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CDC84
01-30-2017, 11:07 AM
If you removed Gonzaga from the WCC and made it a 9 team league, where do you think the WCC would stand in the kenpom.com conference rankings? Just take a guess. No need to be super precise, but if you can be, go for it.

RenoZag
01-30-2017, 11:22 AM
If you average the Ken Pom SOS ranking for the 9 remaining teams, you come up with an average ranking of 173. There are 351 Division 1 schools. . .so by that metric the WCC falls roughly in the middle of the pack.

WCC (w/o GU ) would be. . .14th or 15th out of 32 conferences in Ken Pom's conference rankings ??

maynard g krebs
01-30-2017, 11:28 AM
15-18. Just a guess.

gaels87
01-30-2017, 11:31 AM
Here is a pretty good comp....Mo Valley & they are at 12 with a few different services

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/groupId/18

or

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

RenoZag
01-30-2017, 05:41 PM
If you removed Gonzaga from the WCC and made it a 9 team league, where do you think the WCC would stand in the kenpom.com conference rankings? Just take a guess. No need to be super precise, but if you can be, go for it.

So do you have the answer to this one question quiz or were you just wondering out loud, CDC ? :)

CDC84
01-30-2017, 08:37 PM
Just wondering out loud. I know there are some real kenpom.com experts here. When it comes to math, I can count the amount of tacos I have consumed.

thegloriousgoateeofKP
01-30-2017, 09:29 PM
The more relevant question, in my opinion, would be: "If you removed Gonzaga from the WCC...as well as the top-ranked team from every other conference...where would the WCC rank?"

jazzdelmar
01-31-2017, 03:26 AM
The more relevant question, in my opinion, would be: "If you removed Gonzaga from the WCC...as well as the top-ranked team from every other conference...where would the WCC rank?"

Apples and oranges. And prob not much diff. Would like to see wretched wcc rank sans gu AND smc.

thegloriousgoateeofKP
01-31-2017, 06:42 AM
Apples and oranges. And prob not much diff. Would like to see wretched wcc rank sans gu AND smc.

How is it apples and oranges?

In the Big Sky, for example, Weber St. is 39 spots ahead of the 2nd-place team, and a comfortable 150ish spots ahead of the majority of the rest.

UT Arlington in the Sun Belt...20+ spots better than second place, 150ish better than the rest.

Metro Athletic (I'm choosing these at random, by the way): Monmouth is at 92, Iona at 119, everyone else waaaay down there in the high 100s or 200s.

Keep going? In the Ohio Valley, Belmont at 76 is the only team within SHOUTING DISTANCE of the top 100. They're at 76. The rest check in in the mid-100s, and plenty are in the 200s.

My goodness, the America East! Vermont, 66. Everyone else, dreck.

Valpo is the only top-100 team in the Horizon League. Oakland is at 127. Everyone else? Dreck.

Conference USA is a shell of its former self. Middle Tennessee is a good team, #46. And Louisiana Tech is top 100. There's a few other teams in the 120s, but after that, we're talking 200s and 300s.

The point is: Having one or two teams be head and shoulders above the rest is not rare; it's common. The only difference is that in the WCC, it's the same team every year that's head and shoulders above the rest. Seems to change more often in these other conferences. But take the #1 team out of ANY conference, and yeah, its numbers are gonna suffer.

GoZags
01-31-2017, 06:50 AM
Apples and oranges. And prob not much diff. Would like to see wretched wcc rank sans gu AND smc.

If that's what you want, then take the available data and work the numbers. And if you think the results are noteworthy, then post your results.

I fail to see the relevance of what you're seeking ... but obviously you (and others) do. So have at it.

TexasZagFan
01-31-2017, 07:00 AM
If that's what you want, then take the available data and work the numbers. And if you think the results are noteworthy, then post your results.

I fail to see the relevance of what you're seeking ... but obviously you (and others) do. So have at it.

You know it's getting bad when I stay away from WCC bashing threads. I said my piece, and have moved on. I'd rather get back to enjoying the ride, and getting ready for the next game.

I'm actually more optimistic for the conference's future. The new coaching hires have, for the most part, paid off for their respective schools.

ZaggyDog
01-31-2017, 07:24 AM
WCC isn't so bad. The distribution when you run the numbers is pretty Gaussian with about 6 teams on the right edge and 6 on the left. WCC is right outside the right edge by 2-3 leagues at Rank 9 (3.735). Without Gonzaga, they are 13 (0.465), without Gonzaga and SMC they are 17 (-2.364). The WCC resembles most other mid-level conferences with 3-4 teams above 0, 3-4 around 0, and 3-4 below zero. If a couple of the WCC teams improve like SF has this year, then WCCcould easily move into 7th. With some real growth we could supplant the P12.

Data is below if you want to play with the numbers. Might be fun to see just how much better each of the wCC teams would have to be, especially considering that GU is unlikely to keep a 33 year in and year out.

Cheers -


Rank Conf Ave KP
1 B12 19.368
2 ACC 17.06
3 BE 14.861
4 B10 13.743
5 SEC 12.644
6 P12 9.469
7 Amer 6.518
8 A10 4.226
9 WCC 3.735
10 MVC 3.548
11 MWC 2.641
12 CAA 0.494
13 MAC -0.75
14 SC -0.914
15 SB -0.991
16 Sum -2.203
17 Ivy -2.259
18 MAAC -3.239
19 Horz -3.392
20 CUSA -3.489
21 OVC -4.637
22 WAC -4.821
23 Pat -4.836
24 AE -5.554
25 Asun -6.291
26 Snld -8.237
27 Bsky -8.303
28 Bsouth -9.303
29 BW -9.392
30 NEC -11.073
31 MEAC -16.895
32 SWAC -17.494

ZagsObserver
01-31-2017, 07:54 AM
WCC isn't so bad. The distribution when you run the numbers is pretty Gaussian with about 6 teams on the right edge and 6 on the left. WCC is right outside the right edge by 2-3 leagues at Rank 9 (3.735). Without Gonzaga, they are 13 (0.465), without Gonzaga and SMC they are 17 (-2.364). The WCC resembles most other mid-level conferences with 3-4 teams above 0, 3-4 around 0, and 3-4 below zero. If a couple of the WCC teams improve like SF has this year, then WCCcould easily move into 7th. With some real growth we could supplant the P12.

Data is below if you want to play with the numbers. Might be fun to see just how much better each of the wCC teams would have to be, especially considering that GU is unlikely to keep a 33 year in and year out.

Cheers -


Rank Conf Ave KP
1 B12 19.368
2 ACC 17.06
3 BE 14.861
4 B10 13.743
5 SEC 12.644
6 P12 9.469
7 Amer 6.518
8 A10 4.226
9 WCC 3.735
10 MVC 3.548
11 MWC 2.641
12 CAA 0.494
13 MAC -0.75
14 SC -0.914
15 SB -0.991
16 Sum -2.203
17 Ivy -2.259
18 MAAC -3.239
19 Horz -3.392
20 CUSA -3.489
21 OVC -4.637
22 WAC -4.821
23 Pat -4.836
24 AE -5.554
25 Asun -6.291
26 Snld -8.237
27 Bsky -8.303
28 Bsouth -9.303
29 BW -9.392
30 NEC -11.073
31 MEAC -16.895
32 SWAC -17.494

After the top 7 conferences, the standings don't mean much. They are all pretty mediocre and not a whole lot separates most of the teams. Take the top 3 teams out of the WCC and it's a terrible conference, as are most of the conferences in college basketball.