatting up scouting reports on SDSU.
Due to Zag depth, defense, determination and dedication to game plan .... Zags 90, Bunnies 55.
I want to see these 3 with 3s: Rem, Rui & Triano.
http://www.sbaran.net/zags/AttackModeSDSU.png

Hoopaholic
03-14-2017, 06:02 AM
I believe the Zags will be better prepared for SDSU than they are for the Zags. I loved how when the Zags were interviewed about their #1 seed selection that they already were chatting up scouting reports on SDSU.
Due to Zag depth, defense, determination and dedication to game plan .... Zags 90, Bunnies 55.
I want to see these 3 with 3s: Rem, Rui & Triano.
http://www.sbaran.net/zags/AttackModeSDSU.png

wow Zagger pulling out the 4 D's............tournament time

scrooner
03-14-2017, 06:42 AM
Lunardi's preview of SD State:

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=18897569

"The Jackrabbits are going down, and they are going down hard.....this feels like about 85 - 50 to me."

Goshzagit
03-14-2017, 06:51 AM
I wonder if SD State's 1-3-1 zone will give us any trouble.

BYU ran a version of it and stifled our guys on some possessions.

Maybe we've figured things out a bit.

The advantage of NW/Vandy is they scout for their next opponent than US. That's it. Probably not even looking at SDS tape.

We don't have that luxury. We are required to thoroughly scout 3 teams -- a different coach on every team.

Vandy shoots it better and has a big guy, NW is more team based and balanced on the floor. Have no clue who wins that game, yet expecting Vandy for some reason. 3pt shots will be flying if so, and that makes me bit nervous!

TexasZagFan
03-14-2017, 06:55 AM
I wonder if SD State's 1-3-1 zone will give us any trouble.

BYU ran a version of it and stifled our guys on some possessions.

Maybe we've figured things out a bit.

The advantage of NW/Vandy is they scout for their next opponent than US. That's it. Probably not even looking at SDS tape.

We don't have that luxury. We are required to thoroughly scout 3 teams -- a different coach on every team.

Vandy shoots it better and has a big guy, NW is more team based and balanced on the floor. Have no clue who wins that game, yet expecting Vandy for some reason. 3pt shots will be flying if so, and that makes me bit nervous!

I look forward to playing teams that rely on the 3. IMO, that's the only way you beat us, by hitting your 3's. We're too efficient on offense to be beaten with two-point FG's. Teams are going to find out what St. Mary's experienced, i.e. we limit your 3 point opportunities, and contest the vast majority of shots.

Goshzagit
03-14-2017, 07:00 AM
I look forward to playing teams that rely on the 3. IMO, that's the only way you beat us, by hitting your 3's. We're too efficient on offense to be beaten with two-point FG's. Teams are going to find out what St. Mary's experienced, i.e. we limit your 3 point opportunities, and contest the vast majority of shots.

The closest any team got to doing this was Iowa St. they were el fuego that 2nd half, not to mention their absurd amount of offensive rebounds.

those were the days we weren't boxing out though -- players like Collins and J3 have become much better at finding a guy and boxing out.

J3, especially, was terrible in OOC play at defensive rebounding, so much improved.

Karno is still Karno, boxes out with mostly his arms, but it does work.

77Zag
03-14-2017, 01:40 PM
Zags -90
Jackrabbits- 30

Rui -- slam dunk

mattydog73
03-14-2017, 03:35 PM
Zags:89
B-rabbits: 61

Want to see blanket coverage of Daum by JWIII, & Tillie....want to see Shem and Nigel EAT!

ZagzKrak
03-14-2017, 05:01 PM
Zags 105
Rabbits 56

LongIslandZagFan
03-14-2017, 06:54 PM
Zags put Daum on ice early... score at will on their lack of D.

Zags 88
Rabbits 51

Zagdawg
03-14-2017, 07:53 PM
Jay Drew‏
@drewjay

BYU's Eric Mika on how to beat Gonzaga: "Go find a 7-foot-3, 300-pound European." Referencing GU's 7-1, 300-pound Przemek Karnowski.

upan8th
03-14-2017, 09:39 PM
A bit of early nerves dents GU's total score. Still, 81 -58 seems about right.

Zagceo
03-14-2017, 09:59 PM
Just want to even the series.


