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Urika
01-28-2014, 08:45 AM
I think that this year's GU team will be as dangerous as last year's come tournament time

With goals unfulfilled from last year's top ranking, graduations, etc....the national media has turned a cold shoulder to this year's team. Right or not, the formula for GU success has not changed as personnel has matured and new faces have stepped into roles.

During this time, GU has quietly gone about its business of winning, getting healthy, and being better than they were in November

I haven't stated anything that you don't know already but perhaps an "under the radar" approach may be the identity of this year's team

I have no hesitancy in stating a sweet sixteen bid at the very least.....bottom up or top down, the lineup and coaching is as formidable as it has ever been

former1dog
01-28-2014, 08:48 AM
Urika,

Welcome to the board. I think your assessment is pretty level headed. Time will tell after the gauntlet of 7 road games to end the season is completed.

Are you the same Urika that posts on Donscentral and GodisaGael boards?

Reborn
01-28-2014, 09:00 AM
Thanks for the compliments and encouragements. I also see St. Mary's is really amping up too. Bennett has them playing really well right now. You guys have been destroying teams lately. I see you all have a pretty important road trip this weekend too. I'm anxious to see how you do at BYU and San Diego. We'll be heading down in that territory in a few weeks. Knowing how you guys do will help understand what we need to do. Good luck this week.

former1dog
01-28-2014, 09:02 AM
I root for all BYU opponents, even USF. I can't help myself. It only took attendance at 2 GU at BYU games to ruin me forever on BYU.

Goshzagit
01-28-2014, 09:14 AM
Since Bennett has returned(5 game suspension), SMC's scoring average went up nearly 15 ppg!! They have scored at least 80+ pts since he returned 4 games ago. While he as away, they had two games scoring in the 50's, folks. One being vs us. That is NOT Gael bball.

SMC has been offensively dominant and creative under Bennett's control, per usual. Now solidly in 2nd place and only 1 game behind us.

What a difference a Coach makes.

TexasZagFan
01-28-2014, 09:36 AM
I root for all BYU opponents, even USF. I can't help myself. It only took attendance at 2 GU at BYU games to ruin me forever on BYU.

My antipathy towards BYU was honed in the 80s during their games with UTEP. I attended this unforgettable game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798-q4Y1u_Y

DixieZag
01-28-2014, 09:58 AM
Ugh, I just asked in another thread - the Santa Clara one - how it was that SMC got beat by SCU 57-55 at home.

Coach was obviously still gone, duh.

hooter73
01-28-2014, 10:07 AM
I agree that we are just as dangerous as last years team in the Tournament.

And the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that...

cjm720
01-28-2014, 10:40 AM
Assuming we make the big dance, I like the fact that we will likely be overlooked by a lot of teams. You cannot underestimate the target on your back mentality that teams bring against top seeds - not unlike what we deal with in conference play.

I've said since the summer that I expect this team to do better than expected and I will stick with that...the biggest observation to me is that we need to be more aggressive than the opponent...if we are, we win. If we get punched in the mouth early, the deer in headlight shine through and we appear weak. We need to stay aggressive and be the stronger team on the court every game.

CaliforniaZaggin'
01-28-2014, 10:57 AM
Teams that can rain in 3s can beat anyone on any given day. On the other hand, teams that rely heavily on the 3-ball can also lose to anyone on any given day if they hit a cold streak. Regardless, February and March should be entertaining!

gonzagafan62
01-28-2014, 11:03 AM
Does this team remind anyone of the 2010-11 team that we had? Of course I think we are better, but we are under the radar may be sweating it out come Selection Sunday, but we are a much better team than that one IMO

GoZags
01-28-2014, 02:19 PM
Fwiw I do not consider Urika an "outsider". Sure he's an SMC guy but he knows the WCC and he lives in Washington State. Although he and I have never met he's a longtime poster who has my attention and respect .... Even when his take isn't flattering for the Zags.

As for this post ..... hopefully he's hit the nail on the head.

TheGonzagaFactor
01-28-2014, 03:25 PM
Since Bennett has returned(5 game suspension), SMC's scoring average went up nearly 15 ppg!! They have scored at least 80+ pts since he returned 4 games ago. While he as away, they had two games scoring in the 50's, folks. One being vs us. That is NOT Gael bball.

SMC has been offensively dominant and creative under Bennett's control, per usual. Now solidly in 2nd place and only 1 game behind us.

