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77Zag
03-09-2017, 03:12 PM
First - Karno is the true leader on this team. He draws the attention and respect from the entire team. You can see it in huddles and throughout the game. Special note, about the 3:00 mark left in the final vs SMC -- Perks missed a shot. You could see Perks was a bit down or disappointed. SMC ran the court and Naar got swatted by Karno. A bit later after a Pineau miss, when the Zags were bringing the ball up the court, Karno went out of his way to the three point line to encourage Perks to keep in the game. Moments later, Perks drains a jumper from the free throw line. I watched the replay last night on TV and it was cut away. Man Mountain is so key to this squad.

Nice new overhead screen and scoreboard at the Orleans. But still, no possession arrow to be found -- c'mon Orleans.

Pre-game socials are great, but need to mix it up...hot dogs are getting really old and Miller Lite? Really? -- c'mon Finn.

Kennel Club was the usual "student comatose victims of Vegas". Can't blame them - great town to be a youngster.

The Zags travel very well. Fans from everywhere - we own the town and the Orleans. Hard pressed to walk around town without seeing MANY Zag shirts.

Mark Few is the greatest, spent quite a bit of time at the handshake and talking with Brownridge from Santa Clara. True talent and I'm glad he is off our schedule.

Randy Bennett was his old self -- cold shoulder brush by handshake at games end. I'm kind of starting to feel sorry for him, no not really.

Larsen will be a great addition next year - he was finally visible with the squad at warm ups -- has a nice frame and should hold his own. Looks like he's the weights!

Lastly -- red, white and blue confetti was an easy pick for both the women's and men's game - can't miss for either SMC or GU

Go Zags - Beat the Field!!

scott257
03-09-2017, 06:13 PM
So what was the deal wth students this year? No Pepperdine band, the Wave mascot was the loneliest guy in the arena. I did not see any organized student section with exception of BYU. I was wondering if students were off for the tournament.

The big screen was nice, great turnout from the Gonzaga fans. I am always amazed at the number of Zag fans. Just my third year going but it seems like the number of Zag fans climbs each year. I was really happy to see the big turnout for each of the women's games. I can't help but think the team really appreciated that too.

I was able to get an autographed copy of Bud Wither's book. We talked about his early days with the Eugene Register Guard and I learned that at that time he lived in Pleasant Hill where we both encountered Russ Francis. It was fun meeting him.

One BYU fan was waving a poster around with the 30-0 newspaper photo trying to stir up the Zag fans, he was chanting 3-0 in reference to the Senior night record. A BYU woman came over and told him to sit down, and told him he was an embarrassment. He quieted for a bit and started back up, the woman then went and got the attention of a BYU administrator that came over and sat with the guy and made it clear he needed to sit and be quiet, all this while BYU was being stomped by St. Mary's.

All in all it was another great time.

Goshzagit
03-09-2017, 06:21 PM
First - Karno is the true leader on this team. He draws the attention and respect from the entire team. You can see it in huddles and throughout the game. Special note, about the 3:00 mark left in the final vs SMC -- Perks missed a shot. You could see Perks was a bit down or disappointed. SMC ran the court and Naar got swatted by Karno. A bit later after a Pineau miss, when the Zags were bringing the ball up the court, Karno went out of his way to the three point line to encourage Perks to keep in the game. Moments later, Perks drains a jumper from the free throw line. I watched the replay last night on TV and it was cut away. Man Mountain is so key to this squad.

Nice new overhead screen and scoreboard at the Orleans. But still, no possession arrow to be found -- c'mon Orleans.

Pre-game socials are great, but need to mix it up...hot dogs are getting really old and Miller Lite? Really? -- c'mon Finn.

Nice post.

Karno has been the vocal leader since January, yet noticed him leading all the huddles & getting on some guys in Vegas. He had stepped up his leadership since BYU loss, & its palpable & evident.

I still think he should move the ball more -- as we get a good look or easy bucket -- every possession he moves the ball. But the mountain is playing well & taking over on & off the court.

