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Zagdawg
03-31-2016, 09:16 AM
What’s Your College-Basketball Team Worth? (from last year --expect increase this year)

Gonzaga comes in at #48 with adjusted revenues of $9.9 mil and valuation of $41.7 mil

http://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-your-college-basketball-team-worth-1427903905

zagdontzig
03-31-2016, 09:44 AM
Can't read it, don't have a membership. Did the article take into account that there's a direct correlation between an athletic progam's success and the next application cycle's application numbers?

tyra
03-31-2016, 09:51 AM
What's Gonzaga basketball worth? Ask yourself one simple question: how many times have you had a conversation with a prospective student or their parents and told them what a great school Gonzaga is? For myself, I cannot count that high.

Zagdawg
03-31-2016, 09:51 AM
"To calculate what a college team would be worth on the open market, if it could be bought and sold like a pro team, Brewer analyzed each major program’s revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections for each."


Rank School 2014 Adjusted Revenues Valuation
41 Auburn $13,853,377 $45,325,000
42 St John's $13,749,753 $44,983,000
43 Florida State $12,538,121 $44,123,000
44 Georgetown $13,317,664 $43,744,000
45 Memphis $13,300,849 $43,363,000
46 Virginia $12,782,948 $43,054,000
47 Providence $11,663,643 $42,008,000
48 Gonzaga $9,986,646 $41,747,000
49 San Diego State $10,797,875 $41,432,000
50 Virginia Tech $9,865,343 $41,055,000

Rank School 2014 Adjusted Revenues Valuation
51 UNLV $10,923,125 $39,484,000
52 Stanford $10,749,598 $39,292,000
53 Washington $11,021,627 $38,189,000
54 Baylor $11,673,857 $38,156,000
55 Vanderbilt $10,262,636 $37,278,000
56 South Carolina $11,334,445 $36,901,000
57 Oregon $11,274,460 $36,708,000
58 Virginia Commonwealth $11,089,920 $36,669,000
59 LSU $9,764,346 $36,248,000
60 Texas A & M $10,128,827 $34,958,000

FuManShoes
03-31-2016, 09:55 AM
How much is Gonzaga basketball worth? A buck o' five - same as freedom itself.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE8BgQzyktE

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 10:12 AM
Can't read it, don't have a membership. Did the article take into account that there's a direct correlation between an athletic progam's success and the next application cycle's application numbers?

how would you put a value to applications received?

zagdontzig
03-31-2016, 10:46 AM
how would you put a value to applications received?

As application numbers go up, quality of enrollment goes up. As quality of enrollment goes up, tuition increases. As tuition increases, endowment increases. I think it's some combination of looking at the increase in tuition over time, and the endowment.

vandalzag
03-31-2016, 10:54 AM
"To calculate what a college team would be worth on the open market, if it could be bought and sold like a pro team, Brewer analyzed each major program’s revenues and expenses and made cash-flow adjustments, risk assessments and growth projections for each."


Rank School 2014 Adjusted Revenues Valuation
41 Auburn $13,853,377 $45,325,000
42 St John's $13,749,753 $44,983,000
43 Florida State $12,538,121 $44,123,000
44 Georgetown $13,317,664 $43,744,000
45 Memphis $13,300,849 $43,363,000
46 Virginia $12,782,948 $43,054,000
47 Providence $11,663,643 $42,008,000
48 Gonzaga $9,986,646 $41,747,000
49 San Diego State $10,797,875 $41,432,000
50 Virginia Tech $9,865,343 $41,055,000

Rank School 2014 Adjusted Revenues Valuation
51 UNLV $10,923,125 $39,484,000
52 Stanford $10,749,598 $39,292,000
53 Washington $11,021,627 $38,189,000
54 Baylor $11,673,857 $38,156,000
55 Vanderbilt $10,262,636 $37,278,000
56 South Carolina $11,334,445 $36,901,000
57 Oregon $11,274,460 $36,708,000
58 Virginia Commonwealth $11,089,920 $36,669,000
59 LSU $9,764,346 $36,248,000
60 Texas A & M $10,128,827 $34,958,000

That is an interesting number for GU since they do not have Football.

