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Angelo Roncalli
11-08-2013, 01:04 PM
Ryan will miss this weekend's games. Recovering from tonsil surgery. Barham may play, however.

primal23
11-08-2013, 01:05 PM
Hope he's ok, and heals fine.

gozagswoohoo
11-08-2013, 01:07 PM
Get better Redward!

Zagdawg
11-08-2013, 01:08 PM
Ice cream and jello -- if i recall correctly. Stay away from the doritos (my brother in law had a bad experience after having his tonsils out).

;)

GoZags!

TravelinZag
11-08-2013, 01:21 PM
How far down the line do the Zags get before they have an opponent that could exploit their lack of depth in the front court? Long enough for Edwards return, I hope. Karno & Sam will need a breather here and there.

Reborn
11-08-2013, 01:24 PM
Meikel may not redshirt afterall. I think we will need him.

sittingon50
11-08-2013, 01:28 PM
Well, Zags have Colorado St. on Monday.......

It would really suck if they were planning to redshirt Meikle & had to burn it because of someone elses tonsils.

Angelo Roncalli
11-08-2013, 01:42 PM
Meikel may not redshirt afterall. I think we will need him.

I don't think Few pulls the shirt because of one game. Colorado State doesn't have much height, and what height they do have has very little D-1 experience. I would expect to see lots of 3 guard and 4 guard offense. With the news that Barham is recovering, he will likely get more minutes at the 4 against CSU.

BTW, noticed that one of CSU's assistants is former Idaho head coach Leonard Perry. Idaho fans who complain about no longer playing GU can look to Leonard Perry. He cancelled a long term (6 years?) home and home series that GU proposed to UI back about 2004 or 2005. Thought his guys would get pounded too hard.

kitzbuel
11-08-2013, 01:47 PM
Well, Zags have Colorado St. on Monday.......

It would really suck if they were planning to redshirt Meikle & had to burn it because of someone elses tonsils.

I'm betting we don't burn a shirt for CSU.

ZagaZags
11-08-2013, 01:54 PM
I was really looking forward to watching Edwards again. He exceeded my expectations in the exhibition game.

exclusivelee
11-08-2013, 01:56 PM
From whom/where are you hearing that Meikle will indeed redshirt?

sittingon50
11-08-2013, 02:00 PM
Educated guess is all, ex. No info.

hooter73
11-08-2013, 02:34 PM
lots of 4 guard for this game will be fun to watch. GU will be running and gunning, Bryant will be trying to keep up.

Heres to a quick recovery for Ryan.

cggonzaga
11-08-2013, 02:37 PM
I was really looking forward to watching Edwards again. He exceeded my expectations in the exhibition game.

Agreed. Way better than I thought he'd be.

NotoriousZ
11-08-2013, 02:58 PM
Great chance to play some small ball.

Run and Gun!

Zippyzaggy
11-08-2013, 03:17 PM
Great chance to play some small ball.

Run and Gun!

Hoping Pangos can get a re-do of the WSU game going. Popping threes from the parking lot!

DixieZag
11-08-2013, 03:17 PM
I don't think Few pulls the shirt because of one game. Colorado State doesn't have much height, and what height they do have has very little D-1 experience. I would expect to see lots of 3 guard and 4 guard offense. With the news that Barham is recovering, he will likely get more minutes at the 4 against CSU.

BTW, noticed that one of CSU's assistants is former Idaho head coach Leonard Perry. Idaho fans who complain about no longer playing GU can look to Leonard Perry. He cancelled a long term (6 years?) home and home series that GU proposed to UI back about 2004 or 2005. Thought his guys would get pounded too hard.

And now coached by former UI coach Larry Eustachy.

Larry's travails are well known - but, having actually met him down south, he is a great guy who turned his life around. Everyone who believes in getting off your feet and working to better yourself rather than giving up, should look into his story.

Oregonzagnut
11-08-2013, 03:57 PM
Edwards has gotta be as angry as a 7 ft Montanan can be.