I havent attended WCC in Vegad since 2012...and they were serving hot dogs & miller Lite back then. I would agree, time to step up the choices. Grateful we have the opportunity to gather, & beggars shouldn't be choosers, yet time to offer better beer choice.
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Maybe the Widmer Brothers can come through again as they did years ago...

Hoopaholic
03-09-2017, 06:33 PM
Nice post.

Karno has been the vocal leader since January, yet noticed him leading all the huddles & getting on some guys in Vegas. He had stepped up his leadership since BYU loss, & its palpable & evident.

I still think he should move the ball more -- as we get a good look or easy bucket -- every possession he moves the ball. But the mountain is playing well & taking over on & off the court.

I havent attended WCC in Vegad since 2012...and they were serving hot dogs & miller Lite back then. I would agree, time to step up the choices. Grateful we have the opportunity to gather, & beggars shouldn't be choosers, yet time to offer better beer choice.
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Maybe the Widmer Brothers can come through again as they did years ago...

I vote for Irish death

sylean
03-09-2017, 08:41 PM
I thought it was a Zag mom who came over and then went and got someone named Tom Holmoe or something.....we sat very near there and didn't really see any bad behavior.......for the BYU/St Mary's game the Byu students brought in several large posters...but since St Mary's had them on the run from the get go, they never really used them much....BYU was very very quiet, stunned....Eric Mka did not look like the monster he was at the last game...

saw Dennis Patchin fighting the crowds at the In and Out...

saw Elle Tinkles day Wayne at Elle's game...

there was a possession sign except it was very very tiny....

prices for everything were up.....

however, a good time had by all....

ProVeeZag
03-09-2017, 11:10 PM
I havent attended WCC in Vegad since 2012...and they were serving hot dogs & miller Lite back then. I would agree, time to step up the choices. Grateful we have the opportunity to gather, & beggars shouldn't be choosers, yet time to offer better beer choice. [/QUOTE]

"Miller Lite" is to "beer" as "Grayson Allen" is to "role model". Both come up way, way short of the mark. Can't believe they served that swill at Vegas.

ZagaZags
03-09-2017, 11:18 PM
I like Miller Lite because it's less filling.

gonstu
03-10-2017, 04:41 AM
I like Miller Lite because it's less filling.

Tastes great!

TexasZagFan
03-10-2017, 04:56 AM
Give Finn a break. What he set up for us at SMU last year was unbelievable. We had a suite for about 40 people, tickets were only $100 a piece, and the service was excellent.

GonzagasaurusFlex
03-10-2017, 05:55 AM
Tastes great!

Less filling!

77Zag
03-10-2017, 06:35 AM
Give Finn a break. What he set up for us at SMU last year was unbelievable. We had a suite for about 40 people, tickets were only $100 a piece, and the service was excellent.

Certainly was not intended to be a diss on Bob, he is a great ambassador for the Alums and we appreciates all the work he does. I will have a private chat with him and discuss the suds options in the future. Perhaps we'll talk over a beer?

Go Zags - Beat the Field!!

TexasZagFan
03-10-2017, 06:46 AM
Certainly was not intended to be a diss on Bob, he is a great ambassador for the Alums and we appreciates all the work he does. I will have a private chat with him and discuss the suds options in the future. Perhaps we'll talk over a beer?

Go Zags - Beat the Field!!

Although I haven't called him, he's on my contact list on my phone. RenoZag says they "import" Shiner Bock in Nevada, so that would be a good place to start.

:cheers:

spud_chance
03-10-2017, 08:14 PM
I havent attended WCC in Vegad since 2012...and they were serving hot dogs & miller Lite back then. I would agree, time to step up the choices. Grateful we have the opportunity to gather, & beggars shouldn't be choosers, yet time to offer better beer choice.

