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gonzagafan62
07-07-2014, 06:52 AM
Welcome to another edition of the Bing Crosby Invitational Tournament!

Today we have the 01-02 Gonzaga Bulldogs facing off the WWII Zags from 43-44.

Here is a breakdown:

Gonzaga 2001-2002:

Kyle Bankhead SO G 6-0 4.0 Pts, 1.2 Reb, 0.9 Ast
Winston Brooks JR G 6-0 2.6 Pts, 1.5 Reb, 2.9 Ast
Dan Dickau SR G 6-0 21.0 Pts, 3.0 Reb, 4.7 Ast
Germayne Forbes JR G 6-0 2.0 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.4 Ast
Zach Gourde JR F 6-8 13.2 Pts, 6.4 Reb, 1.1 Ast
Alex Hernandez SR G 6-4 5.8 Pts, 3.7 Reb, 1.1 Ast
Brian Michaelson FR G 6-3 1.4 Pts, 0.8 Reb, 0.4 Ast
Anthony Reason SR G 5-6 5.4 Pts, 4.7 Reb, 1.4 Ast
Jay Sherrell SO F 6-8 1.2 Pts, 1.0 Reb, 0.2 Ast
Blake Stepp SO G 6-4 9.2 Pts, 3.8 Reb, 3.9 Ast
Ronny Turiaf FR F 6-10 7.3 Pts, 5.0 Reb, 0.5 Ast
Cory Violette SO C 6-11 12.8 Pts, 8.3 Reb, 1.0 Ast

Gonzaga 1943-1944:

World War II and the U.S. Navy combined to bring an unusual group of young men together at Gonzaga University. They were assigned as students and members of the Navy's V-12 program to be trained as naval officers. Most of them came from the west and from Catholic universities, and, as it turned out, many of them were fine basketball players. The Gonzaga basketball team of 1943-44 had a 24-2 record which included a one-sided win over the University of Washington. Gonzaga was ranked first in the west and sixth in the nation, joining such powers as DePaul, Kentucky and Iowa. The team was coached by Charles "Chuck" Henry, formerly of Michigan State, and it employed a fast-break offense and a tenacious defense. The starters included Wally McGovern of Santa Clara University, Jim Baker and Earl Strader of St. Mary's College, Bob Gaston from St. Martin's College, and Paul O'Toole from the University of Portland, plus swingman Jack Hafner from the University of San Francisco. Other team members were George Ball, Bob Barbagelata, Bill Barry, Ed Barulich, Doug Burton, Jakc Coates, Howard Cullen, Paul Greiwe, Ed Hoene, Gerald McFaul, Archie Peterson, Jim Rafferty and Charles Tobin.

Who ya got?


http://i.imgur.com/BY6EgWG.png

wnczagfan
07-07-2014, 09:35 AM
http://digital.gonzaga.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15486coll8&CISOPTR=1817&action=2&DMSCALE=40&DMWIDTH=512&DMHEIGHT=355&DMX=512&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0http://digital.gonzaga.edu/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p15486coll8&CISOPTR=1817&action=2&DMSCALE=50&DMWIDTH=512&DMHEIGHT=444&DMX=0&DMY=0&DMTEXT=&DMROTATE=0

I think the 2001-2002 team can take these guys!

sittingon50
07-07-2014, 10:07 AM
I'm thinking that the '44 squad may have better than a puncher's chance. Just being in the proximity of those guys in their shiny short shorts should prove very disconcerting for the '02 squad.

gonzagafan62
07-07-2014, 10:32 AM
The 43-44 squad is the highest ranked "old school" team for a reason. I am not sure that they could beat the 01-02 squad, but I do think they would have a solid chance in this game. All military guys make them tough dudes. I am honestly clueless in this game, but I went with Dickau, not by a big margin at all. Maybe 1-3 points.

Just my opinion though.

maynard g krebs
07-07-2014, 10:47 AM
To even the playing field, you'd have to make Dickau shoot two hand set shots exclusively, and Violette and Gourde be limited to shooting running hook shots from the foul line.

gozagswoohoo
07-07-2014, 11:06 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Xeuo270.jpg

Is that a young Charlie Sheen?? If so, I am going 1944.

LongIslandZagFan
07-07-2014, 11:08 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Xeuo270.jpg

Is that a young Charlie Sheen?? If so, I am going 1944.

Holy crap... maybe Charlie is a shape shifter.

Mr Vulture
07-07-2014, 11:43 AM
I understand the need for nostalgia but that '44 team would lose by 40 points...lets get real. That's like saying Bob Cousy could play in todays NBA....lol.

sittingon50
07-07-2014, 12:35 PM
I understand the need for nostalgia but that '44 team would lose by 40 points...lets get real. That's like saying Bob Cousy could play in todays NBA....lol.

Actually, unless they go '44 rules & no shot clock I'm thinking it would be >60.

MTZag03
07-07-2014, 01:39 PM
Well yeah, but my understanding is that some handicap would be allowed. We're talking totally different eras here. Looking at standing versus contemporary competition on that front the 43-44 team is better hands down. Obviously the modern team would run them out of the gym, but my vote went to the old guys.

maynard g krebs
07-07-2014, 02:40 PM
I understand the need for nostalgia but that '44 team would lose by 40 points...lets get real. That's like saying Bob Cousy could play in todays NBA....lol.

Understand your point and agree with the gist of it, but Cousy could play anywhere and in any era, keeping in mind that if he played today he'd be doing modern strength training- nobody did weight training in his era. I believe he'd be an all star today. Cousy, Oscar, Magic, and Stockton are still the standard for the position imo. Cousy was as good as Stocton or Steve Nash, and as much of a showman as Magic.

ZagsGoZags
07-07-2014, 06:17 PM
We had this same discussion about a recent team vs a team from the 1960's. If the old team could be brought to life to play now, the modern team would win. Like putting Roger Bannister in a diamond league track meet today, or Jesse Owens.
But I prefer to compare each team to how they compared to their national rankings, in their time, in their context. We have Sweet 16 vs #6 in the nation. I will go with #6 in the nation, especially considering how the center of gravity in the USA at that time was way, way, East.

gonzagafan62
07-08-2014, 07:27 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Xeuo270.jpg

Is that a young Charlie Sheen?? If so, I am going 1944.

Very Interesting.

77Zag
07-08-2014, 08:17 AM
went with the 43-44 Team out of respect for the era and those that served. Have no idea about the talent level, I do love the Ronny and Cory team as well

Go Zags!!

maynard g krebs
07-08-2014, 10:02 AM
We have Sweet 16 vs #6 in the nation. I will go with #6 in the nation, especially considering how the center of gravity in the USA at that time was way, way, East.

A couple things. 02 was the team that lost to Wyoming in Albuquerque in the first round. (Painfully, I was there). Also, according to statsheet.com, 02 finished at #6 in the final AP poll at 29-4 despite that loss.

gonzagafan62
07-08-2014, 10:25 AM
A couple things. 02 was the team that lost to Wyoming in Albuquerque in the first round. (Painfully, I was there). Also, according to statsheet.com, 02 finished at #6 in the final AP poll at 29-4 despite that loss.

Yup its #6 vs #6 (historically speaking, of course) for the time period of that year, if you will. Two really fantastic teams, and a close game today. Who will finish the deal this time?