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The509sfinest
08-09-2015, 04:09 PM
5 star Arizona decommit TJ Leaf has Gonzaga in his top 8, what are the odds we land this guy? Would be awesome if we had him and Collins! Heard he is favoring UCLA though, but wow what a get he would be for 2016, I don't think he really has a better choice than Gonzaga if he wants to win. 2016 would turn from a great year into a greater year!

webspinnre
08-09-2015, 05:01 PM
My guess? 5%.

DixieZag
08-09-2015, 06:37 PM
I have no idea about him, but we sure seem to have luck with guys having second thoughts, whenever they occur.

MDABE80
08-09-2015, 06:58 PM
He quit AZ because he didn't make the U 19 squad..........not so sure he'd be happy here.

jazzdelmar
08-09-2015, 07:14 PM
Less than zero. Prima Donna alert.

gonzagafan62
08-09-2015, 08:42 PM
Don't like our chances at all

ZagaZags
08-09-2015, 08:47 PM
Look for UCLA & SDSU to be in his final 5.

LongIslandZagFan
08-10-2015, 06:40 AM
SDSU... With the volume of kids pulled in here... how long before the NCAA starts sniffing around. But JMHO, they are only slightly better than UW in that while they get the kids, they don't do much with them when they get them.

zag39
08-10-2015, 07:30 AM
because,SDSU is girls to wear bikinis around campus.

http://gymstimulus.com/top-10-college-campuses-with-the-hottest-girls/

ProjectMKUltra5
08-10-2015, 08:24 AM
SDSU... With the volume of kids pulled in here... how long before the NCAA starts sniffing around. But JMHO, they are only slightly better than UW in that while they get the kids, they don't do much with them when they get them.

Really? Fisher is a bazillion times better imo. The way Romar misuses some of his kids is almost criminal, at least fisher can get his kids to buy in and play defense

ProjectMKUltra5
08-10-2015, 08:31 AM
Oh and back on topic, word on the street is the Adidas conspiracy is in full effect so I'd expect him to go to an adidas school. He's also trying to play with his AAU Compton Magic teammate Jaylen Hands (2017 PG) who's also heavy UCLA lean. Smart money is on UCLA right now

Imo a guy like leaf represents that next "next" level type of recruiting that we've yet to reach. We're having success with top 50 type players but those top 10 top 15 types of kids are gunna be harder to crack.

CDC84
08-10-2015, 08:38 AM
I have been told by a talent evaluator that I trust that Leaf is overranked. He's not one of the top 15 players in the class. Still very good, but not super elite.

The one thing I wish Fisher would do is teach his kids how to put the ball in the hoop. I like good defense as much as the next dude, but that Aztec crew last year was unbearable to watch.

jazzdelmar
08-10-2015, 11:00 AM
SDSU... With the volume of kids pulled in here... how long before the NCAA starts sniffing around. But JMHO, they are only slightly better than UW in that while they get the kids, they don't do much with them when they get them.

I agree Guyland. I've been sniffing around too. Some whispers, mostly of the the "if it walks like a duck" variety, but nothing firm. I'm waiting for that headline in the morning fish wrap that says it all.

jazzdelmar
08-10-2015, 11:02 AM
I have been told by a talent evaluator that I trust that Leaf is overranked. He's not one of the top 15 players in the class. Still very good, but not super elite.

The one thing I wish Fisher would do is teach his kids how to put the ball in the hoop. I like good defense as much as the next dude, but that Aztec crew last year was unbearable to watch.


If he is, he's not the first in the family. His younger brother was a high school sensation, I think he still holds the scoring record in the state of California. He average something like 40 points a game. But he ended up going to a lower level Division I program and I think ended up in a Division III. I think Daddy is committed to making sure that doesn't happen again.

This was a few years ago:

Junior guard Troy Leaf of Foothills Christian in El Cajon has cracked the CIF-San Diego Section Top 10 for career scoring.

The 6-foot-3 Leaf has produced 2,066 points to move into a tie for eighth with El Cajon Valley’s Kemmy Burgess (1996-99). In his previous game, Leaf passed Floyd North (Helix-St. Augustine, 1998-01) who now stands 10th at 2,039.

With seven regular season games and a possible four playoff games remaining, Leaf (25.4 points per game) could add 776 points to his tab if he maintained his current average. That would lift him into third place.

He ended up at Azusa Pacific:

http://www.apu.edu/athletics/basketball/mens/roster/leaftroy13/

More on the Leaf family:

PERSONAL: Born May 26, 1991, in Indianapolis, Ind., to Brad (contractor) and Karen (junior high principal) Leaf ... Is the second of four children, with one older brother (Trent), one younger brother (TJ) and one younger sister (Talia) ... Was coached in high school by his father, Brad, who played basketball collegiately at Evansville University in Indiana

TheGonzagaFactor
08-10-2015, 11:25 AM
Less than zero. Prima Donna alert.

Exactly. That de-commitment from Arizona makes it look like this guy thinks he's way better than he is and doesn't care what he has to do to "prove" it.

It'd be hilarious if no other good school would take him. I just imagine Alford at UCLA "well I didn't choose you for the U-19 team either, you gonna cwwwwy and de commit??"

Zagceo
08-10-2015, 12:10 PM
Just curious……..not saying it happened in this case but has anyone ever heard of a committed recruit getting turned away by the program and then saving face by saying they are de-committing?

jazzdelmar
08-10-2015, 12:25 PM
Just curious……..not saying it happened in this case but has anyone ever heard of a committed recruit getting turned away by the program and then saving face by saying they are de-committing?


I am sure Seannie Miller is not crying on the beach over this defection. Zona always has options, 5 star options......

ProjectMKUltra5
08-10-2015, 01:34 PM
Yeah, I'm not saying this didn't have anything to do with his decommitment but it's false that Sean Miller is the one who cut Leaf, or is solely responsible for cutting Leaf. The u19 team is selected by a committee that includes Jim Beoheim, Bob McKillop, and Matt Painter. All the U.S. national basketball teams are selected in this manner.


"Sean is very involved, and we want him to be involved,” said Sean Ford, director of USA Basketball’s Men’s National Team. “But it is ultimately the committee’s responsibility more than Sean’s to select the players"


"The selection process has been in place for a long time, and one of the things that makes sense is not allowing the actual coach to have influence on the team, because things can potentially be political,” Miller said. “USA Basketball has had a committee in place at every level from the young guys to the Dream Team, with coach Boeheim leading the charge."

MDABE80
08-10-2015, 06:32 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/8/7/9116033/tj-leaf-recruiting-decommit-arizona-ucla-duke-indiana

jazzdelmar
08-10-2015, 06:52 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2015/8/7/9116033/tj-leaf-recruiting-decommit-arizona-ucla-duke-indiana

Primadonna and a left back kid, double trouble. Kudos to Seannie.

hooter73
08-10-2015, 07:51 PM
because,SDSU is girls to wear bikinis around campus.

http://gymstimulus.com/top-10-college-campuses-with-the-hottest-girls/

Excuse me while I register for the masters program at SDSU :D

PHSBBall
08-10-2015, 10:08 PM
Primadonna and a left back kid, double trouble. Kudos to Seannie.

Almost disturbing the perceived animosity that you seem to have towards a HIGH SCHOOL kid, did he dunk on your kid or something lol.

Arizona did not want this kid to leave, actually quite the opposite as they were extremely high on what he would bring to their program.

Just amazing to me that so many adults would stoop to such a low level and trash a kid and his family just because he can play basketball.