History: SDSU has a 1-0 record against Gonzaga, winning on Dec. 31, 1956,

ProVeeZag
03-14-2017, 10:08 PM
Zags 84

Jacks 58

JWIII goes wild - dunk city, babeeeee!

DixieZag
03-14-2017, 10:13 PM
not so much the players, some of them were barely in high school in 2013. But for us armchair point guards? TONS of vanquishing to be hoped for!

True. I was referring more to coaches and Zag "community" - which I think the players know of. And I think this team is very much up to the task.

Zags 88

Rabbits 58

Reborn
03-15-2017, 07:53 AM
GONZAGA 83
SDSU 53

TexasZagFan
03-15-2017, 08:11 AM
Just want to even the series.

As they say, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

Zagdawg
03-15-2017, 10:13 AM
Well is should be pretty easy for him if he has played guys Shems size during AAU ball.

Sam Adams‏ @SWXSamAdams 17m17 minutes ago
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Mike Daum talking about matchup with Przemek Karnowski, says he faced guys that size in AAU.

All Weather Fan
03-15-2017, 10:59 AM
Next up for the Zags, South Dakota State.
Game time is early, don't dare be late.
Should be a blowout,
Also known as a rout.
No matter the outcome, Zag haters gonna hate !
GU - 88
SDSU - 62

kitzbuel
03-15-2017, 03:01 PM
Zags - 91

Jackrabbits - 62

ZenZag
03-15-2017, 03:53 PM
Zags - 81
Rabbits - 59

MJ777
03-15-2017, 11:24 PM
I think the Jacks are better than their record, but not good enough. Zags 84-63

Zags11
03-16-2017, 01:06 AM
I wanna see how this team responds to the 1 seed. I already did my prediction. I have faith in this team.

TexasZagFan
03-16-2017, 05:05 AM
Jackrabbits average 78 PPG, 10+ 3Pt per game. Our defense will control the game.

Zags 99
Rabbits 62

rennis
03-16-2017, 05:49 AM
I want to see how we defend Daum. That's pretty much all that matters in this game.

gonstu
03-16-2017, 05:54 AM
please please please zags do not be the first 1 to lose to a 16...

ZagLawGrad
03-16-2017, 06:03 AM
Just get it done fellas. And no injuries.

TexasZagFan
03-16-2017, 06:26 AM
I want to see how we defend Daum. That's pretty much all that matters in this game.

There's going to be a lot of pressure on Daum to perform. I expect J3 to be the first Zag to defend him, followed by Tillie, might even see Silas on him (not discounting the height differential, though).

Goshzagit
03-16-2017, 06:26 AM
Well is should be pretty easy for him if he has played guys Shems size during AAU ball.

Sam Adams‏ @SWXSamAdams 17m17 minutes ago
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Mike Daum talking about matchup with Przemek Karnowski, says he faced guys that size in AAU.

Love this post.

As EVERY player who has faced Karnowski says, "he's much bigger in person than on tape…"

I have read that quote countless times by opponents.

Also, Daum seems like a very nice, hardworking, likable kid, yet during pre-game interviews he said, "I plan to keep Karnowski away from the hoop, push him away from the basket…"

That is nearly impossible for 99% of any human being.

Daum did give up a little bit of intel saying, "we plan to spread them out and work our bigs all around the floor, excited to see how they handle what we throw at them…"

Thus, their bigs will be working the perimeter and spreading our guys out, and trying to use their shooting ability and/or quickness to exploit our size. The other interesting tidbit, or lack thereof, is NO mention of J3 in pre-game scouting reports, pressers, reporters, players, coaches, etc.

Endless mentions of Karnowski and just "Goss", some about Collins as well -- but not one mention of J3. Like he isn't even on our team.

As if our bigs are all 7' foot tall and set in stone.

Don't underestimate J3. Matter of fact, I bet we'll be reading numerous mentions of J3 come post-game interviews by them.

TexasZagFan
03-16-2017, 06:35 AM
Love this post.

As EVERY player who has faced Karnowski says, "he's much bigger in person than on tape…"

I have read that quote countless times by opponents.

Also, Daum seems like a very nice, hardworking, likable kid, yet during pre-game interviews he said, "I plan to keep Karnowski away from the hoop, push him away from the basket…"

That is nearly impossible for 99% of any human being.

