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Malastein
02-12-2014, 04:18 PM
This is certainly an odd mix for a more veteran laden Gonzaga team. They've got a couple classic Zags in the back court, who on any given night can go out and swing the game in either direction with their shooting. They've got some solid bigs, cut not nearly enough depth. There's a number of guys who might play professionally, but I don't think anyone is guaranteed to make an impact. The biggest question though, as always, is what is their March potential?

Pangos, healthy or not, is a dramatically better shooter at home than away or neutral, which doesn't bode well. Then again, he's still a really good shooter if he gets it going. Should the staff have rested him and let him get fully healthy? Maybe other guys would've stepped up, but his return could have also disrupted chemistry. He improved in the offseason, but that Dayton game in particular made me think he wasn't ready to lead the team to success. Without being fully healthy, I worry that his shooting becomes the biggest make or break factor in the tournament.

After that, Dower and Karnowski are the guys with the biggest focus for opposing teams. Get one or both in foul trouble, and then the Zags are suspect defensively especially against a drive and dish offense. Karnowski is one of the better defensive players Gonzaga has had in the post, but he's young enough to let his frustrations affect his overall game. His offensive moves are still raw, but there's plenty of opportunity for him to aggressively attack the basket. Dower is playing the best ball of his career, and really needs to keep bringing it consistently on defense and the boards. The games where he isn't focused are pretty obvious, and usually result in losses.

What to make of Gary Bell? He's pretty much what Steven Gray was: a great 3rd or fourth option capable of doing a little bit of everything but rarely a game changer. He's a foundational part of the team, but I don't see the drive to become the best he could possibly be. Really nothing wrong with that either, since he's a great competitor and a good person, by all accounts.

What to make of the rest of the team is biggest question come March. This team needs a couple guys to start stepping up consistently, outside of Stockton. David Stockton is who he's been, a tough as nails, smart overachiever point guard, but a liability defensively who makes up for that somewhat with his ability to force steals. Coleman, Barham, and Dranginis have all shown flashes of sing capable of pushing it to a higher level, but none of the have made that leap where they confidently know they can play at that higher level consistently. Having listened to quite a bit of Jalen Rose, it sounds like with some guys it is a matter of confidence to be concentrating on where they know they can consistently make the right play. Once a player gets it, then they just make a bug jump because the game slows down for them. All these guys have skills which could lead them to making that leap, but none have done it so far. If they do, the ceiling moves from Sweet Sixteen to maybe Elite Eight, with a Kevin Pangos going nuts shot at a Final Four. Right now, this te is definitely good enough to win a game, but I'm not sure if they can string together two solid neutral games in a row.

Hokis
02-12-2014, 04:25 PM
Nice. I see a team that gets a 8 seed, gets matched up a 9 seed that everyone says GU has no chance against, GU wins in the first round, plays a #1 Seed and gets blown out by 25 in the 2nd round.


We seem to have those type of teams quite often /shrugs

bartruff1
02-12-2014, 04:40 PM
In the next couple weeks, I hope to see the team move past the toe and offense and become what I think they have the potential to be... a very good defensive team...

I really believe it is a team in transition with Stocks and Kyle and Shem and Gary and Coleman (especially Coleman).... if they can make that transition and play the Butler Defense they will have a chance in every game. If Angel could or would become a lock down defender....well hell....anything could happen....

Defense travels and after couple home games to scrimmage that defense .....they all will be road games...

Good defense starts good offense....I don't care if they never score 70 points again, just as long as they score one more than their opponent.....

I remember that last Butler game in their run...that was the ugliest championship game I have ever seen...and they had a shot to win it because of their defense.

gamagin
02-12-2014, 05:04 PM
(attn: Cad/Number cruncher et al)

good post, Mal.

Only flaw I see (and you are not alone here) is it seems to me DS's oft-repeated, never proven, defensive liability canard.

However, I'm hoping one of our stats gurus will pull up some numbers and either validate or debunk that for us all. In my view, DS has done as much or more to disrupt the other teams, on D, over and over, and throughout this season so far, than anyone on our hardwood since Hart.

