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cair3
04-06-2013, 02:35 PM
Serious question: from the University's perspective (not just Men's hoops), is it a good idea to support all the teams GU currently supports? Assuming moving out of the WCC would be good for GU (I have serious doubts), should the complications from finding a home for sports like cross-country hold GU back?

Going further, even if GU stays in the WCC, should funds currently supporting some of these sports be diverted elsewhere? I think each sport should be evaluated on the costs and benefits it provides to the university as a whole.

Benefits:
1) Increase awareness of GU.
2) Help foster a sense of community at GU. Sporting events provide a source of common interest and "something to do". Sports help maintain ties with local community and alumni.
3) Attract desirable students. Athletes may only choose GU because of the sport. Many of these athletes are smart, outgoing, ambitious, and leaders. They also drastically increase the attractiveness of the student body (e.g. women's soccer). Good sports should help attract a larger/better pool of non-athlete applicants. Most likely GU hoops is the only sport that could really help in attracting non-athletes.
4) Attract/retain desirable faculty. It raises the prestige of a school. It gives you something extra to consider when deciding between two jobs. It makes a college town/small city a better place to live (something to do factor again), so faculty might be less likely to leave once they arrive at GU.

Cons:
1) Divert resources from other more valuable alternatives
2) Keep GU hoops tied to a conference that may not provide the most value

IMO, the only sports at GU that are worth officially supporting are:
1) Hoops M/W (winter sport)
2) Soccer M/W (fall sport)
3) Baseball (spring sport) and it comes with volleyball for Title 9 purposes.
4) Tennis (maybe).

All the other sports at GU could be club sports (e.g., GU hockey and Lacross). All the other sports do not really draw much interest from students or the community (at least when I went to GU). It is "nice" they exist, but they really only improve the experience of the participants (and those that are happy the participants came to GU rather than another school that supports the sport). "Student-athletes" who care about the "student" dimension more than the "athlete" dimension are actually the regular students who play on club teams, the intramural sports, and exercise in between school and work.

MBAGael
04-06-2013, 02:39 PM
I think i read that a college must have at least 12 teams in various sports to be in the NCAA.

hondo
04-06-2013, 02:42 PM
In order to stay a D1 team the NCAA has rules as to the number of teams a school must keep.

MTZag03
04-06-2013, 02:45 PM
My experience on the track/cross country team:

No scholarships. The only benefit we received was one free pair of shoes per year. We were also given a stipend for food as well as hotels for the meets where we stayed overnight. We travelled by bus. The track team at least in my day was only distance runners, so we couldn't possibly compete in another conference as we wouldn't field a team.

Total costs to GU are minimal. I'm sure the dance teams probably cost about the same.

Hoopaholic
04-06-2013, 03:40 PM
Crew may disagree with your position. Or at least three family members who were on the crew teams:roll:

gamagin
04-06-2013, 03:45 PM
My experience on the track/cross country team:

No scholarships. The only benefit we received was one free pair of shoes per year. We were also given a stipend for food as well as hotels for the meets where we stayed overnight. We travelled by bus. The track team at least in my day was only distance runners, so we couldn't possibly compete in another conference as we wouldn't field a team.

Total costs to GU are minimal. I'm sure the dance teams probably cost about the same.

you can't pack multiple lunches and pay for, say, the cost of one of those shoes ? Y'all are all light and skinny enough so you could sleep on the bus. Or ten to a room. The front desk at the Motel 6 wouldn't notice.

C'Mon, jet fuel is expensive . . .

Angelo Roncalli
04-06-2013, 04:55 PM
The issue raised in the OP is a non-issue. Under NCAA rules, a D-1 school must field at least 7 sports for men and 7 for women (or eight for women and six for men). This must include two sports for both men and women. Moreover, every separate college season (fall, winter, spring) has to be represented by sports for both genders.

ZagLawGrad
04-06-2013, 05:08 PM
The issue raised in the OP is a non-issue. Under NCAA rules, a D-1 school must field at least 7 sports for men and 7 for women (or eight for women and six for men). This must include two sports for both men and women. Moreover, every separate college season (fall, winter, spring) has to be represented by sports for both genders.

Do they have to be in the same quality of league?

Zag 77
04-06-2013, 05:13 PM
NCAA Division I Sports
Number of required sports: Division I members must offer at least 14 sports (at least seven for men and seven for women, or six for men and eight for women). The institution must sponsor at least two team sports (for example, football, basketball or volleyball) for each gender. The school also must have participating male and female teams or participants in the fall, winter and spring seasons.

Scheduling: Each Division I program must play a minimum number of contests against Division I opponents. The minimums vary by sport.


* Division I members may not classify any of their sports in other divisions.

http://kaarme.com/college_sports_data_center/NCAA_Basics


By the way, Big Sky does not offer baseball, mens soccer, Mens Golf or M/W Rowing.

Mountain West only has about 2/3 of their schools offereing baseball, and it is crap. Does not offer M/W Rowing. About half the schools have Mens tennis.


Western Athletic Conference offers baseball, but it is crap. No Mens soccer, no soccer and no rowing.


Keep in mind that GU has just spent a $hitload of money to build a baseball facility capable of hosting NCAA Regionals and a $hitload of money to build the soccer facility.


:horse:

Oregonzagnut
04-06-2013, 06:49 PM
The entire school supports all the "curriculum". IMO, if Gonzaga wants to offer sports within the NCAA guidelines, as opposed to "club" sports, then the basketball program will help support crew just as much as it does art or music classes.

Apples and oranges yes, but all our athletics have stepped up a notch since 1999.

ZagLawGrad
04-06-2013, 07:12 PM
Anyone know the recent baseball home attendance stats for GU?

cair3
04-07-2013, 09:12 AM
Considering the 14 team NCAA requirement and the WCC's strengths in some of these other sports (e.g., soccer & volleyball), the WCC probably remains GU's best option. The good news is GU hoops will not slide back to the middle of the pack as long as they stay in the WCC. BYU is here and there will be at least one other good opponent each year (BYU has a great recruiting class). If the rest of the league ever improves, GU will benefit from coverage by lots of desirable media markets. I'm not concerned with St. Mary's falling off. I think Santa Clara and USD are in the great long term positions to develop strong programs. They have decent facilities, great locations, strong alumni bases, and better academics. I think BYU and GU will raise these other teams up. There is no reason the WCC can not quickly become as strong as the A10 or MVC and in 50 years it might challenge the "new" catholic 7 big east. If George Mason, Wich St, VCU, and Butler make the FF then so can GU and so could any other WCC team. I'd rather GU hoops be consistently good by living in the WCC than take a big risk trying to taste greatness by jumping ship.

kitzbuel
04-07-2013, 09:17 AM
If George Mason, Wich St, VCU, and Butler make the FF then so can GU and so could any other WCC team. I'd rather GU hoops be consistently good by living in the WCC than take a big risk trying to taste greatness by jumping ship.

It is worth noting that except for WSU, which has just newly joined this club, all of these teams have jumped conferences to improve their recruiting profile.