Daum did give up a little bit of intel saying, "we plan to spread them out and work our bigs all around the floor, excited to see how they handle what we throw at them…"

Thus, their bigs will be working the perimeter and spreading our guys out, and trying to use their shooting ability and/or quickness to exploit our size. The other interesting tidbit, or lack thereof, is NO mention of J3 in pre-game scouting reports, pressers, reporters, players, coaches, etc.

Endless mentions of Karnowski and just "Goss", some about Collins as well -- but not one mention of J3. Like he isn't even on our team.

As if our bigs are all 7' foot tall and set in stone.

Don't underestimate J3. Matter of fact, I bet we'll be reading numerous mentions of J3 come post-game interviews by them.


"we plan to spread them out and work our bigs all around the floor, excited to see how they handle what we throw at them…"


The team shot 36% from 3 during the year. I'm excited to see how the rabbits will deal with nearly every one of their shots being contested. 40% of their points came from beyond the arc, I expect their opportunities to be limited in the same vein we stymied SMC.

Zaga
03-16-2017, 06:44 AM
92 - 55 Gonzaga. Lot's of needed bench minutes.

Reborn
03-16-2017, 06:52 AM
I have but but one hope, that at the end of the game the Zags have more points than USDS.

Jonathan Williams III will play his best games of the year in this tournament. He has shown that the bigger the game the better he plays. Yes. He will surprise a lot of people.

Zag4Hire
03-16-2017, 06:52 AM
Love this post.

Don't underestimate J3. Matter of fact, I bet we'll be reading numerous mentions of J3 come post-game interviews by them.

+1 JWIII will pull a few special reserve level violent rim rockers for this game book it.

For SDSU (my 1st reaction is always "Zags are playing the Aztecs?!"), a variation of the quote from Blazing Saddles describing Mongo such as "Don't foul him you will just make him mad." will be uttered.

bballbeachbum
03-16-2017, 07:32 AM
Watched the conference final for the Jackrabbits.

Good game and they won a close one. On Daum, he can really fill it up from the paint to the perimeter and they ran a ton of action designed to get him the ball where he could do something with it from the block to the three point line. Lots of off ball screens in the circle designed to get him open on the pop to the top of the key somewhere, and when he showed there he was looking to catch and shoot; the guy guarding him was 6’7” so the 6’9” Daum shot over him easily with his long arms and high release. Then when the defender did get there on the catch, Daum would drive it; he was not an explosive leaper or finisher at the rim and seemed to jump long instead of high when he’d drive, then he’d barrel chest his defender under the basket so if his layup missed he could get his own rebound and finish; he did that 3 times in that game. He also created for others because he got so much attention. He’s a smart player that his entire team is looking to help get going.

The 6’7” player from Omaha guarding him. Thurman, was the biggest guy on the floor for Omaha, so he had to defend the perimeter and force the dribble but then had no rim protection help. We’ll see how Few and co. handle Daum, but the Zags have the length and D skills both on the perimeter (Williams, Tillie, Collins) and at the rim to bother him so we’ll see how those matchups develop today. Here’s what Thurman, the guy who guarded him and had a nice game himself, had to say about Daum


“He’s just a heck of a player. He’s just talented and they run a lot of sets for him. You have to be on your toes the entire game,” Omaha’s Tre’Sahwn Thurman said of Daum. “You have to be communicating and you have to know what’s coming. He’s able to create for other guys and able to create mismatches. He’s just a tough guy to guard. I wish him well in the NCAA tournament.”

The Jackrabbits turned the ball over in that game too, and not sure how they can defend the Zag bigs in the paint but on O they will probably look to bring them away from the basket; their bigs shot 3s in that game

Hoopaholic
03-16-2017, 07:42 AM
Watched the conference final for the Jackrabbits.

Good game and they won a close one. On Daum, he can really fill it up from the paint to the perimeter and they ran a ton of action designed to get him the ball where he could do something with it from the block to the three point line. Lots of off ball screens in the circle designed to get him open on the pop to the top of the key somewhere, and when he showed there he was looking to catch and shoot; the guy guarding him was 6’7” so the 6’9” Daum shot over him easily with his long arms and high release. Then when the defender did get there on the catch, Daum would drive it; he was not an explosive leaper or finisher at the rim and seemed to jump long instead of high when he’d drive, then he’d barrel chest his defender under the basket so if his layup missed he could get his own rebound and finish; he did that 3 times in that game. He also created for others because he got so much attention. He’s a smart player that his entire team is looking to help get going.

