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Zagceo
04-02-2015, 10:07 PM
I'm using iPad.

link (http://www.zagexperience.com/?KEY=&DB_OEM_ID=26400&DB_LANG=C&IN_SUBSCRIBER_CONTENT=)

Zagger
04-03-2015, 02:04 AM
Got me to wondering ... if GU continues to grow would it go E of Hamilton? Also wonder what future plans ther may be for Hamilton between the river and Foothills? At least one footbridge should go over Hamilton north of the Centennial Trail. Making Hamilton wider would be nice but ..... that would be quite an undertaking.

gonzagafan62
04-03-2015, 04:25 AM
The kennel club is awesome EDIT: This Ariel is WICKED COOL!

Sarenyon
04-03-2015, 05:34 AM
This is a cool thing to play around with.

Zagceo
04-03-2015, 06:32 AM
This is a cool thing to play around with.

Are you using iPad?

Zag_Dad
04-03-2015, 07:45 AM
Got me to wondering ... if GU continues to grow would it go E of Hamilton? Also wonder what future plans ther may be for Hamilton between the river and Foothills? At least one footbridge should go over Hamilton north of the Centennial Trail. Making Hamilton wider would be nice but ..... that would be quite an undertaking.

I believe the campus has already creeped East of Hamilton. The indoor tennis/golf facility is East of Hamilton, South of Mission (I think).

Angelo Roncalli
04-03-2015, 07:58 AM
Got me to wondering ... if GU continues to grow would it go E of Hamilton? Also wonder what future plans ther may be for Hamilton between the river and Foothills? At least one footbridge should go over Hamilton north of the Centennial Trail. Making Hamilton wider would be nice but ..... that would be quite an undertaking.

As was mentioned, the Stevens Center (golf/tennis) is east of Hamilton, it's behind the old Holy Names Academy (now an assisted living center) near the river. GU has a dorm east of Hamilton as well, Marian Hall, which used to be the boarding facility for Holy Names. Hamilton has become a major north/south arterial and crossings over Hamilton are a huge issue. The cost of an overpass is enormous. Right now, I think the objective is to hold enrollment at or near current levels, so I don't see much further expansion east of Hamilton. I think there may be some expansion considered in the Ruby/Division area.

gonzagafan62
04-03-2015, 12:25 PM
I've spent a lot of time on this one today lol

Zagceo
04-03-2015, 12:29 PM
I've spent a lot of time on this one today lol

Did you try it on iPad?

gonzagafan62
04-03-2015, 01:38 PM
Did you try it on iPad?

Tried it on iPhone ... I don't have an iPad

ZagDad84
04-03-2015, 06:35 PM
As was mentioned, the Stevens Center (golf/tennis) is east of Hamilton, it's behind the old Holy Names Academy (now an assisted living center) near the river. GU has a dorm east of Hamilton as well, Marian Hall, which used to be the boarding facility for Holy Names. Hamilton has become a major north/south arterial and crossings over Hamilton are a huge issue. The cost of an overpass is enormous. Right now, I think the objective is to hold enrollment at or near current levels, so I don't see much further expansion east of Hamilton. I think there may be some expansion considered in the Ruby/Division area.

It is my understanding that GU has purchased the Market Equipment Building located right next to Tilford facing Ruby. It already purchased the former Spokane Regional Plan Center that is located directly North of Market Equipment. It also would not surprise me if many of the functions currently contained in the houses on the North and East sides of the GU campus will be moved to the new student center, thus opening up property for expansion. There appears to be some empty property and/or unoccupied buildings located directly East of the Campus and I would bet this property is would be much cheaper to purchase than property located on Ruby/Division. I think once the expansion possibilities to the West are exhausted, I believe the University will expand to the East. GU has done a very good job keeping the commercial looking buildings generally away from the residential neighborhood choosing to locate apartment buildings and using the existing houses as a buffer. I would expect this consideration to continue.

GU has essentially doubled in size in the 30 years since I graduated and I would expect the relatively slow growth to continue. Especially if GU works with UW on expansion of their medical program in Spokane.

