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Reborn
11-10-2013, 07:58 AM
Gonzaga 85
Colorado St. 67

I'm hoping we shoot better from the 3 pt line. I really would like to see Pangos have better shooting night from the 3 pt line. And, of course, I want to see PK play a whole lot better. I think Sam Dower will continue to lead the Zags in the post. He will challenged more for sure. Hope the passing continues to be solid as it was last night. I loved how the Zags moved the ball against Bryant. Passing is a lost art, and it's fun to watch the Zags pass the ball.

GonzagasaurusFlex
11-10-2013, 08:04 AM
Gonzaga 87
Colorado St. 80

Defense continues to lag behind offense and Colorado State's game planning to stop Dower Jr. is effective, but Shem Nasty shows up and proves to be the difference!

MDABE80
11-10-2013, 10:19 AM
Personal issues aside, I think their coach always fields a very competetive team. I suspect it'll be a good game despite CSU graduated all 5 starters.
I hope the Kennel Club behaves. GU by 5-10.

Worthington
11-10-2013, 11:47 AM
If this game is close, I'm going to be very worried about the rest of the season. Zags by 15+

jazzdelmar
11-10-2013, 11:49 AM
Sensible lineups.

Zag365
11-10-2013, 12:18 PM
If we had to play this 48-hour turnaround game on the road at this stage of the season against a decent team like CSU, I'd be very nervous. Not that we played poorly against Bryant. Given our personnel we did just fine. Nothing surprising about the Bryant game, IMHO. Our strengths and weakenesses were what most, including the coaches/players, already identified. We are a good team but simply not a lock to be in the top 20 (which doesn't disappoint in the least -- as long as we play to to our ability).

At this point, I think the team is still coming together (and we won't really know until Ryan Edwards is back and AN is eligible). GC had a good first game but it looked like he and the team are trying to figure out how best to maximize his offense while not disrupting the basic offensive sets he needs to play within for the rest of the team. So, I don't think we will know what to expect on a consistent basis from GC until a few more games.

I'll take another game where we grab the lead and hold it through out. Will very nervous (for the future) if we don't win at least by 5 at home and would be very pleased if we win by 10 or more.

Didn't Monson's LBSU team have a secret scrimmage against CSU? If so, there might be some good intel coming back to our coaches.

DixieZag
11-10-2013, 12:34 PM
I want to see some threes dropping for daggers.

A lot of the "oh - oh" feeling that exists in here, IMHO, is due to the fact that no one was hitting outside shots regularly. I would like to see us shoot 50% from 3.

I want to see us guard a lot better.

And, I want to see Karno on the floor with Sam for major minutes.

Zags 84
Rams 71

Closer than it should be, this team is "the definition of a rebuilding year" according to a lot of the pre-season breakdowns.

DCZag
11-10-2013, 01:35 PM
More minutes from Karno - better shooting from 3 for KP. I think we win by 20.

MTZag03
11-10-2013, 01:40 PM
Sensible lineups.

I second that. I think Few was definitely experimenting a lot last night. Lets hope the lineup gets more refined.

maynard g krebs
11-10-2013, 04:16 PM
A lot of the "oh - oh" feeling that exists in here, IMHO, is due to the fact that no one was hitting outside shots regularly.

Bell 3-4, Barham 2-4.

Pangos 1-7, rest of team 6-12 combined. So it really comes down to an off night for Pangos. And at least a couple of his were badly off line, which to me suggests something mechanical. I'd bet it's corrected tomorrow.

DixieZag
11-10-2013, 04:55 PM
Bell 3-4, Barham 2-4.

Pangos 1-7, rest of team 6-12 combined. So it really comes down to an off night for Pangos. And at least a couple of his were badly off line, which to me suggests something mechanical. I'd bet it's corrected tomorrow.

So, what you're trying to say is that I can't tell the difference between "the team" and "Kevin"?:D

Although, (wanna see deflection?) if we take out Bell, the "team"(with Kevin) shots 4-15 from 3.

But, yes, when Kevin is not hitting, it does seem like the entire team is struggling from outside. It will be nice if Gary hits like he did during his frosh year (50%).

maynard g krebs
11-10-2013, 05:28 PM
So, what you're trying to say is that I can't tell the difference between "the team" and "Kevin"?:D

Although, (wanna see deflection?) if we take out Bell, the "team"(with Kevin) shots 4-15 from 3.

But, yes, when Kevin is not hitting, it does seem like the entire team is struggling from outside. It will be nice if Gary hits like he did during his frosh year (50%).

Was responding to the phrase "no one was hitting", that's all.

