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cggonzaga
11-21-2015, 05:35 PM
I actually don't think this is a bad thing especially considering our 3 bigs. GU has always had 1 or 2 all conference types but we'd run into trouble when they were off. This season we have 5 talented guards that are going to get better and better all year. We don't have to rely on 1-2 this season. Somebody is off and we have 4 other guards that can step up.

hooter73
11-21-2015, 09:59 PM
Everyone talks about the big 3 down low, it takes guards to get them the ball and space the floor to keep defenses from collapsing on them...

Mantua
11-21-2015, 10:04 PM
The jury is still out, particularly on Josh. What I saw last fall was astonishing for a true freshman. Remember too that the coach has them on a leash until they are proven and things settle down. This is still the experimental time of the season.

CdAZagFan
11-21-2015, 10:14 PM
Everyone talks about the big 3 down low, it takes guards to get them the ball and space the floor to keep defenses from collapsing on them...

Agree with this... Guards are the engine that make it all run. That being said, this group of guards has a high ceiling (and a lower floor than we have been accustomed to). I think there are going to be some real up and downs for this group, but I do think they will get better as the season goes on.

MDABE80
11-21-2015, 10:48 PM
College bball is a guard's game. Without them, to,low assits amd all sort of bad things happen no matter how talentedis the front liner. Ours, right now, are average. Lots of the season left to get better though. I hope they do. I hope they have demon speed and have their track shoes on when we meet UW in a few days. Nobody gets deep in the tournament without very very good guards. They run the show. Verdict is out as of tonight. I'm not sure how they'll do against the better D1 teams........
I think they'll do better when they have some time to know each other and work together. They shot well tonight.

ZagsGoZags
11-22-2015, 06:54 AM
we have had turnover problems early in the season many, many seasons
it is easy to forget that because of the last two years with Pangos and Bell at the helm
Few will work on protecting the ball and we will be much, much better by Dec
our guards, except Kyle D., are like 11 month old German Shepherd puppies, full of passion, strength, energy, speed, but also clumsy and inexperienced

Therunner
11-22-2015, 07:05 AM
It might apply either way, yet pretty sure Dan was referring from previous years to present.

More due to the fact that Coach Few usually has at least 1, even 2 RETURNING All-Conference guards.

Not necessarily stating we don't have any CURRENT All-conference guards.

Too early to tell -- yet pretty certain he wasn't predicting the future, as many have assumed, rather stating all 'newbies'.

Guys like Melson, maybe even Alberts could explode in conference season. Perkins too (once he learns he can butt dribble against pressure defense and can't crossover dribble all the way down the court vs press).

ProjectMKUltra5
11-22-2015, 07:32 AM
I'm already getting tired of everyone ####ting all over the guards. I agree we need to settle down on the turnovers but that's the risk you take when you have guards that can create like ours can. For every turnover these guards have they've made 2 or 3 ridiculous plays that couldn't have been made last season.

No all conference guards, GTFOH with that BS.

Zagger
11-22-2015, 07:53 AM
Dickau - "No all conference guards on team"

Yet!
Go Zags!

krozman
11-22-2015, 08:01 AM
I'm already getting tired of everyone ####ting all over the guards. I agree we need to settle down on the turnovers but that's the risk you take when you have guards that can create like ours can. For every turnover these guards have they've made 2 or 3 ridiculous plays that couldn't have been made last season.

No all conference guards, GTFOH with that BS.

I think you have to put the comment in perspective and calm down a bit. Nobody thinks the future of our guard play is doomed (Meech isn't returning is he omg!). But the first half, which spurned that comment, contained many many "rookie mistakes" by the guards. And the comment came from an all American guard from Gonzaga, so maybe you should show respect to someone who clearly has more knowledge about this position than both of us combined. You should attempt to see the team for what it is: a work in progress that is going to get better. Seeing their faults and the Guards as the "weakest" part of the team is simply an honest statement. We can both agree that those 7+ turnovers in the first half is not what any team would want.

ProjectMKUltra5
11-22-2015, 09:23 AM
I think you have to put the comment in perspective and calm down a bit. Nobody thinks the future of our guard play is doomed (Meech isn't returning is he omg!). But the first half, which spurned that comment, contained many many "rookie mistakes" by the guards. And the comment came from an all American guard from Gonzaga, so maybe you should show respect to someone who clearly has more knowledge about this position than both of us combined. You should attempt to see the team for what it is: a work in progress that is going to get better. Seeing their faults and the Guards as the "weakest" part of the team is simply an honest statement. We can both agree that those 7+ turnovers in the first half is not what any team would want.

Do you see this team as one that will fix that though? Somebody like Emac will never not be turnover prone. A guy like Perkins will never be as efficient as a guy like Pangos. It's just the nature of the beast and that's okay because this group brings so much else to the table. At the end of the day that's my gripe, calling the guards a "weakness" because they're not as efficient, despite still being extremely effective. Is there work to be done? Absolutely, but all this talk is undermining how good this group has already been imo.

Once and Future Zag
11-22-2015, 10:08 AM
It might apply either way, yet pretty sure Dan was referring from previous years to present.

More due to the fact that Coach Few usually has at least 1, even 2 RETURNING All-Conference guards.

Not necessarily stating we don't have any CURRENT All-conference guards.

Too early to tell -- yet pretty certain he wasn't predicting the future, as many have assumed, rather stating all 'newbies'.


