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Zagdawg
05-31-2016, 01:31 PM
Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 18m18 minutes ago
Cal’s Jordan Mathews averaged 13.5 points and shot 42 percent from 3 last season. Just told ESPN he is leaving and will be a grad transfer.

Zagdawg
05-31-2016, 01:33 PM
Jim Meehan Retweeted
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 7m7 minutes ago
Gonzaga is the early favorite to land Cal transfer Jordan Mathews, sources told @CBSSports. Makes perfect sense for both sides.

Coach Crazy
05-31-2016, 02:15 PM
This makes things so much sweeter.

Kiddwell
05-31-2016, 02:22 PM
Jim Meehan Retweeted
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 7m7 minutes ago
Gonzaga is the early favorite to land Cal transfer Jordan Mathews, sources told @CBSSports. Makes perfect sense for both sides.

Position, size? OK, guard - 6'3'

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Coach Crazy
05-31-2016, 02:23 PM
Position, size?

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6-3 or 6-4 around 200-ish pounds. Could play 2 and 3.

Zags_Fanatic
05-31-2016, 07:09 PM
An athletic wing that can shoot lights out from 3 would be an OUTSTANDING addition to this season's roster. Mathews is a grad transfer from Cal, eligible immediately and causes no issues with our scholarship situation for 2017. Please let this be true, I just hope Cuonzo doesn't try to put transfer restrictions on 2016-2017 opponents.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/ncaa/source-cals-mathews-graduate-plans-transfer-gonzaga

whatazag
05-31-2016, 07:29 PM
If true, gotta wonder who will be departing (or not arriving).

Zagdawg
05-31-2016, 07:30 PM
Sabonis departed and opened the scholarship up-- we had one opening for 1 year.

bartruff1
05-31-2016, 07:32 PM
This is getting to be a trend and a very positive one....good students....good players with proven ability....wanting to win and go to the NCAA.....fingers crossed....

whatazag
05-31-2016, 07:35 PM
Sabonis departed and opened the scholarship up-- we had one opening for 1 year.

Ah ya, for some reason I thought we were full already.

Can never have too many shooters, especially when we are losing our best one.

seacatfan
05-31-2016, 07:37 PM
That's a huge blow to Cal. They got unexpected good news with Rabb returning for a second year, but this pretty much evens it out. Outside of Rabb and Bird (who has never shown any consistency in 3 years) there isn't a whole lot left.

23dpg
05-31-2016, 07:41 PM
An athletic wing that can shoot lights out from 3 would be an OUTSTANDING addition to this season's roster. Mathews is a grad transfer from Cal, eligible immediately and causes no issues with our scholarship situation for 2017. Please let this be true, I just hope Cuonzo doesn't try to put transfer restrictions on 2016-2017 opponents.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/ncaa/source-cals-mathews-graduate-plans-transfer-gonzaga

I don't think the Cal coach will have any say in this. Grad transfers can go to any school that qualifies.
Gonzaga keeps getting High-quality Pac12 transfers!?! Heady times.

sittingon50
05-31-2016, 07:45 PM
Well, it's kinda' been crickets around here for awhile....

P.S.

poster on dawn's board says he's going to USC to play with little brother.

thespywhozaggedme
05-31-2016, 07:57 PM
Good get, but man, if we go with a 3 guard lineup of Perk, NWG and Matthews we will be really undersized, none of those guys are over 6'3.

seacatfan
05-31-2016, 08:11 PM
Good get, but man, if we go with a 3 guard lineup of Perk, NWG and Matthews we will be really undersized, none of those guys are over 6'3.

Kansas won a Championship not all that long ago with a 3 guard rotation of guys around that size or shorter. Just sayin'. 'Nova wasn't a real tall team last year. If dudes can shoot and play ball, what's the problem?

hondo
05-31-2016, 08:13 PM
Jordan is thick and strong, plays much bigger than his height.

cjm720
05-31-2016, 08:17 PM
Unbelievable get...kudos to staff and program and of course JM!!

Zagdawg
05-31-2016, 08:24 PM
USC has 9 guards on their roster---don't see him going there.

The lineup would be taller than Pangos/Bell/Stockton and we survived just fine during those years --all three of this years starting guards would be 6'3" experienced players-- the funny thing is only Perkins has the most Big Dance game experience-- more than the other two Pac 12 guards combined--- probably why so many transfers land here--they want to experience the post season.

MDABE80
05-31-2016, 08:30 PM
Good get, but man, if we go with a 3 guard lineup of Perk, NWG and Matthews we will be really undersized, none of those guys are over 6'3.

They all are..........6 3 and up. Spy was this a joke??

tyra
05-31-2016, 08:38 PM
What's the word on his defensive skills?

raise the zag
05-31-2016, 08:38 PM
4*, Top-75 kid outta HS.

Considered one of the top 3-pt shooting prospects during HS and in his 3 years at Cal.

Career 42+% 3pt shooter. Over 460 attempts. Outstanding.

That's Pangos-level accuracy.

Gotta wonder how this impacts Silas Melson or Zach Norvell?

A terrific get, if confirmed, yet what about fit? Lockerroom fit?

Both of the aforementioned expect playing time, a lot of it. This could create tension/ripples, yet Jordan Mathews is proven and highly regarded.

He was scouted as an NBA-level perimeter shooter.

I'd love to see him join our squad. Best backcourt in the country? Top-3 hands down.

He averaged 14 ppg on a Cal team with two 1st Round NBA players. Says it all. His #'s our good.

Doesn't really "project" as a 3, but could learn the way.

Have to wonder if this is a rumor or he mentioned passing interest. No confirmations via ESPN or reputable sites.

He was a SG last season. Our guard duo is SET IN STONE. Williams-Goss and Perkins. Done.

He'd have to be wiling to play off guard and second fiddle.

I will wait and see on this one…curious though…

He had 28 vs Zona, 23 in their NCAA game, etc.

MDABE80
05-31-2016, 08:42 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/cals-most-proficient-3-point-shooter-in-2015-16-will-depart-as-a-graduate-transfer/

BULLDOG#1
05-31-2016, 09:00 PM
Good get, maybe... But sucks for Silas Melson. I think Melson is primed for a breakout year. does Norvell then redshirt?
Definite logjam at the 2

zagamatic
05-31-2016, 09:13 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/cals-most-proficient-3-point-shooter-in-2015-16-will-depart-as-a-graduate-transfer/

I particularly like this at the end of the article "Overall though, this is a rough departure for Cal and a big victory for whoever picks up Mathews' services for next season, as he's likely the best graduate transfer on the market."

DixieZag
06-01-2016, 05:00 AM
A guy who average 13 a game on a team that wasn't bad, though crapped out in first round, is the type that wouldn't come if he wasn't planning on big minutes.

Great get.

jazzdelmar
06-01-2016, 05:03 AM
A guy who average 13 a game on a team that wasn't bad, though crapped out in first round, is the type that wouldn't come if he wasn't planning on big minutes.

Great get.

Agree. Starting spot is at least implicit.....following the BW model.

Goshzagit
06-01-2016, 05:28 AM
Get to know Jordan and his family:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh7KhCGfsnU

Great kid, high level shooter. Can find his own shot along the perimeter, passes decently. Terrific student as well.

Cal's "Klay Thompson" last 2 seasons. He's strong, solid athlete (not great), and a willing defender.

Has Gary Bell's shooting, raw strength, leadership, yet not that type of lock-down defender.

An interesting fit if he officially decides us, would have to play in a 3-guard lineup, which the Coaches have relayed this message...

ps. Norvell has ZERO plans to RS, expects to contribute immediately and in a big way.

thespywhozaggedme
06-01-2016, 05:42 AM
6-3 or 6-4 around 200-ish pounds. Could play 2 and 3.

I think he's closer to 6 1/2 to 6'2 in real life.

thespywhozaggedme
06-01-2016, 05:44 AM
They all are..........6 3 and up. Spy was this a joke??

"and up"? In real life I don't think any of them are 6'3, but they're all great players in their own right, so I hope it works, but Matthews played the 2 last year at cal and now we'll be asking him to play and defend the sf spot.

exclusivelee
06-01-2016, 05:59 AM
Jordan Mathews measured in at 6'3.5" at both the Lebron James camp & the Kevin Durant camp in the summer of 2012. Should be at least 6'2" barefoot. The Gonzaga roster page shows every player's height with shoes. But undetmeasured a couple years like with heights for Wesley & McClellan in '15

DixieZag
06-01-2016, 06:01 AM
Certainly fits the "Wessley Standard" in terms of quality kid, family, student - guy's got "future coach" written all over him in his interview/persona.

vandalzag
06-01-2016, 06:27 AM
Agree. Starting spot is at least implicit.....following the BW model.

Agreed. Spot is his to lose. Best players will play and if he comes will be a great addition. The shooting is much needed. He is leaving a place where he would have been option 1A so he must be looking for bigger and better things. Always impressed when a D1 athlete can graduate in 3 years.

Goshzagit
06-01-2016, 06:39 AM
Donny Daniels recruited Jordan in 2012, and Coach Few approved of an offer being extended.

The staff is well aware of him, his playing style, and his make-up.

We were one of the few schools to offer Jordan early.

He has since flourished in College and shown he can handle the work on and off the court. Well respected by everyone in his life, family, professors, teammates, coaches, etc.

He'd fit the Zag persona and family quite well.

He's no "Small Forward" per se, yet could play the "3" and the "2" in a 3-guard lineup, which we were forced to do this season anyway. If a kid with his skills and his personality and his talent wants to come to GU, you don't say no at the expense of other's potential playing time.

They will buy in.

thespywhozaggedme
06-01-2016, 07:12 AM
Jordan Mathews measured in at 6'3.5" at both the Lebron James camp & the Kevin Durant camp in the summer of 2012. Should be at least 6'2" barefoot. The Gonzaga roster page shows every player's height with shoes. But undetmeasured a couple years like with heights for Wesley & McClellan in '15

That's good, but he's still shorter than EMAC and BWES. it's gonna be a lot to ask him to guard the 3 when he's been an sg all his life, but he's a great shooter.

thespywhozaggedme
06-01-2016, 07:13 AM
Certainly fits the "Wessley Standard" in terms of quality kid, family, student - guy's got "future coach" written all over him in his interview/persona.

Agreed.

Coach Crazy
06-01-2016, 07:28 AM
4*, Top-75 kid outta HS.

Considered one of the top 3-pt shooting prospects during HS and in his 3 years at Cal.

Career 42+% 3pt shooter. Over 460 attempts. Outstanding.

That's Pangos-level accuracy.

Gotta wonder how this impacts Silas Melson or Zach Norvell?

A terrific get, if confirmed, yet what about fit? Lockerroom fit?

Both of the aforementioned expect playing time, a lot of it. This could create tension/ripples, yet Jordan Mathews is proven and highly regarded.

He was scouted as an NBA-level perimeter shooter.

I'd love to see him join our squad. Best backcourt in the country? Top-3 hands down.

He averaged 14 ppg on a Cal team with two 1st Round NBA players. Says it all. His #'s our good.

Doesn't really "project" as a 3, but could learn the way.

Have to wonder if this is a rumor or he mentioned passing interest. No confirmations via ESPN or reputable sites.

He was a SG last season. Our guard duo is SET IN STONE. Williams-Goss and Perkins. Done.

He'd have to be wiling to play off guard and second fiddle.