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 11:00 AM
That is an interesting number for GU since they do not have Football.

i believe this analysis is for basketball programs only.

webspinnre
03-31-2016, 11:04 AM
As application numbers go up, quality of enrollment goes up. As quality of enrollment goes up, tuition increases. As tuition increases, endowment increases. I think it's some combination of looking at the increase in tuition over time, and the endowment.

Yep, just look at the changes on campus as far as buildings as just one measure.

Pallet
03-31-2016, 11:10 AM
i believe this analysis is for basketball programs only.

Then how is Auburn or St. Johns worth more? St. Johns at least has some history and a brand name, but Auburn hasn't done anything in college basketball.

vandalzag
03-31-2016, 11:20 AM
i believe this analysis is for basketball programs only.

Thanks that's what I get for skipping ahead.

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 12:22 PM
Then how is Auburn or St. Johns worth more? St. Johns at least has some history and a brand name, but Auburn hasn't done anything in college basketball.

unsure specifically, but i'd guess most of the revenue doesn't come from tickets/concessions/merch/parking/and other gameday/operational items. the bulk is likely due to tv rights, conference payouts (thanks kentucky), and the like. they also might be running a leaner budget to produce a stronger revenue flow-thru.

if this included football money, all the major football conference schools would be light years ahead of the others.

Pallet
03-31-2016, 12:23 PM
unsure specifically, but i'd guess most of the revenue doesn't come from tickets/concessions/merch/parking/and other gameday/operational items. the bulk is likely due to tv rights, conference payouts (thanks kentucky), and the like. they also might be running a leaner budget to produce a stronger revenue flow-thru.

if this included football money, all the major football conference schools would be light years ahead of the others.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of conference related TV money. That makes more sense.

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 12:23 PM
Yep, just look at the changes on campus as far as buildings as just one measure.

but how would you know what % of that to attribute to basketball success? general goodwill could be assessed, but i would HOPE its not all due to basketball. i would ASSUME there are various other institutional initiatives over the past decade that have added value to the school.

anyone have any figures on how the endowment has grown over time? or where it sits in the pecking order in general?

zagdontzig
03-31-2016, 12:57 PM
but how would you know what % of that to attribute to basketball success? general goodwill could be assessed, but i would HOPE its not all due to basketball. i would ASSUME there are various other institutional initiatives over the past decade that have added value to the school.

anyone have any figures on how the endowment has grown over time? or where it sits in the pecking order in general?

Let me take it a step further. Gonzaga's success is "not all due to basketball[,]" a large part of Spokane's national relevance is [largely] due to Zags basketball. It accounts for tournaments at Spokane Arena, and the wildly successful Spokane version of Hoopfest. Otherwise, it would be the city you fly into to go to Coeur d'Alene. If someone had historical endowment figures, tuition rates, application, and enrollment rates, I'm willing to bet everything skyrocketed within 18 months of the first elite 8, then increased or decreased within 24 months of each first round in or out.

Oh, and Bloomsday. That's sort of a big deal.

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 01:05 PM
Let me take it a step further. Gonzaga's success is "not all due to basketball[,]" a large part of Spokane's national relevance is [largely] due to Zags basketball. It accounts for tournaments at Spokane Arena, and the wildly successful Spokane version of Hoopfest. Otherwise, it would be the city you fly into to go to Coeur d'Alene. If someone had historical endowment figures, tuition rates, application, and enrollment rates, I'm willing to bet everything skyrocketed within 18 months of the first elite 8, then increased or decreased within 24 months of each first round in or out.

Oh, and Bloomsday. That's sort of a big deal.

hard to see that in the performance graph, really what you'll see is steady growth since 95. with a fund this size and the way its managed, i think much of your growth will come from market performance (as is shown in the short term dips that coincide with market fluctuations).

interesting data that would help prove your premise would be the donations, especially the count of smaller donations (the type that would be more reactive to the kind of visible success & pride the tournament can bring). i havent seen those figures, but they'd be interesting.

as an aside, i dont know what bloomsday has to do with GU, but thanks for reminding me to register.

http://www.gonzaga.edu/Campus-Resources/Offices-and-Services-A-Z/University-Relations/Giving/Scholarships/img/graphs-allocation-endowment.jpg

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 01:08 PM
quick follow-up on above chart...