Radbooks
11-08-2013, 04:00 PM
Can they still redshirt Meikle? He played against Simon Frazier and I thought once you played in the exhibition game you couldn't redshirt?

exclusivelee
11-08-2013, 04:08 PM
Can they still redshirt Meikle? He played against Simon Frazier and I thought once you played in the exhibition game you couldn't redshirt?

Sam Dower played in the exhibition game against Alberta in 2009 and then redshirted that season

soccerdud
11-08-2013, 04:51 PM
first-year players can redshirt after playing an exhibition game. once you have used a season of eligibility, you cannot.

Reborn
11-09-2013, 08:17 AM
I don't think Few pulls the shirt because of one game. Colorado State doesn't have much height, and what height they do have has very little D-1 experience. I would expect to see lots of 3 guard and 4 guard offense. With the news that Barham is recovering, he will likely get more minutes at the 4 against CSU.

BTW, noticed that one of CSU's assistants is former Idaho head coach Leonard Perry. Idaho fans who complain about no longer playing GU can look to Leonard Perry. He cancelled a long term (6 years?) home and home series that GU proposed to UI back about 2004 or 2005. Thought his guys would get pounded too hard.

Did you see where Colorado St won by 30 last night, and scored 99 points?

primal23
11-09-2013, 09:08 AM
But look at who they played. It was basically an exhibition that counted. If GU looks bad in the post or runs into big foul trouble today I will worry about needing Meilke (sp?) after.

Oregonzagnut
11-09-2013, 09:37 AM
If Southern U can give us a run or our money, then Colorado St can. If Bryant gives us a run for our money then we will need to seriously re-consider any redshirting talk. Bryant is no "exhibition" game. Bryant was a decent middle-of-the-road RPI strength team last year. This year they are better.

Expect every team to play their best against us. It is not just the WCC foes who step up, but ALL our opponents seem to rise to a higher level.

btzag
11-09-2013, 10:36 AM
The 'Meikle' decision will be one of the top things I will be looking for tonight. Especially with Edwards out we will know redshirt or no-redshirt for sure tonight.

ZagsGoZags
11-09-2013, 12:17 PM
Soccerdud said:

"first-year players can redshirt after playing an exhibition game. once you have used a season of eligibility, you cannot."

thanks for the clarification

sittingon50
11-09-2013, 09:37 PM
No RS for Luke.

DixieZag
11-09-2013, 10:42 PM
No RS for Luke.

I wonder what the reasoning is? The last thing I am trying to do is to start a controversy or sound like some know it all, but - well, I wonder what the reasoning is.

Is it that he feels we are so weak/thin for bigs that we have to come in waves? Or is it that he just doesn't know who might step up behind Dower/Karno so he is going to keep both Edwards/Meikle available for every game hoping that they come along? Planning on offering one or both a redshirt next year?

Just wonder. . .

2wiceright
11-09-2013, 11:16 PM
Beings this is a thread about Edwards, does anyone know how long he is expected to be out from his tonsil surgery? Abe or any other doc have an educated guess????

exclusivelee
11-09-2013, 11:47 PM
Beings this is a thread about Edwards, does anyone know how long he is expected to be out from his tonsil surgery? Abe or any other doc have an educated guess????

Meehan said that Edwards should only miss the first 2 games

http://spokesman.com/blogs/sportslink/2013/nov/08/bulldogs-open-against-bryant-university/

mgadfly
11-10-2013, 03:05 AM
I read an article the other day where coaches were saying they might not red shirt their FIFTH big man because of the block/charge rule change this season. It wasn't Mark Few, but perhaps the super secret scrimmages where the new rules were enforced made (1) the staff think depth inside is going to be more important than previously thought and (2) Meikle think he might get more minutes than previously planned due to foul trouble.

But who knows.

2wiceright
11-10-2013, 01:38 PM
Meehan said that Edwards should only miss the first 2 games

http://spokesman.com/blogs/sportslink/2013/nov/08/bulldogs-open-against-bryant-university/

Thanks Exclusivelee! Now we just need to our guards to be hot tomorrow night and hopefully our bigs will play smart on the 'not fouling problem' - especially Shem. I'm so excited to see how Sam does (I think last night was no fluke and we'll see lots of double-doubles from him this season). And hopefully Edwards will progress and continue to impress from what most of us thought of him being a project.....It's only normal for him to catch on to Div. 1 speed, but I'm excited! :cool:

3zagda
11-11-2013, 10:16 AM
I posed the question to an ENT specialist friend of mine. He thought Edwards would likely miss 2 weeks, and not have his full energy back for close to a month.