A healthy KP might be or is right in there and KD has shown up in that capacity for the last 5-8 games in my memory. GBj is usually a specialist and on one guy at a time, but DS is the roving guy and has a great nose for the ball, imo. He's climbing the school all-time steal list but it's all the other disruptions that I see besides the steals, that makes me believe he is getting short shrift here.

The problem for me is what I think I see vs. what keeps being said. that is the pix planted in many minds and repeated all the time, that seems to have painted DS in the weak D category. The picture is some taller guy shooting over DS and that's what seems to stick. There are mismatches and definitely times when any guard, but DS in particular, is a bad matchup in some games. And there are taller guys who shoot over DS. No question. But it is not an automatic flaw nor an ongoing weakness. It seldom happens more than once.

I'm not saying he is the best. I'm saying he is our best at what he does. That's why he's out there on both O and D. He was a big part of holding Mem's star guard to 5 points, for a recent e.g. Jackson had been making 15-20 ppg for some time up to that game. How does that square with weak D ?

But this is, I admit, observation not backed up, on my part. I'll believe it one way or the other when I see it on Cad or Number cruncher's (and others) stats. If that is possible.

MickMick
02-12-2014, 05:46 PM
My expectations were not high coming in to the season. I will say, all things considered, that the team has met, and possibly exceeded those expectations.

I predicted that extending the string of NCAA post season appearances was the goal. At this point, it appears they will get it done. Beyond that, I'm not expecting much.

One can talk about riding a hot player in post season. Sam is one of those kind of players. They will go as far as Sam takes them.

HillBillyZag
02-12-2014, 05:57 PM
For myself, this 2013-14 version of the Zag's has been an enigma? There is enough skill. depth and athleticism to compete with about anyone but a half dozen programs in the Nation. But truthfully, in this fan's opinion we have played forty minutes of good basketball only about three or four times thus far? It reminds me of a race car with the "timing " just a "tad" off. If Coach Few knew?, I'm sure things would be different?, he reminds me of a guy playing " high-low split stud, has been dealt a "wheel" and can't decide which way to play it? I'm hoping we'll soon get everyone healthy and see how it goes from there? Go Zags!

Ekrub
02-12-2014, 06:03 PM
In the next couple weeks, I hope to see the team move past the toe and offense and become what I think they have the potential to be... a very good defensive team...

I really believe it is a team in transition with Stocks and Kyle and Shem and Gary and Coleman (especially Coleman).... if they can make that transition and play the Butler Defense they will have a chance in every game. If Angel could or would become a lock down defender....well hell....anything could happen....

Defense travels and after couple home games to scrimmage that defense .....they all will be road games...

Good defense starts good offense....I don't care if they never score 70 points again, just as long as they score one more than their opponent.....

I remember that last Butler game in their run...that was the ugliest championship game I have ever seen...and they had a shot to win it because of their defense.

Agree that defense travels best. Bodes well for the tourney as we are a fairly decent defensive squad.

NumberCruncher
02-12-2014, 11:53 PM
(attn: Cad/Number cruncher et al)

good post, Mal.

Only flaw I see (and you are not alone here) is it seems to me DS's oft-repeated, never proven, defensive liability canard.

However, I'm hoping one of our stats gurus will pull up some numbers and either validate or debunk that for us all. In my view, DS has done as much or more to disrupt the other teams, on D, over and over, and throughout this season so far, than anyone on our hardwood since Hart.

A healthy KP might be or is right in there and KD has shown up in that capacity for the last 5-8 games in my memory. GBj is usually a specialist and on one guy at a time, but DS is the roving guy and has a great nose for the ball, imo. He's climbing the school all-time steal list but it's all the other disruptions that I see besides the steals, that makes me believe he is getting short shrift here.

The problem for me is what I think I see vs. what keeps being said. that is the pix planted in many minds and repeated all the time, that seems to have painted DS in the weak D category. The picture is some taller guy shooting over DS and that's what seems to stick. There are mismatches and definitely times when any guard, but DS in particular, is a bad matchup in some games. And there are taller guys who shoot over DS. No question. But it is not an automatic flaw nor an ongoing weakness. It seldom happens more than once.