"Miller Lite" is to "beer" as "Grayson Allen" is to "role model". Both come up way, way short of the mark. Can't believe they served that swill at Vegas.[/QUOTE]

I am a long time Duke fan as well as a long time Gonzaga fan. I have a son who is a student at Gonzaga. He also is both a Gonzaga and a Duke fan. Please don't lower yourself to the standards set by ESPN in being critical of Grayson Allen. Clearly Grayson Allen has made mistakes. So have I and so have everyone of you. The difference is that Grayson Allen has had to make his mistakes with a bunch of television cameras zoomed in on him. Before you are critical of a 20 year old kid making mistakes you might want to take a look in the mirror. I'd be willing to bet some of the mistakes we have all made are much worse than the ones Allen had made. Grayson Allen is a son, a brother, a teammate and a friend just like all of us. Keep that in mind when you decide to be critical of him. Personally I think Grayson Allen would be a fine role model. He will graduate this Spring from Duke University in 3 years while playing college basketball. He has been an academic All-American. He is clearly a very bright kid with a very bright future regardless of what role basketball plays in his future. He has his education and no one can ever take that away from him. Focus on the positives of Gonzaga basketball and quit picking on a kid that has made some mistakes and is paying for them dearly.

ZagDad84
03-11-2017, 12:49 AM
"Miller Lite" is to "beer" as "Grayson Allen" is to "role model". Both come up way, way short of the mark. Can't believe they served that swill at Vegas.


I am a long time Duke fan as well as a long time Gonzaga fan. I have a son who is a student at Gonzaga. He also is both a Gonzaga and a Duke fan. Please don't lower yourself to the standards set by ESPN in being critical of Grayson Allen. Clearly Grayson Allen has made mistakes. So have I and so have everyone of you. The difference is that Grayson Allen has had to make his mistakes with a bunch of television cameras zoomed in on him. Before you are critical of a 20 year old kid making mistakes you might want to take a look in the mirror. I'd be willing to bet some of the mistakes we have all made are much worse than the ones Allen had made. Grayson Allen is a son, a brother, a teammate and a friend just like all of us. Keep that in mind when you decide to be critical of him. Personally I think Grayson Allen would be a fine role model. He will graduate this Spring from Duke University in 3 years while playing college basketball. He has been an academic All-American. He is clearly a very bright kid with a very bright future regardless of what role basketball plays in his future. He has his education and no one can ever take that away from him. Focus on the positives of Gonzaga basketball and quit picking on a kid that has made some mistakes and is paying for them dearly.

Oh Please.

Yes we all made our mistakes when we were in our late teens and early 20's and yes we did not make them in front of a camera. Grayson Allen may be highly intelligent and he certainly has elite basketball skills, however that does not mean he is even a "good" person let alone a role model.

Most of us learn from our mistakes, and most of us rarely repeat these mistakes. Mr. Allen, not only has frequently made the same mistakes over and over again, he knows he is on tv and in the spotlight and yet he continues to act as if the rules do not apply to him. Mr. Allen may be a fine young gentlemen but he is a fine young gentlemen that routinely acts like an ass. He has brought these issues onto himself and as far as I am concerned, Grayson has nobody to blame but himself.

Until he shows me otherwise, I feel Grayson Allen has gotten away with this behavior most of his life (remember the Affluenza defense used by the teen in the Texas in the fatal drunk driving case) and will continue to behave in this manner until something or someone puts a stop to it. Grayson Allen may not be a bad person but his behavior, has been on many occasions, abhorrent and certainly nothing to be proud of.

I also take a major issue with Coach "K". By not "correcting" Grayson Allen's behavior, he has clearly shown that winning basketball games at Duke is more important than clearing up the behavior of the members of his team. I understand big time basketball, however, his acceptance of this on-going boorish behavior has significantly reduced my respect for the Coach.

ZagDad

GonzagasaurusFlex
03-11-2017, 04:01 AM
Oh Please.

Yes we all made our mistakes when we were in our late teens and early 20's and yes we did not make them in front of a camera. Grayson Allen may be highly intelligent and he certainly has elite basketball skills, however that does not mean he is even a "good" person let alone a role model.