Goshzagit
11-11-2013, 10:46 AM
If we hope(and pray?) to have Edwards play serviceable mins this season, he really REALLY needs these early games to help gain confidence, conditioning, and most importantly, experience.

Pretty soon, it'll be the Maui Invitational, Top-25 teams, and he'll be left in the dust, so to speak, with no chance to "warm up" to playing under the lights and/or any chance to "bring him along".

He needs minutes in a big way, literally.

Unless it was an abscess that wasn't healing or a chronic infection, tonsil [removal] surgery can generally be delayed to a patient's choosing (offseason or xmas break?). Hate to presume anything, yet must admit, this type of procedure was odd timing, no?

exclusivelee
11-11-2013, 07:32 PM
the ESPN announcers said that Zags will need Meikle especially in the first month or so of the season with Edwards getting his tonsils removed. They dont know the timetable for his return

MedZag
11-11-2013, 07:40 PM
I posed the question to an ENT specialist friend of mine. He thought Edwards would likely miss 2 weeks, and not have his full energy back for close to a month.

I'd say 2 weeks out is a pretty good estimate. As far as when energy returning, recovery after adult tonsillectomy is much more variable than children in my experience. Some people have prolonged pain for two or more weeks. Some bounce back to normal within 5-7 days. Some have prolonged difficulties with swallowing, fatigue, mucous, etc... some don't. Basically, I tell my patients some people are lucky but we have no way of predicting how lucky you'll be. There are certain... predictors for people who are going to have a tough go of it, but a 18/19 year old athlete doesn't have those risk factors :)

In general I restrict my patients from strenuous activity for 1 week. Past the 1 week mark the risk of post-tonsillectomy hemorrhage decreases significantly (though I've seen it as far out as 12 days after surgery). That's pretty standard practice. Most people take a week or two to really ramp up the activity though.


Unless it was an abscess that wasn't healing or a chronic infection, tonsil [removal] surgery can generally be delayed to a patient's choosing (offseason or xmas break?). Hate to presume anything, yet must admit, this type of procedure was odd timing, no?

There's very few situations we do an urgent or emergent tonsillectomy anymore. Even with peritonsillar abscess the standard of treatment is needle aspiration and antibiotics. I agree it's a little odd but no use conjecturing.

JPtheBeasta
11-11-2013, 09:27 PM
Unless it was an abscess that wasn't healing or a chronic infection, tonsil [removal] surgery can generally be delayed to a patient's choosing (offseason or xmas break?). Hate to presume anything, yet must admit, this type of procedure was odd timing, no?

His roommate couldn't handle all of the snoring? ;]

jazzdelmar
11-12-2013, 03:31 AM
I'd say 2 weeks out is a pretty good estimate. As far as when energy returning, recovery after adult tonsillectomy is much more variable than children in my experience. Some people have prolonged pain for two or more weeks. Some bounce back to normal within 5-7 days. Some have prolonged difficulties with swallowing, fatigue, mucous, etc... some don't. Basically, I tell my patients some people are lucky but we have no way of predicting how lucky you'll be. There are certain... predictors for people who are going to have a tough go of it, but a 18/19 year old athlete doesn't have those risk factors :)

In general I restrict my patients from strenuous activity for 1 week. Past the 1 week mark the risk of post-tonsillectomy hemorrhage decreases significantly (though I've seen it as far out as 12 days after surgery). That's pretty standard practice. Most people take a week or two to really ramp up the activity though.



There's very few situations we do an urgent or emergent tonsillectomy anymore. Even with peritonsillar abscess the standard of treatment is needle aspiration and antibiotics. I agree it's a little odd but no use conjecturing.



Thanks Med. Just hope the young man heals completely. Hoops can wait.

basketballzag
11-12-2013, 05:49 AM
Edwards and Nunez will add the necessary front court help this team needs.