my rough math has that ~20 year outlook coming in with a cagr of 7.1%. as a benchmark, S&P for a similar time-frame grew at 7.4%

TexasZagFan
03-31-2016, 01:17 PM
quick follow-up on above chart...

my rough math has that ~20 year outlook coming in with a cagr of 7.1%. as a benchmark, S&P for a similar time-frame grew at 7.4%

A lot of credit should go to Fr. Spitzer. He used the publicity from the BB team to take the school to new heights.

webspinnre
03-31-2016, 01:28 PM
but how would you know what % of that to attribute to basketball success? general goodwill could be assessed, but i would HOPE its not all due to basketball. i would ASSUME there are various other institutional initiatives over the past decade that have added value to the school.

anyone have any figures on how the endowment has grown over time? or where it sits in the pecking order in general?

It's hard to say how much, and hard to say how much is Fr. Spitzer properly leveraging the basketball success. However, it's pretty clear that there has been massive grown in the success of the university as a whole since the basketball run started. That doesn't prove causation, but I think we have pretty good reason to suggest that at least a large part of it was significantly helped along by basketball, and by Fr. Spitzer and the administration effectively leveraging that success to market the university as a whole. The number of applications has skyrocketed, and it's far more difficult to get in now than it was in 1998, and the university has undergone tremendous work in updating the campus as far as renovating and adding new buildings.

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 01:32 PM
It's hard to say how much, and hard to say how much is Fr. Spitzer properly leveraging the basketball success. However, it's pretty clear that there has been massive grown in the success of the university as a whole since the basketball run started. That doesn't prove causation, but I think we have pretty good reason to suggest that at least a large part of it was significantly helped along by basketball, and by Fr. Spitzer and the administration effectively leveraging that success to market the university as a whole. The number of applications has skyrocketed, and it's far more difficult to get in now than it was in 1998, and the university has undergone tremendous work in updating the campus as far as renovating and adding new buildings.

i absolutely agree with you. no doubt in my mind GU basketball has put Gonzaga, and to a smaller degree Spokane, on the map with a certain subset of college basketball fans. when i went to school back east (2001 timeframe), all my friends would comment on gonzaga when finding out where i was from. granted, they thought spokane was a border city of seattle, but they knew gonzaga (and probably didnt even 3 years prior)

my original question in going down this rabbit hole would be how would you put $ against this very broad idea when it comes to basketball program valuation. im sure many schools on the top part of this list could have some sort of claim to adding goodwill to the overall university profile

zagdontzig
03-31-2016, 01:33 PM
hard to see that in the performance graph, really what you'll see is steady growth since 95. with a fund this size and the way its managed, i think much of your growth will come from market performance (as is shown in the short term dips that coincide with market fluctuations).

interesting data that would help prove your premise would be the donations, especially the count of smaller donations (the type that would be more reactive to the kind of visible success & pride the tournament can bring). i havent seen those figures, but they'd be interesting.

as an aside, i dont know what bloomsday has to do with GU, but thanks for reminding me to register.

http://www.gonzaga.edu/Campus-Resources/Offices-and-Services-A-Z/University-Relations/Giving/Scholarships/img/graphs-allocation-endowment.jpg

You're probably right that endowment has to do more with market performance than tournament success, but check out the three spikes. They correlate better than I would've thought

99-2001 - E8, S16, S16
2002-2005 - nothing past Ro32
2006 - S16
2009 - S16 (anomaly?)
2015 - E8

It's not exactly regression-accurate, but those spikes align pretty well... It should also be noted that '95 was the first of three NIT appearances until 99.

I'd also like to see donations, and still application, enrollment, and tuition-related figures.

cbbfanatic
03-31-2016, 01:42 PM
You're probably right that endowment has to do more with market performance than tournament success, but check out the three spikes. They correlate better than I would've thought

99-2001 - E8, S16, S16
2002-2005 - nothing past Ro32
2006 - S16
2009 - S16 (anomaly?)
2015 - E8

It's not exactly regression-accurate, but those spikes align pretty well... It should also be noted that '95 was the first of three NIT appearances until 99.