I will wait and see on this one…curious though…

He had 28 vs Zona, 23 in their NCAA game, etc.

As far as his shooting, he actually shot 3's nearly as well as he shot 2's. And if I am not mistaken, he shot more 3's than 2's. With the way he play's, I am not seeing a negative to him playing the wing. Especially in this system. What I would want to see is how his offensive efficiency is affected by having less USG%. I would hope it would result in less turnovers and a shot or two more from 3. And if he is genuinely 6-4/200-ish, he's nearly as big as KD. So, could play the wing.

He's a smart, composed kid. I imagine a kid like that (with the maturity, education, and exposure to diversity) would be a welcomed addition as a leader and a buoying presence.

We agree: "He's a player we like".

Reborn
06-01-2016, 07:34 AM
This would be great. You can NEVER have too many really good players and shooters. The stars will rise to the top. Should be a very competitive pre-season. I do not believe that Few will you a 3 guard offense any more than he has in the past. He will use it some. We need to remember that Gonzaga also has some pretty good post players, and imo, Mark Few likes a two post, high and low, offense best. Collins and Norvell expect to play immediately, so this is a surprise. But a good one.

Kiddwell
06-01-2016, 08:16 AM
Kiddwell's happy but withholding outright glee till something official's announced. :pray: Wonder if Mathews talked to Wesley, who was really happy about his Zag decision.


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gonzagafan62
06-01-2016, 09:38 AM
Kiddwell's happy but withholding outright glee till something official's announced. :pray: Wonder if Mathews talked to Wesley, who was really happy about his Zag decision.


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This. I've been burned too many times to get too excited until he announces

webspinnre
06-01-2016, 09:45 AM
This. I've been burned too many times to get too excited until he announces

Yep. Only seen one actual report - everyone else is referencing the same source. Here's hoping it's true.

bballbeachbum
06-03-2016, 01:02 PM
he'd be a sweet get. SF kid, loved him at Cal, competes and plays hard, nice stroke, improving

Reborn
06-03-2016, 04:53 PM
Kiddwell's happy but withholding outright glee till something official's announced. :pray: Wonder if Mathews talked to Wesley, who was really happy about his Zag decision.


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OMG! Yes Byron Wesley was unbelievably so good for Gonzaga. If Mathews can be that good, and fit it like Wesley did, he WILL have a starting role, just like Byron had.

ZagaZags
06-03-2016, 07:31 PM
I talked to a guy in the USC Athletic Dept. ( same guy that confirmed the USC v BYU & Gonzaga v Arizona games were a go, just not announced yet, a few months ago.) He told me that he is hearing Mathews will be a Zag. Keep in mind, he told me GU v Arizona would be the 2nd game. Looks like GU is playing the first game vs Arizona. It is possible ESPN will dictate who plays when.

Welcome to Gonzaga Jordan Mathews.

http://www.allmystery.de/i/t4292fb_dog-carrying-puppy-in-a-bag.gif

Goshzagit
06-04-2016, 07:12 AM
USC is a rumor, Gonzaga is not.

zag67
06-04-2016, 12:15 PM
Gosh, please explain. Thanks, I do not understand.

jazzdelmar
06-05-2016, 03:37 AM
Crickets on this?

gonzagafan62
06-05-2016, 08:29 AM
Crickets on this?

So far, yes. I'm hoping to get an announcement soon. I don't want this to drag out

Mantua
06-05-2016, 11:30 AM
Could it be that nothing official can be said until the coursework for graduation is completed?

If that is the case, the soonest we could hear of an official confirmation is July 1st, the latest is August 12th.

http://registrar.berkeley.edu/calendar

gonzagafan62
06-05-2016, 01:14 PM
Could it be that nothing official can be said until the coursework for graduation is completed?

If that is the case, the soonest we could hear of an official confirmation is July 1st, the latest is August 12th.

http://registrar.berkeley.edu/calendar

Possible. I remember Wesley though committed an he needed to finish summer school. Don't know about different universities policies

MTZag03
06-05-2016, 06:46 PM
Am I the only one who questions the need for him? Byron played the 3. Not the same position. We're looking pretty good at 1 and 2. Matthews looks to be a 2 if he's 6'3. I know others have mentioned this but it just keeps the log jam in place as far as our crop of guards. I'd love Alberts to develop.

That said, if the staff thinks he's worth it then I'm on board.

raise the zag
06-05-2016, 07:17 PM
Am I the only one who questions the need for him? Byron played the 3. Not the same position. We're looking pretty good at 1 and 2. Matthews looks to be a 2 if he's 6'3. I know others have mentioned this but it just keeps the log jam in place as far as our crop of guards. I'd love Alberts to develop.

Agree with this sentiment.

However, We don't have a better option at the so-called "3" than Mathews.

He's seasoned, proven, can shoot (and willing), and has shown he can score/produce as a 3rd or 4th option…many can't…

Tougher than you think to still hit shots and score when the 3rd or 4th option. Limited attempts, rhythm, reps, etc. Jordan Mathews has excelled in this role, which is perfect given NWG, Perkins, Karnowski, et al.

Players such as Bryan Alberts flashes WAY more potential than many give him credit for, yet still afraid to shoot and make mistakes. There is a fine line between pleasing coaches, earning playing time, and going for it. Mathews gets it. Alberts does not. He's better than he thinks he is -- Coach Lloyd even said this in post-season. Alberts is the best shooter, best gamesmanship, best discipline, but hasn't realized it yet. Then there is Silas, who is the inverse of this -- probably thinks he's better than he is. Yes, potential, but needs to temper his game, learn the team aspect, awareness, passing, flow, etc.

Alberts isn't ready (mental, not ability), Silas is overzealous, yet extremely talented. Maybe too talented in some respects.

Mathews is needed.

I hope we get him. Whether he plays the 2, 3, or whatever, he's an asset. He's just more developed than our current options.

Norvell probably has the highest ceiling of them all, if he stays engaged, but he's still a frosh. A frosh is a frosh no matter the player, esp guard.

This team would be THAT much better with a Mathews than without him.

MDABE80
06-05-2016, 07:47 PM
I have some major doubt that California would allow an "in league" transfer to USC no matter if his brother Jonah is down there. PAC 12 has some rules governing that. That leaves GU. Patience young Jedi...:) There is no doubt, we really need this one.

DixieZag
06-06-2016, 05:55 AM
I have some major doubt that California would allow an "in league" transfer to USC no matter if his brother Jonah is down there. PAC 12 has some rules governing that. That leaves GU. Patience young Jedi...:) There is no doubt, we really need this one.

Sincere question; Does the school have any power to stop a student who graduates? Seems to me that once a player completes a degree, it is only sensible to look elsewhere for the next higher degree.

Zagsker
06-06-2016, 06:49 AM
Sincere question; Does the school have any power to stop a student who graduates? Seems to me that once a player completes a degree, it is only sensible to look elsewhere for the next higher degree.

I believe they can "object" to it...if Iam reading the transfer rule correctly....player can appeal.

CDC84
06-06-2016, 07:25 AM
If the player can prove that his desired master's degree program is not available at his current school, I am pretty sure his current school can't stop him from transferring within conference or anywhere else. I could be wrong about this.

DixieZag
06-06-2016, 07:29 AM
It would seem grossly unfair if the undergrad school had a say at all, in a world where a coach - under contract - can buy himself out of that contract, despite promises made to recruits, to go anywhere, at any time, not sit out a season.

Thx for the answers.

Bogozags
06-06-2016, 08:19 AM
It would seem grossly unfair if the undergrad school had a say at all, in a world where a coach - under contract - can buy himself out of that contract, despite promises made to recruits, to go anywhere, at any time, not sit out a season.

Thx for the answers.

Don't remember the player's name but he played at St. Joseph and wanted to transfer to an SEC school and the coach would not release him! This happened 2-3 years ago, if memory serves...

MDABE80
06-06-2016, 09:12 AM
Dixie. I kept thinking he was still an undergrad... which he still is for now. I don't remember a case like this wherein a GRAD ( he isn't one just yet) wants to move within the conference. I suppose the P12 will have a vote on this but honestly there may not be a policy in place.
Hole sin the policy that allows this type of transfer. I'm thinking the "spirit" of the policy should obtain but I'm not sure there's a "letter" that may be in conflict. Basically the player becomes a "free agent" once he graduates. Grey zone. We'll see. Good question though.

MDABE80
06-07-2016, 06:33 PM
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Each week, I'll write about the sport I love: college basketball.

"California suffered a blown when Jordan Matthews decided to transfer for his final season of eligibility. It is not often that a school can pick up a player who was in the top 20 in scoring in the Pac-12 last season."

He's right!

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06-07-2016, 08:36 PM
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Each week, I'll write about the sport I love: college basketball.

"California suffered a blown when Jordan Matthews decided to transfer for his final season of eligibility. It is not often that a school can pick up a player who was in the top 20 in scoring in the Pac-12 last season."

He's right!

Unless it's Gonzaga.

Pac-12 Men's Basketball Player Scoring Per Game Statistics - 2013-14.

#6 Byron Wesley, USC. GP - 30, MPG - 34.6, PPG - 17.8. Nigel Williams-Goss was #18 with 13.4 PPG.

2014-2015

Nigel Williams-Goss was #7 with 15.6 PPG.

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MDABE80
06-07-2016, 08:43 PM
Just not announced yet.............

kitzbuel
06-08-2016, 03:44 AM
If the player can prove that his desired master's degree program is not available at his current school, I am pretty sure his current school can't stop him from transferring within conference or anywhere else. I could be wrong about this.

This seems to be something the NCAA has its eye on and is identifying as something that may need to be 'fixed.'

Zagdawg
06-08-2016, 08:59 AM
Gonzaga Guru ‏@ZagsGuru 54s54 seconds ago
.@JordanMathews22 says his dad handles the recruiting. Jordan has spoken to NC State & Vandy. In school till Aug 12

gonstu
06-08-2016, 09:04 AM
Gonzaga Guru ‏@ZagsGuru 54s54 seconds ago
.@JordanMathews22 says his dad handles the recruiting. Jordan has spoken to NC State & Vandy. In school till Aug 12


say whaaaat?

strikenowhere
06-08-2016, 09:05 AM
Gonzaga Guru ‏@ZagsGuru 54s54 seconds ago
.@JordanMathews22 says his dad handles the recruiting. Jordan has spoken to NC State & Vandy. In school till Aug 12

Hmmm starting to feel like the ship has sailed on Mathews, imo.

Zagdawg
06-08-2016, 09:10 AM
NC State and Vandy --not great options if he is wanting to experience a bit more post season fun.

Coach Crazy
06-08-2016, 09:13 AM
If the ship did sail, time to close ranks and move forward. In which case, Silas better bring it.

Bogozags
06-08-2016, 09:24 AM
Hmmm starting to feel like the ship has sailed on Mathews, imo.

I watched his dad speak regarding his recruiting and he does have a strong hand in the choice... Vanderbilt has an opening for a scorer and he fits that bill can't speak for NCSU...

If he comes, he comes...if he doesn't come, then he doesn't...we have a strong team without Mr. Matthews and I wish him the best...

Zagdawg
06-08-2016, 09:24 AM
Gonzaga Guru ‏@ZagsGuru 14m14 minutes ago
Jordan Mathews' dad has close relationship with Gonzaga coach Donny Daniels. Zags may still be in a strong position

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 09:36 AM
When I heard the potential news about Matthews coming to GU I was excited like pretty much all of us on here. I still hope he chooses us but if not, we will be just fine. Although not as seasoned, I liked what I saw from Melson to end the year, he impacted the game in multiple ways and found his confidence. If Melson carries over that momentum this year I am excited to see his progression. I rewatched the Utah game yesterday In the tourney and Melson had a heck of a game, poised, great defense, offense.

