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jazzdelmar
02-03-2017, 05:53 AM
Few needs to develop a 9th player.....though it may be late..Thoughts?

ZagMan in Philly
02-03-2017, 06:14 AM
Don't need to. Zags can win it all with this 8 man rotation, especially if NGW can put the team on his back.
Question for you Jazz, do you think they can get to the Final 4?

GoZags
02-03-2017, 06:23 AM
Few needs to develop a 9th player.....though it may be late..Thoughts?

Bryan Alberts is clearly GU's 9th man ... and Few has the utmost confidence in him if/when he's needed to step up.

jazzdelmar
02-03-2017, 06:26 AM
Bryan Alberts is clearly GU's 9th man ... and Few has the utmost confidence in him if/when he's needed to step up.

OK, but Jones has subbed in before BA in some situations, but I don't think either is on the first page of the depth chart...Last night was instructive, even with a great 8, foul trouble and god forfend an injury could leave GU short handed.....I prefer Triano to BA, but that's just me...a whole lot more confident.

GoZags
02-03-2017, 06:41 AM
OK, but Jones has subbed in before BA in some situations, but I don't think either is on the first page of the depth chart...Last night was instructive, even with a great 8, foul trouble and god forfend an injury could leave GU short handed.....I prefer Triano to BA, but that's just me...a whole lot more confident.

I think Few was in NCAA tournament mode last night ... i.e. the short bench. I thought they'd have gone 10 deep ... but 8 deep did the job. Amazing half the rotation had 4 fouls yet nobody fouled out.

thespywhozaggedme
02-03-2017, 06:43 AM
Few needs to develop a 9th player.....though it may be late..Thoughts?

How many teams are 7 deep, let alone 8 like us? What team in the country goes 8 deep without a drop off? After the game last night KAra lawson and Jeff Goodman were gushing about our depth.

former1dog
02-03-2017, 06:47 AM
Few needs to develop a 9th player.....though it may be late..Thoughts?

Situationally dependent.

I think, against my own frustration with his conditioning, that Edwards is completely serviceable and ready to contribute in a given situation should he be needed.

I'm similarly confident in Bryan Alberts. Bryan has been in pressure situations in games and not messed up. He didn't necessarily shine, but he didn't lose any games for us.

Triano is a completely unknown quantity in any type of pressure situation, so despite evidence that he is a good player, I wouldn't be calling his number in a big game.

Jones and Rui I think are SNL (not ready for prime time), although I would love it if Rui could be developed but we're running out of time.

U Zig, I Zag
02-03-2017, 06:48 AM
Yah, I would say Alberts is the guy.

gonzagafan62
02-03-2017, 07:21 AM
Idk I think we have a good enough rotation. Last four national champions (this is what I've heard didn't look it up) have run 2 point guard systems. Perkins and NWG are great.

I'm with you though while our "depth" is being hushed about by pundits I do think you have a legit question about the backcourt. It's not really "deep" I wouldn't say. Let's be real here. Front court outstanding. No question. But backcourt is NWG, Perkins, Mathews, and Melson.... That means three of the four have to play at all times. I wonder if Jeremy or Norvell hadn't gotten hurt early if we'd see one of them have a bigger role in the offense.

We can still win it all with 8, but it'd be a lot better if we had one more guy .... Alberts is good but I'm not so sure how he'd do in big time situations. We haven't really ever seen him in one

TexasZagFan
02-03-2017, 07:30 AM
Idk I think we have a good enough rotation. Last four national champions (this is what I've heard didn't look it up) have run 2 point guard systems. Perkins and NWG are great.

I'm with you though while our "depth" is being hushed about by pundits I do think you have a legit question about the backcourt. It's not really "deep" I wouldn't say. Let's be real here. Front court outstanding. No question. But backcourt is NWG, Perkins, Mathews, and Melson.... That means three of the four have to play at all times. I wonder if Jeremy or Norvell hadn't gotten hurt early if we'd see one of them have a bigger role in the offense.

We can still win it all with 8, but it'd be a lot better if we had one more guy .... Alberts is good but I'm not so sure how he'd do in big time situations. We haven't really ever seen him in one

We're not having this discussion if Matthews gets his shot back. Last night, we had several players that had a sub-par shooting night. Might have been due to the background at the Marriott...too many shots hit the front of the rim. Completely different than the bandbox we know as McKeon Pavilion:

https://s3-media2.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/pDS4YaeEdlbBp3oS3VT9SQ/o.jpg

There is no way that SMC can bring the same volume/energy as 19,000 screaming fans, though it will be loud.

CDC84
02-03-2017, 08:12 AM
If you look at most national title teams, they run a 7 man rotation with one backup big and one backup guard. Maybe an 8th guy who is a pretty good player in case someone gets hurt or unusual foul problems start. Once you get to a 9th guy, you ain't beating Arizona, Kansas or Villanova. Moreover, it's a sign that you're team is not defending well enough to deserve to win.

Teams that run a big rotation....it almost never works. Even Calipari's "platoon system" didn't work. At the end of the day, it got whittled down to 7 players.

scott257
02-03-2017, 11:02 AM
My not so good side was wanting to see Edwards go out just to inflict some pain on Kafusi. I like to see us play tough teams but my level of respect for Rose when he plays an obvious hack like Kafusi is low. He doesn't add anything positive to the game.

mgadfly
02-03-2017, 11:21 AM
Wichita State and Michigan State both have deep rotations this year. I think they could both do really well. Last year both UNC and Nova had 8 man rotations. Duke had an eight man rotation and won it over Wisconsin and their 7 man rotation in 2015. UCONN had an eight man rotation and defeated Kentucky's 7 man rotation in 2014. Michigan played 9, but it was really more like a 6 man rotation and they lost to a 9 man rotation that was really a 7 man rotation in the tournament for Louisville in 2013.

