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hooter73
03-19-2013, 01:48 PM
No #1 has ever lost to a #16, and yet:


No. 1 seed Gonzaga 12-1: The Zags shouldn't be a No. 1 seed, considering whom they play in the regular season. Not to take anything from Mark Few's Bulldogs, they're not afraid to play anybody teams just don't want to schedule Gonzaga or travel to Spokane, Wash., in the regular season. But honestly, the Zags could be the first No. 1 seed to lose its NCAA tourney opener.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/future-odds-ncaa-tournament-sucker-bets-notre-dame-100-1-031813

Crazy
03-19-2013, 01:51 PM
there are 3 different could be in this season alone ;)

GodZaga76
03-19-2013, 01:54 PM
Of course we could and so could all the other number 1 seeds. Just find it funny if you look at the other 1s and 2s there the ones that have lost to teams that would be a 16 seed or worse if they went past 16.

Once and Future Zag
03-19-2013, 01:55 PM
It's a fricking bummer, this should be a great time to feel good about the achievements of this team, and the GU community in general.

And everyone seems to be intent on pissing on our parade.

From the talking heads on TV, to the festering miasma of DonsCentral.

It's hard to go anywhere online without seeing GU getting dumped on.

RenoZag
03-19-2013, 01:55 PM
Ah, yes. . .an unimpeachable source of sports wisdom. . .Fox. . .they didn't even have the courage to put "rugbygael"'s by-line on that story.

MDABE80
03-19-2013, 01:56 PM
Makes one wonder why our odds of winning the championship are up to 12-1 by Vegas ..... Doesn't it?

NumberCruncher
03-19-2013, 01:59 PM
Looked up "blather" in the dictionary and found this article. First, it says that tourney futures bets are for suckers, then it recommends some 100-1 picks.

NEC26
03-19-2013, 02:00 PM
The idea that because we aren't worthy in their eyes to be a 1 seed somehow equates to a loss in the opening round is pretty flawed and a little petty. First of all they claim we played an easy schedule and just cruised to all those wins but if we have shown throughout the year that those teams can't beat us why would you then claim that makes us vulnerable to upset? Doesn't make any logical sense and speaks of sour grapes.
I would like for anyone to actually make that prediction and then back it up with a cash bet because no one would ever do it.
The only team I could see making an early exit would be Miami as they have shown themselves to be vulnerable to some lousy teams this year.

GoGU
03-19-2013, 02:01 PM
No. 1 seed Gonzaga 12-1: The Zags shouldn't be a No. 1 seed, considering whom they play in the regular season. Not to take anything from Mark Few's Bulldogs, they're not afraid to play anybody teams just don't want to schedule Gonzaga or travel to Spokane, Wash., in the regular season. But honestly, the Zags could be the first No. 1 seed to lose its NCAA tourney opener.

I've taken the liberty of underlining the parts of that statement that I disagree with completely. I hope that writer loses their job.

mgadfly
03-19-2013, 02:06 PM
I made the mistake of watching some cbssports channel special with Jon Rothstein and Steve Lappas among others... Rothstein first does a rant about how the Zags aren't prepared to play quality teams they will see in the tourney (I mean there are no other good teams in the WCC and the last time they played anybody any good was "December"). Lappas jumps on the bandwagon about how GU isn't ready for the speed and athleticism/skill of the good teams.

Then Rothstein says it is a shame GU was paired with Southern because if it would have been paired with a physical 16 seed like such and such, it would be the first time a 16 seed would defeat a 1 seed.


But I don't get it. By their logic we aren't prepared to play top talent teams (high seed squads from major conferences). Following that logic, since we have spent all of our time beating up on 16-seed type teams shouldn't we be the MOST prepared team in the tournament to take on the likes of a 16 seed?

mgadfly
03-19-2013, 02:07 PM
NEC beat me to it.

ZagaZags
03-19-2013, 02:17 PM
Zags 117 Southern 72

AK457
03-19-2013, 02:20 PM
I think you gotta take these articles with a huge grain of salt. Remember that they are writing to entertain. Before we were a top ranked team, it was cool to pick us as a FF team because that was interesting. Now, it's not interesting to say a No. 1 seed will make it to the FF, so we'll see less "support" in the media.

SEC also beat me to it... GU is 30-0 against unranked competition. Another way to say that is that GU has the best record in the country against lower level competition, which suggests it is the most likely 1 seed to win its first round game, considering that the other 1 seeds have bad losses. Looking at the team qualitatively (i.e., the eye test), GU has been very consistent this year. The haven't laid an egg and their "bad" games have resulted in 15+ point wins.