Baseline
11-10-2013, 06:43 PM
GU 88
CSU 84

I'm not going to panic yet, but I sure saw a lot of things that bothered me. If the score is close to what I posted then I think it will be a very tough year. I'm hoping things look way different Monday and its off to the races.

DixieZag
11-10-2013, 07:24 PM
Was responding to the phrase "no one was hitting", that's all.

I was kidding. I was embarrassed that I said "no one was hitting' while my favorite guy was 3/4 - that's really embarrassing.

I think there is something to the notion that we rely so much on Kevin's strong outside shooting that if he has an off night it can make it seem like the team is, also.

BTW - - I didn't know the history of the "6th" man and that it went to Red and Havilcek. Was Havilcek and lanky guard?

titopoet
11-10-2013, 07:51 PM
I think we will continue to see more drives to the basket. Gu will soot 25-30 free throws and they hit 100 again!



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Hoopaholic
11-10-2013, 07:58 PM
Pango shots being off I felt were due him getting used to the 2 slot role and the locations on the floor from which he found himself shooting were newer spots out of the ordinary...many were deeper toward baseline wing shots versus his normal three ball shots being wing upward to top of key......will take few games to dial in the new role

Zagdawg
11-10-2013, 08:03 PM
Watching him shoot during the 3pt competition --he hit all over the floor---newer spots--not so much---I'm going to go with "he had an off night shooting the three".

He will be fine.


Go Zags

zagamatic
11-10-2013, 08:22 PM
What do I "want" to see? I want to see a nasty nasty dunk by Shem so he deserves the nickname Shemnasty! Preferably a dunk that breaks some part of the hoop. Is that too much to ask? :pray:

2wiceright
11-10-2013, 10:41 PM
Actually if an "off night" for Kevin is no turnovers, 5 assists, a steal, and two brds., as well as shooting 42% overall for 14 points, then I hope he has more off nights and just hits a few threes! :drool:

gozagswoohoo
11-11-2013, 05:21 AM
More minutes from Karno - better shooting from 3 for KP. I think we win by 20.

Same

LongIslandZagFan
11-11-2013, 06:32 AM
Rams - 138
Zaggies - 40


Doomed!

Mr Vulture
11-11-2013, 08:42 AM
If you take out Gary Bell from the equation, which is a bit weird since he's part of the team, and you take out Pangos going 1-7 you still have the rest of the team 3-8 or 37.5% which isn't bad.


So, what you're trying to say is that I can't tell the difference between "the team" and "Kevin"?:D

Although, (wanna see deflection?) if we take out Bell, the "team"(with Kevin) shots 4-15 from 3.

But, yes, when Kevin is not hitting, it does seem like the entire team is struggling from outside. It will be nice if Gary hits like he did during his frosh year (50%).

TacomaZAG
11-11-2013, 09:56 AM
I hope to see Kevin back at the point, where he belongs. As Hoopaholic correctly stated (IMHO), much of Kevin's struggles stem from the fact that he played the 2 most of the night against Bryant. He is a PURE PG and needs the ball in his hands, as does the team. Kevin at the point, Gary at the 2, Coleman at the 3, with Stocks backing up Kevin for about 5 minutes a game, maybe a little Coleman at the 2 to give Gary a short rest, with some Draino and Barham mixed in at the 3 and even 4 when we go small.

I also hope to see Kevin, Gary, and Coleman get some quality minutes together, so they can start getting comfortable with each other.

Go ZAGS

Zagdawg
11-11-2013, 10:13 AM
Hoping to see whoever on the floor who is ready and who has earned the playing time.

No injuries.

I'll take Kevins "struggles" -- scoring 2.1 pts more than last years average and 1.7 assists above last years average in the first game of the year-- he drops a couple of those open threes and he is way above his scoring average from last year.

Too many people trying to make Kevins poor 3 pt shooting performance about Stockton being on the floor-- we've seen Kevin go cold shooting the 3 in the past and it will happen again--but Stockton did not cause it. (Edi started the game at the 3 at home last year against Oklahoma where Kevin went 1-6-- was it Edis fault Kevin had an off night?)


Go Zags.

Goshzagit
11-11-2013, 10:15 AM
I hope to see Kevin back at the point, where he belongs. As Hoopaholic correctly stated (IMHO), much of Kevin's struggles stem from the fact that he played the 2 most of the night against Bryant. He is a PURE PG and needs the ball in his hands, as does the team. Kevin at the point, Gary at the 2, Coleman at the 3, with Stocks backing up Kevin for about 5 minutes a game, maybe a little Coleman at the 2 to give Gary a short rest, with some Draino and Barham mixed in at the 3 and even 4 when we go small.