When my kids where looking at Colleges, my boys toured Vanderbilt. When Vanderbilt "bought", "Acquired" or in some other fashion acquired Peabody College, Peabody College was located on the opposite side of a 6 lane arterial from the main Vanderbilt campus. The University constructed a very wide, gently sloping overpass that crosses over the arterial. While the overpass is expensive, putting 100's of kids in danger by having to cross Hamilton every day would (or certainly could) be even more expensive. The other issue is backing up traffic on Hamilton. The traffic on Hamilton at rush hour is ridiculous and you would not want to slow down traffic for kids using a crosswalk. If the University elects to expand to the East, I believe the use of a crossover would be mandatory.

Just my $0.02

ZagDad

Birddog
04-03-2015, 06:54 PM
While the overpass is expensive, putting 100's of kids in danger by having to cross Hamilton every day would (or certainly could) be even more expensive. The other issue is backing up traffic on Hamilton. The traffic on Hamilton at rush hour is ridiculous and you would not want to slow down traffic for kids using a crosswalk. If the University elects to expand to the East, I believe the use of a crossover would be mandatory.

I've read this three times now and it still strikes me as odd. I grew up 1 house W of Hamilton on Sinto during the 50's and 60's. Hamilton was always an arterial but the thought of it being crammed with traffic just sounds so weird to me since I'm sure I crossed that street at the alley to go to Safeway, or Sprouse-Reitz, or Geno's at least a thousand times with nary a problem. We seldom used the light to cross at Mission. Things have changed. Jeez, we walked up Hamilton unescorted to Kindergarten at Logan Elementary. Our parents would be hauled in for "child endangerment" these days.

DixieZag
04-03-2015, 08:07 PM
In my relatively uninformed opinion, it seems to me that to the extent the university has growth plans, much of it will center around expanding graduate school programs, aimed at local working people looking for part time and night classes. I think those types of programs will be business and specialized administration. Obviously, there are big plans to expand various medical programs, but those programs require far more expensive infrastructure. Those require various labs and work type settings, whereas the business administrative or law programs require some added classrooms and maybe a library. Law school and administrative schools make significantly more money per student than science and tech types.

Those administrative schools do not require expansion of dorms nor extensive buildings.

I also think there is risk that, with society rethinking the value of an expensive private education, and more emphasis on using high school AP college credit classes along with a year of community college, which students to go two years and get a degree with the same diploma as those going 4-5 will really challenge demand for education at a place like Gonzaga.

Of course, if GU can continue to provide an education significantly better than similar private schools such as Seattle U, Puget Sound, even Portland, they might maintain enough demand that they will not be as impacted.

ZagDad84
04-04-2015, 12:01 AM
Of course, if GU can continue to provide an education significantly better than similar private schools such as Seattle U, Puget Sound, even Portland, they might maintain enough demand that they will not be as impacted.

What is interesting is that when I was looking at colleges 35 years ago, with scholarships, grants and such, I could have lived in Pullman and gone to WSU for almost exactly the same cost as living at home and going to GU. 35 Years later, when my daughter (who is currently attending GU - only 5 weeks to graduation) was looking at colleges, when scholarships and grants were figured in, it would have cost almost exactly the same for her to live in Pullman and go to WSU or to live at home and go to GU.

The difference is when I went to school, I could earn my tuition money by working full time over the summer and maybe some weekends during the school year. Given today's cost It is not possible for the kids today to pay off their tuition by working full time during the summer.

ZagDad

jazzdelmar
04-04-2015, 04:39 AM
Below the Ivies and a handful of others, for American colleges demographics is destiny. Baby boom, echo boom, now Millennials waves drive demand. In between, budgets get slashed, tenure becomes rare, hoops grows in importance.

ZagsObserver
04-04-2015, 08:12 AM
It is my understanding that GU has purchased the Market Equipment Building located right next to Tilford facing Ruby. It already purchased the former Spokane Regional Plan Center that is located directly North of Market Equipment. It also would not surprise me if many of the functions currently contained in the houses on the North and East sides of the GU campus will be moved to the new student center, thus opening up property for expansion. There appears to be some empty property and/or unoccupied buildings located directly East of the Campus and I would bet this property is would be much cheaper to purchase than property located on Ruby/Division. I think once the expansion possibilities to the West are exhausted, I believe the University will expand to the East. GU has done a very good job keeping the commercial looking buildings generally away from the residential neighborhood choosing to locate apartment buildings and using the existing houses as a buffer. I would expect this consideration to continue.