Who's to say Melson can't have a bigger impact than Matthews this year? I personally think it can happen. Sprinkle in Norvell and it makes for some intriguing Bball.

I keep forgetting we also have Tillie, as well as Hachimura coming in. Honestly if we were to get a transfer I would be pumped with Matthews but a true wing would make more sense imo.

GoZags
06-08-2016, 10:01 AM
When I heard the potential news about Matthews coming to GU I was excited like pretty much all of us on here. I still hope he chooses us but if not, we will be just fine. Although not as seasoned, I liked what I saw from Melson to end the year, he impacted the game in multiple ways and found his confidence. If Melson carries over that momentum this year I am excited to see his progression. I rewatched the Utah game yesterday In the tourney and Melson had a heck of a game, poised, great defense, offense.

Who's to say Melson can't have a bigger impact than Matthews this year? I personally think it can happen. Sprinkle in Norvell and it makes for some intriguing Bball.

I keep forgetting we also have Tillie, as well as Hachimura coming in. Honestly if we were to get a transfer I would be pumped with Matthews but a true wing would make more sense imo.

Unless something has changed, as I understand it Mathews (along with his dad) had reached a decision to graduate from Cal and come to Gonzaga. That being said, until it's "official" anything can happen. His primary task now is to complete 18 credits of upper class schoolwork during the summer school session. That's no easy task .... so I wish him all the best in getting the schoolwork done.

vandalzag
06-08-2016, 10:25 AM
Unless something has changed, as I understand it Mathews (along with his dad) had reached a decision to graduate from Cal and come to Gonzaga. That being said, until it's "official" anything can happen. His primary task now is to complete 18 credits of upper class schoolwork during the summer school session. That's no easy task .... so I wish him all the best in getting the schoolwork done.

Wow 18 credits at Cal in summer sounds like a tall task. Kid must be a good student to even consider that especially since they are all upper level classes and one would assume he will not offered too much assistance from the athletic department.

The tweet about NC State and Vandy is interesting because it does not really offer a time frame as to when they talked or if that is really an option.

exclusivelee
06-08-2016, 11:16 AM
This:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160608/300c74f56c1137f6907c3ac27eb6ee95.jpg

Not in the bag until an official confirmation. Can only hope it remains in Gonzaga's favor

CDC84
06-08-2016, 11:26 AM
Like with Wesley, we just need to be patient. There are no guarantees. I don't expect to hear much until the fall. Wesley had opposing coaches arriving at his home in a limo.

GoZags
06-08-2016, 11:44 AM
Like with Wesley, we just need to be patient. There are no guarantees. I don't expect to hear much until the fall. Wesley had opposing coaches arriving at his home in a limo.

Speaking of Byron Wesley .... I flashed back to this post (written well before Gonzaga made it to the Elite 8). In my opinion this illustrates the positive impact a graduate transfer can have on the Gonzaga community (and vice versa).


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As I sit here and reflect on the record and results of this regular season, I find myself filled with a sort of contentment that only a mother can have. When my son decided to transfer from USC, the fear of the unknown was real and the foreseeable future cloudy. Soo many questions came as to where would Byron go, would he fit in, would he be accepted and embraced by both the fans and current players and would he be able to modify his game to truly help his teammates win. The answer to all of those questions was a resounding YES!!! Not only did he seamlessly transition into the program, but he did so with the acceptance of everyone involved. And for that, from the bottom of my heart, I THANK ALL OF YOU for the love and support that Byron has received during his time at GU. I was lucky enough to get to the Kennel 3 times this season and I must say, that experience alone was Phenomenal!! (Being a UCLA Grad, and attending games there cannot hold a candle to attending games at GU). On the road, in the mall, in hotel lobbies, in airports, at away games, the fans that I met were extremely knowledgeable and the support was incredible!! I found myself reading this message board since the day Byron decided to invite Coach Few & Coach Daniels to our home. The enthusiasm at the prospect of Byron attending was awesome and throughout the season, the support, comments (both positive and negative), have been fun to read. I even sent some of the comments made after the Arizona game to Byron just because they were soo encouraging and supportive.

So I guess I am saying all of this to say, THANK YOU Gonzaga University, GU Fans, GU Alumni & GU Students for embracing Byron, for making him feel at home and for accepting him as one of your own. He said that this has been "the best year of his life," and I for one agree 10000000%

Now I know that there is a WHOLE lot of basketball yet to be played because this incredible ride isn't finished yet but I just wanted to send out my thanks before the real fun begins!!

Chantal Wesley

http://guboards.spokesmanreview.com/showthread.php?52981-An-open-letter-of-thanks-to-all-members-of-the-GU-Community

gonstu
06-08-2016, 12:09 PM
This:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160608/300c74f56c1137f6907c3ac27eb6ee95.jpg



Well, looks like Melson got his starting role back! ;)

Mr Vulture
06-08-2016, 12:10 PM
I doubt Melson starts with or without Mathews in the fold....


Well, looks like Melson got his starting role back! ;)

gonstu
06-08-2016, 12:14 PM
I doubt Melson starts with or without Mathews in the fold....

I'll take that bet, You're on!

Zagdawg
06-08-2016, 12:31 PM
Top 5 Transfers ---

3. Jordan Mathews, California Golden Bears

This one caught many people by surprise, and it really hurts Cuonzo Martin's team for next season. Mathews was one of the better perimeter scorers in the Pac-12, shooting nearly 42 percent from 3-point range and averaging 13.5 points. He's immediately eligible in 2016-17, and Gonzaga might have the edge in his recruitment.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/14390188/college-basketball-transfer-list

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 12:59 PM
I doubt Melson starts with or without Mathews in the fold....

Who starts the 3 then? Assuming NWG and Perkins are the 1-2.

gonzagafan62
06-08-2016, 01:08 PM
I doubt Melson starts with or without Mathews in the fold....

If Matthews doesn't come, Melson. Is our starter

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 01:17 PM
If Matthews doesn't come, Melson. Is our starter

+1

Coach Crazy
06-08-2016, 01:18 PM
Who starts the 3 then? Assuming NWG and Perkins are the 1-2.

Melson will be the default option, at that point. It will make for a very interesting pre-season. He'll be defending a starting spot against at least one kid that has the ability to challenge him for it.

gonstu
06-08-2016, 01:20 PM
Coach, Henne & 62 - agreed, but I call dibs on the bet w/ vulture though. Stakes are high, winner gets to say 'i told ya so'

:)

I hope and think Melson will have a great year.

jazzdelmar
06-08-2016, 01:20 PM
Well, looks like Melson got his starting role back! ;)

How did he slip off Fews vaunted hook?

webspinnre
06-08-2016, 01:25 PM
Good grief. This is still so early in the process.

MDABE80
06-08-2016, 01:26 PM
Silas, until he proves his consistency is simply not suitable to take over a position as important as the 3. He's got the goods but he's so erratic, it's "wait and see" situation. I don't see why there's doubts about Jordan coming here. I read the posts and nothing tells me he won't be here. Just gossipy sissy stuff. He'll be here. .....can't announce it right now .

ZagsObserver
06-08-2016, 01:28 PM
His tweet was not confidence building

gonstu
06-08-2016, 01:28 PM
How did he slip off Fews vaunted hook?


If Mathews doesn't come, it would seem to be Melson vs Norvell for starting role. I'll give the edge for starting to the returning JR over the incoming FROSH.

Whether that happens, whether the "hook" comes (and if so how quickly it does) will depend on Melson's production.

Without Mathews, it's Melson's spot to lose. And I think he'll keep it.

jazzdelmar
06-08-2016, 01:46 PM
If Mathews doesn't come, it would seem to be Melson vs Norvell for starting role. I'll give the edge for starting to the returning JR over the incoming FROSH.

Whether that happens, whether the "hook" comes (and if so how quickly it does) will depend on Melson's production.

Without Mathews, it's Melson's spot to lose. And I think he'll keep it.

I find absolutely no comfort in any of what you are saying. Just saying.

VaBeachZAG
06-08-2016, 02:03 PM
If Mathews doesn't come, it would seem to be Melson vs Norvell for starting role. I'll give the edge for starting to the returning JR over the incoming FROSH.

Whether that happens, whether the "hook" comes (and if so how quickly it does) will depend on Melson's production.

Without Mathews, it's Melson's spot to lose. And I think he'll keep it.

Interesting that no one has seen fit to bring Tillie into the 3 position discussion. I know there have been concerns about Tillie's health, but that aside, he seems to think he can play the 3 as well as the 4. So, absent health issues or a redshirt, why shouldn't he be part of the discussion?

gonstu
06-08-2016, 02:04 PM
I find absolutely no comfort in any of what you are saying. Just saying.

Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable to hear.

Mantua
06-08-2016, 02:18 PM
To be fair, Jordan must be under some pressure to complete 18 credits worth of coursework at Cal by August 12th while receiving national attention with regard to his future plans. No wonder he is making a philosophical response.

cggonzaga
06-08-2016, 02:42 PM
Who's to say Melson can't have a bigger impact than Matthews this year? I personally think it can happen.

Careful Henne. It's dangerous to suggest this around here.

ZagsObserver
06-08-2016, 02:48 PM
Possible, for sure, just as Edwards could outplay JWill3 this year. I wouldn't bet money on that outcome even at 3:1 odds.


Careful Henne. It's dangerous to suggest this around here.

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 02:54 PM
Possible, for sure, just as Edwards could outplay JWill3 this year. I wouldn't bet money on that outcome even at 3:1 odds.

JWIII and Edwards is a much bigger gap imo. JW is proven against tough competition. Melson has proven himself as well, we just want to see consistency.

I'm all for Matthews and hope he picks who best suits him, I just don't believe that a cpl other players on our roster are that far behind him talent wise is all.

Coach Crazy
06-08-2016, 02:58 PM
Interesting that no one has seen fit to bring Tillie into the 3 position discussion. I know there have been concerns about Tillie's health, but that aside, he seems to think he can play the 3 as well as the 4. So, absent health issues or a redshirt, why shouldn't he be part of the discussion?

I have suggested that he could play the 3. But I don't see him as being as far along in ready-made status as Norvell appears to be.

doctorzag
06-08-2016, 03:01 PM
If Matthews doesn't come, Melson. Is our starter

Lets face it. Melson is not very good.

doctorzag
06-08-2016, 03:03 PM
Norvell and Tillie will start before Melson does.

Coach Crazy
06-08-2016, 03:03 PM
Lets face it. Melson is not very good.

Melson would not be my choice among the two, but in the event we do not have Jordan Mathews, then I want to see Melson be a utility player like KD, and the 3 position be by committee. We have a lot of young talent that could benefit from playing on the wing for part of their minutes.

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 03:07 PM
Lets face it. Melson is not very good.

That's a bold statement. Look at the last 1/3 of the season he played much more controlled and had some big games for us. I was impressed with the game vs. Utah, he did a lil bit of everything. Some guys come in and are solid right a way like Pangos,others take time to develop. I am excited to see if he can build off last season, the talent is there, the athletic ability, defense etc. he was kind of thrown in his first year when in reality he should've red shirted. If after this year he under performs then I stand by your opinion.