The concept that GU hasn't played anyone and is therefore undeserving of the 1 seed is a bit of a catch-22. GU wins all of their games and they aren't any good because their competition is bad; lose any games and GU is bad because their competition is bad. GU is in a seeding system where wins count for less and losses count more heavily. Lose one game to a bottom 7 WCC team and lose 1 or 2 seeds. That's the system and it's well balanced with teams in power conferences where losses count for less and wins count for more.

One more thing, I haven't seen a single article mention that GU draws its strength from being greater than the sum of its parts. The media loves to focus on individuals from teams to assess the strength of those teams. The skill sets that GU has at each of its positions allow it to beat people in many different ways. If they have any weaknesses, GU is therefore able to exploit them.

JPtheBeasta
03-19-2013, 02:21 PM
The naysaying has to motivate the Zags. Yet again they get to try to shock the basketball world, it seems. This time, though, it is a 500lb gorilla wearing the glass slippers, and it doesn't have to go rushing home when the clock strikes twelve.

These guys obviously haven't seen how the WCC had decided to play the Zags this year, which was extremely physically. KO and Elias, night after night, faced guys who weren't in there to score and could focus primarily on pushing, grabbing, and generally trying to get under their skin. These same talking heads obviously didn't seen the BYU game, with Stockton, Pangos and Hart flying around and being pushed out of bounds on rebounds and such. We have the advantage against just about EVERY front court in the nation because of our size and depth.

It's borderline ridiculous at this point. It's fine to have an opinion that is not flattering of the Zags, but please base it off of more than just a 5-minute perusal of a stat sheet.

77Zag
03-19-2013, 02:24 PM
Makes one wonder why our odds of winning the championship is up to 12-1 by Vegas ..... Doesn't it?

Just prior to WCC Tournament, we were at 5-1 to win the whole show. The best odds on the sheet at the MGM Sportsbook.

The only thing Fox Sports has going is the NFC of the NFL and Erin Andrews.

Go Zags - Beat Southern!!

TexasZagFan
03-19-2013, 02:29 PM
The naysaying has to motivate the Zags. Yet again they get try to shock the basketball world, it seems. This time, though, it is a 500lb gorilla wearing the glass slippers, and it doesn't have to go rushing home when the clock strikes twelve.

These guys obviously haven't seen how the WCC had decided to play the Zags this year, which was extremely physically. KO and Elias, night after night, faced guys who weren't in there to score and could focus primarily on pushing, grabbing, and generally trying to get under their skin. These same talking heads obviously didn't seen the BYU game, with Stockton, Pangos and Hart flying around and being out of bounds or rebounds and such. We have the advantage against just about EVERY front court in the nation because of our size and depth.

It's borderline ridiculous at this point. It's fine to have an opinion that is not flattering of the Zags, but please base it off of more than just a 5-minute perusal of a stat sheet.

IMHO, our guys don't give a flying flip about what anybody has to say, good or bad. This is a very focused team, and quietly confident in themselves and their teammates.

I haven't read the article, but based on the comments, no Big 12 team should be in the tournament, as we are 5-0 against the Big 12.

There's only way to shut up the nonbelievers: WIN!

NEC26
03-19-2013, 02:41 PM
If I was in Vegas I might actually take those 12 to 1 odds as I like their path to the final four better than any other team except possibly Indiana.

Bocco
03-19-2013, 02:44 PM
It appears in the mind of many #1 seeds should be reserved for BCS schools.

I've quit watching and listening because the only thing that happens when I yell "you're and idiot" at the TV is my blood pressue goes up. :p

NotoriousZ
03-19-2013, 02:45 PM
It's a fricking bummer, this should be a great time to feel good about the achievements of this team, and the GU community in general.

And everyone seems to be intent on pissing on our parade.

From the talking heads on TV, to the festering miasma of DonsCentral.

It's hard to go anywhere online without seeing GU getting dumped on.

Why on Earth would you visit DonsCentral? This is the same place where we learned "100% chance, that we gonna dance" (speaking of themselves). So what are they saying over there? That we're overrated, over-seeded, undeserving, ect.? Let me double check my bracket to find those guys.

That's what I thought.

Ekrub
03-19-2013, 02:45 PM
It is amazing the animosity towards GU created by that 1 seed is so high. If we were a five seed we would be everybody's favorite Final Four pick.

DixieZag
03-19-2013, 02:46 PM
I have never put any faith in anything that has been produced by Fox News or Fox Sports and I sure as hell am not starting now.

Scott Van Pelt and Russo, on ESPN radio had a good discussion about us, one had us beating Ohio State in a close one, one had us losing in a close one, both were well aware of our strengths.