MDABE80
08-10-2015, 11:25 PM
"It's just amazing to me that so many adults would stoop to such a low level and trash a kid and his family just because he can play basketball"

There's that logic shinin' through;)

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 12:28 AM
I would hope Leaf's father would visit this board and see GU isn't a school for his son.( sarcasm alert.) I don't believe GU will make his top 5 but this thread should help put the nail in the coffin to axe Gonzaga. Parents/players read GU Boards, sometimes people need to think before they hit reply. I still stand by my claim UCLA & SDSU will be in the final 5.

MDABE80
08-11-2015, 12:45 AM
Few makes the choices around here. If he wants him and the kid wants us, he signs and that's that. ALthough the press is equivocal, only the recruiters know how good or not a kid is. We can make evaluations on this board. I doubt Few gives one sht how the board feels.......... Few is the final guy. Hes got to coach him and be sure he fits. Something tells me, he wants a different profile as to the school he choses. And that's ok.........

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 01:08 AM
Few makes the choices around here. If he wants him and the kid wants us, he signs and that's that. ALthough the press is equivocal, only the recruiters know how good or not a kid is. We can make evaluations on this board. I doubt Few gives one sht how the board feels.......... Few is the final guy. Hes got to coach him and be sure he fits. Something tells me, he wants a different profile as to the school he choses. And that's ok.........

I doubt Few reads GU Boards, I know parents and players do. End of story.

MDABE80
08-11-2015, 01:10 AM
we've known that for years. nothing new.

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 01:16 AM
we've known that for years. nothing new.

That is the reason for post #24.


I would hope Leaf's father would visit this board and see GU isn't a school for his son.( sarcasm alert.) I don't believe GU will make his top 5 but this thread should help put the nail in the coffin to axe Gonzaga. Parents/players read GU Boards, sometimes people need to think before they hit reply. I still stand by my claim UCLA & SDSU will be in the final 5.

Carry on with the Leaf bashing thread. ( Not intended for Abe.)

Birddog
08-11-2015, 03:24 AM
This thread has me wondering if GUBoards is now offering an AA in "Conjecture".

TheGonzagaFactor
08-11-2015, 06:13 AM
I would hope Leaf's father would visit this board and see GU isn't a school for his son.( sarcasm alert.) I don't believe GU will make his top 5 but this thread should help put the nail in the coffin to axe Gonzaga. Parents/players read GU Boards, sometimes people need to think before they hit reply. I still stand by my claim UCLA & SDSU will be in the final 5.

Good.

LongIslandZagFan
08-11-2015, 06:24 AM
When I see a decommit when they are a top player, it raises a bit of a red flag for me. But that being said, I don't know enough about the kid to start bashing him as a primadonna or anything else. If he comes to GU on a visit, meshes well with the team and commits... great. Remember, at GU it is all about team and chemistry, so if he fits into that...great... if not... best of luck on his choice. All signs point to GU not being in his real desires... but who knows.

TexasZagFan
08-11-2015, 06:31 AM
because,SDSU is girls to wear bikinis around campus.

http://gymstimulus.com/top-10-college-campuses-with-the-hottest-girls/

Not going there...at least while I'm at work... :lmao:

TexasZagFan
08-11-2015, 06:33 AM
This thread has me wondering if GUBoards is now offering an AA in "Conjecture".

You're shooting too low, BD...it's been a PhD for years.

Birddog
08-11-2015, 06:50 AM
You're shooting too low, BD...it's been a PhD for years.

Must be an uncredited program judging by the scholarship.

seacatfan
08-11-2015, 08:54 AM
This is kinda weird. A while ago I made a post about possible red flags with potential recruit McLaughlin that had committed and decommitted twice already. My post was deleted by mods. On this thread rampant speculation and criticizing of a kid is allowed by multiple posters. A bit inconsistent perhaps?

ProjectMKUltra5
08-11-2015, 09:36 AM
It's a GUBoards pastime, baseless trashing of 16-18 year old kids because they spurn Gonzaga. And let's be real, that's why Jazz and TheGonzagaFactor have the onions to trash a kid for no reason. They know they won't have to eat crow because the odds of Leaf showing up in Spokane are slim to none. He will end up at UCLA and we'll all move on and be none the wiser. It's the perfect situation for people like Jazz to act like arrogant #####s, they can spout off with zero accountability.

I can't wait til GU starts to land kids like this. Watching fans like those two squirm and wiggle about trying to justify how our 5 star top 15 ranked kids are different from all the other 5 star top 15 kids they trashed (like Leaf) is going to be comedic gold.

gonzagafan62
08-11-2015, 09:58 AM
It's a GUBoards pastime, baseless trashing of 16-18 year old kids because they spurn Gonzaga. And let's be real, that's why Jazz and TheGonzagaFactor have the onions to trash a kid for no reason. They know they won't have to eat crow because the odds of Leaf showing up in Spokane are slim to none. He will end up at UCLA and we'll all move on and be none the wiser. It's the perfect situation for people like Jazz to act like arrogant #####s, they can spout off with zero accountability.

I can't wait til GU starts to land kids like this. Watching fans like those two squirm and wiggle about trying to justify how our 5 star top 15 ranked kids are different from all the other 5 star top 15 kids they trashed (like Leaf) is going to be comedic gold.

Haha true. Is there an ignore thread button?

sittingon50
08-11-2015, 11:03 AM
Sorry, but does anybody know when the tacos will be delivered?

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 11:53 AM
Sorry, but does anybody know when the tacos will be delivered?

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/07/8f/2b/60/you-get-what-you-pay.jpg

DADoZAG
08-11-2015, 11:54 AM
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/07/8f/2b/60/you-get-what-you-pay.jpg

Isn't there a taco truck from SDSU?

Go ZAGS!

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 11:59 AM
Isn't there a taco truck from SDSU?

Go ZAGS!


http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/images/news_slideshow_photos/resAprox640x425__00955-wahoos.jpg

I posted the one from Kauai because I will be going back there in 2 weeks. Happiest place on earth.

LongIslandZagFan
08-11-2015, 12:05 PM
http://media.giphy.com/media/stVbNCK1U2sIo/giphy.gif

LongIslandZagFan
08-11-2015, 12:06 PM
https://media3.giphy.com/media/pxXV5nDJhHthm/200.gif

229SintoZag
08-11-2015, 12:30 PM
It's a GUBoards pastime, baseless trashing of 16-18 year old kids because they spurn Gonzaga. And let's be real, that's why Jazz and TheGonzagaFactor have the onions to trash a kid for no reason. They know they won't have to eat crow because the odds of Leaf showing up in Spokane are slim to none. He will end up at UCLA and we'll all move on and be none the wiser. It's the perfect situation for people like Jazz to act like arrogant #####s, they can spout off with zero accountability.

I can't wait til GU starts to land kids like this. Watching fans like those two squirm and wiggle about trying to justify how our 5 star top 15 ranked kids are different from all the other 5 star top 15 kids they trashed (like Leaf) is going to be comedic gold.

To be fair to Jazz, he has consistently been an equal-opportunity kid trasher, having historically ripped on and trashed not only a ton of Gonzaga players over the years, but Few, assistant coaches, the administration etc as well. If you think Jazz's scorn is reserved only for those who turn down Gonzaga, and not also for those who show up, you haven't been paying attention. And Jazz will be the first to agree with me on this I am sure.

ZAGGED OUT
08-11-2015, 12:45 PM
It's a GUBoards pastime, baseless trashing of 16-18 year old kids because they spurn Gonzaga. And let's be real, that's why Jazz and TheGonzagaFactor have the onions to trash a kid for no reason. They know they won't have to eat crow because the odds of Leaf showing up in Spokane are slim to none. He will end up at UCLA and we'll all move on and be none the wiser. It's the perfect situation for people like Jazz to act like arrogant #####s, they can spout off with zero accountability.