Coach Crazy
06-08-2016, 03:20 PM
To me, his best game of March Madness was against Seton Hall. If he can get into the 10ppg, 3 -4 rebounds, and 2-3 assists per game from the wing, as well as limiting his turnovers, then I think you might be able to make the case for giving him 800-900 minutes for the season. A lot will depend on how our incoming potential wing's look.

ZagsObserver
06-08-2016, 03:26 PM
Ya, but we can be confident that Jordan has the ability to be huge for the zags, as there is a body of work at Cal to substantiate this. We don't have the same confidence with Melson. So what you are saying is that what you saw from Melson was so compelling that have little doubt he can bring what a proven commodity like Jordan can bring?

ZagsObserver
06-08-2016, 03:28 PM
And both Perkins and Goss can drive. We need someone to hit the 3 with consistency to open things up. Jordan fits the bill best

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 03:45 PM
Ya, but we can be confident that Jordan has the ability to be huge for the zags, as there is a body of work at Cal to substantiate this. We don't have the same confidence with Melson. So what you are saying is that what you saw from Melson was so compelling that have little doubt he can bring what a proven commodity like Jordan can bring?

Their are many factors that play into it, such as style of play, lineups and whatever the case may be. Is Matthews as good on the defensive end as Melson? Maybe he is idk, but it's not all about numbers.

exclusivelee
06-08-2016, 04:52 PM
JWIII and Edwards is a much bigger gap imo. JW is proven against tough competition. Melson has proven himself as well, we just want to see consistency.

I'm all for Matthews and hope he picks who best suits him, I just don't believe that a cpl other players on our roster are that far behind him talent wise is all.
As much as I'd like to annoint Johnathan Williams and Nigel Williams-Goss as immediate starters, they have not played a single game under Mark Few. Sure, they've spent a whole academic year redshirting at Gonzaga, but look how far that got someone like Gerard Coleman who averaged over 11 points while playing over 30 mpg in the Big East. I still expect JW3 & NWG to be starters from the get-go, but also wouldn't totally shocked if someone with experience playing for Mark Few gets the nod. Against all odds, arriving at GU as walk-ons, David Stockton and Mike Hart worked their ways into and earning scholarships, seeing decent minutes and then starting roles for NCAA Tournament squads.

Goshzagit
06-08-2016, 05:14 PM
As much as I'd like to annoint Johnathan Williams and Nigel Williams-Goss as immediate starters, they have not played a single game under Mark Few. Sure, they've spent a whole academic year redshirting at Gonzaga, but look how far that got someone like Gerard Coleman who averaged over 11 points while playing over 30 mpg in the Big East. I still expect JW3 & NWG to be starters from the get-go, but also wouldn't totally shocked if someone with experience playing for Mark Few gets the nod. Against all odds, arriving at GU as walk-ons, David Stockton and Mike Hart worked their ways into and earning scholarships, seeing decent minutes and then starting roles for NCAA Tournament squads.

I can't speak about NWG given he practiced about 10 times all of last season, yet Mark Few thinks very highly about JWIII. A big fan. Coachable, hard working, & wears a hard hat for every practice. Not the classic Gonzaga scorer or shooter, hr impacts the game. Went toe-to-toe with Donas all season long & won numerous practices. Staff seems to love his game & mentality. He will be a major player for us, whether that's off the bench or starting, doesn't matter.

doctorzag
06-08-2016, 06:43 PM
That's a bold statement. Look at the last 1/3 of the season he played much more controlled and had some big games for us. I was impressed with the game vs. Utah, he did a lil bit of everything. Some guys come in and are solid right a way like Pangos,others take time to develop. I am excited to see if he can build off last season, the talent is there, the athletic ability, defense etc. he was kind of thrown in his first year when in reality he should've red shirted. If after this year he under performs then I stand by your opinion.

I think our expectations of Melson are so low that he does not have to do much to meet them.

jazzdelmar
06-08-2016, 06:52 PM
I think our expectations of Melson are so low that he does not have to do much to meet them.

The Melson Principle?

JPtheBeasta
06-08-2016, 07:05 PM
And both Perkins and Goss can drive. We need someone to hit the 3 with consistency to open things up. Jordan fits the bill best

Do you recall Perkins' 3-point shooting numbers? If memory serves, they were pretty good.

cggonzaga
06-08-2016, 07:12 PM
I think our expectations of Melson are so low that he does not have to do much to meet them.

You mean your expectations. Don't speak for everybody.

HenneZag
06-08-2016, 07:46 PM
I think our expectations of Melson are so low that he does not have to do much to meet them.

Haha ok. He's a better player than ppl give him credit for. Honestly kinda sad this has turned into a bash Melson thread. I understand ppl have different opinions and that's fine. But let's not start degrading kids on here. For Melsons sake I hope he shuts up the nay sayers next year.

ZagaZags
06-08-2016, 07:47 PM
You mean your expectations. Don't speak for everybody.

+1

ZagaZags
06-08-2016, 07:48 PM
Haha ok. He's a better player than ppl give him credit for. Honestly kinda sad this has turned into a bash Melson thread. I understand ppl have different opinions and that's fine. But let's not start degrading kids on here. For Melsons sake I hope he shuts up the nay sayers next year.

+2

GoZags
06-08-2016, 08:02 PM
Honestly kinda sad this has turned into a bash Melson thread.

Yep

23dpg
06-08-2016, 08:08 PM
It seems like a lot of threads turn into this kind of crapfest. What the hell is happening to this forum?

ZagaZags
06-08-2016, 08:09 PM
Yep

+3

gonzagafan62
06-08-2016, 08:36 PM
It seems like a lot of threads turn into this kind of crapfest. What the hell is happening to this forum?

Not sure. We shouldn't be bashing players on our team. I don't see anyone bashing Backamus or Triano for their inability to get more minutes.

Seriously though, melson is a good kid who's doing things the zag way. I come here as a thick skinned individual who loves the team. I think one problem we often have is going to far with something. Voice your opinion but not whether you think an individual who is a projected starter sucks.

Trust the staff

seacatfan
06-08-2016, 08:37 PM
It seems like a lot of threads turn into this kind of crapfest. What the hell is happening to this forum?

Not my fault this time, I've stayed out of this one.

ZagsObserver
06-08-2016, 09:11 PM
I don't think many are bashing (those that are should be ashamed). Melson is a good kid and the Zags are lucky to have him. Comparing him to Jordan is just not a fair comparison.

JPtheBeasta
06-08-2016, 09:53 PM
Melson really came around towards the end of the year. I think people see all of the untapped potential and are frustrated. We could always use a glue guy with the departure of Dranginis. He has the tools to play good defense, win lose balls, get the Zags extra possessions with offense rebounds, and such. There were several games last year when Dranginis quietly put up a modest mix of stats across the board, then made a HUGE play at the end of the game or during a run of the other team that helped lock down a win.

cggonzaga
06-08-2016, 10:00 PM
If all Melson is is a glue guy then so be it. I believe he has potential to be more than that. Just because he hasn't consistently shown it doesn't mean it's not there.

kyle dixon
06-09-2016, 04:37 AM
silas will be fine. It was unfortunate he did not have the redshirt year after perk was intentionally kicked in the jaw in the garden. I see a guy who buys in, I expect a productive year out of him.

Coach Crazy
06-09-2016, 04:51 AM
It seems like a lot of threads turn into this kind of crapfest. What the hell is happening to this forum?

Well, first off, this is very much a basketball board. So, things will be talked about that pertain to basketball. Second, when a player like Jordan Mathews is a potential transfer, it calls into question certain things that are directly related to his transfer. Third, there hasn't been a lot of Silas bashing. Even I have been very tempered in my response to the potential of Jordan not being here.

If we cannot discuss depth charts, player potential, and the realities of someone's actual performance as it pertains to their place at GU...then I am not sure we have the maturity to have a message board. Show respect for the person, sure. But I don't think that is a trump card we should be using when we hear an opinion we don't like. Saying that you don't think a player that scores 6.6 points ppg, has a very low BPM and PER isn't very good, isn't bashing. That's part of why we have stats, in the first place.

IF Gonzaga only won 1 game a year, we wouldn't sit around talking about how good they are. Because they wouldn't be. Not bashing. Just the truth. Now, how that message is delivered can certainly have an effect on the tone of the statement...sure. But outside of that, it feels like we have some that don't want to know "how the sausage is made", and then are mad at others for knowing and talking about it.

jazzdelmar
06-09-2016, 05:56 AM
Well, first off, this is very much a basketball board. So, things will be talked about that pertain to basketball. Second, when a player like Jordan Mathews is a potential transfer, it calls into question certain things that are directly related to his transfer. Third, there hasn't been a lot of Silas bashing. Even I have been very tempered in my response to the potential of Jordan not being here.

If we cannot discuss depth charts, player potential, and the realities of someone's actual performance as it pertains to their place at GU...then I am not sure we have the maturity to have a message board. Show respect for the person, sure. But I don't think that is a trump card we should be using when we hear an opinion we don't like. Saying that you don't think a player that scores 6.6 points ppg, has a very low BPM and PER isn't very good, isn't bashing. That's part of why we have stats, in the first place.

IF Gonzaga only won 1 game a year, we wouldn't sit around talking about how good they are. Because they wouldn't be. Not bashing. Just the truth. Now, how that message is delivered can certainly have an effect on the tone of the statement...sure. But outside of that, it feels like we have some that don't want to know "how the sausage is made", and then are mad at others for knowing and talking about it.

Agree Crazy. In case you have not noticed, with respect to players this board can be a little in loco parentis loco.

HenneZag
06-09-2016, 05:58 AM
Well, first off, this is very much a basketball board. So, things will be talked about that pertain to basketball. Second, when a player like Jordan Mathews is a potential transfer, it calls into question certain things that are directly related to his transfer. Third, there hasn't been a lot of Silas bashing. Even I have been very tempered in my response to the potential of Jordan not being here.

If we cannot discuss depth charts, player potential, and the realities of someone's actual performance as it pertains to their place at GU...then I am not sure we have the maturity to have a message board. Show respect for the person, sure. But I don't think that is a trump card we should be using when we hear an opinion we don't like. Saying that you don't think a player that scores 6.6 points ppg, has a very low BPM and PER isn't very good, isn't bashing. That's part of why we have stats, in the first place.

IF Gonzaga only won 1 game a year, we wouldn't sit around talking about how good they are. Because they wouldn't be. Not bashing. Just the truth. Now, how that message is delivered can certainly have an effect on the tone of the statement...sure. But outside of that, it feels like we have some that don't want to know "how the sausage is made", and then are mad at others for knowing and talking about it.

I agree with a lot of what your saying. And of course we should be able to discuss, agree/disagree and so on. But it seemed there wasn't a lot of factual conversation, just nit picking and jabs. Most see the potential In Melson and want to see him succeed and some no matter what will just gripe and fight any thought of him improving and being a big peice of the pie. Melsons points per game don't jump out at you I see that, with that said he wasn't getting starter minutes.

Zagdawg
06-09-2016, 06:05 AM
Melson will be fine----the practices will be great---lots of young blood working hard to earn some time on the floor.