I'm not saying he is the best. I'm saying he is our best at what he does. That's why he's out there on both O and D. He was a big part of holding Mem's star guard to 5 points, for a recent e.g. Jackson had been making 15-20 ppg for some time up to that game. How does that square with weak D ?

But this is, I admit, observation not backed up, on my part. I'll believe it one way or the other when I see it on Cad or Number cruncher's (and others) stats. If that is possible.


http://i.imgur.com/ltETm8V.gif

Here's how the team has done with each player in the game vs. on the bench. The numbers are free of garbage time, adjusted for opponent strength and adjusted for location. Positive numbers mean the team did better by that many points per 100 possessions while that player was in the game.

Malastein
02-13-2014, 02:12 AM
Wow, that's some crazy numbers!!! Pangos' must have looked better before the injury though, right? I look at my other favorite team, Colorado, and when the star point guard tore his ACL, it took 4 or 5 games but other guys starting figuring it out and stepping up. Pangos could've rested a couple months, and could be working his way back into a line up with guys who were forced to step up in his absence.

wnczagfan
02-13-2014, 08:55 AM
(attn: Cad/Number cruncher et al)

good post, Mal.

Only flaw I see (and you are not alone here) is it seems to me DS's oft-repeated, never proven, defensive liability canard.

However, I'm hoping one of our stats gurus will pull up some numbers and either validate or debunk that for us all. In my view, DS has done as much or more to disrupt the other teams, on D, over and over, and throughout this season so far, than anyone on our hardwood since Hart.

A healthy KP might be or is right in there and KD has shown up in that capacity for the last 5-8 games in my memory. GBj is usually a specialist and on one guy at a time, but DS is the roving guy and has a great nose for the ball, imo. He's climbing the school all-time steal list but it's all the other disruptions that I see besides the steals, that makes me believe he is getting short shrift here.

The problem for me is what I think I see vs. what keeps being said. that is the pix planted in many minds and repeated all the time, that seems to have painted DS in the weak D category. The picture is some taller guy shooting over DS and that's what seems to stick. There are mismatches and definitely times when any guard, but DS in particular, is a bad matchup in some games. And there are taller guys who shoot over DS. No question. But it is not an automatic flaw nor an ongoing weakness. It seldom happens more than once.

I'm not saying he is the best. I'm saying he is our best at what he does. That's why he's out there on both O and D. He was a big part of holding Mem's star guard to 5 points, for a recent e.g. Jackson had been making 15-20 ppg for some time up to that game. How does that square with weak D ?

But this is, I admit, observation not backed up, on my part. I'll believe it one way or the other when I see it on Cad or Number cruncher's (and others) stats. If that is possible.

+1

Also, alot of what Stockton does well does not always show up in the stats. The "hockey" assists where he pushes the ball quickly down the floor for a fast break to a player who then gives it up to another for a basket; Stockton doesn't get an assist, but clearly was the driver on the play. The many times where he hounds the other teams player causing them to fumble the ball, and another Zag comes up with the steal. The times when he is in "steal" mode, and the other team keeps the ball on a quarter of the court because they are afraid to pass the ball past him. To paraphrase Sam Dower, "a lot of little things a player does to help the team that don't show up in the stats." Not to mention all of our missed bunnies this season that would have chalked up even more assists for him.

I am not sure why Stockton often seems to be the whipping boy; when our opponents shoot the three ball over Pangos or Bell, it seems like we don't hear much about it; when other players are completely out of position, it's practically mums the word. Pangos has three turnovers and its hardly even mentioned, if at all.

I am not saying Stockton is perfect, but each of our players has flaws in their game, yet David seems to have received an extraordinary amount of criticism over his career here, in my opinion, when I feel that instead we should be celebrating all that he has achieved. "He wins games for us", said Tommy Lloyd.

On Kelly Olynyk's twitter, he said to David "thanks for making it so easy for me last year" or something to that effect.

I just don't get all the criticism, and I wonder:

Who will be the whipping boy next year?

vandalzag
02-13-2014, 09:01 AM
Wow, that's some crazy numbers!!! Pangos' must have looked better before the injury though, right? I look at my other favorite team, Colorado, and when the star point guard tore his ACL, it took 4 or 5 games but other guys starting figuring it out and stepping up. Pangos could've rested a couple months, and could be working his way back into a line up with guys who were forced to step up in his absence.