I'd say that GU has the depth and rotation of the typical national champion right now. Adding a 9th man that isn't a specialist for a few minutes per game probably just messes up the flow and rhythm for the other 8. I think Alberts, Jones, Edwards, and Rui all have the ability to be a specialist type guy if someone gets injured or there is foul trouble in a tournament game. But forcing the rotation to give them minutes is probably too disruptive at this point. I mean, things seem to be going pretty well how they are.

Zagger
02-03-2017, 11:23 AM
Yah, I would say Alberts is the guy.

Me too.

I know it won't happen but I'd like to see these five start a game, play 5-10 mins, and see how they do: Alberts, Melson, Jones, Tillie and Collins. I bet they'd beat most WCC teams - if not all. The bench would be deep :)

btzag
02-03-2017, 11:46 AM
Not gonna happen this year. In fact he has shown he is willing to move to a 7 man rotation (when Tillie was out). Pretty hard to argue with the on-court results also...

roxdoc
02-03-2017, 11:59 AM
If there is a 9th it's Alberts not much impact but doesn't embarrass himself. Edwards will do in a pinch. Rui is getting a bit better

Triano hits 3's but does not seem to play any D of consequence.

tinfoilzag
02-03-2017, 12:29 PM
When it's foul trouble, I would like to see J.Jones more because of his excellent defense. His size and athleticism could really help if we are having foul trouble which is usually a result of the other team having someone we can't stay in front of or rebound against. With him in, we would still have 4 other offensive options on the floor.

I'm not sure what his primary liability is because I've only seen good things from his defense and rebounding. It's not a hit on him considering who's playing in front of him.

former1dog
02-05-2017, 05:28 AM
We'll Jazz, you didn't have to wait long to find your answer. Alberts stepped up and played great.

ZionZag
02-05-2017, 06:30 AM
Wichita State and Michigan State both have deep rotations this year. I think they could both do really well. Last year both UNC and Nova had 8 man rotations. Duke had an eight man rotation and won it over Wisconsin and their 7 man rotation in 2015. UCONN had an eight man rotation and defeated Kentucky's 7 man rotation in 2014. Michigan played 9, but it was really more like a 6 man rotation and they lost to a 9 man rotation that was really a 7 man rotation in the tournament for Louisville in 2013.

I'd say that GU has the depth and rotation of the typical national champion right now. Adding a 9th man that isn't a specialist for a few minutes per game probably just messes up the flow and rhythm for the other 8. I think Alberts, Jones, Edwards, and Rui all have the ability to be a specialist type guy if someone gets injured or there is foul trouble in a tournament game. But forcing the rotation to give them minutes is probably too disruptive at this point. I mean, things seem to be going pretty well how they are.

For discussion, what are the minutes played to be considered "rotation".....10-12, 12-15, or 15-18 or 18-20???.....I have my own understanding but I don't recall seeing "the rules of understanding" for this discussion on this site. Could be that all the posts are referring to different numbers.....Just wondering

jazzdelmar
02-05-2017, 06:31 AM
We'll Jazz, you didn't have to wait long to find your answer. Alberts stepped up and played great.

"Great?" 1-4, 1 rebound? Eye of the beholder, I guess. Josh was great, Mathews was great, Collins was very good, and so on.....

Sarenyon
02-05-2017, 07:02 AM
Thought that Alberts did well, nothing super exciting, but a good job. Helped run the offense, played very good D from my perspective, and no sizable drop off while he was on the floor. Glad we have him if we need him.

former1dog
02-05-2017, 07:23 AM
"Great?" 1-4, 1 rebound? Eye of the beholder, I guess. Josh was great, Mathews was great, Collins was very good, and so on.....


Defense Jazz... Did you notice who he was defending? Did that WCC all time great score on him?

How many turnovers? Did he hurt the team while playing or was his contribution neutral and/or positive?

Lets make sure we have the correct perspective while judging the contributions of the "ninth" man.

mgadfly
02-05-2017, 07:42 AM
For discussion, what are the minutes played to be considered "rotation".....10-12, 12-15, or 15-18 or 18-20???.....I have my own understanding but I don't recall seeing "the rules of understanding" for this discussion on this site. Could be that all the posts are referring to different numbers.....Just wondering

I was just eye-balling it. Counting guys that played in most every game and 25% or more of the minutes. I was trying not to count guys that play in 80% of the games but only in garbage time.

GoZags
02-05-2017, 08:27 AM
Defense Jazz... Did you notice who he was defending? Did that WCC all time great score on him?

How many turnovers? Did he hurt the team while playing or was his contribution neutral and/or positive?

Lets make sure we have the correct perspective while judging the contributions of the "ninth" man.

Bingo. One would "think" that the self proclaimed expert on guardplay would understand ....

former1dog
02-05-2017, 08:29 AM
Bingo. One would "think" that the self proclaimed expert on guardplay would understand ....

To be fair, Brownridge did score on Alberts. A highly contested 3 where Alberts closed out as well as could be expected and nearly blocking the shot, other than that it was a shut out.

jazzdelmar
02-05-2017, 08:38 AM
Defense Jazz... Did you notice who he was defending? Did that WCC all time great score on him?

How many turnovers? Did he hurt the team while playing or was his contribution neutral and/or positive?

Lets make sure we have the correct perspective while judging the contributions of the "ninth" man.

He was fine. You said great.

former1dog
02-05-2017, 08:43 AM
He was fine. You said great.

Given the context, I stand by my statement. How many great players have been made to look ordinary by Brownridge?