I can't wait til GU starts to land kids like this. Watching fans like those two squirm and wiggle about trying to justify how our 5 star top 15 ranked kids are different from all the other 5 star top 15 kids they trashed (like Leaf) is going to be comedic gold.

It's not entirely baseless. Multiple accounts online stating the same reasons for his decommitt. Will it be comedic gold when he ends up at a college and transfers because of competition? Do we come back to your post at that point?

Point is, that's all conjecture. Just like your opinion of how "trashing" Leaf will come back around.

TheZagPhish
08-11-2015, 01:19 PM
http://cl.ly/cD57/shaq-tacos.gif

TheZagPhish
08-11-2015, 01:19 PM
http://cl.ly/cD6p/three-amigos.gif

TheZagPhish
08-11-2015, 01:20 PM
http://cl.ly/cD95/hovering-taco.gif

LongIslandZagFan
08-11-2015, 01:21 PM
Hover Taco.... sweet. I thought the technology was years away... yet here it is.

229SintoZag
08-11-2015, 01:45 PM
Am I the only one who perused through this thread and saw Leaf...bla bla bla....San Diego....bla bla bla...overrated....bla bla bla....prima donna .....

And had flashbacks to this guy?

http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/ryanleaf.jpg

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 02:09 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dkpgI.gif

seacatfan
08-11-2015, 02:22 PM
Hey, I'm making tacos for dinner tonight! But I bought all the fixings yesterday, so I don't think anyone posting pictures of taco related stuff on this thread can take credit for influencing me.

Bogozags
08-11-2015, 02:27 PM
Am I the only one who perused through this thread and saw Leaf...bla bla bla....San Diego....bla bla bla...overrated....bla bla bla....prima donna .....

And had flashbacks to this guy?

http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/ryanleaf.jpg

Wait just one minute, you're telling me they are not related! Then maybe, just maybe this kid might well be the real deal! Is that possible?

LongIslandZagFan
08-11-2015, 08:12 PM
Hey, I'm making tacos for dinner tonight! But I bought all the fixings yesterday, so I don't think anyone posting pictures of taco related stuff on this thread can take credit for influencing me.

I had tacos today from a new joint called Texas Tacos near me.... dang tasty stuff.

hondo
08-11-2015, 08:39 PM
Have any of you tried fried oyster tacos?---yummy!!!
http://bennydoro.com/chef/recipes/fried-oyster-taco/

DixieZag
08-11-2015, 09:21 PM
I had tacos today from a new joint called Texas Tacos near me.... dang tasty stuff.


Of course, Texas invented Mexican food.

I could go for some pulled pork with a soft shell tonight but I'm out of salsa and don't want to go to the store. If anyone has some leftover, can they put it in a plastic cup and PM it to me?

seacatfan
08-11-2015, 09:32 PM
Of course, Texas invented Mexican food.

I could go for some pulled pork with a soft shell tonight but I'm out of salsa and don't want to go to the store. If anyone has some leftover, can they put it in a plastic cup and PM it to me?

3D printer? Does that work for food yet?

ZagaZags
08-11-2015, 09:41 PM
Of course, Texas invented Mexican food.

I could go for some pulled pork with a soft shell tonight but I'm out of salsa and don't want to go to the store. If anyone has some leftover, can they put it in a plastic cup and PM it to me?

http://www.hotsauce.com/v/vspfiles/photos/1432CH-2.jpg

I love this stuff.

kitzbuel
08-12-2015, 03:50 AM
Have any of you tried fried oyster tacos?---yummy!!!
http://bennydoro.com/chef/recipes/fried-oyster-taco/

Gra$$hopper tacos.....seriously

http://dcist.com/attachments/dcist_sarah/oyamel%20taco.jpg

LongIslandZagFan
08-12-2015, 06:28 AM
Of course, Texas invented Mexican food.

I could go for some pulled pork with a soft shell tonight but I'm out of salsa and don't want to go to the store. If anyone has some leftover, can they put it in a plastic cup and PM it to me?

Mine were Carne Asada, sauteed onions, Jalapenos, lettuce, chipotle aoili... just plain yummy

DixieZag
08-12-2015, 08:04 AM
Mine were Carne Asada, sauteed onions, Jalapenos, lettuce, chipotle aoili... just plain yummy

Stop it!

amaronizag
08-12-2015, 09:29 AM
Is it blaspheme to admit I had tamales last night?

Bogozags
08-12-2015, 11:52 AM
3D printer? Does that work for food yet?

God, I hate getting old, what was that food thing they had in Star Trek...Now, that invention would win a Nobel Prize!

LongIslandZagFan
08-12-2015, 12:04 PM
God, I hate getting old, what was that food thing they had in Star Trek...Now, that invention would win a Nobel Prize!

Showing my age and nerdiness... It was a Replicator.

LongIslandZagFan
08-12-2015, 12:12 PM
Is it blaspheme to admit I had tamales last night?

TAMALES???

http://38.media.tumblr.com/08db1585a1a1f640b29da8afbe263c2a/tumblr_nnqivwlGDK1uthewko1_500.gif

ZagaZags
08-13-2015, 12:55 AM
Today's Special

http://logos-vector.com/images/logo/xxl/8/8/5/88584/Taco_Del_Mar_bc44b_450x450.png http://storage.googleapis.com/zgt-user/Gusanos_tacos_at_caracol_houston_header.jpeg

ZagNation
08-13-2015, 01:49 AM
Showing my age and nerdiness... It was a Replicator.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Fo_VXl5cb00

Bogozags
08-13-2015, 04:11 AM
Showing my age and nerdiness... It was a Replicator.

Wow, THANKS LIZF...I knew it was a ten letter word just couldn't remember which one...:D

(By the way I loved all those Star Trek series and movies...I believe hearing on NPR it is the most successful franchise ever.)

TexasZagFan
08-13-2015, 04:52 AM
Of course, Texas invented Mexican food.

I could go for some pulled pork with a soft shell tonight but I'm out of salsa and don't want to go to the store. If anyone has some leftover, can they put it in a plastic cup and PM it to me?

I don't know if Texas invented Mexican food, but El Paso is heaven when it comes to Mexican food. My father-in-law made the best Chile Colorado I've ever eaten, and my mother-in-law's enchiladas verdes were out of this world. Chiles from Hatch, NM are considered among the best in the world, and I'll go to the local store to pick up Hatch salsa whenever I'm in west Texas.

When I sat down to eat that Chile Colorado the first time, he warned me he made it a "bit hotter than normal". He came back every few minutes to ask me if I was okay. With tears rolling down my cheeks, I kept saying I was ok. He stopped asking when I went back for thirds.

My FIL was a great man. The happiest I ever saw him was in the kitchen, cooking for any number of his fifteen (at that time) grandchildren. The younger ones would just look at him with awe when he spoke to them. His ten children all graduated from HS, with all but a couple earning at least a bachelor's degree.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

If you're ever in El Paso, just head over to a main drag called Alameda (street or avenue I can't recall at the moment). There are literally hundreds of mom & pop restaurants serving world class Mexican food. If you're looking for an "experience", places like Carlos & Mickey's and Forti's will do quite nicely.

ZagNut08
08-13-2015, 05:32 AM
Agreed, El Paso has the best Mexican food I've ever tasted, light years ahead of what I grew up on in SoCal. Forti's was my favorite

sittingon50
08-13-2015, 09:23 AM
I don't know if Texas invented Mexican food, but El Paso is heaven when it comes to Mexican food. My father-in-law made the best Chile Colorado I've ever eaten, and my mother-in-law's enchiladas verdes were out of this world. Chiles from Hatch, NM are considered among the best in the world, and I'll go to the local store to pick up Hatch salsa whenever I'm in west Texas.