I think they could have shut him down if it were not for all the other injuries and illness that hit the club. Bell getting hurt at the same time as Dower being down pretty much assured that Few could not afford to sit KP. If Bell had been healthy it would have been nice to see him given the go to role and see if he could have grabbed the reigns. I do like your comparison of Bell to Gray. Very similar patterns as far as having flashes of brilliance and combined with too much time deferring to other players. We have seen it this year when GB gets on a roll he is the best player on the floor.

Baseline
02-13-2014, 09:55 AM
My thoughts on the team have changed a bunch since the start of the season.

Shem is dominant on defense and that was learned this year, a big upside move by him. He is learning on offense, but the improvements are not coming as fast. A huge upside potential though.

Gerry Bell can not take charge for the team, his style is to let the game come to him. If he forces things he just makes mistakes.

Stocks is solid and his game success is based on who the opponent is.

Kyle is all around our best player and needs huge playing time.

Barham is better than I thought and should get more playing time.

Sam is about where I thought he would be

Colman has great potential, but until he quits his out of control forcing moves he needs a short leach.

Pangos because of his toe has disappointed. What we do in march will be determined how well Kevin is doing.

I don't expect much from this team unless Kevin recovers. If that occurs their could be a few real surprises come tournament time.

gamagin
02-13-2014, 10:18 AM
+1


+1 Also, alot of what Stockton does well does not always show up in the stats. The "hockey" assists where he pushes the ball quickly down the floor for a fast break to a player who then gives it up to another for a basket; Stockton doesn't get an assist, but clearly was the driver on the play. The many times where he hounds the other teams player causing them to fumble the ball, and another Zag comes up with the steal. The times when he is in "steal" mode, and the other team keeps the ball on a quarter of the court because they are afraid to pass the ball past him. To paraphrase Sam Dower, "a lot of little things a player does to help the team that don't show up in the stats." Not to mention all of our missed bunnies this season that would have chalked up even more assists for him. I am not sure why Stockton often seems to be the whipping boy; when our opponents shoot the three ball over Pangos or Bell, it seems like we don't hear much about it; when other players are completely out of position, it's practically mums the word. Pangos has three turnovers and its hardly even mentioned, if at all. I am not saying Stockton is perfect, but each of our players has flaws in their game, yet David seems to have received an extraordinary amount of criticism over his career here, in my opinion, when I feel that instead we should be celebrating all that he has achieved. "He wins games for us", said Tommy Lloyd. On Kelly Olynyk's twitter, he said to David "thanks for making it so easy for me last year" or something to that effect. I just don't get all the criticism, and I wonder:
Who will be the whipping boy next year?

the short answer is too many jumped all over DS for mostly the wrong reasons. I think most of them have been awakened. maybe even humb led that they were so damned wrong. That, and the work of stats folks who, while not perfect, paint a better picture than a bunch of folks working through their own biases and believing, before this, that their opinions were as good as or better than powers of observation backed by stats.

Over time, I envision a GUB withouty whipping boys going forward. We'll see.

tyra
02-13-2014, 10:39 AM
At (what?) 22-4, this team is better than I would have predicted last October.

Mal: I always appreciate your posts but this statement regarding Kevin I found puzzling: "but that Dayton game in particular made me think he wasn't ready to lead the team to success." I am thinking of the blind-folded men feeling different parts of the elephant but I watched that game -- in fact I was there -- and I thought Kevin put the team on his back for the last five or six minutes. Viva la difference.

cjm720
02-13-2014, 10:46 AM
This is certainly an odd mix for a more veteran laden Gonzaga team. They've got a couple classic Zags in the back court, who on any given night can go out and swing the game in either direction with their shooting. They've got some solid bigs, cut not nearly enough depth. There's a number of guys who might play professionally, but I don't think anyone is guaranteed to make an impact. The biggest question though, as always, is what is their March potential?