Going to be a good year to be a Zag.

btzag
06-09-2016, 06:06 AM
Coach - Most reasonable posters have said SM is fighting for the starting spot but others have said he's terrible, called his play not meeting their expectations the Silas Melson principle and have suggested he should look to transfer. That stuff is not reasonable 'debate' that's just bagging on a kid because you don't like him. There has been zero debate on this board about Edwards or Alberts having a reduced role with all the additions but for some reason Melson gets the brunt of things despite playing a nice role in keeping the tourney run going down the stretch!

And since you love stats so much, in the last 12 games of the WCC and WCC tourney Melson averaged 10.25 ppg to help the Zags keep the streak alive.

cggonzaga
06-09-2016, 06:45 AM
Agree Crazy. In case you have not noticed, with respect to players this board can be a little in loco parentis loco.

I prefer when Jazz bashes a player because they usually end up proving him wrong and making him look like a moron, i.e. Stockton, Perkins, I'm sure there are others.

jazzdelmar
06-09-2016, 06:54 AM
I prefer when Jazz bashes a player because they usually end up proving him wrong and making him look like a moron, i.e. Stockton, Perkins, I'm sure there are others.

There you go again, loco.

cggonzaga
06-09-2016, 06:58 AM
Yep.

maynard g krebs
06-09-2016, 11:51 AM
Saying that you don't think a player that scores 6.6 points ppg, has a very low BPM and PER isn't very good, isn't bashing. That's part of why we have stats, in the first place.



Yeah, but if you break the season down, you get this:

First 21 games, 33/110 fg's, 30%, 11/48 3's, 23%, 4.8 ppg.

Last 15 games, 45/94 fg's, 48%, 21/51 3's, 41%, 9.2 ppg.

Not referring to you, but some of the tone of this discussion seems to overlook that. I agree it remains to be seen if he can maintain it going forward, but his play in a number of the late games that were important ( at SMU, BYU reg season, Seton Hall, Utah) was encouraging imo. And it takes some guts to come back from struggling like that for 60% of a season.

Would be interesting to see what the advanced stats you reference would say about him over the last 15 games.

3XaZag
06-09-2016, 12:37 PM
Mods....I know you can merge threads....can you also split threads?

Maybe title one "Endless Melson Musings" ....and the other one "Actual info on Jordan Matthews"

Kind of a truth in advertising thing. Then I wouldn't have to click into this thread 100+ times to little avail ( I know, first world problems !! )

Coach Crazy
06-09-2016, 12:40 PM
Yeah, but if you break the season down, you get this:

First 21 games, 33/110 fg's, 30%, 11/48 3's, 23%, 4.8 ppg.

Last 15 games, 45/94 fg's, 48%, 21/51 3's, 41%, 9.2 ppg.

Not referring to you, but some of the tone of this discussion seems to overlook that. I agree it remains to be seen if he can maintain it going forward, but his play in a number of the late games that were important ( at SMU, BYU reg season, Seton Hall, Utah) was encouraging imo. And it takes some guts to come back from struggling like that for 60% of a season.

Would be interesting to see what the advanced stats you reference would say about him over the last 15 games.

When I counted it up, he still had some bad games in that last 15. And I actually referenced the idea that one might argue that the last 15 were of more weight than his start. But that still requires some strong speculation. Because after BYU in the WCC tourney, he really didn't play well aside from Seton Hall.

To use a some [Elliott] Wave thinking, those 12-15 games could very well be a corrective structure within a larger trend. If that were the case, then I don't know that we are going to see much better from the kid? As well, it wasn't encouraging that with over two times the minutes from the previous season, he had to excel the way he did in those 15 games to still come up short of his previous season's self. All this having been said, what he chooses to do in the off season to rectify the situation is going to make the biggest impact. If he does everything he can and still doesn't quite have it...then it is what it is.

As far as what the advanced stats would say? I would have to look at putting the BPM equation in an Excel spreadsheet file and then applying the adjusted numbers. Since I am very, very single and don't have much going on tonight...that might be something for me to look into. We'll see. Maybe not. No promises.

MDABE80
06-09-2016, 01:35 PM
Silas had some dingers in the last 15 games. WHo doesn't? He needs consistency. if he does gain that, he'll be palying lots of minutes. He's got the talent but something (fear?) is in his head when he goes south. Maturity usually helps.

cggonzaga
06-09-2016, 01:53 PM
To use a some [Elliott] Wave thinking, those 12-15 games could very well be a corrective structure within a larger trend. If that were the case, then I don't know that we are going to see much better from the kid? As well, it wasn't encouraging that with over two times the minutes from the previous season, he had to excel the way he did in those 15 games to still come up short of his previous season's self. All this having been said, what he chooses to do in the off season to rectify the situation is going to make the biggest impact. If he does everything he can and still doesn't quite have it...then it is what it is.


Couldn't somebody argue over the last 15 games he started figuring some things out? And the progress he made during that time could carry over into the next season? I understand using his full stat line over the course of the season. I think even you would admit however Coach that Silas was not the same player at the end of the season that he was at the beginning.

Also, to get back to Jordan. Pure conjecture here but could it be possible that the reason for a possible change of heart could have to do with the coaching staff not guaranteeing a starting position? Or even the possibility that even if he did start, the minutes would be fairly evenly split between him, Perkins, Melson and Goss?

Coach Crazy
06-09-2016, 02:14 PM
Couldn't somebody argue over the last 15 games he started figuring some things out? And the progress he made during that time could carry over into the next season? I understand using his full stat line over the course of the season. I think even you would admit however Coach that Silas was not the same player at the end of the season that he was at the beginning.

Also, to get back to Jordan. Pure conjecture here but could it be possible that the reason for a possible change of heart could have to do with the coaching staff not guaranteeing a starting position? Or even the possibility that even if he did start, the minutes would be fairly evenly split between him, Perkins, Melson and Goss?

Per your first paragraph, yes, you could make that argument. It depends on what you feel the sample size is saying. Would I prefer to see more games? Yeah. And he'll have the chance to prove himself. Having said that...if he comes out and struggles to get going, then I have a hard time seeing it a worthwhile endeavor to allow him the time it takes just to get things running smoothly. We didn't have depth last year. We have it this year. If he is going to be anything close to his first 20-some-odd game self, then I would rather have a younger player in there getting crucial developmental minutes.

Per your second paragraph. I suppose that could be a possibility. I don't know. And I try not to speak on things I don't know about. I simply have no clue as to what is actually going on. But what you are proposing is not out of the realm of possibility. Although, I would imagine he would be playing on the wing here, and the staff would be on board with making that known, as soon and as adamantly as possible.

bigblahla
06-09-2016, 02:26 PM
When Silas is the hunter his game is on when he is tentative his game becomes more passive...his offense dictates his defensive effort from what I've seen...very talented but inconsistent in effort....consistency on offense is his bane....his offense seems to fuel his defensive effort....but what do I know I've seen flying saucers, ghosts and demons...and no you can't have any of what I've been smoking...it ain't tacos...;)

Go!! Zags!!!

cggonzaga
06-09-2016, 02:37 PM
Having said that...if he comes out and struggles to get going, then I have a hard time seeing it a worthwhile endeavor to allow him the time it takes just to get things running smoothly.

I would agree although his first 3-4 games last year he looked like a world beater. You're correct he should not be afforded a prolonged slump however.

Regarding Matthews, I think him most likely not getting much time at the 1 or 2 is probably his biggest concern. Let's face it, if he has NBA aspirations it won't be at the 2 or 3 at his size.

Coach Crazy
06-09-2016, 02:39 PM
I would agree although his first 3-4 games last year he looked like a world beater. You're correct he should not be afforded a prolonged slump however.

Yeah, I would 10-15 games in is enough to really get an idea. But we'll see. And that still depends on how those behind him play. Which I hope is not an issue.

Zagdawg
06-09-2016, 02:54 PM
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 9m9 minutes ago
Jordan Mathews received his unconditional release from Cal, source told @CBSSports. In process of setting up visits. Immediately eligible.

gonstu
06-09-2016, 03:02 PM
Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein 9m9 minutes ago
Jordan Mathews received his unconditional release from Cal, source told @CBSSports. In process of setting up visits. Immediately eligible.

:enraged:

gonzagafan62
06-09-2016, 03:04 PM
:enraged:

Nothing's wrong with that. If you're a recruit you'd wanna visit places too, even if you knew you weren't going there.


Ahem, or at least I would.

GonzagasaurusFlex
06-09-2016, 03:40 PM
Good get, maybe... But sucks for Silas Melson. I think Melson is primed for a breakout year. does Norvell then redshirt?
Definite logjam at the 2

Late to the thread and haven't read entirely but considering Norvell's size seems like Zags, with Matthews if he transfers, would have 4 players to split minutes at the 1, 2, 3 positions. Hachimura is the X factor if he doesn't redshirt and proves to be D1 ready. Alberts lost in the shuffle regardless of how Rui does? I love Melson and hope he shows up a more confident, consistent shooter as a Junior. I'm hopeful

jpwils
06-09-2016, 05:17 PM
Late to the thread and haven't read entirely but considering Norvell's size seems like Zags, with Matthews if he transfers, would have 4 players to split minutes at the 1, 2, 3 positions. Hachimura is the X factor if he doesn't redshirt and proves to be D1 ready. Alberts lost in the shuffle regardless of how Rui does? I love Melson and hope he shows up a more confident, consistent shooter as a Junior. I'm hopeful

Not to further muddy the water but where and when ( if ever) does Jones fit in ?

What about Alberts maturing ?

Also think Tillie looked more like a long 3 with shades of Micah Downs than anything? Do you guys agree ? I know he's a freshman, but what about sharing minutes and matchups with taller teams?
( think Tillie was listed like 6-8 or 6-9- please confirm if true.

Also what about Karno, Collins, and Williams in game at same time ? Depends on matchups, foul situation, whats working, etc.

Maybe one or two guys could redshirt ? There was some discussion on Hachimura in that regard.
I loved the way he got here early to have maximum assimilation ! Great to have so many good options !!

cjm720
06-09-2016, 05:42 PM
Melson can still redshirt...but IMO will be a big piece next year. Can't have too many guards....

zags422
06-09-2016, 06:09 PM
Melson can still redshirt...but IMO will be a big piece next year. Can't have too many guards....

Melson is my favorite player on the team. He's the swag of this team against top competition...He brings the confidence. Hope he still sees alot of minutes

75Zag
06-09-2016, 06:21 PM
Melson was a good kid in Portland and continues to be a good kid in Spokane. I am enjoying the opportunity to watch him grow. I did not expect him to be a one-and-done when he was recruited by GU. If you exclude the UK, Duke and KU kids, most high school players moving to college take 3 years to develop. I wish him a blockbuster year.

Go Bulldogs!

GonzagasaurusFlex
06-09-2016, 07:07 PM
Not to further muddy the water but where and when ( if ever) does Jones fit in ?

What about Alberts maturing ?

Also think Tillie looked more like a long 3 with shades of Micah Downs than anything? Do you guys agree ? I know he's a freshman, but what about sharing minutes and matchups with taller teams?
( think Tillie was listed like 6-8 or 6-9- please confirm if true.

Also what about Karno, Collins, and Williams in game at same time ? Depends on matchups, foul situation, whats working, etc.

Maybe one or two guys could redshirt ? There was some discussion on Hachimura in that regard.
I loved the way he got here early to have maximum assimilation ! Great to have so many good options !!

Agree w you that Tillie is more of a long 3 than a post. Saw him play in last summers 3v3 tourney and he is a very slender, fluid athletic 3.

DukeSilver
06-09-2016, 07:37 PM
Somehow off-topic at this point, but here it is anyways ...



Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN

Cal transfer Jordan Mathews told ESPN he will visit NC State on the 16th and Gonzaga on the 24th.
8:28 PM - 9 Jun 2016

Zagdawg
06-09-2016, 07:51 PM
One of the best weekends to host a prospect (when basketball season is not available).

Going to have a bunch of the Alum players in town for the alumni game and you know how much Spokane loves Hoopfest.

exclusivelee
06-09-2016, 07:58 PM
And many of the current Zags should be returning for the 2nd summer class session during or before that weekend, as well as some of the newcomer s.

Great time for Jordan Mathews to visit if indeed he has truly decided to visit then

Goshzagit
06-09-2016, 08:06 PM
18 credits in 1 Summer ain't easy.

DixieZag
06-09-2016, 08:09 PM
I am not saying this cynically. Even if I knew for certain I was going somewhere, I'd still take the max number of trips. At that age, to be flown around the country, seeing different places, talking to different people, touching on different local culture, all invaluable, no downside that I can see.

Radbooks
06-09-2016, 08:25 PM
Does he get to travel for free at this stage or is that just for high school students? He may be responsible for his own arrangements because he's a grad transfer.


I am not saying this cynically. Even if I knew for certain I was going somewhere, I'd still take the max number of trips. At that age, to be flown around the country, seeing different places, talking to different people, touching on different local culture, all invaluable, no downside that I can see.

Coach Crazy
06-09-2016, 09:28 PM
Agree w you that Tillie is more of a long 3 than a post. Saw him play in last summers 3v3 tourney and he is a very slender, fluid athletic 3.

I agree. He very much looks like a 3. We have a few tall forwards that may get some play at the 3 and 4. Versatility has very limited drawbacks.

MDABE80
06-09-2016, 10:00 PM
He's increased his weight to 210lbs. Closer to 6 ft 10 in. Hardly a banger but he seems best as a 3-4 (4 in a pinch).

ZagaZags
06-09-2016, 10:22 PM
Does he get to travel for free at this stage or is that just for high school students? He may be responsible for his own arrangements because he's a grad transfer.

Yep.

ZagaZags
06-09-2016, 10:22 PM
Did the Melson thread get moved?







:jk:

CDC84
06-09-2016, 11:00 PM
Let's hope he takes all of his visits...unlike what Pryor did. I would hate to see him commit to NC State without visiting Gonzaga as well. As others have noted, it's a great time of year for a recruit to visit GU.

MDABE80
06-10-2016, 12:11 AM
Somebody changed the title of the thread. Nice going........

Zagdawg
06-10-2016, 11:31 AM
Evaluating Jordan Mathew's Potential Fit At Gonzaga

"Mathews father, Phil Mathews, who is serving as the current head coach at Riverside Community College, replaced current Gonzaga assistant coach Donny Daniels at UCLA when he moved on to Spokane. That alone doesn't sound like a huge connection but Daniels and Phil Mathews are actually longtime friends which Jordan initially noted was a huge draw for his interest in Gonzaga. Now that Jordan is in the midst of his second recruiting phase, it comes as little surprise that he would want to go somewhere that not only gives him a chance at a tournament run, but also a place that feels familiar."


http://www.scout.com/college/gonzaga/story/1675003-how-would-jordan-mathews-fit-at-gonzaga

Zag 77
06-10-2016, 01:40 PM
Is that the same Phil Matthews who used to coach at USF? He also had a niece who played on the womens' team at GU.

exclusivelee
06-10-2016, 03:33 PM
Is that the same Phil Matthews who used to coach at USF? He also had a niece who played on the womens' team at GU.
Yes he is. And he's the only coach to take USF to the NCAA Tournament since 1982. His 5th-seeded Dons upset the 1-seed Zags in the 1998 WCC Championship game

Zagdawg
06-10-2016, 07:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dm3JE4TmTgI

jazzdelmar
06-10-2016, 08:01 PM
This process seems to be going backwards, Benjamin Button style. First he all but commits, then he visits. What's next, a letter of inquiry? Odd it seems.

cggonzaga
06-10-2016, 09:47 PM
His shooting would sure fit in nicely.

DixieZag
06-11-2016, 06:59 AM
This process seems to be going backwards, Benjamin Button style. First he all but commits, then he visits. What's next, a letter of inquiry? Odd it seems.

We do have GZ's assurances, though he did reiterate that nothing could be considered in the bag until pen meets paper. And, though the GZ's human, his record is pretty stellar on things like this.

thespywhozaggedme
06-11-2016, 07:04 AM
We do have GZ's assurances, though he did reiterate that nothing could be considered in the bag until pen meets paper. And, though the GZ's human, his record is pretty stellar on things like this.

Yup, the only one that was considered a "done deal" that went elsewhere was Brendan Bailey and apparently even the coaches were caught off guard when he chose Marquette.

bballbeachbum
06-11-2016, 07:23 AM
the Daniels connection appears to be the key. we'll see. 18 credits, that's intense

Hooray4Daye&Gray
06-11-2016, 09:00 AM
Unconditional release means he can transfer within the Pac 12, right?

If so, I'm calling it that he goes to Arizona.

They know how good he is after he torched them multiple times, they're about to lose their 5 star sharpshooter recruit to overseas, and it just seems like Mathews is keeping his options open.

If nothing else, I won't be as disappointed if he doesn't come to GU by not getting my hopes up.

thespywhozaggedme
06-11-2016, 09:13 AM
the Daniels connection appears to be the key. we'll see. 18 credits, that's intense

Yeah, six classes over the summer is nuts!

ZagsObserver
06-11-2016, 12:13 PM
And Nolan Narain


Yup, the only one that was considered a "done deal" that went elsewhere was Brendan Bailey and apparently even the coaches were caught off guard when he chose Marquette.

exclusivelee
06-11-2016, 01:29 PM
Yup, the only one that was considered a "done deal" that went elsewhere was Brendan Bailey and apparently even the coaches were caught off guard when he chose Marquette.
Not a complete surprise. Stan Johnson was assistant coach gained early commitments from both 2016 prospects Brendan Bailey & Markus Howard while he was at Arizona State. After Herb Sendek's dismissal and Stan Johnson not retained to the staff of the new head coach, Bobby Hurley, a number of kids, including Bailey & Howard reopened their recruitments. Stan Johnson was added as an assistant coach at Marquette and managed to lure both Bailey & Howard there.

exclusivelee
06-11-2016, 01:39 PM
Unconditional release means he can transfer within the Pac 12, right?

If so, I'm calling it that he goes to Arizona.

Or go to USC to join his younger brother, Jonah, who the Zags also recruited & commit to the Trojans for 2016

Or perhaps he would follow his dad, Phil Mathews, to another high major program if Phil is offered an assistant coaching position.

jazzdelmar
06-11-2016, 01:41 PM
Beginning to sound grim for Zags. Wriggling off the hook, if indeed he was ever on it.

23dpg
06-11-2016, 04:53 PM
http://metsmerizedonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Chicken-Little_Sky-is-Falling.jpg?6c20df

NotoriousZ
06-11-2016, 04:59 PM
Beginning to sound grim for Zags. Wriggling off the hook, if indeed he was ever on it.
You know something not reported here? I would say he picks GU, given the info here.

btzag
06-11-2016, 05:15 PM
You know something not reported here? I would say he picks GU, given the info here.

Haha no Jazz does not know anything else. He is just letting his imagination run wild with dire scenarios for the Zags. What has been officially reported by professional journalists is that Mathews is going to transfer and has set up two visits; NC State and our Zags. If we all pay attention all other reports and posts on this are just opinions and feelings and others reporting about how Mathews supposedly is leaning.

I like our chances against NC State in this one.

bartruff1
06-11-2016, 05:43 PM
Jazz is actually Murphy in real life....and that is not always a bad thing.

thespywhozaggedme
06-11-2016, 05:46 PM
You know something not reported here? I would say he picks GU, given the info here.

It's just Jazz being Jazz; he's harmless.

gonzagafan62
06-11-2016, 06:43 PM
Beginning to sound grim for Zags. Wriggling off the hook, if indeed he was ever on it.

Life is fluid, nothing is set in stone

thespywhozaggedme
06-11-2016, 06:45 PM
And Nolan Narain

Yeah, you know what? Now that I read your post, I think I was thinking about Narain and wrote Bailey instead.

thespywhozaggedme
06-11-2016, 06:46 PM
Not a complete surprise. Stan Johnson was assistant coach gained early commitments from both 2016 prospects Brendan Bailey & Markus Howard while he was at Arizona State. After Herb Sendek's dismissal and Stan Johnson not retained to the staff of the new head coach, Bobby Hurley, a number of kids, including Bailey & Howard reopened their recruitments. Stan Johnson was added as an assistant coach at Marquette and managed to lure both Bailey & Howard there.I got Bailey and Narain confused. Virtually everyone thought NN was a Zags lock, including the coaches.

Coach Crazy
06-13-2016, 07:21 AM
I got Bailey and Narain confused. Virtually everyone thought NN was a Zags lock, including the coaches.

And thank goodness he wasn't.

thespywhozaggedme
06-13-2016, 08:38 AM
And thank goodness he wasn't.

Why? Not happy with the numbers that he put up for SDSU this past season?

gonzagafan62
06-13-2016, 11:32 AM
And thank goodness he wasn't.

Huh? Just because you thought he did bad at SDSU doesn't mean he wouldn't have been good at GU. Systems make a bug difference in sports. Especially in college basketball

Coach Crazy
06-13-2016, 11:38 AM
Huh? Just because you thought he did bad at SDSU doesn't mean he wouldn't have been good at GU. Systems make a bug difference in sports. Especially in college basketball

What? I wasn't referencing any performance at SDSU.

DukeSilver
06-13-2016, 11:41 AM
Why? Not happy with the numbers that he put up for SDSU this past season?

Didn't Narain redshirt at SDSU last season? As I recall, we were all very excited at the prospect of him becoming a Zag - I'm sure he'll be a big contributor for the Aztecs this coming season.

BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...

thespywhozaggedme
06-13-2016, 11:44 AM
What? I wasn't referencing any performance at SDSU.

didn't he redshirt?

Coach Crazy
06-13-2016, 12:10 PM
didn't he redshirt?

Yeah.

ZagsObserver
06-13-2016, 12:30 PM
Went to sdsu because they told him he would see the floor right away. Then, he ends up red-shirting...

GU would have been the better option for all parties, imo

exclusivelee
06-13-2016, 12:30 PM
BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...

Hasn't helped much in outrecruiting UW very often

thespywhozaggedme
06-13-2016, 12:47 PM
Didn't Narain redshirt at SDSU last season? As I recall, we were all very excited at the prospect of him becoming a Zag - I'm sure he'll be a big contributor for the Aztecs this coming season.

BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...
That was my point. Crazy Coach said that he was glad that we didn't get him and I was wondering what he based that on, since he didn't play a single minute last season.

Coach Crazy
06-13-2016, 01:11 PM
That was my point. Crazy Coach said that he was glad that we didn't get him and I was wondering what he based that on, since he didn't play a single minute last season.

I wasn't impressed enough with him to currently feel like we lost out on something. Perhaps 4-6 years ago, that would have been a disappointment. I think Cory Kispert has more value than Nolan Narain. I was genuinely disappointed about Brendan Bailey.

zagsfanforlife
06-13-2016, 01:47 PM
First Melson, now NORRAIN. Man, I come to this page to see some news on mathews? Is it that difficult for people to stay on track?