Most of us learn from our mistakes, and most of us rarely repeat these mistakes. Mr. Allen, not only has frequently made the same mistakes over and over again, he knows he is on tv and in the spotlight and yet he continues to act as if the rules do not apply to him. Mr. Allen may be a fine young gentlemen but he is a fine young gentlemen that routinely acts like an ass. He has brought these issues onto himself and as far as I am concerned, Grayson has nobody to blame but himself.

Until he shows me otherwise, I feel Grayson Allen has gotten away with this behavior most of his life (remember the Affluenza defense used by the teen in the Texas in the fatal drunk driving case) and will continue to behave in this manner until something or someone puts a stop to it. Grayson Allen may not be a bad person but his behavior, has been on many occasions, abhorrent and certainly nothing to be proud of.

I also take a major issue with Coach "K". By not "correcting" Grayson Allen's behavior, he has clearly shown that winning basketball games at Duke is more important than clearing up the behavior of the members of his team. I understand big time basketball, however, his acceptance of this on-going boorish behavior has significantly reduced my respect for the Coach.

ZagDad

Exactly

AirborneJag
03-11-2017, 08:40 AM
Had a great time in LV. Gotta agree on the beer selection -WTF - most of us are not in college any more and if it costs a few more $, I am in. At a minimum, let us have the ability to buy something different.

Met lots of new people and it continues to amaze me what people do to support the Zags. Met one couple who are season ticket holders from Twin Falls, Idaho. He is a doc and she worked as a ramp rat for an airline so they could fly for free to home games. Another couple have season tickets to the Portland Pilots and not they don't go to those games, but it allows them an opportunity to purchase decent WCC tournament tickets.

BYU fans were their typical selves. Saw the students get into it with some "mature" Zag fans during the St. Mary's game as described in another post, and the BYU administration was on them quick, quite to BYU's credit. Afterward, ran into a very bitter woman BYU fan who had 8 center court seats that she was willing to part with- unless of course you were a Zag��. Kinda limited her market.

A big shout out to Josh Cox at the GU ticket office - what a thankless job and it gets more difficult each year. First impression was our seats were the worse that we have had in the 10 years or so that we've been going to the tournament and he was willing to work with us as cancellations came in. We ended up with the originally assigned seats but his understanding was priceless.

This Board also came up during the alumni meet and greets. Overall, a favorable opinion of the job moderators do but not so much the thread topic or the arrogance of some posters (I don't think any player really cares if a given poster is a "disappointed in their progress" or some such other BS, and personally these types of posts simply amuse me, although as a parent of a former D-1 college football player they often anger me since I recall what it felt like when some keyboard commando called out my son or some of his teammates without a clue about what it really takes to be a D-1 athlete). Probably the most discussed thread was the recent "can you be a real Zag if you didn't attend GU?". Needless to say, not well received since many Zag fans at the tournament actually have little or no direct connection with GU (no degrees, no children attending, etc.) and yet they consider themselves to be (and are) every bit of a Zag as many posters commented in response to that thread.

Anyhow, great games by the Zags (men and women) and a wonderful way to end the regular season with the WCC tournament championships.

Go Zags!!

Zagger
03-11-2017, 09:15 AM
Back to Vegas :)
We had a great time. Our 4th trip. The # of Zags seem to be more each year. It's sweet walking the Strip and hearing "Go Zags!" every few minutes whilst wearing Zag gear. We had more than one person ask us what "Gonzaga" was all about (folks who don't follow college sports) cuz they had seen so many people in Gonzaga attire.

I'll go for Irish Death too! The beer at the pregames has been lame. But, they did have wine. We went that route this year. Last year we just gave our drink tickets to others. Maybe a local brewery could brew up a Zag beer and ship a bunch down for the games ....... dreaming on.

We usually stay on the Strip and I'm always amazed how many Zags are at the Orleans - just in the casino apart from near game times. Seems like > 50% are in Zag gear. I would guess that the WCC Tourney is one of the best $ earning times for the Orleans for the year. The place is packed.