Pangos, healthy or not, is a dramatically better shooter at home than away or neutral, which doesn't bode well. Then again, he's still a really good shooter if he gets it going. Should the staff have rested him and let him get fully healthy? Maybe other guys would've stepped up, but his return could have also disrupted chemistry. He improved in the offseason, but that Dayton game in particular made me think he wasn't ready to lead the team to success. Without being fully healthy, I worry that his shooting becomes the biggest make or break factor in the tournament.

After that, Dower and Karnowski are the guys with the biggest focus for opposing teams. Get one or both in foul trouble, and then the Zags are suspect defensively especially against a drive and dish offense. Karnowski is one of the better defensive players Gonzaga has had in the post, but he's young enough to let his frustrations affect his overall game. His offensive moves are still raw, but there's plenty of opportunity for him to aggressively attack the basket. Dower is playing the best ball of his career, and really needs to keep bringing it consistently on defense and the boards. The games where he isn't focused are pretty obvious, and usually result in losses.

What to make of Gary Bell? He's pretty much what Steven Gray was: a great 3rd or fourth option capable of doing a little bit of everything but rarely a game changer. He's a foundational part of the team, but I don't see the drive to become the best he could possibly be. Really nothing wrong with that either, since he's a great competitor and a good person, by all accounts.

What to make of the rest of the team is biggest question come March. This team needs a couple guys to start stepping up consistently, outside of Stockton. David Stockton is who he's been, a tough as nails, smart overachiever point guard, but a liability defensively who makes up for that somewhat with his ability to force steals. Coleman, Barham, and Dranginis have all shown flashes of sing capable of pushing it to a higher level, but none of the have made that leap where they confidently know they can play at that higher level consistently. Having listened to quite a bit of Jalen Rose, it sounds like with some guys it is a matter of confidence to be concentrating on where they know they can consistently make the right play. Once a player gets it, then they just make a bug jump because the game slows down for them. All these guys have skills which could lead them to making that leap, but none have done it so far. If they do, the ceiling moves from Sweet Sixteen to maybe Elite Eight, with a Kevin Pangos going nuts shot at a Final Four. Right now, this te is definitely good enough to win a game, but I'm not sure if they can string together two solid neutral games in a row.

Good write-up, don't disagree with much. Although, my memory to Steven Gray was a 1st or 2nd option, do-it-all guard. Very much like we were hoping to see with Bell, but to his defense he's been injured much more than Gray ever was.

It all starts with Pangos...

NumberCruncher
02-13-2014, 10:53 AM
Wow, that's some crazy numbers!!! Pangos' must have looked better before the injury though, right? I look at my other favorite team, Colorado, and when the star point guard tore his ACL, it took 4 or 5 games but other guys starting figuring it out and stepping up. Pangos could've rested a couple months, and could be working his way back into a line up with guys who were forced to step up in his absence.

Yes, Pangos' numbers look better before the injury, which I'm pretty sure happened before the NMSU game. Of course, that's a pretty small data set resulting in much larger numbers in both directions. And the offense was among the very best in the country then, while the defense was rated much worse than it is now.

This is a very interesting team. Often, what works on one end doesn't work on the other. What worked early in the year is different from what works now. I expect more of the same. How far they go will most likely depend on whether or not somebody can make plays down the stretch of close games.

gamagin
02-13-2014, 11:12 AM
NC: I "think" KP's ankle first rolled in a hard landing at the USF game Feb. 1, if that is what you are referring to in post #16. He subsequently rolled it again in practice and in a more recent game, as I recall. fwiw.

cjm720
02-13-2014, 11:13 AM
+1



the short answer is too many jumped all over DS for mostly the wrong reasons. I think most of them have been awakened. maybe even humb led that they were so damned wrong. That, and the work of stats folks who, while not perfect, paint a better picture than a bunch of folks working through their own biases and believing, before this, that their opinions were as good as or better than powers of observation backed by stats.

Over time, I envision a GUB withouty whipping boys going forward. We'll see.

I think DS gets a bad wrap because he's maybe 5'11" and super skinny - not a prototypical PG on a championship caliber team (although as I type, I consider Siva...albeit different type of small player) - and we already have Pangos. But Pangos is also relatively small, so we have quality backcourt, just not a ton of size. So coach plays the most effective guys.

