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TexasZagFan
03-14-2016, 01:25 PM
Apologies in advance, but this article from Bloomberg is timely, given Coach Few's remarks. Although it was written last year, it's relevant given that we played in four games in last year's tournament. Much attention is paid to Gonzaga & the WCC, and the numbers are stark, even as their analysis goes back to 1991.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-basketball-fund/

bballbeachbum
03-14-2016, 01:59 PM
great article, thanks for sharing.
if you're wondering how the money works, this article helps

rennis
03-14-2016, 03:59 PM
After GU's run to the E8 last year, those numbers will be even more lopsided for the next few years.

23dpg
03-14-2016, 04:02 PM
Great article and dovetails what Mark Few said last night.

Zagceo
03-14-2016, 04:06 PM
Don't ya think the payouts over 6 years were set-up as barrier to help prevent teams from switching conferences?

TexasZagFan
03-15-2016, 06:53 AM
BTTT

TexasZagFan
03-16-2016, 02:33 PM
My numbers may be off a bit, depending on timing of payments...I used a one year lag for payouts from previous year's tournament, through 2015.

2016: $6.4 million, or $640K per team
2017: $5.3 million, or $530K per team
2018: $4.8 million, or $480K per team

From 2010 to 2015, GU has 14 units, SMC 6, and BYU 4.

Did I miss anything?

TexasZagFan
03-28-2016, 01:59 PM
Bump

cbbfanatic
03-28-2016, 02:07 PM
thanks. interesting breakdown. i didnt realize these payments had such a long tail

TexasZagFan
03-28-2016, 02:23 PM
After GU's run to the E8 last year, those numbers will be even more lopsided for the next few years.

Not when you're a one-bid conference half the time. You get three teams in, two make some noise, you have something to build on. An extra $50K in the recruiting budget can reap dividends.

TexasZagFan
03-04-2018, 07:53 PM
Bump

TexasZagFan
03-04-2018, 07:58 PM
My numbers may be off a bit, depending on timing of payments...I used a one year lag for payouts from previous year's tournament, through 2015.

2016: $6.4 million, or $640K per team
2017: $5.3 million, or $530K per team
2018: $4.8 million, or $480K per team

From 2010 to 2015, GU has 14 units, SMC 6, and BYU 4.

Did I miss anything?

I can't locate my spreadsheet, but the units for 2016-2017 are: GU 8 (3 in 2016, 5 in 2017...no unit for NC game), SMC 2 (2017).

jyboc
03-04-2018, 08:27 PM
This must be fake news???

In another thread Mr. Vulture told me I was wrong when I said Universities were making billions off athletes:

“This is a false statement. Universities are NOT making millions much less billions. In fact, the majority of institutions break even or lose money on athletics. If you want to point who is making the money, that is the NCAA.”

Fake news

willandi
03-04-2018, 09:27 PM
This must be fake news???

In another thread Mr. Vulture told me I was wrong when I said Universities were making billions off athletes:

“This is a false statement. Universities are NOT making millions much less billions. In fact, the majority of institutions break even or lose money on athletics. If you want to point who is making the money, that is the NCAA.”

Fake news

Spread that money over all the athletes, in all the sports and of both sexes at each school, and you'll see it really isn't very much.

Zagceo
03-04-2018, 09:31 PM
That leaves West Coast schools to cheer Gonzaga's success, count the millions it brings them, and pray everything stays the same.



definition of insanity comes to mind

Zaga
03-05-2018, 05:51 AM
Apologies in advance, but this article from Bloomberg is timely, given Coach Few's remarks. Although it was written last year, it's relevant given that we played in four games in last year's tournament. Much attention is paid to Gonzaga & the WCC, and the numbers are stark, even as their analysis goes back to 1991.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-basketball-fund/

Thank you..really interesting to know how it works. Go Zags

Birddog
03-05-2018, 06:27 AM
Apologies in advance, but this article from Bloomberg is timely, given Coach Few's remarks. Although it was written last year, it's relevant given that we played in four games in last year's tournament. Much attention is paid to Gonzaga & the WCC, and the numbers are stark, even as their analysis goes back to 1991.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-basketball-fund/

It was actually written in March 2015, still valuable info. One thing i don't understand is how a school like USF who hasn't been to the tournament in a long while earned a share while LMU (also hasn't been to the tourney in a while) earned 7 shares. What am I missing?

zagfan24
03-05-2018, 06:39 AM
This must be fake news???

In another thread Mr. Vulture told me I was wrong when I said Universities were making billions off athletes:

“This is a false statement. Universities are NOT making millions much less billions. In fact, the majority of institutions break even or lose money on athletics. If you want to point who is making the money, that is the NCAA.”