I also hope to see Kevin, Gary, and Coleman get some quality minutes together, so they can start getting comfortable with each other.

Go ZAGS

I Liked It.

I honestly don't mind Stocks starting the game to help set the tempo, get everyone in position, spread the court, get the ball moving etc; however, 1.) Don't take time away from Pangos at PG and 2.) Swap Stocks' MPG (26) with Coleman's (15). Coleman should be rec the 25+ mins, while Stocks sub-15 mins.

We need to start thinking about the long-term goals of this team. I'm fine with Coleman coming off the bench as 6th man, but if we realistically expect to compete with Top-25 teams, c'mon man, we need a scoring/slashing wing, rebounder, and defender. We FINALLY have one, its been years, so utilize him as much as possible.

Again, what are we thinking pulling Pangos away from PG? Is it to get Stocks more mins on the court? I watched Kevin spend more time Coaching from the 2-guard position than with the ball in his hands. I have no issues with Kevin coming off screens and mining shots from the 2 hole, yet c'mon man, Pangos be our PG. As the ol' saying goes, if it ain't broke...

And quite frankly, our munchkin guard lineup was the only lineup WCC teams competed well against. Yes, it was Coach Few's comfort lineup and he continually states, "those 3 have played in big games", yet it was also that lineup that cost us Butler game and gave up many double-digit leads when we played Stocks, Pangos, Bell for lengthy minutes last season. Considering we held the lead in nearly 95% of games, its understandable they logged mins to help "control" and/or manage the game in hand, yet it never extended any of those leads and didn't do us any favors besides help maintaining a lead or if the game was close at the end of halves.

Ball-handlers, yes, yet certainly hasn't been our most effective backcourt vs better teams. Hasn't been for 2 years, why now?

I like playing more Dranginis and definitely more Coleman with Pangos and Bell. Stocks is a back-up PG and should be used as such, imho.

RRZagFan
11-11-2013, 10:15 AM
I'm hoping for the zags to light it up from outside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmZMGDQLehU

At least 10 3's for them,another double/double for Dower Jr,Karnowski playing more without picking up fouls,and for Coleman to hit jump shot.I do love seeing him going to the hoop,but we need to see him hit some jumpers and get the other team guessing on what he'll do next ,when he has ball.

Gonzaga 84
CSU 77

Kiddwell
11-11-2013, 10:30 AM
America's Team - 87
Coors Light - 66

:]

Zagdawg
11-11-2013, 10:32 AM
"We want Wendys!!!!"


Go Zags!!

ZaGranny
11-11-2013, 10:38 AM
"We want Wendys!!!!"


Go Zags!!


Sad to say, it isn't Wendy's this year--it's Wake-Up Call Coffee. I can't get too excited about that.

ZaGranny

Zagdawg
11-11-2013, 10:45 AM
That might be a tough one for the students to chant-- I guess -- "We want coffee".....? ......maybe

TheGonzagaFactor
11-11-2013, 10:52 AM
Hoping to see whoever on the floor who is ready and who has earned the playing time.

No injuries.

I'll take Kevins "struggles" -- scoring 2.1 pts more than last years average and 1.7 assists above last years average in the first game of the year-- he drops a couple of those open threes and he is way above his scoring average from last year.

Too many people trying to make Kevins poor 3 pt shooting performance about Stockton being on the floor-- we've seen Kevin go cold shooting the 3 in the past and it will happen again--but Stockton did not cause it. (Edi started the game at the 3 at home last year against Oklahoma where Kevin went 1-6-- was it Edis fault Kevin had an off night?)


Go Zags.

Edi did not start at PG vs Oklahoma.

Also, we played Oklahoma in Florida, not at home.

People are making it about Pangos getting used to a new role, not about Stockton being in the game.

Zagdawg
11-11-2013, 11:06 AM
So your saying that Kevin started at the point and still went 1-6 during the Oklahoma game-- was he getting used to a new position during that game also?

I'm saying Kevin had an off night shooting the three during the 1st game-- regardless of who is playing the point.

We will see what happens at tonights game--- hopefully Kevin has a better night shooting the 3 than he did on Saturday regardless of which of our guards start.

Go Zags

kitzbuel
11-11-2013, 11:54 AM
It is my suspicion that Francis will not not show up at this game against the Rams.

However, it is my hope that Dower has as dominant a game as he had against Bryant. That would solidify his stature as the go to guy for GU.