The 6’7” player from Omaha guarding him. Thurman, was the biggest guy on the floor for Omaha, so he had to defend the perimeter and force the dribble but then had no rim protection help. We’ll see how Few and co. handle Daum, but the Zags have the length and D skills both on the perimeter (Williams, Tillie, Collins) and at the rim to bother him so we’ll see how those matchups develop today. Here’s what Thurman, the guy who guarded him and had a nice game himself, had to say about Daum



The Jackrabbits turned the ball over in that game too, and not sure how they can defend the Zag bigs in the paint but on O they will probably look to bring them away from the basket; their bigs shot 3s in that game

They need to hide him on defense to keep him on court and my guess is where ever they try hide him we will attack

ZagDaddy
03-16-2017, 08:08 AM
They need to hide him on defense to keep him on court and my guess is where ever they try hide him we will attack

I completely agree. The guy can score and he is going to get his but the Zags need to make him work harder than he ever has to get his points. The bigger question for me is who is he going to guard? Whoever that is should go right at him. The best way to negate a scorer is to force him to the bench.

bballbeachbum
03-16-2017, 08:18 AM
I completely agree. The guy can score and he is going to get his but the Zags need to make him work harder than he ever has to get his points. The bigger question for me is who is he going to guard? Whoever that is should go right at him. The best way to negate a scorer is to force him to the bench.

yep, agree with you both, and the Zags have the weapons to do it too, the versatility across the frontline

Goshzagit
03-16-2017, 08:30 AM
As Coach Few said, "if this were a 7-game series, we'd be fine. However, its a one game deal here. They have the weapons and players to do some damage."

If SDSU comes out and hits 7 of 10 3's, and Daum gets inside buckets here and there -- much like BYU did with Haws, Bryant, & Mika, this could be a game.

The Zags (and Coaches) have shown the tendency to get tight in pressure packed games. If this game is within even 10 in 2nd half, it could be interesting.

SDSU will have to make some incredible shots, but they are capable of playing loose and free, add Daum into the mix (legit big) and they can be dangerous.

No 16 seeds have 26 ppg scorers at 6'9", 250lbs, who shoot 45% from 3pt.

An Adam Morrison-effect is possible.

The guys will have to play well and together on defense to pull away.

If game stays tight by 10 min mark of 2nd half, all the pressure is on us....how will we respond? Like we did vs SMC or BYU?

Once BYU got within 10, they started to believe. A couple miracle 3's by Haws and some 18 footer jumpers by Mika caused panic and we lost our way.

South Dakota St is a good 3pt shooting team. Their entire roster is 35+%, meaning they can hit shots, and simply having Mike Daum gives them a fighters chance...

There is a reason Coach Few is 100% dialed in on this game. Right now, Vandy and/or NW is an afterthought (well, Coach B-Mike and Bone are working on those reports, but we are ONLY practicing vs Daum & SDSU scout).

maynard g krebs
03-16-2017, 08:30 AM
Zags come out focused. 92-58.

bballbeachbum
03-16-2017, 09:17 AM
on his D, he was smart, kept his hands up, he knew he couldn't foul. something's got to give there.
and I'd bet the Zag perimeter D will be out hard to force the dribble, even Karno when their 3 pt shooting center steps out there. we'll see
fun! let's start already!!

bballbeachbum
03-16-2017, 09:19 AM
"if this were a 7-game series, we'd be fine. However, its a one game deal here."
totally, gives cinderella a chance, but I'm with maynard on this one

Club Prez
03-16-2017, 09:40 AM
Gonzaga 87
South Dakota State 61

sheps001
03-16-2017, 12:08 PM
Everyone off by 20. SDSU collapses inside and forces us to shoot outside. Look for this to repeat.

bballbeachbum
03-16-2017, 12:15 PM
Everyone off by 20. SDSU collapses inside and forces us to shoot outside. Look for this to repeat.

ha! probably, but the Zags should be better prepared to drive the FT line instead of jacking the first open 3 they are dared to shoot out of rhythm, that was a big adjustment today that worked