When I sat down to eat that Chile Colorado the first time, he warned me he made it a "bit hotter than normal". He came back every few minutes to ask me if I was okay. With tears rolling down my cheeks, I kept saying I was ok. He stopped asking when I went back for thirds.

My FIL was a great man. The happiest I ever saw him was in the kitchen, cooking for any number of his fifteen (at that time) grandchildren. The younger ones would just look at him with awe when he spoke to them. His ten children all graduated from HS, with all but a couple earning at least a bachelor's degree.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread.

If you're ever in El Paso, just head over to a main drag called Alameda (street or avenue I can't recall at the moment). There are literally hundreds of mom & pop restaurants serving world class Mexican food. If you're looking for an "experience", places like Carlos & Mickey's and Forti's will do quite nicely.

Which hijack? Run of the mill tacos or TJ Leaf? :lmao:

CDC84
08-13-2015, 09:38 AM
Agreed, El Paso has the best Mexican food I've ever tasted, light years ahead of what I grew up on in SoCal. Forti's was my favorite

Anywhere in the state of NM as well. The key is the Hatch chile. There's nothing like it on this planet. They aren't just hot, but super flavorful as well. The state has an abundant crop this year. Supermarkets roast the chiles for you right in the parking lot.

In NM they even have a green chile cheeseburger trail that the NM visitor's bureau has put together:

http://www.newmexico.org/green-chile-cheeseburger/

New Mexico State Univ. actually has a chile pepper institute:

http://www.chilepepperinstitute.org/

zagsfanforlife
08-13-2015, 09:52 AM
Agreed, El Paso has the best Mexican food I've ever tasted, light years ahead of what I grew up on in SoCal. Forti's was my favorite

Must not have been to the right places in So cal. Sorry. We got the best. Gotta find authentic local mexican places.

hondo
08-13-2015, 10:02 AM
CDC84 knows from whence he speaks on these matters. Trust me, he knows.

CDC84
08-13-2015, 10:24 AM
I hope people understand that there are different "types" of Mexican food. Just like there are different "types" of BBQ (but don't tell that to people who reside in Carolina, Kansas City, etc.). I grew up in SoCal while all my relatives lived in NM, so I got to taste both ends of the spectrum quite frequently. There are many items on a New Mexican Food menu that you will never see in L.A. simply because those cooks don't work with the same ingredients.

zagsfanforlife
08-13-2015, 10:26 AM
I hope people understand that there are different "types" of Mexican food. Just like there are different "types" of BBQ (but don't tell that to people who reside in Carolina, Kansas City, etc.). I grew up in SoCal while all my relatives lived in NM, so I got to taste both ends of the spectrum quite frequently. There are many items on a New Mexican Food menu that you will never see in L.A. simply because those cooks don't work with the same ingredients.

Who has the best BBQ?????? mmmm... Hoping they have great bbq in Houston. Final Four baby

CDC84
08-13-2015, 10:32 AM
Texas BBQ is different from other places:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2011/02/what-are-the-barbecue-regional-styles-cooking-carolinas-kansas-city-tennessee-st-louis-ribs-pork-chicken.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/what-are-the-major-bbq-st_b_3329295.html

The brisket is to die for.

TheZagPhish
08-13-2015, 10:33 AM
:1bestever:

DixieZag
08-13-2015, 11:24 AM
I hope people understand that there are different "types" of Mexican food. Just like there are different "types" of BBQ (but don't tell that to people who reside in Carolina, Kansas City, etc.). I grew up in SoCal while all my relatives lived in NM, so I got to taste both ends of the spectrum quite frequently. There are many items on a New Mexican Food menu that you will never see in L.A. simply because those cooks don't work with the same ingredients.

The certainly are different types of Mexican food, from lighter seafood stuff on the pacific coast, to the hotter beefier stuff in NM....

But, ultimately, they all trace their roots back to malls around the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex - maybe at the DFW airport (not sure), where traditional, "old-school," no excuses, Mexican food was invented.

DixieZag
08-13-2015, 11:28 AM
Who has the best BBQ?????? mmmm... Hoping they have great bbq in Houston. Final Four baby

One word, three restaurants,

Lockkhart

Or, Leatha's - Hattiesburg MS - where, on the wall, you can see the testimony in agreement by BB King, Brett Favre and John Madden - whose bus always seemed to find its way through. Dry rub ribs so good it was perfectly acceptable to have a rehearsal dinner in shorts, flip-flops, around a lake with a bunch of napkins.

CDC84
08-13-2015, 12:53 PM
The certainly are different types of Mexican food, from lighter seafood stuff on the pacific coast, to the hotter beefier stuff in NM....

But, ultimately, they all trace their roots back to malls around the Dallas-Forth Worth Metroplex - maybe at the DFW airport (not sure), where traditional, "old-school," no excuses, Mexican food was invented.

If you want to go way back, the general school of thinking is that it originated with the Mayan Indians in the mid-1300's.

DixieZag
08-13-2015, 02:09 PM
If you want to go way back, the general school of thinking is that it originated with the Mayan Indians in the mid-1300's.

Some of those ruins look like they were malls.

Regardless, I'm sure you're right - maze, spices, but in the name of all that is holey, praise God that someone did.

MDABE80
08-13-2015, 02:30 PM
Juanita's on the old highway 1 between Cardiff and Encinitas............ Holy Christ.........3 days of foos they serve so much. Delicious stuff.

jazzdelmar
08-13-2015, 02:41 PM
Juanita's on the old highway 1 between Cardiff and Encinitas............ Holy Christ.........3 days of foos they serve so much. Delicious stuff.


Doc, are you in my hood?

MDABE80
08-13-2015, 03:44 PM
I bought a 9 unit apt house up on Neptune years ago. I got to know that place more than I should have. Best food I've had of the mexicana variety. All from scratch.

Birddog
08-13-2015, 06:02 PM
I had home made calabacitas and pork tamales for dinner. Unfortunately the tamales were from the store though it was home made red chile on top. There is nothing quite like New Mexico's green chile, even when it's red. Best tamales I've had were from Rosa's in Austin and Theresa's in Cleveland NM. Best Chile Relleno was from Roberto's in Taos, sadly now closed. A proper Chile Relleno made with a New Mexico chile is about as good as it gets, the more often used Poblanos suck in comparison.

jazzdelmar
08-13-2015, 06:50 PM
I bought a 9 unit apt house up on Neptune years ago. I got to know that place more than I should have. Best food I've had of the mexicana variety. All from scratch.

Ever eat at Charlie's?

webspinnre
08-13-2015, 08:34 PM
Texas BBQ is different from other places:

The brisket is to die for.

Indeed. TZF and I went out for BBQ a couple years ago when I was in town - absolutely fantastic.

ZagNut08
08-14-2015, 11:06 AM
Must not have been to the right places in So cal. Sorry. We got the best. Gotta find authentic local mexican places.

Where are some of your favs?

kitzbuel
08-14-2015, 02:43 PM
Texas BBQ is different from other places:

http://www.seriouseats.com/2011/02/what-are-the-barbecue-regional-styles-cooking-carolinas-kansas-city-tennessee-st-louis-ribs-pork-chicken.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/what-are-the-major-bbq-st_b_3329295.html

The brisket is to die for.

I am working on my brisket technique. The one I did for 4th of July was the best I have ever done. Firm, moist, had that buttery brisket flavor with a good smoke ring.