The funny thing is that b/c it is a loser out tournament, if a person sprays enough s**t on the wall, some of it will stick and then will declare "I'm a genius" and not bring up the 50 other predictions they made that didn't come true.

GoZags
03-19-2013, 02:47 PM
The only thing Fox Sports has going is the NFC of the NFL and Erin Andrews.

Go Zags - Beat Southern!!

Not necessarily in that order. Not sure who I am more enamored with .... Erin Andrews or the girl from Covert Affairs.

sittingon50
03-19-2013, 02:51 PM
:lmao:

CDC84
03-19-2013, 03:09 PM
Did anyone author that article?? I didn't see a writer's name.

sullyzag66
03-19-2013, 03:10 PM
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These guys obviously haven't seen how the WCC had decided to play the Zags this year, which was extremely physically. KO and Elias, night after night, faced guys who weren't in there to score and could focus primarily on pushing, grabbing, and generally trying to get under their skin. These same talking heads obviously didn't seen the BYU game, with Stockton, Pangos and Hart flying around and being out of bounds or rebounds and such. We have the advantage against just about EVERY front court in the nation because of our size and depth.
This. I remember remarking while watching a WCC game this year how red KO's upper arms were from all the hacking going on inside.

75Zag
03-19-2013, 03:11 PM
How do you say "Bite Me" in Latin?

Go Bulldogs!

cjm720
03-19-2013, 03:20 PM
25+ point win...by the Zags, of course.

GoZags
03-19-2013, 03:23 PM
How do you say "Bite Me" in Latin?

Go Bulldogs!

You'll have to ask Sili. He's made me look good around other message boards as I occasionally slip in a "Duke Delenda est"* type of post around the net. A Davidson guy actually started rattling back at me in Latin and I couldn't tell him I had "borrowed" that line (sans poetry) from Sili.

combatcorpsmangulaw
03-19-2013, 03:46 PM
None of the so-called, self-proclaimed college basketball experts have any skin in the game. Sitting back second guessing the number 1 team that has a body of work consisting of 33 games in the season is ludicrous.

Since Gonzaga has earned the number 1 seed this season, there have been many critics that, to my knowledge, never used the same level of scrutiny to any other number 1 college basketball team.

In my view, there is an on-going bias against Gonzaga and, I believe, any small college/university that happens to excel in a given season. There doesn't seem to be any effort to criticize the usual suspects like Kentucky, Duke, Kansas, Syracuse or Ohio State to nearly the same degree.

It's easy to spit into a microphone on some B.S. 'sports' talk show when the person doing the spitting hasn't been asked to coach after being fired i.e. Vitale from Detroit and Phelps from Fordham and Notre Dame.

If they were really experts, they'd be coaching in my view. 2nd guessing is easy -- that's why they have the aptitude and marginal intellect to do it.

maynard g krebs
03-19-2013, 04:03 PM
Dukie Jay (nee Jason) Williams picked the Zags as the most likely one seed to lose in the first round last night, using the inane reasoning that Southern would be able to use physical play v GU's guards. He did pick the Zags to win, but lose to Pitt.

And I happened to flip to Softy talking about the Zags and how they always flame out early, ending with a "go Southern".

Williams, Softy, and Fox. If those 3 are against you, I think you're in great shape. Kind of like Larry, Moe, Curly. Just watch out for the eye gouge. nyuk nyuk nyuk.

MDABE80
03-19-2013, 04:06 PM
Williams picked us for the FF didn't he? Has he changed???

stevet75
03-19-2013, 04:10 PM
The person that wrote the article is planning to bet on the Zags and just trying to drive up the odds.;)

NEC26
03-19-2013, 04:11 PM
No I heard him on ESPN saying Pitt would beat us. I believe he said Wisconsin would beat us if Pitt didn't as well but I'm not positive on that. He is not a believer in the Zags though I can tell you that. He also thinks College ball is not as good as when he was playing. He seems a little full of himself imo.

sullyzag66
03-19-2013, 04:13 PM
Williams picked us for the FF didn't he? Has he changed???
Southern changes everything. :rolleyes:

sweezag
03-19-2013, 04:16 PM
It's a fricking bummer, this should be a great time to feel good about the achievements of this team, and the GU community in general.

Yes, EVERYBODY hates us ...

Really? No, offense. I think this is absolutely petty and wrong. This is (in fact) a great time to feel good. I do! I think others do, too.