Coach Crazy
06-13-2016, 02:04 PM
First Melson, now NORRAIN. Man, I come to this page to see some news on mathews? Is it that difficult for people to stay on track?

We never recruited a "Norrain". And when there is a lack of consistent news, topics tend to organically trend in certain directions. if it was interrupting an actual conversation, or bogging down the news, I could see certain directions being unnecessary. But that hasn't really been the case with these most recent comments you are referencing.

tinfoilzag
06-13-2016, 02:05 PM
Man, I come to this page to see some news on mathews? Is it that difficult for people to stay on track?

Ahh the off-season. All the bball addicts are having withdrawals and with that come the shakes and hallucinations. It's best to just grab on and see where this thread goes. If you hang around long enough, you'll find out the starting day lineups and where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.

3XaZag
06-13-2016, 02:30 PM
Winter is Coming !!! But what will get here first?

1) A piece of actual recruiting news?

2) Kraziness in the Kennel?

3) Whitewalkers to the Wall?

Zag_Dad
06-15-2016, 07:30 PM
Jordan Matthews just cancelled his visit to NC State but still plans to visit GU next weekend. Looks like he's gonna be a ZAG!

Radbooks
06-15-2016, 07:32 PM
From twitter:


Gonzaga Guru ‏@ZagsGuru 6m6 minutes ago

Jordan Mathews has cancelled his scheduled visit to NC State, but still plans to visit Gonzaga for @SpokaneHoopfest

There are a bunch of other tweets from a NC State person that talk about this... I just can't copy/paste them.

gonzagafan62
06-15-2016, 08:00 PM
From twitter:



There are a bunch of other tweets from a NC State person that talk about this... I just can't copy/paste them.

PackPride said "Expect him to land there (Gonzaga)"

And

Mathews told us tonight he's no longer taking a visit with us, he wants to stay closer to home"

MDABE80
06-15-2016, 08:18 PM
He'll be here. Hushhhhhhhhhhh.

vandalzag
06-16-2016, 06:22 AM
Beginning to sound grim for Zags. Wriggling off the hook, if indeed he was ever on it.


PackPride said "Expect him to land there (Gonzaga)"

And

Mathews told us tonight he's no longer taking a visit with us, he wants to stay closer to home"

I don't know Jazz says it is sounding grim for this one. He must be looking at another school.

Coach Crazy
06-16-2016, 07:15 AM
Awesome. Glad to have this kid.

jazzdelmar
06-16-2016, 12:04 PM
I don't know Jazz says it is sounding grim for this one. He must be looking at another school.

Ready to be as wrong as dirt.....

Coach Crazy
06-16-2016, 12:17 PM
Ready to be as wrong as dirt.....

This is my mentality. Call it like you see it, and if you are wrong. It's a great thing to be wrong about.

Zagdawg
06-16-2016, 08:47 PM
Inside The Kennel ‏@InsideTheKennel 30m30 minutes ago
Biggest takeaway from chatting with Mathews. He is ready to make a huge impact at his next school and winning will be the key factor

ValencyLovesZagsInAtlanta
06-17-2016, 05:19 AM
It looks like a starting lineup of NWG, Perkins, Mathews, J. Will III, and Karno.

That leaves Zach Collins with the best chance to break into that starting 5?

The addition of Mathews is exciting for the teams prospects. He is a cerebral player. Arguably the most intelligent player in the United States of America.

That is a very solid team.

TexasZagFan
06-17-2016, 07:37 AM
Ready to be as wrong as dirt.....

Don't beat yourself up, jazz. I'll keep you updated on a potential point guard for the class of 2029. The young man has great footwork, and the Zags are his favorite college team.

TexasZagFan
06-17-2016, 07:39 AM
It looks like a starting lineup of NWG, Perkins, Mathews, J. Will III, and Karno.

That leaves Zach Collins with the best chance to break into that starting 5?

The addition of Mathews is exciting for the teams prospects. He is a cerebral player. Arguably the most intelligent player in the United States of America.

That is a very solid team.

Will Karno be ready in November?

There are going to be some fierce battles for playing time.

GoZags
06-17-2016, 08:00 AM
Will Karno be ready in November?

There are going to be some fierce battles for playing time.

My guess is he'll be ready to play limited minutes in November and won't re-establish his position as a starter until mid-late December.

jazzdelmar
06-17-2016, 09:08 AM
Don't beat yourself up, jazz. I'll keep you updated on a potential point guard for the class of 2029. The young man has great footwork, and the Zags are his favorite college team.

I have two grandsons now 9 and 11. Both play for riverside church in New York City You never know

Coach Crazy
06-17-2016, 09:28 AM
My guess is he'll be ready to play limited minutes in November and won't re-establish his position as a starter until mid-late December.

This is going to be a great thing for Zach.

NotoriousZ
06-17-2016, 09:41 AM
Ready to be as wrong as dirt.....
I think you're still sufferring from the Sabonis departure. Although I will say that you were much more optimistic while he was here, and perhaps you've just reverted to the original Jazz (not saying that's good or bad).

Cheers!

TexasZagFan
06-17-2016, 10:33 AM
I have two grandsons now 9 and 11. Both play for riverside church in New York City You never know

Not to hijack the thread, but my grandson turns 6 in September, and really loves sports, especially football. He's used to playing with kids several years older than he is. This is his first organized basketball league, and he's pumped!

Considering the family genes, he'll be doing well to make it to the varsity team. It's different from when we were in school. Now, it seems like every kid has a personal coach, to learn the finer points of the game(s). Then you have schools here in the Metroplex where kids are held back a year strictly for athletics.

He's old enough now to join us on the road trips to see the Zags. We may have a larger contingent making the trip to Tennessee this year.

TexasZagFan
06-17-2016, 10:35 AM
This is going to be a great thing for Zach.

I don't want to put too much on Zach, but I suspect he will make an immediate impact.

gonzagafan62
06-17-2016, 10:37 AM
I wonder when Mathews will set up other visits

raise the zag
06-17-2016, 10:59 AM
I wonder when Mathews will set up other visits

Watch out for the Trojan horse sneaking in right under our noses.

phxfireflames
06-17-2016, 11:13 AM
Watch out for the Trojan horse sneaking in right under our noses.

"winning will be the key factor" - USC lost 2 players to the draft, would be go 2 guy but doubt will make tourney

TexasZagFan
06-17-2016, 11:17 AM
Watch out for the Trojan horse sneaking in right under our noses.

With most of the conference road games in California, his dad will have many chances to see him play.

Radbooks
06-17-2016, 11:46 AM
Would USC take 2 guards? They just got Thornton from Duke...


Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 20m20 minutes ago

USC, the early leader, landed Duke transfer Derryck Thornton. 1st reported by @JoshGershon. Now look for KU to make push for Malik Newman.

3XaZag
06-17-2016, 12:04 PM
If the starting line up does turn out to be NWG, Perkins, Mathews*, JWIII, & Karno...even throwing either Collins or Norvell in the mix, the ZAGs will likely field a team with the fewest minutes played together in the history of the run. Karno and Perk only have about 10 games together over the last two years combined.

NWG and JWIII have a year plus in practice coming of their redshirts; that will help. Edwards and Melson will also have some experience with half the squad. Lots of talent that will likely blend quickly, but there could be bumps early in the OOC. Given the dynamic, I can understand why a few pollsters might overlook us or have us down a little, they tend to favor past performance of a group of players - that's why St. Marys is up in some polls. If we get by some of the early challenges (e.g. say 2 or 3 of Cal, Tennessee, Washington & Arizona) our poll ranking will skyrocket. My confidence is high that by the New Year ours will be a team to be feared.

*hope we aren't counting our chickens too early

Coach Crazy
06-17-2016, 12:13 PM
If the starting line up does turn out to be NWG, Perkins, Mathews*, JWIII, & Karno...even throwing either Collins or Norvell in the mix, the ZAGs will likely field a team with the fewest minutes played together in the history of the run. Karno and Perk only have about 10 games together over the last two years combined.

NWG and JWIII have a year plus in practice coming of their redshirts; that will help. Edwards and Melson will also have some experience with half the squad. Lots of talent that will likely blend quickly, but there could be bumps early in the OOC. Given the dynamic, I can understand why a few pollsters might overlook us or have us down a little, they tend to favor past performance of a group of players - that's why St. Marys is up in some polls. If we get by some of the early challenges (e.g. say 2 or 3 of Cal, Tennessee, Washington & Arizona) our poll ranking will skyrocket. My confidence is high that by the New Year ours will be a team to be feared.

*hope we aren't counting our chickens too early

The staff is using its current fortune to pursue the prized eggs. When in the coop...does as the other egg collectors do...

Count those chickens. So close to the next steps...

Zagdawg
06-17-2016, 04:08 PM
Former Cal Guard Jordan Mathews Discusses His Interest In Gonzaga

“The winning culture is so appealing,” the former Cal guard emphasized. “18 straight NCAA appearances speaks for itself. It speaks volumes and the way they reel off wins even when they know that every opponent is coming after them every time. At Gonzaga, you are the marquee game for everyone and it show what Coach Few has built.”

http://www.scout.com/college/gonzaga/story/1679554-cal-transfer-discusses-gonzaga

seacatfan
06-18-2016, 12:04 PM
Would USC take 2 guards? They just got Thornton from Duke...

Matthews will be eligible immediately and only has 1 year left. Thornton has to sit out a RS year. Not sure why they wouldn't take both if they can get them, they won't ever play together at USC.

soccerdud
06-18-2016, 12:15 PM
Matthews will be eligible immediately and only has 1 year left. Thornton has to sit out a RS year. Not sure why they wouldn't take both if they can get them, they won't ever play together at USC.

this. only issue would be if thornton's redshirt-year schollie filled them up. i have no idea what their scholarship chart looks like.

Radbooks
06-18-2016, 12:32 PM
Matthews will be eligible immediately and only has 1 year left. Thornton has to sit out a RS year. Not sure why they wouldn't take both if they can get them, they won't ever play together at USC.

Thanks! I forgot about Thornton having to RS. :)

Zagdawg
06-18-2016, 01:22 PM
Looking Ahead: USC caught by its own success -- Review of USC for upcoming year

"Let's start with the good news. Leading scorer and 3-point threat Jordan McLaughlin is returning and his backcourt running mate, Elijah Stewart, who averaged 9.8 points per game, is there to help, as is Shaqquan Aaron. Aaron, who transferred from Louisville, struggled to earn playing time for the Cardinals but was once a highly-regarded recruit out of Seattle."

"The biggest prize in the incoming class is Jonah Mathews, younger brother of Cal's Jordan Mathews. The ESPN 100 guard is a terrific scorer and should be able to help McLaughlin on the perimeter. Jonah Mathews, however, is the given."

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/115392/looking-ahead-usc-caught-by-its-own-success

DixieZag
06-19-2016, 11:20 AM
Former Cal Guard Jordan Mathews Discusses His Interest In Gonzaga

“The winning culture is so appealing,” the former Cal guard emphasized. “18 straight NCAA appearances speaks for itself. It speaks volumes and the way they reel off wins even when they know that every opponent is coming after them every time. At Gonzaga, you are the marquee game for everyone and it show what Coach Few has built.”

http://www.scout.com/college/gonzaga/story/1679554-cal-transfer-discusses-gonzaga

Sounds like a guy that is coming.