DixieZag
08-14-2015, 02:49 PM
I am working on my brisket technique. The one I did for 4th of July was the best I have ever done. Firm, moist, had that buttery brisket flavor with a good smoke ring.

That's the difference between top of the charts Texas BBQ and Memphis/MS/AL, the flagship Texas bbq meat is Beef brisket - again, Lockhart is best I've had, whereas from Memphis down to the water on the Gulf, it's dry rub pork ribs that is the "legitimate real deal order."

I can go for either, right now.

Birddog
08-14-2015, 04:23 PM
I would argue that Beef Brisket is the most difficult of traditional BBQ meats to do correctly. Ordinarily, I'm not a fan of brisket simply because I've had it too many times when it was just average. Well prepared sliced brisket is hard to beat though and part of the secret is in the slicing. For a change of pace, try BBQing (smoking) a large bologna sausage sometime. It's pretty darn good.

Corky
08-14-2015, 09:09 PM
Yeah BBQ Bologna is really good.

Here's some of my brisket:

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DixieZag
08-15-2015, 07:15 AM
Stop it!

Unless you have enough to share, just keep that at home.

Damn that looks good.

amaronizag
08-15-2015, 07:28 AM
Corky that looks delicious!!! Unfortunately I had to quit smoking brisket until I retire. The last one I did got stuck and took 28 hours to finish. Add another 3 hours to finish up some burnt ends plus the brine time and prep before hand and I'm about two days into it. Too much work for a full time working man. Last time I tried a Wagyu brisket that I got out of MO for under $4 a pound. Maybe we need a Zags food forum.

ProjectMKUltra5
08-15-2015, 08:03 AM
Yeah BBQ Bologna is really good.

Here's some of my brisket:

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/51c7a2b8cdbdc2a43749d450d78eb4f3.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/1cdc1f3a6529f3b800f7011d4d9c9c44.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/14/171d56f7921eab1567597f57e0b1cb60.jpg

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Winner winner brisket dinner

hooter73
08-15-2015, 10:14 AM
And thats going on the list for a dinner this week...

kitzbuel
08-15-2015, 12:51 PM
Corky that looks delicious!!! Unfortunately I had to quit smoking brisket until I retire. The last one I did got stuck and took 28 hours to finish. Add another 3 hours to finish up some burnt ends plus the brine time and prep before hand and I'm about two days into it. Too much work for a full time working man. Last time I tried a Wagyu brisket that I got out of MO for under $4 a pound. Maybe we need a Zags food forum.
I am not so proud as to not foil a brisket. Last time I did one dinner time was approaching and I still had to smoke wings. Wrapped it tight and put it in the oven warming drawer and opened it up 2 hours later. It was perfect.

amaronizag
08-15-2015, 03:03 PM
Thanks for the tip on using foil Kitzbuel. I've read about that, but never tried it because I was always afraid it would turn my bark to mush. I'll experiment.

kitzbuel
08-15-2015, 03:28 PM
Just watch the temperature. Once it hits 190 you are good. I have had a lot of brisket that was cooked too long and got mushy.

Corky
08-15-2015, 05:36 PM
Go by feel rather than temp. When it proves smooth it is done. I have had some ready at 190 and others take to 215. Every brisket is different and they are done when they are done. I do use temp to tell when it will be getting close and start checking at 190.


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Birddog
08-15-2015, 06:08 PM
Damn, i just had a two meat combo from a BBQ food truck. I ordered brisket and ribs because they were out of nearly everything else and I forgot to ask if the brisket was chopped or sliced. Great ribs cooked damn near perfect, so so brisket as it was chopped so no telling if it was really good or not. IMO chopped brisket is not worth the investment.

MDABE80
08-15-2015, 06:42 PM
Birdmeister close you eyes, take a deep breath.......think a fat Stromboli from Lenny's place. Abandon all hope! you had the best 40 yrs ago:)

Corky
08-17-2015, 05:33 PM
Birdmeister close you eyes, take a deep breath.......think a fat Stromboli from Lenny's place. Abandon all hope! you had the best 40 yrs ago:)

Or have a beef rib

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willandi
08-17-2015, 05:40 PM
Had really good brisket at Famous Dave's in Missoula last night. I don't know how it compares, but it was d**n good!

Angelo Roncalli
08-21-2015, 12:09 PM
Per Jeff Borzello on Twitter, Leaf has in-home visits scheduled with Indiana, Kansas and Gonzaga....

gonstu
08-21-2015, 12:12 PM
Per Jeff Borzello on Twitter, Leaf has in-home visits scheduled with Indiana, Kansas and Gonzaga....

The plot thickens...

ProjectMKUltra5
08-21-2015, 01:10 PM
http://media.giphy.com/media/Rjr7PlxQj8aQg/giphy.gif

hooter73
08-21-2015, 01:17 PM
Ive been studying up on Leaf. ESPN had him as low as #9 although consensus was #15. Consensus was also that he was rated way too low/high (did not deserve to be in the top 20). Had a brother that in high school scored 40 pts a game - in California - and went on to play at a DIII school - A subject that I bring up because I think people are letting that family history cloud the subject. Video shows he is a dynamic player of the caliber more leaning towards Doug McDermott and even GU's Kyle Wiltjer. Better hops than Kyle, but telegraphically slow and not as fluid especially when playing against superior athletes, just like KW and McDermott. All that being said, Oh darn, so hes a top 25 ranked recruit that is compared to two guys that had and will have a lot of national player of the year candidate talk. Over ranked at #15. yeah, I'd take a over ranked 15 any day... if the attitude is right. And I think that is what a lot of people wonder, what's his head like?

Down to Indiana, Kansas and GU? Us even being an option at the end of the day? Yeah, I'll take that too.

sittingon50
08-21-2015, 01:31 PM
Per Jeff Borzello on Twitter, Leaf has in-home visits scheduled with Indiana, Kansas and Gonzaga....

Angelo once again totally derails a thread.

:p

seacatfan
08-21-2015, 01:40 PM
What happened to UCLA? Seemed like the initial reaction after he decommitted from Arizona was that he was almost for sure UCLA bound.

gonstu
08-21-2015, 01:45 PM
What happened to UCLA? Seemed like the initial reaction after he decommitted from Arizona was that he was almost for sure UCLA bound.

Is it possible there was an agreement he would not go to another PAC-12 school? Or does that kind of thing not happen at this phase in the process?

Angelo Roncalli
08-21-2015, 01:46 PM
Angelo once again totally derails a thread.

:p

Mi dispiace

ZagaZags
08-21-2015, 02:16 PM
Is it possible there was an agreement he would not go to another PAC-12 school? Or does that kind of thing not happen at this phase in the process?

TJ Leaf is free to go to any school of his choice. Leaf never signed a LOI.



What happened to UCLA? Seemed like the initial reaction after he decommitted from Arizona was that he was almost for sure UCLA bound.

UCLA currently has ZERO scholarships available for 2016.

hooter73
08-21-2015, 02:16 PM
Is it possible there was an agreement he would not go to another PAC-12 school? Or does that kind of thing not happen at this phase in the process?

Def. not unheard of.

ProjectMKUltra5
08-21-2015, 02:23 PM
Thought I read that Alford was gunna be taken off scholarship so they could open things up for him but it doesn't sound like that happened.

I'm just happy the staff is getting in there and battling for kids like Leaf, even if it's a longshot. Hopefully it goes well and he can see himself in that Wiljter mold for us.

MDABE80
08-21-2015, 02:52 PM
Yes Alford gave it up for other players. He still get a huge ride though since Dad is faculty.

seacatfan
08-21-2015, 02:56 PM
UCLA currently has ZERO scholarships available for 2016.

