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Reborn
11-27-2014, 11:07 AM
Gonzaga 80
St John's 67

For some reason I am feeling that Gonzaga will a better TEAM GAME tomorrow, especially on defense. Their defense was pretty bad last night; so expect it to be much better tomorrow. St. John's has some pretty athletic players who are fast and quick and can jump so they will be in the game. They are also at home and play well there. And I expect PK and Sabonis to play much, much better tomorrow. I think that for both of them that that was their worst game we will see this year; so it's good to get that one out of the way early in the season.

I'm sure hoping Bell can look for his offense. He took one shot last night. Unbelievable. One shot. Why does he disappear on the offensive end of the floor in so many games. I expect him to play better tonight. And Wesley too. He probably had his worst offensive game that he will have this year too. WELCOME TO ROAD GAMES GONZAZA.

Go Zags!!!

gonzagafan62
11-27-2014, 11:33 AM
Nope that's welcome to bad officiating. We would have been up by 30 at some point if there wasn't such Ticky tac calls. After the first four minutes Georgia coach fox went out and said to muk it up at least that's my guess. Gonzaga will have no problem tomorrow. We always beat the johnnies. Gonzaga 79 St. John's 64

Kiddwell
11-27-2014, 11:36 AM
This'n's for Josh, a poem
<ahem>
Roses are red,
Zags need motivation?
How 'bout Josh's jaw?
Yours truly, entire Zag Nation.
<Get 'em, Zags!>
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Josh Perkins' Team - 88 :boxing:
Coach Lavin's Team - 64




:]

Zagger
11-27-2014, 11:42 AM
The Zags are going to be prepared + they'll have a bit more inspiration than usual in putting up points for Josh. Suspect the officials will be a bit more on their toes too. I'm fully expecting a very good college basketball game with the Zags playing well enough to win by a comfy margin. SJU just isn't that good (shooting, etc). There will not be a repeat performance in Zag foul troubles. It'll be a physical game but with Smart play/coaching by the Zags (and good officiating - which should always be what to expect) SJU won't have a chance against an inspired Zag onslaught.

Which Zags will shine? Take your pick :-) It's fair to expect SJU to pay close attention to KW but he seems to have MSG wired. I think we'll see another good game from Kyle. I also expect both Kevin & Gary to keep SJU very busy. Both Mt K and Sabonis will be fired up was well. I dont't think they'll foul out 2 games in a row. With Josh out I also expect both Byron and Draino to make some SJU players feel Zag pain. It'll be SJU in foul trouble this time around as Angel is no slouch in driving to the basket either. If Sabonis is a fast study/learner we'll see some significant points from him - maybe half from FTs.
Go Josh! Go Zags! Zags 90 - SJU 70 (if they're lucky)

MDABE80
11-27-2014, 11:42 AM
Better play defense a lot better than last night. They looked disinterested and clumbsy. And St Johns has some nice rebounders. I suspect that early on in the season, we've got a target on our backs now. I just hope the kids know that they must bring their A game and go hard every game.
Defense, rebounding and no turns.<_ mandatory

FGZagDad
11-27-2014, 11:45 AM
Nope that's welcome to bad officiating. We would have been up by 30 at some point if there wasn't such Ticky tac calls. After the first four minutes Georgia coach fox went out and said to muk it up at least that's my guess. Gonzaga will have no problem tomorrow. We always beat the johnnies. Gonzaga 79 St. John's 64

I'm hoping the Zags come out with a take it to em fire right from the tip. I'm guessing the guys don't like that they lost Josh. Would like to see us be the aggressor tomorrow night, attacking the rim with KP, GBJ and BW. KD will need to be ready. Our bigs play smarter and we grind out another win that's not pretty but better than last nights win...with no injuries.

Zags 81
Johnnies 70

LongIslandZagFan
11-27-2014, 11:51 AM
Redmen... err... Red Storm 150
Zaggies 40

Really, what the hell is a Red Storm??? never got it when I worked there... most of the people that work/go/graduated from there hate the name.

HenneZag
11-27-2014, 12:05 PM
We will score points. What I want to see is us getting back to the fundamentals on defense. Their were too many missed assignments last night and plays where we were out hustled. St Johns will attack our bigs in the lane to try and get them in foul trouble. Last nights game reminded me of the Ok St game in the tourney last year, so many fouls. Im hoping for a more fluid game, and execution on both ends of the floor for the ZAGS.