IMO DS has earned every bit of PT. He steps up in games you'd least expect (read, against BCS, athletic teams). The box score wouldn't flesh it out, but DS was by far the most effective guard against Memphis.

He's smart, effective, fearless, a winner...he's just not what I would consider the cog of a championship quality team....of course, I hope he continues to prove me wrong.

cjm720
02-13-2014, 11:17 AM
Yes, Pangos' numbers look better before the injury, which I'm pretty sure happened before the NMSU game. Of course, that's a pretty small data set resulting in much larger numbers in both directions. And the offense was among the very best in the country then, while the defense was rated much worse than it is now.

This is a very interesting team. Often, what works on one end doesn't work on the other. What worked early in the year is different from what works now. I expect more of the same. How far they go will most likely depend on whether or not somebody can make plays down the stretch of close games.

This to me is the heart of the matter regarding player substitutions/rotations. It's easy to look at why a player isn't playing on offense, but the game requires defense as well!

john montana
02-13-2014, 11:30 AM
My only complaint about DS and defense is that I think the high risk/high reward hurts us. I don't think it is a matter of a bigger guy shooting over him, but more a matter of DS gambling, doubling, sneaking away for a steal and leaving a gaping hole in our team defense. The play that reminds me most of this was the end of the first half in San Francisco. With less than 10 on the clock, DS sprinted away from Holmes (their best 3 pt shooter) to double and go for a steal against Dickerson (who was being guarded) on the perimeter. Dickerson made a simple, one line pass to Holmes who hit the three to end that half. DS is fine one on one...the idea that he gets "shot over" is not really true, but there are issues that his gambling causes. Sometimes it looks great...sometimes he leaves one of the best 3 point shooters in the conference open to cut the lead by 3 at the end of the half. I still love the kid and he flat out has BALLS...but my personal opinion is his gambling does more harm than good. I would rather see KD play those minutes, with DS coming off the bench...but I believe I can say that without bashing DS. He's been very good for us.

Zags11
02-13-2014, 12:19 PM
David gets hated on alot, but then also gets so much love. People cant be nuetral on here or just like him. Either way he has played well enough. Getting played out.

Malastein
02-13-2014, 01:33 PM
At (what?) 22-4, this team is better than I would have predicted last October.

Mal: I always appreciate your posts but this statement regarding Kevin I found puzzling: "but that Dayton game in particular made me think he wasn't ready to lead the team to success." I am thinking of the blind-folded men feeling different parts of the elephant but I watched that game -- in fact I was there -- and I thought Kevin put the team on his back for the last five or six minutes. Viva la difference.

He played a very selfish game, and shot poorly from outside. He got his points, but it was one of those bad Allen Iverson nights where he got his. I know he wasn't going for that, but he stagnated the offense with his approach to that game, even if he looked good. I'm sure Coach Few talked to him afterward, since he played much more within his game and distributed the ball the rest of that tournament.

Mr Vulture
02-13-2014, 01:38 PM
I don't see Gonzaga losing to anyone by 25 points frankly. The thing about this team is that it wouldn't shock me if the beat anyone they face in the tournament but it also wouldn't shock me if they lost to most teams that would be in the tournament either.


Nice. I see a team that gets a 8 seed, gets matched up a 9 seed that everyone says GU has no chance against, GU wins in the first round, plays a #1 Seed and gets blown out by 25 in the 2nd round.


We seem to have those type of teams quite often /shrugs

titopoet
02-13-2014, 03:38 PM
I have to say I am in the minority. I really like this team. They have had more adversity since the tough year for 2007 team. Injuries, doubters and still this team is 21-4. This team has a toughness about it and I still believe they will make a run in March. They have great guards, the top four, Bell, Pangos, Stocks and KD all have a better than a 2 - 1 assist to TO rate. The starting Bigs are both very good. The weakness is the lack of a consistent backup big, which has always been the legitimate knock on this team. But every top team has a weakness with the exception of Florida and maybe WSU. Duke has even more trouble in the bigs department. Kansas and Arizona lacks a true shooter. Michigan can't play D. MSU has been dealing with an even bigger injury bug. Syracuse lacks a go to guy other than their freshman phenom. Any of those teams could stumble. I have never seen a GU team so maligned by its fan and yet it is playing some of the best D in the Few Era. Pangos is tough as nails and this team is running away with the strangest WCC in a decade (that is what the numbers.) And the Zags will be running below the radar for the first time in a long while. It is open year.