That's not necessarily a hindrance. Plenty of schools have used creative scholarship management in order to free one up for a player they really wanted. Not to mention UCLA fans are already speculating Jonah Bolden is going to be one-and-done, which would give them one more scholie for 16-17.

DixieZag
08-21-2015, 04:34 PM
It would be interesting to see if he shows some interest. Whether he can play or not, whether he is the Zag-type or not, it is cool to see kids rated as high as he is wanting to talk to Few. It would seem to have to be a product of a number one seed, and an E8 all in 3 years.

DixieZag
08-22-2015, 03:40 PM
Leaf is playing live on ESPNU - (Saturday at 4:30 pm), in a HS all-star game.

Just watching some of it, it almost hurts the eyes to call it basketball, no defense played, not a whole lot of passing, or even shooting, just drive after drive to the hoop. The one of TJ's I saw was pretty impressive, though he was alone on the fast break. Safe to say that he'd bring a little more athleticism, very strong and can get way up, not "Micah up" but way up.

SLOZag
08-22-2015, 09:43 PM
"Now Leaf is considering eight schools, It is California, San Diego State, UCLA, Texas, Kansas, Kentucky, Gonzaga, and Indiana. When it comes to making visits, Leaf says that no officials are set, but he is already aware of three in-home visits. I will probably do official visits during the season, maybe some during November and then in December and January, explained Leaf. I have in-home visits set with Indiana September 10, Gonzaga September 13, and Kansas September 14, but I dont have any officials set.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1577443-three-in-home-visits-set-for-t-j-leaf

zagzilla
08-23-2015, 10:49 AM
If we don't lock him up immediately after his visit 9/13, we'll lose him to those who get the last look.

exclusivelee
08-23-2015, 01:32 PM
If we don't lock him up immediately after his visit 9/13, we'll lose him to those who get the last look.
Gonzaga coaches are visiting TJ's home Sept 13. Hr hasn't set a visit to Spokane yet

He originally commit to Arizona in November (before he could take any official visit).

Looks like he set his first 2 official visits to Cal (Oct. 23) and UCLA (Oct. 30)

And took an unofficial visit to San Diego State last week

http://zagsblog.com/articles/t-j-leaf-has-officials-set-to-cal-ucla/

Coach Crazy
08-23-2015, 09:10 PM
I don't see any reason why Gonzaga has to be a long shot with a kid like this. If you put the two next to each other, without the rankings, I'd take Zach without hesitation. Having said that, I'd like to see both of them here. Along with Bailey, in 2018. Zach Collins is going to put this program at a level we probably weren't expecting this soon. Getting players like Bailey and Leaf signed, would be taking those next big steps, before ZC, J3, and NWG have even played regular season minutes.

I'm liking the feeling of being a potential "Rich getting richer" CBB fan.

cggonzaga
08-23-2015, 09:48 PM
TJ Leaf is a terrific player and would be a huge get. Honestly though, if it came down to him or Tillie I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather have Tillie.

MDABE80
08-23-2015, 10:40 PM
It may be that Domas, Leaf and Tillie would be a formidable front line. Especially If Ryan Edwards continues to improve. I have a lot of hope for him.

ZagaZags
08-23-2015, 10:59 PM
It may be that Domas, Leaf and Tillie would be a formidable front line. Especially If Ryan Edwards continues to improve. I have a lot of hope for him.

Zach Collins??

MDABE80
08-24-2015, 01:11 AM
Him too! lol Good pickup.

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 05:50 AM
TJ Leaf is a terrific player and would be a huge get. Honestly though, if it came down to him or Tillie I'm not so sure I wouldn't rather have Tillie.

I don't see a strong reason, at this point, that it can't be both. If it did come down to it, I guess it would depend on what you are looking for? Tillie, at best, will be a role player, as of now. Leaf is already a high prospect that could go to the League fairly quickly with a few years to let his body develop.


It may be that Domas, Leaf and Tillie would be a formidable front line. Especially If Ryan Edwards continues to improve. I have a lot of hope for him.

Honestly, I'm not sold on the idea that Domas will stay all 4, or even 3, yet. I want to see how reacts to being a first round pick.

DixieZag
08-24-2015, 08:13 AM
Honestly, I'm not sold on the idea that Domas will stay all 4, or even 3, yet. I want to see how reacts to being a first round pick.

I'm just asking a question, not weighing in on the validity - wasn't he projected as a first round draft pick last year?

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 08:30 AM
I'm just asking a question, not weighing in on the validity - wasn't he projected as a first round draft pick last year?

I don't remember him being a legitimate first round selection? However, if someone can find some reputable mock's that had him there, and can confirm that he was given such advice, I would definitely stand corrected.

cggonzaga
08-24-2015, 08:38 AM
Tillie, at best, will be a role player, as of now.

No offense but completely disagree. The guy seems to be a mix of a more talented David Pendergraft and Mike Hart with Micah Downs athleticism at 6'8". Now granted it's going to be hard for anybody to "star" at Gonzaga anymore with the talent we have but this guy could be an integral part of future championships.

raise the zag
08-24-2015, 08:53 AM
I don't remember him being a legitimate first round selection? However, if someone can find some reputable mock's that had him there, and can confirm that he was given such advice, I would definitely stand corrected.

--- Here are Sabonis' current 2016 projections per several reputable draft sites (as of 8/24/15) ---


ESPN/Chad Ford:

Projection: mid-1st round pick/Top-20

Position rank: #4

Overall Rank: #23


NBADraft.net 2016 Mock Draft:

Projection: Lottery Pick/Top-15

Current slot: #13 overall selection


Draft Express 2016 Mock Draft (Jonathan Givony):

Projection: Top-25 pick

Current Slot: #22 overall selection


CBS Sports 2016 Mock Draft:

Projection: Lottery/Top-15 pick

Current Slot: # 14 overall selection


SB Nation Mock Draft:

Projection: Top-25 pick

Current Slot: #19 overall selection

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 08:57 AM
No offense but completely disagree. The guy seems to be a mix of a more talented David Pendergraft and Mike Hart with Micah Downs athleticism at 6'8". Now granted it's going to be hard for anybody to "star" at Gonzaga anymore with the talent we have but this guy could be an integral part of future championships.

No offense taken. He's still pretty raw, and I don't see most of those comparisons. Even still, the players you listed were role players. Micah is really the one that I could have seen being more than that, but circumstances provided a situation that was otherwise.

And yes, on this team, there will be no room for him to be the star. In fact, if Domas *does* in fact stay, he wouldn't see too much of the floor, if at all, that first year. Also, if we were to land TJ Leaf and/or Brendan Bailey...well, I think you get the point.

Could he be more? Sure. Does he have to be in order to be incredibly effective and a vital part of a championship team? Nope. In fact, I hope we sign this kid, and he ends up being a weak-side offense, offensive-rebounding, transition-points monster. Couldn't ask for a better teammate to play off of guys like Zach Collins.

Regardless, as some poster on a BYU board said: "The rich getting richer" (or something to that effect).

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 09:00 AM
--- Here are Sabonis' current 2016 projections per several reputable draft sites (as of 8/24/15) ---


ESPN/Chad Ford:

Projection: mid-1st round pick/Top-20

Position rank: #4

Overall Rank: #23


NBADraft.net 2016 Mock Draft:

Projection: Lottery Pick/Top-15

Current slot: #13 overall selection


Draft Express 2016 Mock Draft (Jonathan Givony):

Projection: Top-25 pick

Current Slot: #22 overall selection


CBS Sports 2016 Mock Draft:

Projection: Lottery/Top-15 pick

Current Slot: # 14 overall selection


SB Nation Mock Draft:

Projection: Top-25 pick

Current Slot: #19 overall selection


I was talking about 2015. If he does what we think he might do, this year...by season's end he'll be in the Top 15, and potentially a little higher. I would like to see how he reacts to having finished March Madness, and actually sitting down to address the opportunity potential he'll have in the draft. At this point, we're all pretty set in which camp we're residing, but I just don't see him saying no to a first round.