What a difference a Coach makes.

They also went from playing decent teams in Hawaii and GU to playing lower half WCC teams. Bennett does help though.

exclusivelee
01-28-2014, 03:36 PM
Let's not get ahead of ourselves... Randy Bennett has only coached in home games since his return...

Section 116
01-28-2014, 04:03 PM
former1dog, The first GU-BYU WCC tournament clash in Las Vegas ruined me forever as well. I was even tickled when the GU women blew out the BYU women a few weeks ago!!

former1dog
01-28-2014, 04:05 PM
former1dog, The first GU-BYU WCC tournament clash in Las Vegas ruined me forever as well. I was even tickled when the GU women blew out the BYU women a few weeks ago!!

Fans are insufferable.

Last year I sat next to a BYU fan at the GU game in Provo. Nice enough guy when there wasn't any action, but just an absolute a-hole when the game was on, as was roughly 85% of the crowd.

Oregonzagnut
01-28-2014, 05:48 PM
I have no hesitancy in stating a sweet sixteen bid at the very least.....

Now I see the real intent of this thread......a jynx.




:jk:

Martin Centre Mad Man
01-28-2014, 06:02 PM
This is a question for Urika, MJGogaels, and the other Gaels visitors to our forum: how good is your team? I've watched them play four games on the season - the three Hawaii games and the game against Gonzaga. They looked flat in all four performances, but those four games accounted for four of the Gaels' five losses.

I have to believe that your guys are playing far better basketball than you showed during your game against us. Are you a threat to win the league? How does your team compare to recent Gaels teams? What are your strengths and weaknesses? Which players have emerged as the leaders of the team? Is your team equipped to win a game or two in March?

kitzbuel
01-28-2014, 06:42 PM
This is a question for Urika, MJGogaels, and the other Gaels visitors to our forum: how good is your team? I've watched them play four games on the season - the three Hawaii games and the game against Gonzaga. They looked flat in all four performances, but those four games accounted for four of the Gaels' five losses.

I have to believe that your guys are playing far better basketball than you showed during your game against us. Are you a threat to win the league? How does your team compare to recent Gaels teams? What are your strengths and weaknesses? Which players have emerged as the leaders of the team? Is your team equipped to win a game or two in March?
My take on the Gaels is that they appear to be mentally fragile. They seem to have a hard time reasserting aggressiveness when taken out of their game plan or comfort zone. Waldow was hapless against the Zags and it seemed to rub off on the whole team.

Bennett may we'll be part of the solution to that.

Zagger
01-28-2014, 06:44 PM
.....I've said since the summer that I expect this team to do better than expected and I will stick with that...the biggest observation to me is that we need to be more aggressive than the opponent...if we are, we win. If we get punched in the mouth early, the deer in headlight shine through and we appear weak. We need to stay aggressive and be the stronger team on the court every game.

I feel kinda/sorta the same way - in that something is definitely missing at times when the Zags play. On occasion teamwork just does not gel, the team gets off-kilter and they play in a separate time-frame of sorts. Going forward, the more they play and the healthier they get there's certainly enough talent on the team that I believe we can expect to see some darn good ball movement and scoring going on. When these Zags find their groove - they'll be very hard to outscore.

Baseline
01-28-2014, 08:52 PM
Waldo has been a beast of late. When he played GU Shem owned him. It will be real interesting how the next go around turns out. SMC looks very streaky to me this year.

Zippyzaggy
01-28-2014, 09:13 PM
Fans are insufferable.

Last year I sat next to a BYU fan at the GU game in Provo. Nice enough guy when there wasn't any action, but just an absolute a-hole when the game was on, as was roughly 85% of the crowd.

I have been basically tormented by raucous, and rude, BYU fans on various blogs for years about how they would own the WCC when they came on-board. After the first year the majority excuse was they were rebuilding so that is why they had the "down year." Then it was the refs keeping BYU, as the newcomer, down to keep the prevailing hierarchy in place. Nowadays though it's pretty silent, lol.

I can deal with all that but what I cannot get past is a friend of mine went to a game in Provo with his girlfriend and was spit on by fans. So yeah, I get a warm , fuzzy kinda feeling when BYU stumbles.

Wanted to add that I understand it's not ALL BYU fans...just enough of them to set my negativity level towards them south of the border.