On the BYU kids. Yeah, hated that sign! I posted a pic of it in another thread. As a group, the BYU kids were a bit obnoxious during our game with SC. We sat just in front of their section. Individually, in chatting with the BYU kids they showed a hefty respect for the Zags though. They knew they caught us on an off night when their guys were on. A couple of the kids there had to be at work at 0800 in SLC the next AM - that's dedication! When their game started we moved to the section to their left. I got in some digs by yelling out "Hair Ball" after each mixed basket (get it? Cougars (cat) hair ball). Got a few dirty looks from the BYU stus. Had to give that up though as they were sure missing a lot of shots :) I got tired of my own yelling - 3-4 times on some possessions :) I'm glad we got to play SMC instead of BYU. I just like SMC better as a BB team.

During the final game you could sure see that the Zags were enjoying themselves and were collectively on fire. I sure liked how on J3 was during the early part of the game (not meaning that he wasn't 'on' all game). He sure set an early tone that the Zags were not going to be denied the championship. I sure like J3. And what's so special about this team is that there are so many Zags one can pick to feel the same about. DEPTH and DEFENSE are the two main qualities of this team that will make beating the Zags during the NCAAs a really, really hard thing to do. Toss in CHARACTER and DETERMINATION and ..... a heck of a formidable rescipe for tasty NCAA treats! Go Zags!

DixieZag
03-11-2017, 09:30 AM
I guess it doesn't matter to them that we're 3-0 at their place in the last 3 years? That is respect in a perverse way.

Zagger
03-11-2017, 09:41 AM
A couple of panos .... The pregame before the final game and the final game. You can see by the coats worn in the pregame pano that Vegas isn't always a safe bet you'll be hanging out by the pool between games. It has gotten up into the 80s there right after we left.

http://www.sbaran.net/zags/PrePano.jpg

http://www.sbaran.net/zags/OrleansPano.jpg

maynard g krebs
03-11-2017, 10:32 AM
I am a long time Duke fan as well as a long time Gonzaga fan. I have a son who is a student at Gonzaga. He also is both a Gonzaga and a Duke fan. Please don't lower yourself to the standards set by ESPN in being critical of Grayson Allen. Clearly Grayson Allen has made mistakes. So have I and so have everyone of you. The difference is that Grayson Allen has had to make his mistakes with a bunch of television cameras zoomed in on him. Before you are critical of a 20 year old kid making mistakes you might want to take a look in the mirror. I'd be willing to bet some of the mistakes we have all made are much worse than the ones Allen had made. Grayson Allen is a son, a brother, a teammate and a friend just like all of us. Keep that in mind when you decide to be critical of him. Personally I think Grayson Allen would be a fine role model. He will graduate this Spring from Duke University in 3 years while playing college basketball. He has been an academic All-American. He is clearly a very bright kid with a very bright future regardless of what role basketball plays in his future. He has his education and no one can ever take that away from him. Focus on the positives of Gonzaga basketball and quit picking on a kid that has made some mistakes and is paying for them dearly.

Not gonna fly here. Sorry. Dirty player. Yes I did some dumb things in my youth, but trying to hurt people on the basketball court (or anywhere else) was not among them.

MDABE80
03-11-2017, 12:18 PM
Good player but he keeps finding diverse ways to screw up. Game after game too. Smart kid but geeeeez.

spud_chance
03-11-2017, 08:07 PM
Oh Please.

Yes we all made our mistakes when we were in our late teens and early 20's and yes we did not make them in front of a camera. Grayson Allen may be highly intelligent and he certainly has elite basketball skills, however that does not mean he is even a "good" person let alone a role model.

Most of us learn from our mistakes, and most of us rarely repeat these mistakes. Mr. Allen, not only has frequently made the same mistakes over and over again, he knows he is on tv and in the spotlight and yet he continues to act as if the rules do not apply to him. Mr. Allen may be a fine young gentlemen but he is a fine young gentlemen that routinely acts like an ass. He has brought these issues onto himself and as far as I am concerned, Grayson has nobody to blame but himself.