The one caveat that I might potentially be on board with, is if he were the very last pick in the first round, and he felt one more year would be a huge boost to his stock.

But again, that doesn't have a "I want to get my degree" driver to it. Only time will tell.

seacatfan
08-24-2015, 10:13 AM
I certainly don't have any real insight into the situation. With Wiltjer and Karnowski both here this upcoming season in addition to Sabonis, I don't see Domas' minutes or stats increasing significantly from his Fr. season. Now if he comes back as a Jr., he has a chance to be The Man and his numbers could go thru the roof. I know the NBA drafts entirely on potential, yada yada.

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 10:32 AM
I certainly don't have any real insight into the situation. With Wiltjer and Karnowski both here this upcoming season in addition to Sabonis, I don't see Domas' minutes or stats increasing significantly from his Fr. season. Now if he comes back as a Jr., he has a chance to be The Man and his numbers could go thru the roof. I know the NBA drafts entirely on potential, yada yada.

The NBA is trending away from "Big man on campus" stats and looking more into efficiency. As long as he has qualifying minutes, there is no reason his efficient stats won't improve.

seacatfan
08-24-2015, 10:59 AM
The NBA is trending away from "Big man on campus" stats and looking more into efficiency. As long as he has qualifying minutes, there is no reason his efficient stats won't improve.

I would guess his efficiency stats were already fairly high last year, yes?

I don't know, it seems like some of the guys that have been tabbed as one and doners since halfway thru their HS school career, especially big men, it really does not matter what they do during their 1 year of college. Efficiency, productivity, who cares. A 7 footer with a developed physique who can walk and chew gum at the same time is probably going to get drafted high by somebody, no matter what. Maybe I'm just jaded but I hear the catch phrase "potential" thrown around so much, it kinda seems like a euphemism for "he's not very good right now, but we're really hoping he'll be good in 3 or 4 years." You'd think NBA execs are smarter than armchair QBs posting on a message board...but then you've got decisions like passing on Kevin Durant to take a totally physically busted up Greg Oden who never did crap in the NBA. Or drafting a physically busted up Joel Embiid who is going to miss his second complete season already and has yet to play a second of NBA basketball. Geniuses at work. All of which has nothing to do with Sabonis of course, I'm on a tangent.

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 03:37 PM
I would guess his efficiency stats were already fairly high last year, yes?

I don't know, it seems like some of the guys that have been tabbed as one and doners since halfway thru their HS school career, especially big men, it really does not matter what they do during their 1 year of college. Efficiency, productivity, who cares. A 7 footer with a developed physique who can walk and chew gum at the same time is probably going to get drafted high by somebody, no matter what. Maybe I'm just jaded but I hear the catch phrase "potential" thrown around so much, it kinda seems like a euphemism for "he's not very good right now, but we're really hoping he'll be good in 3 or 4 years." You'd think NBA execs are smarter than armchair QBs posting on a message board...but then you've got decisions like passing on Kevin Durant to take a totally physically busted up Greg Oden who never did crap in the NBA. Or drafting a physically busted up Joel Embiid who is going to miss his second complete season already and has yet to play a second of NBA basketball. Geniuses at work. All of which has nothing to do with Sabonis of course, I'm on a tangent.

Some of these guys are duds (the execs, that is), but with the way the NBA is trending, there will be less and less room for them. And don't let anyone fool you. The NBA will not diversify because of smaller markets and cap structures. It will diversify in success because as time goes on, there will be less "guessing" and also less superfluous stat-snobbery (hopefully). Although, I do not agree with a lot of what is being done with statistics and on-court philosophy at the moment.

seacatfan
08-24-2015, 05:50 PM
Coach Crazy,

I think you have a much better understanding of advanced statistics/metrics than I do, and also follow the NBA much more closely. I believe you when you say the game is evolving, but I still don't have much faith in NBA execs. Seen too many bone headed decisions for too many years.

I read Moneyball a while ago, fascinating look at how to measure efficiency and what actually contributes to winning in MLB (a sport I have very little interest in). It seems like a fair number of MLB franchises paid attention and went out and got their own mathematical gurus to crunch some numbers and tell them which players they should really pursue, but quite a few teams continued with business as usual. You know, scouts and GMs that have been watching the game for 30 or 40 years don't want to listen to some 20 something smart guy with an Ivy League degree in economics or something tell them how to do their job. Change can be slow and painful.

Coach Crazy
08-24-2015, 09:31 PM
Coach Crazy,

I think you have a much better understanding of advanced statistics/metrics than I do, and also follow the NBA much more closely. I believe you when you say the game is evolving, but I still don't have much faith in NBA execs. Seen too many bone headed decisions for too many years.

I wouldn't go as far to say that (your first sentence). I'm just a little more aggressive with my opinions. And I don't have much faith in NBA execs either. I think one thing I should have written, is that while the dinosaurs of older ages fall by the wayside, because of the shift, a new generation of guys who don't know what they are talking about will move in. Because, honestly, we still don't get advanced stats at a level (in baseball or basketball) that we should to make it a true science. Although, I will say, Pete Carroll and Mr. Snyder really get it in the NFL.


I read Moneyball a while ago, fascinating look at how to measure efficiency and what actually contributes to winning in MLB (a sport I have very little interest in). It seems like a fair number of MLB franchises paid attention and went out and got their own mathematical gurus to crunch some numbers and tell them which players they should really pursue, but quite a few teams continued with business as usual. You know, scouts and GMs that have been watching the game for 30 or 40 years don't want to listen to some 20 something smart guy with an Ivy League degree in economics or something tell them how to do their job. Change can be slow and painful.

The Sonics actually had a guy who had his own program that produced ratings for players. I can't say for sure, but this may have been right around the time that guys like Vladimir Radmanovic were getting drafted. And when it all comes down to it, it takes as much risk and timing, as it does skill. I'm not really a fan of the idea that you have to completely run your team because an algorithm tells you that certain things will work better. I think the best way is to make the two sides be able to work together.

But when all is said and done, the most successful streak we have seen, as of late, was with the Big 3 model. And the one before that was a Big 3 model. And that doesn't take as much primary impact roster structuring via advanced statistics.

zagsfanforlife
08-25-2015, 08:57 AM
HIJACKED THREAD AGAIN. :fingergun:

I think most people come to this thread to hear about TJ Leaf---- not about Domas, or advanced metrics.. Can we please start taking those discussions to their appropriate thread titles????

jchocolate99
08-25-2015, 09:10 AM
HIJACKED THREAD AGAIN. :fingergun:

I think most people come to this thread to hear about TJ Leaf---- not about Domas, or advanced metrics.. Can we please start taking those discussions to their appropriate thread titles????

^^ So this... Nothing wrong with having fun on the board or threads as long as they stay somewhat in context but the mods really need to do a better job of reigning in these discussions... this thing was railroaded a few pages ago about BBQ which drove me nuts because I come to the board thinking there's new information about TJ Leaf's recruitment. PLEASE MODS keep these threads on topic a lot of us enjoy this forum and depend on this board to get our zag information

jazzdelmar
08-25-2015, 09:46 AM
The bbq and the perennial tacos riffs are infantile, IMO.

sittingon50
08-25-2015, 10:17 AM
Guilty.

TheZagPhish
08-25-2015, 10:18 AM
Levity, people.