Wait until he sees the town/campus next weekend.

forecast to be mid-low 80s, sunshine.

The set-up couldn't be more perfect.

MileHigh
06-20-2016, 04:01 AM
Good move by MF. Definitly makes the Zags better, but there will be a ripple effect.

There are only so many minutes available at the 2/3 and Mathews looks to take up at least 20+ of those minutes

Don't be surprised if a player transfers FROM Gonzaga soon after Mathews makes his decision.

strikenowhere
06-20-2016, 06:36 AM
Good move by MF. Definitly makes the Zags better, but there will be a ripple effect.

There are only so many minutes available at the 2/3 and Mathews looks to take up at least 20+ of those minutes

Don't be surprised if a player transfers FROM Gonzaga soon after Mathews makes his decision.

Is that a logical assumption on your part or is there some truth in some conversations you've had with a player?

ZagsGoZags
06-20-2016, 10:35 AM
Duke Silver said:
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BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...

this could work both ways if he starts considering AZ or UCLA who have both been whipping us lately

jazzdelmar
06-20-2016, 10:39 AM
Is that a logical assumption on your part or is there some truth in some conversations you've had with a player?

Sounds like a reprise of the dreaded Melson dilemma.

Coach Crazy
06-20-2016, 10:40 AM
Duke Silver said:
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BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...

this could work both ways if he starts considering AZ or UCLA who have both been whipping us lately

Has SDSU really won a ton of recruiting battles against Gonzaga? I mean, I don't really see much evidence that we have missed out on much over the last few years.

jazzdelmar
06-20-2016, 10:46 AM
Has SDSU really won a ton of recruiting battles against Gonzaga? I mean, I don't really see much evidence that we have missed out on much over the last few years.

I think both schools overrated many recruits, like Pope, and thankfully the Aztecs stole most of them...There was that one 5th year kid who would have helped us a lot.

gonzagafan62
06-20-2016, 11:01 AM
I think both schools overrated many recruits, like Pope, and thankfully the Aztecs stole most of them...There was that one 5th year kid who would have helped us a lot.

You referring to Josh Davis from Tulane who was almost here after Olynyk left? He woulda been good, but really glad Dower got the light he deserved. He ran it pretty well

SLOZag
06-20-2016, 11:39 AM
"Mark Few's squad was in my top-15 when I re-ranked the top 25 for 2016-17 in May, but that could change over the next few days. ... Sources have told CBS Sports that Mathews is "essentially a lock" to play for the Bulldogs and his decision to cancel his visit to NC State reiterates that very sentiment. ... If Matthews commits this weekend as expected, there's not a team in college basketball that Gonzaga shouldn't feel like it can compete against next season."

Sweeeet!

http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/observations-providences-kris-dunn-is-the-biggest-wild-card-in-the-nba-draft/

jazzdelmar
06-20-2016, 12:41 PM
One correction. FIVE STAR big man recruit.

MDABE80
06-20-2016, 02:35 PM
Top 10 easily with these guards? With these Bigs? With these #3 spots? Of course. This is a season we could run the entire table. Hard to do but the talent is here, now.

GonzagasaurusFlex
06-20-2016, 04:06 PM
Top 10 easily with these guards? With these Bigs? With these #3 spots? Of course. This is a season we could run the entire table. Hard to do but the talent is here, now.

Doc, step away from the kool-aid!

A lot of ?'s for this team to answer next season just to keep the streak alive and make NCAA's...running the table is an absurd goal except insofar as every team "could" run the table:

- Is NWG healthy?
- Will PK be able to play...and when?
- Who will be the go-to scorer for this team now that Wiltjer and Sabonis are not around?
- Can NWG and Williams adapt and thrive in Gonzaga's highly structured offense in a real game? How will they react to Few reeling them in when they do not run plays?
- Same ? for Mathews...and can he be team-first when he only has one year in this program to audition for the next level...don't kid yourselves, that's what any grad transfer of his talent level is here to do.
- Will Silas Melson become a confident, dependable scorer?
- Has Perkins put the sloppy turnovers behind him?
- Will Norvell / Melson / Collins / Edwards be ok with probably coming off the bench?...What about Alberts? What about Rui, Tillie and Larsen? Chemistry...hard to define, impossible to predict, essential to winning.

These are my legit questions though I realize they may seem Jazzesque, doom & gloom...I am not at all. Very hopeful about the upcoming season, just not drinking any kool-aid

Goshzagit
06-20-2016, 04:30 PM
Doc, step away from the kool-aid!

A lot of ?'s for this team to answer next season just to keep the streak alive and make NCAA's...running the table is an absurd goal except insofar as every team "could" run the table:

- Is NWG healthy?
- Will PK be able to play...and when?
- Who will be the go-to scorer for this team now that Wiltjer and Sabonis are not around?
- Can NWG and Williams adapt and thrive in Gonzaga's highly structured offense in a real game? How will they react to Few reeling them in when they do not run plays?
- Same ? for Mathews...and can he be team-first when he only has one year in this program to audition for the next level...don't kid yourselves, that's what any grad transfer of his talent level is here to do.
- Will Silas Melson become a confident, dependable scorer?
- Has Perkins put the sloppy turnovers behind him?
- Will Norvell / Melson / Collins / Edwards be ok with probably coming off the bench?...What about Alberts? What about Rui, Tillie and Larsen? Chemistry...hard to define, impossible to predict, essential to winning.

These are my legit questions though I realize they may seem Jazzesque, doom & gloom...I am not at all. Very hopeful about the upcoming season, just not drinking any kool-aid

Legitimate concerns.

Very promising team with terrific talent, but far from a 'run the table type team.

Most of these guys are unproven, save NWG....and he's coming off 5 months of rehab.

The majority of this team is either currently injured, rehabbing, or no experience in current system.

Temper.

We are losing two of the most talented Zags off all time, not to mention two 6'10 guys, one of the better defenders in Zag history, & the best glue guy not named Pendo.

Big holes to fill, inexperience abound, & untested Zags. Chemistry is non existent as of right now.

High ceiling with no foundation.

Tillie, Larsen, NWG, JWIII, haven't played hoops in over a year.

It's going to be a slow burn, much like this past season.

exclusivelee
06-20-2016, 04:34 PM
One correction. FIVE STAR big man recruit.
You'd think that a CBS Sports blogger would use Zach's rating from 247Sports since the site is partners with 247Sports. Guess Rothstein must have referenced Zach's star rating from Scout, ESPN, or the 247 composite

seacatfan
06-20-2016, 05:46 PM
Duke Silver said:
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BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...

this could work both ways if he starts considering AZ or UCLA who have both been whipping us lately

Whipping? Arizona has gotten the better of the Zags for the most part, but other than a Tourney game they've been close. And the Zags thumped UA in the Battle in Seattle not all that long ago.

UCLA though? Bruins won last year in Spokane in a close one, year before that Zags handled them fairly easily twice. Once at Pauley and once in the Tourney.

NotoriousZ
06-20-2016, 06:10 PM
...
- Can NWG and Williams adapt and thrive in Gonzaga's highly structured offense in a real game? How will they react to Few reeling them in when they do not run plays?
...
Agree with most of your post but it looks like in this part you're assuming they will not run Few's offence. Even though they didn't play last year, they were at the games and more importantly they were at the practices. I'm banking on NWG and a seasoned Perkins to lead this team back to the NCAA's.

We probably won't rebound as well as last year without Sabonis, but the overall defense should be better without Wiltjer. Yes, we'll definitely miss his scoring, but I think we will have some fantastic shooters this year.

There are question marks for sure with all of the new players coming in, but put me in with the Kool-Aid crowd.

MDABE80
06-20-2016, 07:25 PM
The talent is there for a Big time run the table. Good points point though Flex. I'm not so concerned about Silas. The biggest concern ( assuming each kid plays up to his talent) is what the article mentioned. CAN Few put this group together. He usually does but these guys have unusual talent. I kinda discount Josh and wild passes as Goss should be handling the ball most of the time.
It's a bigger deal than I thought though. 2 new guards and a kid with 1 year experience out front. Right there is a huge issue but I don't know if it'll be a problem. I'll walk back my enthusiasm which for June and the first day of Summer is wild!
Talent wise though, we could beat everyone on the schedule....< he mumbles as he retreats somewhat>....

SLOZag
06-20-2016, 08:24 PM
PackPride said "Expect [Mathews] to land there (Gonzaga)" And Mathews told us tonight he's no longer taking a visit with [N.C. State], he wants to stay closer to home"

This change of circumstances for NC State which occurred just days ago might be explained by the following announcement NC State made today:

"North Carolina State has made another late addition to its 2016-17 recruiting class. Athletics spokesman Fred Demarest said Monday that the school has signed four-star guard Markell Johnson from Cleveland."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nc-state-signs-johnson-addition-recruiting-class-012505968--ncaab.html

gonzagafan62
06-20-2016, 09:49 PM
Duke Silver said:
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BTW, how have we not established a long-standing home-and-home series with SDSU? One great way to start winning these recruiting battles is to whip the opposition on the court ...

this could work both ways if he starts considering AZ or UCLA who have both been whipping us lately

I don't recall UCLA whipping us ever. At least not since the run has started. For the most part we've whipped them

ZagaZags
06-20-2016, 10:06 PM
Good move by MF. Definitly makes the Zags better, but there will be a ripple effect.

There are only so many minutes available at the 2/3 and Mathews looks to take up at least 20+ of those minutes

Don't be surprised if a player transfers FROM Gonzaga soon after Mathews makes his decision.

The big question is, will it be ripple Jr. or ripple Soph.? With Sabonis leaving, I think GU avoided a rip with the big sky.

Time will tell...

gonstu
06-21-2016, 12:15 PM
Doc, step away from the kool-aid!

A lot of ?'s for this team to answer next season just to keep the streak alive and make NCAA's...running the table is an absurd goal except insofar as every team "could" run the table:

- Is NWG healthy?
- Will PK be able to play...and when?
- Who will be the go-to scorer for this team now that Wiltjer and Sabonis are not around?
- Can NWG and Williams adapt and thrive in Gonzaga's highly structured offense in a real game? How will they react to Few reeling them in when they do not run plays?
- Same ? for Mathews...and can he be team-first when he only has one year in this program to audition for the next level...don't kid yourselves, that's what any grad transfer of his talent level is here to do.
- Will Silas Melson become a confident, dependable scorer?
- Has Perkins put the sloppy turnovers behind him?
- Will Norvell / Melson / Collins / Edwards be ok with probably coming off the bench?...What about Alberts? What about Rui, Tillie and Larsen? Chemistry...hard to define, impossible to predict, essential to winning.

These are my legit questions though I realize they may seem Jazzesque, doom & gloom...I am not at all. Very hopeful about the upcoming season, just not drinking any kool-aid

I think Few changed a little bit last year in this respect (see bolded). When Mt. K went down last year, several games where offense looked BAD. Like they didn't know what to do if they couldn't run the offense through the bigs. Also feel like Few noticed that and I think made comments about how hesitant they looked and that he wanted them play looser. It will never be a run wild offense - that's just not how Few is, but a good coach evolves and is flexible based on his personnel - and I think he tried to adjust that last year after PK went down. I will be curious to see how rigid the offense looks this year. I think it will be a great year for zag fans - lots of talent, only question is will it all come together.

Obviously Karno will be a leader presence - but does anyone know which of the guards has most potential to join as a co-leader? Will it be Perkins or NWG?