Marcus
11-27-2014, 12:07 PM
I think the Zags win by 15-20. They have plenty of motivation from last night. I expect to see Sabonis really put on a show on the boards. He looked so frusterated last night and I think you'll see a different guy this game. I also expect a good bounce back from Wesley offensivley, and think he'll be much more aggressive.

bigblahla
11-27-2014, 12:43 PM
Redmen... err... Red Storm 150
Zaggies 40

Really, what the hell is a Red Storm??? never got it when I worked there... most of the people that work/go/graduated from there hate the name.

I think I caught the red storm once while traveling on the road in a rock band...a good shot makes it go away.....;)

Zags win a tough one and bring home the trophy..

Go!! Zags!!!

WILLYMCG
11-27-2014, 01:34 PM
The Zags are going to be prepared + they'll have a bit more inspiration than usual in putting up points for Josh. Suspect the officials will be a bit more on their toes too. I'm fully expecting a very good college basketball game with the Zags playing well enough to win by a comfy margin. SJU just isn't that good (shooting, etc). There will not be a repeat performance in Zag foul troubles. It'll be a physical game but with Smart play/coaching by the Zags (and good officiating - which should always be what to expect) SJU won't have a chance against an inspired Zag onslaught.

Which Zags will shine? Take your pick :-) It's fair to expect SJU to pay close attention to KW but he seems to have MSG wired. I think we'll see another good game from Kyle. I also expect both Kevin & Gary to keep SJU very busy. Both Mt K and Sabonis will be fired up was well. I dont't think they'll foul out 2 games in a row. With Josh out I also expect both Byron and Draino to make some SJU players feel Zag pain. It'll be SJU in foul trouble this time around as Angel is no slouch in driving to the basket either. If Sabonis is a fast study/learner we'll see some significant points from him - maybe half from FTs.
Go Josh! Go Zags! Zags 90 - SJU 70 (if they're lucky)

The NY volume crowd, band and cheerleaders should be a factor the young Zags haven't seen yet. Learning experience. I am concerned about continuation of "charge the bigs, don't worry about the actual shot availability" that seems to be a tactic. Many times last night PK and Domas were straight up defensively, contact was forced into them (per ESPN photo) and call made against them. I personally cant think of a way to counter when calls/ versus no-calls are made.

zagamatic
11-27-2014, 02:24 PM
I haven't seen it posted elsewhere, but ESPN has the St John's game listed as a 7 pm eastern time tip on ESPN2.
I'm not counting on the officiating being any better. But I'll still take the Zags by 10. 75-65.

Martin Centre Mad Man
11-27-2014, 03:20 PM
I think our kids are going to play with a level of intensity that we haven't seen from this team, yet.

Pity the Red Storm. They will have a very bad night.

DixieZag
11-27-2014, 05:03 PM
Redmen... err... Red Storm 150
Zaggies 40

Really, what the hell is a Red Storm??? never got it when I worked there... most of the people that work/go/graduated from there hate the name.

What is a red storm? Haven't you been to Jupiter? Hint; Take the flags down and the laundry in if one is ever headed your way.



GU = Motivated. Motivated = Good Defense. Good Defense = Good win.

Refs = "Motivated" (I assume they'll be very well aware of the protests made.)

GU 86
Not GU 66

maynard g krebs
11-27-2014, 07:08 PM
Redmen... err... Red Storm 150
Zaggies 40

Really, what the hell is a Red Storm??? never got it when I worked there... most of the people that work/go/graduated from there hate the name.

I think it used to be Red Men, but they were more willing to change than that football team in DC was. Memory is hazy; I could be wrong.

maynard g krebs
11-27-2014, 07:12 PM
Nope that's welcome to bad officiating. We would have been up by 30 at some point if there wasn't such Ticky tac calls.

Agree. Refs took away Zags' ability to defend. Players had to stop breathing in the direction of the Georgia guys or get called for a foul. Game officiated very differently on one end than the other.

zag67
11-27-2014, 07:58 PM
I agree with Maynard and 62. I think that we might see some zone early to protect against our bigs getting into foul trouble. They have the one 6'6" wing that is their leading scorer. Since they do not shoot 3s very well, we need to pack the middle and not let them get open mid range shots. DO NOT LET THEM RUN.

Reborn
11-28-2014, 08:19 AM
It's game day and I'm really happy. I had a great and wonderful Thanksgiving Day. I love Thanksgiving. A great celebration of family. I also love my Zag family, ZagNation. I also loved the Seahawk game yesterday. Wow! Now on to TODAY. There is no day like Zag day. When the Zags are playing the day is just one of the best. The Zags are facing their next test. Tonight is the next step along the long journey ahead. We have to go now without Perkins. We WILL miss him, but he will inspire the Zags tonight. The Zags will play much better tonight imo.