LongIslandZagFan
08-25-2015, 10:28 AM
The bbq and the perennial tacos riffs are infantile, IMO.

And??? So is an adult trashing a teenager on a message board. So, your point was again?

DixieZag
08-25-2015, 10:36 AM
The bbq and the perennial tacos riffs are infantile.

So?

:)

gonstu
08-25-2015, 10:43 AM
The bbq and the perennial tacos riffs are infantile, IMO.

Hanging Curveball. ;)

Zaga
08-25-2015, 11:06 AM
Don't sweat the petty stuff.....................
I have not met a person who lives or lived in California who was not a little edgy!

NumberCruncher
08-25-2015, 11:17 AM
I've been around a fair number of infants, and none of them knew anything about tacos or bbq. They are, however, prone to crying on and on about things they have no control over.

Zaga
08-25-2015, 11:26 AM
WARNING


The GU Board is prone to debating, arguing, making fun and being pointed at ..............about things they have very little or no control over. Sounds like life to me. Enjoy free speech while you have it............

jazzdelmar
08-25-2015, 12:54 PM
So?

:)

Sew buttons. Just an opinion. But immediately the defense takes the field.

jazzdelmar
08-25-2015, 12:55 PM
Don't sweat the petty stuff.....................
I have not met a person who lives or lived in California who was not a little edgy!

Worse. Cali, by way of NYC.

LongIslandZagFan
08-25-2015, 01:05 PM
Worse. Cali, by way of NYC.

Enjoy a pulled pork taco with BBQ sauce and relax Jazz.

jazzdelmar
08-25-2015, 01:06 PM
Enjoy a pulled pork taco with BBQ sauce and relax Jazz.

Rather do a Shake Shack, but none here yet. You ever?

LongIslandZagFan
08-25-2015, 01:08 PM
Rather do a Shake Shack, but none here yet. You ever?

Many times. Smokeshack burger and a dog with kraut every time... and I pick at the kids/wife's fries.

jazzdelmar
08-25-2015, 01:13 PM
Many times. Smokeshack burger and a dog with kraut every time... and I pick at the kids/wife's fries.

You're killing me, Guyland. But I was referring to Shake Shack. Bryant Park, etc.

jazzdelmar
08-25-2015, 01:16 PM
I've been around a fair number of infants, and none of them knew anything about tacos or bbq. They are, however, prone to crying on and on about things they have no control over.

Crunch, ur right. Sophomoric would have been a more accurate word.

sittingon50
08-25-2015, 02:23 PM
Crunch, ur right. Sophomoric would have been a more accurate word.

Whew, let's me off the hook. Never made it past my freshman yr. of high school, though I tried 4 times.

seacatfan
08-25-2015, 02:32 PM
Whew, let's me off the hook. Never made it past my freshman yr. of high school, though I tried 4 times.

Ever seen the classic 80's movie "Better Off Dead"?--There's a line in there from one of the characters something along the line of "I've been going to this high school for seven years, I'm no dummy."

NotoriousZ
08-25-2015, 03:17 PM
I want my two dollars.

ZagNative
08-25-2015, 03:24 PM
Dumb, dumb thread ...

CaliforniaZaggin'
08-25-2015, 03:45 PM
Have any of you tried fried oyster tacos?---yummy!!!
http://bennydoro.com/chef/recipes/fried-oyster-taco/

And now I must have an oyster taco because that looks amazing.

maynard g krebs
08-25-2015, 03:57 PM
Ever seen the classic 80's movie "Better Off Dead"?--There's a line in there from one of the characters something along the line of "I've been going to this high school for seven years, I'm no dummy."

"Seven years of college down the drain" John Belushi as Bluto in Animal House.

northsidezagfan
08-25-2015, 04:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOsQ2epsI2M

primal23
08-25-2015, 05:32 PM
WARNING


The GU Board is prone to debating, arguing, making fun and being pointed at ..............about things they have very little or no control over. Sounds like life to me. Enjoy free speech while you have it............

You do realize free speech only applies to the government suppressing speech and not private organizations or individuals? Not an attack just wanted to make sure. :)

LongIslandZagFan
08-25-2015, 07:45 PM
You're killing me, Guyland. But I was referring to Shake Shack. Bryant Park, etc.

Right... Smokeshack is one of Shake Shacks burgers Jazz.

LongIslandZagFan
08-25-2015, 07:48 PM
Dumb, dumb thread ...

It is the off season... we're bored... turning on ourselves. Relax have a carne asada taco with timatillo sauce.

Zaga
08-26-2015, 05:52 AM
Dumb, dumb thread ...

Put more mustard on your biscuit!

hooter73
08-26-2015, 07:25 AM
Mods? Please...

LongIslandZagFan
08-26-2015, 07:31 AM
Mods? Please...

please what?

Surpress free speach?

sage
08-26-2015, 08:17 AM
A waste of time/space when looking for a real recruits information.........................

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/jimc99328/jokes/thread_direction_zpsnw1etanh.gif

LongIslandZagFan
08-26-2015, 08:18 AM
A waste of time/space when looking for a real recruits information.........................

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/jimc99328/jokes/thread_direction_zpsnw1etanh.gif

Perhaps it should just wither on the vine and die it's natural death.

primal23
08-26-2015, 08:28 AM
A waste of time/space when looking for a real recruits information.........................

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/jimc99328/jokes/thread_direction_zpsnw1etanh.gif

Oh man two miles till the rest stop!!! I gotta go now!!

hooter73
08-26-2015, 08:35 AM
please what?

Surpress free speach?

This is a thread about an individual recruit, take the rest of the crap to some off topic foodie site. The tacos thing was funny when it happened with Karno but we are going on two pages of this junk.

ProjectMKUltra5
08-26-2015, 11:16 AM
This thread has moxy

DukeSilver
08-26-2015, 12:08 PM
I really don't think it's too much to ask that a thread about a particular (top 20) recruit contains mostly information about said recruit ...

A couple off-topic posts is to be expected, but this is ridiculous. It's been said over and over again that players and parents visit this site - what do you think they would walk away from this thread thinking?

Just lock it and start over.

sage
08-26-2015, 12:30 PM
[QUOTE=DukeSilver;

Just lock it and start over.[/QUOTE]

+++1 agree

TheZagPhish
08-26-2015, 12:34 PM
This thread has moxy

+1

ZagaZags
08-26-2015, 12:45 PM
I really don't think it's too much to ask that a thread about a particular (top 20) recruit contains mostly information about said recruit ...

A couple off-topic posts is to be expected, but this is ridiculous. It's been said over and over again that players and parents visit this site - what do you think they would walk away from this thread thinking?

Just lock it and start over.

There was a reason for this thread getting derailed.

ProjectMKUltra5
08-26-2015, 01:12 PM
what do you think they would walk away from this thread thinking?

That tacos are delicious

LongIslandZagFan
08-26-2015, 01:17 PM
I what do you think they would walk away from this thread thinking?

Just lock it and start over.

That while odd in manner, this board does have some level of self policing and that we know tacos (and it would seem BBQ)?

sittingon50
08-26-2015, 01:37 PM
I really don't think it's too much to ask that a thread about a particular (top 20) recruit contains mostly information about said recruit ...

A couple off-topic posts is to be expected, but this is ridiculous. It's been said over and over again that players and parents visit this site - what do you think they would walk away from this thread thinking?

Just lock it and start over.

And I really don't like that stupid bunnie thread that runs during the season. As long as we're clearing the joint out, get rid of that, too.

MDABE80
09-08-2015, 12:02 AM
It's an old comment from one of our respected old posters 50. Kind of a tradition for our old friend.