We're number 1 in both national polls. We are a 1-seed in the single, greatest tournament on earth. Kelly O is an All-American. The Zags are written up in the NY Times, Time Magazine, Washington Post, ... and appear on the cover of the regional SI magazine. The list goes on ...

I'll tell you what: I don't think haters put us in those places.

There's no "bummer" about anything, right now. This moment is so freakin' awesome and wonderful and thrilling! I don't know about you, but I don't give a rat's behind what anyone says about the Zags at this point!

Play, baby! And, win!

stevet75
03-19-2013, 04:18 PM
Yes, EVERYBODY hates us ...

Really? No, offense. I think this is absolutely petty and wrong. This is (in fact) a great time to feel good. I do! I think others do, too.

We're number 1 in both national polls. We are a 1-seed in the single, greatest tournament on earth. Kelly O is an All-American. The Zags are written up in the NY Times, Time Magazine, Washington Post, ... and appear on the cover of the regional SI magazine. The list goes on ...

I'll tell you what: I don't think haters put us in those places.

There's no "bummer" about anything, right now. This moment is so freakin' awesome and wonderful and thrilling! I don't know about you, but I don't give a rat's behind what anyone says about the Zags at this point!

Play, baby! And, win!

If no one hates you then you must not be a threat. Anybody hate Duke?

Once and Future Zag
03-19-2013, 04:19 PM
Why on Earth would you visit DonsCentral? This is the same place where we learned "100% chance, that we gonna dance" (speaking of themselves). So what are they saying over there? That we're overrated, over-seeded, undeserving, ect.? Let me double check my bracket to find those guys.

That's what I thought.

Because it's the only other WCC board with a pulse...

caduceus
03-19-2013, 04:26 PM
It's amazing that any of these people get paid for their reporting/analysis. There was a video on Sports Illustrated yesterday -- three talking heads with a shot of NYC in the background, and not one of them could pronounce Gonzaga. All three of them were saying how Gonzahhhgaahh had no chance against Pittsburgh and would be the first 1-seed bounced out of the tourney.

It's incredible that for a 1-seed how much we are under the radar in many media circles. I'm fine with that, but we better not lay an egg in the early rounds or all these joke-for-media-types are gonna be on the "told you so" wagon.

Just win.
http://i.imgur.com/4amsbEf.gif

JPtheBeasta
03-19-2013, 05:31 PM
It's amazing that any of these people get paid for their reporting/analysis. There was a video on Sports Illustrated yesterday -- three talking heads with a shot of NYC in the background, and not one of them could pronounce Gonzaga. All three of them were saying how Gonzahhhgaahh had no chance against Pittsburgh and would be the first 1-seed bounced out of the tourney.

It's incredible that for a 1-seed how much we are under the radar in many media circles. I'm fine with that, but we better not lay an egg in the early rounds or all these joke-for-media-types are gonna be on the "told you so" wagon.

Just win.
http://i.imgur.com/4amsbEf.gif

I don't like the comparisons to Notre Dame football, either. It was obvious that they were outmatched personnel-wise against Oregon. It is very obvious that KO is not an underwhelming physical specimen in the Manti T'eo mold (he probably has real girlfriend, too). Harris is very physical down low. Both of them pin players deep under the basket when posting up and don't give ground or flop on defense. GBJ and Pangos are shortish for their relative positions, but are very stout. Hart is a nightmare physically to other teams.

Anyone who watched a single game would know these things.

MickMick
03-19-2013, 05:55 PM
I hope the "journalist" put money on it.

I want to see his wager stub published so I can feel good about his prediction hitting him in the pocketbook.


He doesn't have the guts. Let's see it clown.

Oregonzagnut
03-19-2013, 06:10 PM
Kansas will be the first ever 1 seed losing to a 16 seed and Western Kentucky will do it!

McZag
03-19-2013, 06:11 PM
How do you say "Bite Me" in Latin?

Go Bulldogs!

Mordere me!

americasteam
03-19-2013, 06:15 PM
I have never put any faith in anything that has been produced by Fox News or Fox Sports and I sure as hell am not starting now.

Scott Van Pelt and Russo, on ESPN radio had a good discussion about us, one had us beating Ohio State in a close one, one had us losing in a close one, both were well aware of our strengths.

The funny thing is that b/c it is a loser out tournament, if a person sprays enough s**t on the wall, some of it will stick and then will declare "I'm a genius" and not bring up the 50 other predictions they made that didn't come true.

If the mods are taking out anything related to politics, the above comment should be taken out also.

RenoZag
03-19-2013, 07:07 PM
If the mods are taking out anything related to politics, the above comment should be taken out also.

Closing the thread seems to be the best course of action. At this point in time.