I'd also like to see donations, and still application, enrollment, and tuition-related figures.

i think the bigger takeaway here might be that gonzaga's high watermarks in basketball have created stock market value, putting billions into the retirement funds of the nation. look at the S&P and Dow Jones trends over the same time... the trend is pretty much the same as the GU endowment graph above.

i'll look for donation figures, that will tell a better story

Ekrub
03-31-2016, 02:36 PM
Let me take it a step further. Gonzaga's success is "not all due to basketball[,]" a large part of Spokane's national relevance is [largely] due to Zags basketball. It accounts for tournaments at Spokane Arena, and the wildly successful Spokane version of Hoopfest. Otherwise, it would be the city you fly into to go to Coeur d'Alene. If someone had historical endowment figures, tuition rates, application, and enrollment rates, I'm willing to bet everything skyrocketed within 18 months of the first elite 8, then increased or decreased within 24 months of each first round in or out.

Oh, and Bloomsday. That's sort of a big deal.

Overstating Gonzaga's effect on Spokane.

zagdontzig
03-31-2016, 02:54 PM
Overstating Gonzaga's effect on Spokane.

Name something else besides Gonzaga Basketball, Hoopfest, and Bloomsday that makes Spokane nationally-relevant. Otto Zehm doesn't count. Talk to your "reliable source" and get back to me.

Zagceo
03-31-2016, 03:06 PM
The medical industrial complex of Spokane way more influential in building Spokane up and out IMO.

Largest city between Seattle and Minneapolis serves a lot of those fly over people.

zagdontzig
03-31-2016, 04:00 PM
The medical industrial complex of Spokane way more influential in building Spokane up and out IMO.

Largest city between Seattle and Minneapolis serves a lot of those fly over people.

Fair point, but is that anything more than a result of the necessity of geography? It's not as if Spokane is the heart of innovative and ground-breaking health care and research. It merely exists because it's the closest.

Still I concede, very fair point.

gonzagafan62
03-31-2016, 04:16 PM
You're probably right that endowment has to do more with market performance than tournament success, but check out the three spikes. They correlate better than I would've thought

99-2001 - E8, S16, S16
2002-2005 - nothing past Ro32
2006 - S16
2009 - S16 (anomaly?)
2015 - E8

It's not exactly regression-accurate, but those spikes align pretty well... It should also be noted that '95 was the first of three NIT appearances until 99.

I'd also like to see donations, and still application, enrollment, and tuition-related figures.

Would be nice I agree!

Oh, and since we are noting it, 95 was actually the first tournament team. 94 was the NIT team

Birddog
03-31-2016, 05:29 PM
It's hard to say how much, and hard to say how much is Fr. Spitzer properly leveraging the basketball success. However, it's pretty clear that there has been massive grown in the success of the university as a whole since the basketball run started. That doesn't prove causation, but I think we have pretty good reason to suggest that at least a large part of it was significantly helped along by basketball, and by Fr. Spitzer and the administration effectively leveraging that success to market the university as a whole. The number of applications has skyrocketed, and it's far more difficult to get in now than it was in 1998, and the university has undergone tremendous work in updating the campus as far as renovating and adding new buildings.

And they call and check up on me a lot more frequently than they used to.

webspinnre
03-31-2016, 05:49 PM
And they call and check up on me a lot more frequently than they used to.

I know, isn't that just so nice of them? :roll:

MTZag03
03-31-2016, 08:40 PM
Likewise on the calls.

kitzbuel
04-01-2016, 03:50 PM
Fair point, but is that anything more than a result of the necessity of geography? It's not as if Spokane is the heart of innovative and ground-breaking health care and research. It merely exists because it's the closest.

Still I concede, very fair point.

Military rivals if not surpasses medical industry.

DixieZag
04-01-2016, 04:10 PM
And they call and check up on me a lot more frequently than they used to.

True story:

About four or five years ago they called me either during an important WCC game (like SMC or something) or during the actual tournament, I remember well b/c I looked at the TV and it was in the 14:00 minute of the 1st half, saw the caller ID come up and literally picked up the phone and said, "You're seriously not calling me in the middle of the first half during the ________ game, are you?" Guy said, "Would another time be better?" - - - "Yes."

webspinnre
04-01-2016, 05:40 PM
I'm so (not) unhappy that they don't have a phone # for my wife or I.