That's what I thought he was saying as well - no returning all conference guards.

gonzagabasketball
11-22-2015, 10:52 AM
That's what I thought he was saying as well - no returning all conference guards.

I believe the way he elaborated on the point made it very clear that is what he was implying. My only thought was, who were the returning all conference guards when Pangos and Bell came in as freshmen? Part of what necessitated their needing to play was a complete lack of any capable guards with which to lean on for the duration of starters minutes. Was it Carter? That would be a stretch, even though the technicality of it doesnt detract from the point Dickau was making.

Zagdawg
11-22-2015, 11:29 AM
Dickau was an All American and NBA guard--plus he worked for the Blazers as a player development coach-- he knows guards.

I would concur that we do not currently have any all conf. guards at this stage of the year---but by the end of the season will they develop enough to be considered one (or two)-- I sure hope so.

seacatfan
11-22-2015, 12:53 PM
It might apply either way, yet pretty sure Dan was referring from previous years to present.

More due to the fact that Coach Few usually has at least 1, even 2 RETURNING All-Conference guards.

Not necessarily stating we don't have any CURRENT All-conference guards.


That was how I interpreted his statement also.

cggonzaga
11-22-2015, 02:36 PM
I know it's only 2 games but guard comparison so far to last years team.

This years stats first number.

PPG 45-39
TO 6-8
Steals 6-5
APG 14-12
RPG 18-15

So far better in every category except turnovers.

thegloriousgoateeofKP
11-23-2015, 06:24 AM
The only thing I'm looking for is month-to-month improvement from the guards. Sure, I'd like for them to be good now so we can beat UW but honestly, whether we're a 2-seed or a 4-seed or whatever doesn't much matter to me. If the guards have improved all season long, we'll be a Final Four contender no matter how many games we lost due to turnovers early in the season.

WallaWallaZag
11-23-2015, 09:50 AM
I know it's only 2 games but guard comparison so far to last years team.
This years stats first number.
PPG 45-39
TO 6-8
Steals 6-5
APG 14-12
RPG 18-15
So far better in every category except turnovers.

interesting comparison, but even ignoring the eye-test factor, i have a couple issues: not sure how you're getting your numbers as they don't seem to compute, and you also have to remember that one of the first two games last year was against #22 smu...so even if your stats are right, not exactly an apples to apples comparison...

Vanzagger
11-23-2015, 10:30 AM
I would rather comfortably make Elite 8 than have an All WCC or AA award

Colbyspapa
11-23-2015, 10:43 AM
I'm pretty sure Dan's comment was referring to any returning all conference guards. Other than Kevin and Gary's first year, it has been a while since we didn't have a returning all conference selection. I'm pretty sure if Perkins can handle physical guard play, he has all the tools to be all conference this year.

My biggest concern for these guards isn't turn overs. We knew there would be a steep learning curve this year. My biggest concern is what will our guys do against physical guard play. UW, UCLA, Arizona and tournament teams will try to body up our guards and try to frustrate them with contact. How will our guys respond. Emac doesn't have great handles. We've never seen Perkins play a team that will beat him up over the course of a game. It will be fun to see how the team handles a full court press the whole game and the physical pounding that we will see in the tournament. I'm excited to see this team get better all year.

titopoet
11-23-2015, 10:46 AM
I'm already getting tired of everyone ####ting all over the guards. I agree we need to settle down on the turnovers but that's the risk you take when you have guards that can create like ours can. For every turnover these guards have they've made 2 or 3 ridiculous plays that couldn't have been made last season.

No all conference guards, GTFOH with that BS.

Ahem +1000. I think when it is all said and done Josh will add his name to the great guards in Zags history.

ZagLawGrad
11-23-2015, 10:48 AM
I can't disagree with Dan so far.

zagsfanforlife
11-23-2015, 10:50 AM
Which one of the guards look "All-conference" so far? I wouldnt say any have. Still an ample amount of time left in the season but for those getting on Dan for that comment, I dont think are viewing this objectively.

Salsageek
11-23-2015, 01:57 PM
I would think practicing against NWG every practice should be as good of a scout team PG for Josh & Eric to go up against. I am willing to bet that NWG will have a big impact on our starting guards even though he's red-shirting. Unless he's still hurt and can't practice much then all bets are off.


I'm pretty sure Dan's comment was referring to any returning all conference guards. Other than Kevin and Gary's first year, it has been a while since we didn't have a returning all conference selection. I'm pretty sure if Perkins can handle physical guard play, he has all the tools to be all conference this year.

My biggest concern for these guards isn't turn overs. We knew there would be a steep learning curve this year. My biggest concern is what will our guys do against physical guard play. UW, UCLA, Arizona and tournament teams will try to body up our guards and try to frustrate them with contact. How will our guys respond. Emac doesn't have great handles. We've never seen Perkins play a team that will beat him up over the course of a game. It will be fun to see how the team handles a full court press the whole game and the physical pounding that we will see in the tournament. I'm excited to see this team get better all year.

Vanzagger
11-23-2015, 02:07 PM
Which one of the guards look "All-conference" so far? I wouldnt say any have. Still an ample amount of time left in the season but for those getting on Dan for that comment, I dont think are viewing this objectively.

If none of our guards get a little All WCC prize at the end of the season it's because we have 5 guards who would start for just about everyone. They will certainly cannibalize each others stats. So the only stat that matters is W's.