DixieZag
11-28-2014, 08:21 AM
I think it used to be Red Men, but they were more willing to change than that football team in DC was. Memory is hazy; I could be wrong.

You are correct. Not sure when they changed but while Mullen was there they were still the Red Men. Interesting that Stanford was too, very long ago..

sittingon50
11-28-2014, 10:27 AM
Stanford was the "Indians." Changed in '72.

23dpg
11-28-2014, 10:30 AM
Zags. 85
St. John's 72

The line on this game is currently -6 Zags.
Makes me wish I was in Vegas!

RenoZag
11-28-2014, 10:44 AM
Zags - 75
St John's - 70

Another grinder. Hoping our bigs can stay out of foul trouble. Lavin will be telling his guys to take it right at Sabonis & Karnowski, early and often.

Mr Vulture
11-28-2014, 11:15 AM
Zags win this by 20pts+ if we have better refs than Wednesday. Those refs killed the flow of the game for both teams. In any case, I don't see us losing to St Johns, even at MSG.

jim77
11-28-2014, 11:33 AM
Hopefully, our bigs back off a bit till they see how the game is gonna be called. Its ok to give up a few buckets to keep yourself on the court....stay between you're man and the bucket. We are capable of out shooting ST. John's therefore we should stay in this game regardless. I think we see an inspired/smarter team today and a soild double digit victory....just don't get baited into stupid fouls.

Zags 92 Red Storm 80

One other thing I noticed about the UGA game...when PK first left the court, the game totally changed. Why? Cause the big guy takes up so much space that he frustrates the other teams bigs. It doesn't matter how athletic the other guys are...there simply is no room to rebound when Shem is in there.....its is so IMPORTANT that he stays on the court....and the other teams know it.

Section 116
11-28-2014, 11:47 AM
Few's scouting report on St John's: “Crazy talented, really talented. Can really take you, probably at any time. Really athletic. Capable of blocking shots around the rim and explosive in transition. And very quick-handed and opportunistic on the defensive end. Just a good-looking team.” From the NY Daily News: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/big-stage-awaits-red-storm-harrison-nit-tip-off-final-article-1.2026318

jim77
11-28-2014, 12:07 PM
Lets see if there crazy good 3 point shooters and pack in the zone....also protect our bigs. I think at times FEW overestimates our defensive capabilities...and goes man when we are NOT the more athletic team. The other thing that I have noticed is that MOST teams have no clue how to attack the zone. I respect ST John's athletic ability...but, I doubt their ability to bust up a zone D with our BIG BIGS. I'd zone them from the get go...and may play Kyle D more for his length to protect against the 3....Nunez may figure big in a game like this too. Jim Boeheim has made a career out of it...and the NBA bans it for good reason...cause it can be a great equalizer.

sittingon50
11-28-2014, 12:28 PM
So far they're shooting < 23% from 3.

Bogozags
11-28-2014, 01:36 PM
You are correct. Not sure when they changed but while Mullen was there they were still the Red Men. Interesting that Stanford was too, very long ago..

Stanford nickname was "Indians" and the Redmen was changed in 1994 to Red Storm...

This game is causing my stomach to be queasy and am worried about this one...

In the past, we have not done well against physical, athletic teams, so I'm hesitant to pick the Zags in this one but hope they prevail and if they do, then it will be 82-64...

Hope we bring the defense tonight and make a few outside shots too!

U Zig, I Zag
11-28-2014, 02:55 PM
Zags by 8. Close the whole time and we play poorly at times.

I personally don't believe we are as good as some folks on here (and the media) say we are. We can shoot and play ball - but time and time again a team with athletic guys that want to grind it out can find a way to win.

If it's a blowout it's because we are knocking down threes at a great % and SJU is settling for the same shots but shooting their pedestrian 25% or whatever.

RenoZag
11-28-2014, 06:23 PM
73 - 66.

Congratulations to the pre-season NIT CHAMPS !

sittingon50
11-28-2014, 07:42 PM
KenPom had it 73-68. Not always that close.

Reborn
11-28-2014, 07:56 PM
Congrats to UZigIzag: Only missed it by one point. Also a shout out goes to Reno Zag who missed by 2. Not bad at all you two.

Go Zags!!!

TexasZagFan
11-28-2014, 07:57 PM
We played a team today that has a lot of upside. I'll bet the Lavin improves the basketball IQ of this team by March.

Mantua
11-28-2014, 08:20 PM
We played a team today that has a lot of upside. I'll bet the Lavin improves the basketball IQ of this team by March.

Zags held them to 36.7 % FG. And of course our defense was criticized. The Storm has to drop more shots by March.