GU has essentially doubled in size in the 30 years since I graduated and I would expect the relatively slow growth to continue. Especially if GU works with UW on expansion of their medical program in Spokane.

When my kids where looking at Colleges, my boys toured Vanderbilt. When Vanderbilt "bought", "Acquired" or in some other fashion acquired Peabody College, Peabody College was located on the opposite side of a 6 lane arterial from the main Vanderbilt campus. The University constructed a very wide, gently sloping overpass that crosses over the arterial. While the overpass is expensive, putting 100's of kids in danger by having to cross Hamilton every day would (or certainly could) be even more expensive. The other issue is backing up traffic on Hamilton. The traffic on Hamilton at rush hour is ridiculous and you would not want to slow down traffic for kids using a crosswalk. If the University elects to expand to the East, I believe the use of a crossover would be mandatory.

Just my $0.02

ZagDad

How about the Peerless building next to Tilford? Also, I've always wondered if GU has been interested in the EZ Loader trailer properties located across from the baseball field. It's a great location, though the property is currently being utilized. Finally, does anyone know the exact location of the new performing arts center to be completed early 2018? Thanks, just a curiosity.

DixieZag
04-04-2015, 10:32 AM
What is interesting is that when I was looking at colleges 35 years ago, with scholarships, grants and such, I could have lived in Pullman and gone to WSU for almost exactly the same cost as living at home and going to GU. 35 Years later, when my daughter (who is currently attending GU - only 5 weeks to graduation) was looking at colleges, when scholarships and grants were figured in, it would have cost almost exactly the same for her to live in Pullman and go to WSU or to live at home and go to GU.

The difference is when I went to school, I could earn my tuition money by working full time over the summer and maybe some weekends during the school year. Given today's cost It is not possible for the kids today to pay off their tuition by working full time during the summer.

ZagDad

Thank you for sharing that. I would not have known. It is contrary to what one would have thought.

SteelZag
04-04-2015, 10:57 AM
What is interesting is that when I was looking at colleges 35 years ago, with scholarships, grants and such, I could have lived in Pullman and gone to WSU for almost exactly the same cost as living at home and going to GU. 35 Years later, when my daughter (who is currently attending GU - only 5 weeks to graduation) was looking at colleges, when scholarships and grants were figured in, it would have cost almost exactly the same for her to live in Pullman and go to WSU or to live at home and go to GU.

The difference is when I went to school, I could earn my tuition money by working full time over the summer and maybe some weekends during the school year. Given today's cost It is not possible for the kids today to pay off their tuition by working full time during the summer.

ZagDad

I'm a few years older and I chose the live at home GU option. I'm not sure I would recommend that option for everybody though.

Zag 77
04-04-2015, 09:26 PM
There are some people in the Logan Community Council that want to shrink Hamilton from 4 lanes to 2, with a center-turn lane. I do not think there is a real danger of that happening until we have a full north-south freeway (been planned for 70 years). However, believe it or not, that is going to happen to North Monroe within the next year. I suspect that will just force more cars onto Hamilton-Nevada unless we all start riding bicycles and busses.

ZagDad84
04-05-2015, 11:53 AM
I'm a few years older and I chose the live at home GU option. I'm not sure I would recommend that option for everybody though.

I agree. I tried very strongly to get all of my kids to go away to school. The boys had some very good opportunities but elected to go to EWU and live at home and in hind site this was probably for the best. They were very young and I think they would have floundered away from home.

My daughter on the other hand was very driven and mature for her age. She would have flourished wherever she went. She was accepted into some excellent universities (Boston College, Creighton, Villanova, etc.) however she always wanted to be a Zag and chose to stay home. Since she is in nursing and wanted to graduate in 4 years thus Gonzaga-In-Florence or other semester over seas program was not possible. She did take a 6-week class in Londan over the summer from GU and got to visit Paris, most of England, Scotland and Ireland. So she had 6 weeks of the college experience, got to travel some plus she came home with 5 credits of course work.

ZagDad