GaelfanCA
01-28-2014, 10:50 PM
This is a question for Urika, MJGogaels, and the other Gaels visitors to our forum: how good is your team? I've watched them play four games on the season - the three Hawaii games and the game against Gonzaga. They looked flat in all four performances, but those four games accounted for four of the Gaels' five losses.

I have to believe that your guys are playing far better basketball than you showed during your game against us. Are you a threat to win the league? How does your team compare to recent Gaels teams? What are your strengths and weaknesses? Which players have emerged as the leaders of the team? Is your team equipped to win a game or two in March?

You've essentially watched all four of our worst performances on the year. Especially the game vs. you guys. I'd say that or maybe George Mason have been our two worst games. When we are on our game we are much different and more effective on both ends, especially offensively. Our last game vs. LMU was the best we have played in a while, since early on in the year. When we are on our offense relies on Waldow and the three point shot essentially. Against you guys Waldow was completely outmatched and out of it mentally. This led to more reliance on the shooters who you guys covered well due to Waldows off night and lack of need to focus on inside. Couple that with poor shooting even on the few times our guys did get open looks, the fact that we were in a hostile environment, and were lacking our head coach,and we were downright awful that night.

I think this years team is overall not quite as consistent as the past two years, and lacks the leadership from dellavedova. Another main difference is our inability to pull out close games compared to last year. Save our game in the kennel last year and NCAA game vs memphis, we pulled out every close one, including a late one-and-one vs. Harvard, Delly's mid court shot vs BYU, another win after being tied with 2 mins to go at home vs BYU and an OT win vs. San Diego in the WCC tournament.

This year we've lost a ton of winnable ones, we were tied with South Carolina with two mins left, lost on buzzer beaters to Hawaii and Santa Clara, and lost by two to George Mason. A lucky bounce here or there and we could have won any of those four, in which case our record would look much better.

I think if we can find a way to sneak in to the NCAAs either by ending conference 15-3 or winning Vegas, we could put on a run if we draw good matchups with teams that have a weakness inside.

If a team can defend Waldow we really have problems and our shooters fail to have openings, and save for Holt we don't really have a perimeter player who can create his own shot. If waldow gets going things open up and we can be lethal, we have the best three point shooters in the WCC and can put up points in a hurry.

maynard g krebs
01-28-2014, 11:00 PM
we have the second best three point shooters in the WCC and can put up points in a hurry.

edited for accuracy.

CDC84
01-29-2014, 12:11 AM
This year we've lost a ton of winnable ones, we were tied with South Carolina with two mins left, lost on buzzer beaters to Hawaii and Santa Clara, and lost by two to George Mason. A lucky bounce here or there and we could have won any of those four, in which case our record would look much better

The preseason tournaments are nasty for teams who don't possess a great deal of depth or who choose to not play a lot of players. Which is why I have always had mixed feelings about them. If SMC had played South Carolina, Hawaii and GMU in the span of a week and a half, they might have gone 3-0, and certainly would have gone 2-1.

The SMC team I saw at Boise State played great. I tend to agree there are consistency issues which could potentially get fixed as the season wears on. The Gaels are facing a really tough stretch from January 30-February 8. Four straight road games: at San Diego, at BYU, at LMU and at Pepperdine. Then two at home, and back out on the road at USF and at SCU. It won't be easy. Just like Gonzaga's four game road trip at the end of league play won't be easy.

Martin Centre Mad Man
01-29-2014, 09:46 AM
You've essentially watched all four of our worst performances on the year. Especially the game vs. you guys. I'd say that or maybe George Mason have been our two worst games. When we are on our game we are much different and more effective on both ends, especially offensively. Our last game vs. LMU was the best we have played in a while, since early on in the year. When we are on our offense relies on Waldow and the three point shot essentially. Against you guys Waldow was completely outmatched and out of it mentally. This led to more reliance on the shooters who you guys covered well due to Waldows off night and lack of need to focus on inside. Couple that with poor shooting even on the few times our guys did get open looks, the fact that we were in a hostile environment, and were lacking our head coach,and we were downright awful that night.

I think this years team is overall not quite as consistent as the past two years, and lacks the leadership from dellavedova. Another main difference is our inability to pull out close games compared to last year. Save our game in the kennel last year and NCAA game vs memphis, we pulled out every close one, including a late one-and-one vs. Harvard, Delly's mid court shot vs BYU, another win after being tied with 2 mins to go at home vs BYU and an OT win vs. San Diego in the WCC tournament.