I still believe in this team and nothing I have seen has changed my mind.

Hoopaholic
02-13-2014, 03:57 PM
I have to say I am in the minority. I really like this team. They have had more adversity since the tough year for 2007 team. Injuries, doubters and still this team is 21-4. This team has a toughness about it and I still believe they will make a run in March. They have great guards, the top four, Bell, Pangos, Stocks and KD all have a better than a 2 - 1 assist to TO rate. The starting Bigs are both very good. The weakness is the lack of a consistent backup big, which has always been the legitimate knock on this team. But every top team has a weakness with the exception of Florida and maybe WSU. Duke has even more trouble in the bigs department. Kansas and Arizona lacks a true shooter. Michigan can't play D. MSU has been dealing with an even bigger injury bug. Syracuse lacks a go to guy other than their freshman phenom. Any of those teams could stumble. I have never seen a GU team so maligned by its fan and yet it is playing some of the best D in the Few Era. Pangos is tough as nails and this team is running away with the strangest WCC in a decade (that is what the numbers.) And the Zags will be running below the radar for the first time in a long while. It is open year.

I still believe in this team and nothing I have seen has changed my mind.

I am in your corner Titopoet.......THis is a unique team that brings dimenshions from all options on the court both offensively and defensively.....for me the key is to get couple players relatively healthy and I truly think this team may surprise a few

titopoet
02-13-2014, 04:15 PM
I am in your corner Titopoet.......THis is a unique team that brings dimenshions from all options on the court both offensively and defensively.....for me the key is to get couple players relatively healthy and I truly think this team may surprise a few

+1000

gamagin
02-13-2014, 04:22 PM
+1

I am in your corner Titopoet.......THis is a unique team that brings dimenshions from all options on the court both offensively and defensively.....for me the key is to get couple players relatively healthy and I truly think this team may surprise a few

Tito:

Nice post, thanks.

and add my name to the satisfied fans. I like what I see and hope and believe the best is yet to come. Definitely the best possibilities are right in front of us and there for the taking.

Oregonzagnut
02-13-2014, 04:32 PM
I don't see anyone hating on DS. People just notice that he is not the best person for much of what Few puts him in for. However he is getting better and I actually stated not too long ago that he would be leading our team at PG. that didn't quite happen because I assumed he would have built up a more solid body, and that his shooting would be lethal.

Malastein
02-13-2014, 05:58 PM
Seems as though this thread has provoked the typical koolaid versus hater fan dichotomy, which is slightly ridiculous. My intent was only to provide the fairest assessment based on my observation, which is more or less what most fans on a message board do. I love Gonzaga, and would love to see them in the final four, but if I'm being realistical then the expectation is that next year they'll have a much greater opportunity if they can keep Shem and get Sabonis!

bballbeachbum
02-13-2014, 06:45 PM
Seems as though this thread has provoked the typical koolaid versus hater fan dichotomy, which is slightly ridiculous. My intent was only to provide the fairest assessment based on my observation, which is more or less what most fans on a message board do. I love Gonzaga, and would love to see them in the final four, but if I'm being realistical then the expectation is that next year they'll have a much greater opportunity if they can keep Shem and get Sabonis!

cheers Mal, enjoying your thread, your take :cheers:

expectations and emotional investment in them, with this team. just what it is for each individual here seems to me. certainly not an apathetic board

LongIslandZagFan
02-13-2014, 08:02 PM
Any given night this team can beat just about anyone. When they are shooting well... they border on unbeatable. Defensively they are not as good as last year but light years better than GU has been in the past.

The predominant trait on this team though is toughness. The live up to the Bulldog name. When they are down they play that much harder. Hokis said they'd get run by 25??? Not this team... they'd have to be flatter than a can of coke left open and sitting out for 3 weeks. This team plays with their hearts and they won't quit until the final buzzer. They may not win, but they won't go down without a fight.