Until he shows me otherwise, I feel Grayson Allen has gotten away with this behavior most of his life (remember the Affluenza defense used by the teen in the Texas in the fatal drunk driving case) and will continue to behave in this manner until something or someone puts a stop to it. Grayson Allen may not be a bad person but his behavior, has been on many occasions, abhorrent and certainly nothing to be proud of.

I also take a major issue with Coach "K". By not "correcting" Grayson Allen's behavior, he has clearly shown that winning basketball games at Duke is more important than clearing up the behavior of the members of his team. I understand big time basketball, however, his acceptance of this on-going boorish behavior has significantly reduced my respect for the Coach.

ZagDad

Agree that Grayson Allen made the same mistake more than once. However, it seems only fair to consider the severity of his mistakes. He clearly has difficulty controlling his emotions. He hasn't hurt anyone. You could make your argument about numerous college players that have made mistakes. Bottom line is he is still a kid and he is still learning. Perhaps if you walked in his shoes you would feel differently. Read the story in the link below. Two days before he tripped the player in the Elon game he went through a very difficult emotional experience that was likely not an easy situation for a 20 year old kid to handle. It is easy for all of us to sit back and pick on a 20 year old kid. Before getting angry with anyone it is always a good idea to remember you have no idea what their emotions are at any given time. Again, I'm a Gonzaga fan as well as a Duke fan and if they face each other this year I will be rooting for Gonzaga, but the picking on of Grayson Allen has gone too far.

http://jacksonville.com/metro/columnists/mark-woods/2017-03-11/mark-woods-when-grayson-met-savannah-grayson-allen-moment

ZagDad84
03-11-2017, 11:17 PM
Agree that Grayson Allen made the same mistake more than once. However, it seems only fair to consider the severity of his mistakes. He clearly has difficulty controlling his emotions. He hasn't hurt anyone. You could make your argument about numerous college players that have made mistakes. Bottom line is he is still a kid and he is still learning. Perhaps if you walked in his shoes you would feel differently. Read the story in the link below. Two days before he tripped the player in the Elon game he went through a very difficult emotional experience that was likely not an easy situation for a 20 year old kid to handle. It is easy for all of us to sit back and pick on a 20 year old kid. Before getting angry with anyone it is always a good idea to remember you have no idea what their emotions are at any given time. Again, I'm a Gonzaga fan as well as a Duke fan and if they face each other this year I will be rooting for Gonzaga, but the picking on of Grayson Allen has gone too far. [

Spud, Here is my last comment on Mr. Allen.

We are not "picking" on Grayson Allen. He is obviously a very intelligent and very gifted young man. I am glad for his visit for the young woman. I am sure it made her last few months much more enjoyable. It was a very nice gesture and not something that was required. Well Done.

What we are "picking" on is his behavior, not the person, specifically his behavior on the court. He has not hurt anybody through sheer luck, nothing Grayson has done to prevent injuries to the other players. Like a drunk driving the wrong way on a freeway and not hitting anything. Grayson has intentionally "tripped" people at least three times over the past 2 years, at least one kick to the plums and walked through another teams huddle during a time-out on the way to the Duke bench inciting the other team. Mr. Grayson continues to behave in this manner because well-meaning people such as yourself continue to provide justification for his behavior where there is no justification. If he needs help, Duke University, Coach "K" his family and any other number of sources could have and perhaps should have provided that help and maybe they have. On the other hand, maybe it is not help Grayson needs. Perhaps had he been sat down last year after the first trip and then sat down longer after the second trip this year, he would have learned about consequences for his actions.

Let's all hope he cleans up his behavior before he goes to the NBA where injuries resulting from his actions could cost a player millions and somebody could very easily go all Bill Lambeer on him.

Spud, as I said above, not picking on the player, picking on his behavior which needs serious adjustment. Hopefully he learns this before somebody, including himself gets seriously hurt.

ZagDad

Zagger
03-12-2017, 03:59 AM
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