Fake news

http://www.acenet.edu/news-room/Pages/Myth-College-Sports-Are-a-Cash-Cow2.aspx

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/sports/wp/2015/11/23/running-up-the-bills/?utm_term=.ef8f1ff3b475

TexasZagFan
03-05-2018, 06:52 AM
It was actually written in March 2015, still valuable info. One thing i don't understand is how a school like USF who hasn't been to the tournament in a long while earned a share while LMU (also hasn't been to the tourney in a while) earned 7 shares. What am I missing?

The time period analyzed was from 1991 to 2014. LMU had a couple of good runs with the Westhead/Gaithers teams.

Birddog
03-05-2018, 06:57 AM
The time period analyzed was from 1991 to 2014. LMU had a couple of good runs with the Westhead/Gaithers teams.

OK, got it. Even more remarkable that GU has done it since '99!

TexasZagFan
03-05-2018, 07:42 AM
OK, got it. Even more remarkable that GU has done it since '99!

Since the article was written in March 2015, all GU has done is to make the picture all the more lopsided:

2015: 4 units
2016: 3 units
2017: 5 units. SMC added 2 units last year.

Ergo, in 2017, the WCC earned 6 additional units.

From the link below, GU earned $8,558,920 for the WCC, and SMC earned $3,423,568, or just shy of $12 million to be spread over 6 years. Considering that the WCC office takes a share, that works annually to $2 million/11 = $180,000 for each share for the next six years. Factoring in my rough estimates going back to 2012, here's what the money picture looks like:

2012: GU 2 units, BYU 1, SMC 1
2013: GU 2 units, SMC 1
2014: GU 2 units, BYU 1,
2015: GU 4 units, BYU 1
2016: GU 3 units
2017: GU 5 units, SMC 2

Total: GU 18, SMC 4, BYU 3

2012: $6.4 M
2013: $4.8
2014: $4.8
2015: $8.0
2016: $4.8
2017: $11.8

Payout for 2018 = $40.8/6= $6.8 M/11= $615,000 for each school and the WCC office. Zags contributed $30 million of that, and will get back about 10%. Stealing from the Beatles' Tax Man, "should 10% appear too small, be thankful we don't take it all..."

https://herosports.com/ncaa-tournament/how-much-money-ncaa-tournament-earned-conference-2017-basketball-fund-a7a7

So here's my question: shouldn't a portion of the money given to other 7 schools be required to be spent on improving their teams?

And why couldn't the commissioner's office fund a pooled scouting department? Target major metro areas outside of the West Coast (hint, hint Texas) to broaden the scope and ability of conference teams to recruit players to the conference. Case in point: local boy Jett Raines played for Pepperdine. By all measures he was an unheralded recruit, yet he was honorable mention WCC his senior year.

You could spread the dollars by contracting with various scouting services already in place.

Zagceo
03-05-2018, 09:42 AM
Tex ....to whom goes the interest?

TexasZagFan
03-05-2018, 11:03 AM
Tex ....to whom goes the interest?

Though I detect sarcasm on your part, that's still an interesting question. I think the NCAA distributes (and spends) the money as fast as they receive it. New car dealers are on speed dial when those checks arrive.

Zagceo
03-05-2018, 11:46 AM
Though I detect sarcasm on your part, that's still an interesting question. I think the NCAA distributes (and spends) the money as fast as they receive it. New car dealers are on speed dial when those checks arrive.

so the conferences get the cash quick and bank it and the interest becomes part of the spoils distributed to schools

TexasZagFan
03-13-2019, 04:54 PM
Bump for current year discussion.

bartruff1
03-13-2019, 04:59 PM
I doubt the money is of any consequence at all...nor does it provide any motivation to get into the Tournament or to win games...

The players and coaches want to play in the Tournament and win the game they are playing... I cannot imagine they are thinking about the shares or their distribution …..

In any case it is chump change in a multi million dollar program...the exposure is worth a lot more....just my opinion of course..

willandi
03-13-2019, 07:59 PM
Somewhat related.

Did anybody else react to Vitale's remark about giving the small conferences 8 of the 36 at large bids?

I though it was a crock of excrement designed to appease the smaller conferences while ensuring that the P 6 conferences don't lose too much.

Why not set aside the 32 conference winners/auto bids. Then take out, on the other side, any team that didn't win the auto bid and is under .500 in conference.

Then, w/o looking at the names (and do away with quad wins) take the next 36 teams on the KenPom/NET rankings.

One step further is to, again w/o looking at ANY names, put the 68 teams in order based on said KenPom/NET metrics. At that point, uncover the names and make the few seeding adjustments to not make conference teams face each other in the first round, BUT always adjust the teams down. Don't punish another team to avoid the conference teams. Or not. I really don't care about that. I would guess it only affects P 6 schools anyway.

Let the chips fall where they may.