This year we've lost a ton of winnable ones, we were tied with South Carolina with two mins left, lost on buzzer beaters to Hawaii and Santa Clara, and lost by two to George Mason. A lucky bounce here or there and we could have won any of those four, in which case our record would look much better.

I think if we can find a way to sneak in to the NCAAs either by ending conference 15-3 or winning Vegas, we could put on a run if we draw good matchups with teams that have a weakness inside.

If a team can defend Waldow we really have problems and our shooters fail to have openings, and save for Holt we don't really have a perimeter player who can create his own shot. If waldow gets going things open up and we can be lethal, we have the best three point shooters in the WCC and can put up points in a hurry.

Thanks for the insight. This should be an entertaining horse race to the end. As always, the biggest two games of the year in the WCC will be the games between Gonzaga and SMC.

gonzagafan62
01-29-2014, 12:07 PM
edited for accuracy.

I would say you are correct MGK. Nobody is better than Pangos/Bell in the WCC at the three. and we ain't including Barham who is a 3pt specialist.

exclusivelee
01-29-2014, 12:20 PM
Bobby Sharp of Portland has a sweet jumper

Maybe he is a bit streakier, but he has seemed to shoot well from 3 against tougher opponents:

5/11 vs Oregon State
3/8 vs Michigan State
4/6 vs San Francisco
1/2 vs Saint Mary's
4/8 vs Gonzaga
8/13 vs BYU

40.6% from 3 on the season

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bobby-sharp-1/gamelog/

gonzagafan62
01-29-2014, 12:44 PM
Bobby Sharp of Portland has a sweet jumper

Maybe he is a bit streakier, but he has seemed to shoot well from 3 against tougher opponents:

5/11 vs Oregon State
3/8 vs Michigan State
4/6 vs San Francisco
1/2 vs Saint Mary's
4/8 vs Gonzaga
8/13 vs BYU

40.6% from 3 on the season

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/bobby-sharp-1/gamelog/

This is true. I really enjoyed watching him play versus BYU. He willed that team to victory that night.

Reborn
01-29-2014, 01:28 PM
This is true. I really enjoyed watching him play versus BYU. He willed that team to victory that night.

I hated watching him hurting the Zags too. He hit some big shots in that game. Can hardly wait for them (Portland) to come into K2 next week.

Angelo Roncalli
01-29-2014, 01:32 PM
Timeo Gaels et dona ferentis...

kitzbuel
01-29-2014, 01:36 PM
Whatever happened to Dirt?

Reborn
01-29-2014, 01:37 PM
Thanks for the insight. This should be an entertaining horse race to the end. As always, the biggest two games of the year in the WCC will be the games between Gonzaga and SMC.

You're right about St. Mary's but you sure can't discount BYU either. I also think the two games between St. Mary's and BYU are going to be very important. They play for the first time this week. I'm be paying close attention to that game. I also now believe that our game with Portland in K2 is very important to me.

gonzagafan62
01-29-2014, 01:46 PM
You're right about St. Mary's but you sure can't discount BYU either. I also think the two games between St. Mary's and BYU are going to be very important. They play for the first time this week. I'm be paying close attention to that game. I also now believe that our game with Portland in K2 is very important to me.

Oh boy are you ever right Reborn. That SMC vs BYU game is something I cannot wait to see. And you better bet, I was so mad after that Portland game that I went straight over to my calendar and put in big black letters "PORTLAND COMES TO K2" and circled it like 5 times. I have never been so pumped up about a game vs Portland. I want that game so bad this time around.

maynard g krebs
01-29-2014, 01:50 PM
I would say you are correct MGK. Nobody is better than Pangos/Bell in the WCC at the three. and we ain't including Barham who is a 3pt specialist.

By a nose, .425 to .418. I was surprised how close it is, and SMC's has been rising while GU's had dropped w/ injuries. So SMC could easily wind up better than GU. Right now GU had taken 10 more 3's and made 7 more.

Reborn
01-29-2014, 01:52 PM
Oh boy are you ever right Reborn. That SMC vs BYU game is something I cannot wait to see. And you better bet, I was so mad after that Portland game that I went straight over to my calendar and put in big black letters "PORTLAND COMES TO K2" and circled it like 5 times. I have never been so pumped up about a game vs Portland. I want that game so bad this time around.

:boxing::boxing: Right on! Hope we knock 'em out early. I'll take BYU @ home Saturday by 10.