Oregonzagnut
11-11-2013, 12:14 PM
Statistically, CSU was very good in their first game against exhibition Div 2 opponent. We will need to have Dower and Karno score consistently. Colorado St has a strong fundamental team who shares the ball and is patient. They are not big and they only have 1 guy (Holt) taller than 6'9" and 2 guys at 6-7". So I can see Few starting small and trying to play small during this game. I think Stockton may start again even though I do not agree with it. Few knows best.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/36/colorado-state-rams

Reborn
11-11-2013, 01:30 PM
Just a few more hours. I can hardly wait. I'd just like to see more then what we saw Saturday. More Karnowski, and more Coleman. I liked our bench Saturday alot. Keep up the great play. I really hope Kevin's shooting is much better. We will need him more tonight then we did Saturday.

cjm720
11-11-2013, 02:11 PM
What I'm hoping to see: a win, big dunks and lots of threes...pump the crowd up and create some excitement.

I'm actually out of town and haven't watched the game yet, but pretty much the same board comments as every year after game 1.

1) Why's Stocks playing so much? and 2) what is Few thinking with his rotations?

I can't wait to see Coleman play and likely would agree he should see the floor more than Stocks, but they're different players. Stocks has the trust of Few and basically is another coach out there. Some people just have a problem with him because of his size...what did he do against Michigan State last year (or was it the prior year)? Dude's a baller and wins games.

Few always tinkers with the rotation until conference play. This will likely happen more this year due to our thin front court, likely foul issues, and overall depth at the 3.

Good luck tonight, Zags!!!

DixieZag
11-11-2013, 02:25 PM
Statistically, CSU was very good in their first game against exhibition Div 2 opponent. We will need to have Dower and Karno score consistently. Colorado St has a strong fundamental team who shares the ball and is patient. They are not big and they only have 1 guy (Holt) taller than 6'9" and 2 guys at 6-7". So I can see Few starting small and trying to play small during this game. I think Stockton may start again even though I do not agree with it. Few knows best.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/36/colorado-state-rams

And they were extremely bad against their NAIA exhibition.

This CSU team - though I am sure they are tough/physical (all Eustacy teams are) - they are what ESPN called "the epitome of a rebuilding team." We should beat them but if we don't, I think that probably tells us that so are we.

Bushman
11-11-2013, 03:18 PM
Gonzaga 70
Colorado 55

If we start Coleman and bring Stockton off the bench we will be in better shape. Our future may depend on Coleman getting to know his role and being comfortable with the others. If he learns to take the odd 3 or drive and dish he will be more effective. Kevin will continue his steady game and will shoot better from the arc. Gary seems healthy again and the bigs can only get better with more play. PK has to show he is smart enough to avoid fouling, he has a target on him. I would like to see drew get more time as well.

Go ZAGS!

maynard g krebs
11-11-2013, 03:19 PM
It is my suspicion that Francis will not not show up at this game against the Rams.



Francis would show up v any species; lions, tigers, bears. It's just that he's hard at work clearing brush on my property. It's a good deal; avoids use of power equipment/herbicides, and he'll accept porn and Doritos as compensation.

Good deal for Woohoo, too- while Francis is away he has a few days where he doesn't have to fear for his personal safety.

Oh, yeah- Zags 86, CSU 73.

Reborn
11-11-2013, 03:36 PM
I can't wait to see Coleman play

You will enjoy his game. He's 6'4" skinny, with long, spidery arms. He is much better on defense as anyone has said yet. He had 4 steals all by helping out in the middle with those long arms. I like his D alot. He is a penetartor. Can go to the rib or kick it out to outside shooter. He should have had more assists if Pangos had been on from the outside. Few needs to play him more for sure.

DixieZag
11-11-2013, 03:53 PM
You will enjoy his game. He's 6'4" skinny, with long, spidery arms. He is much better on defense as anyone has said yet. He had 4 steals all by helping out in the middle with those long arms. I like his D alot. He is a penetartor. Can go to the rib or kick it out to outside shooter. He should have had more assists if Pangos had been on from the outside. Few needs to play him more for sure.

Good observation. He certainly looks to use his quickness to make the steal and fly on the fast break. I really noticed his ball hounding in the mid court. That is good stuff.

Oregonzagnut
11-11-2013, 05:23 PM
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This CSU team - though I am sure they are tough/physical (all Eustacy teams are) - they are what ESPN called "the epitome of a rebuilding team." We should beat them but if we don't, I think that probably tells us that so are we.

I agree. But the lowly Celtics just beat Miami at Miami, so I can't explain the small % of doubt I still have.