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exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 08:19 AM
Other Games - Saturday, 3/2/13 (http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/scoreboard?date=20130302&confId=50)

#1 Indiana vs Iowa, 4:30pm
#3 Duke vs #5 Miami, 3pm
#6 Kansas vs West Virginia, 11am
#7 Georgetown vs Rutgers, 6pm
#8 Florida vs Alabama, 9am
#10 Louisville @ #12 Syracuse, 9am
#11 Arizona @ UCLA, 6pm
#13 Kansas St @ Baylor, 4pm
#14 New Mexico vs Wyoming, 2pm
#15 Oklahoma St vs Texas, 1pm
#18 Saint Louis @ George Washington, 1pm
#19 Memphis @ UCF, 10am
#20 Butler @ VCU, 9am
#21 Notre Dame @ #22 Marquette, 11am
#23 Saint Mary's vs Santa Clara, 7pm
#25 Louisiana Tech vs San Jose St, 5pm
BYU @ Loyola Marymount, 8pm
Oklahoma vs Iowa St, 10:30am
Illinois vs Nebraska, 2:15pm
Davidson vs Georgia Southern, 11am
Wichita St @ Creighton, 11am
UConn @ Cincinnati, 11am
Colorado @ California, 2pm
Kentucky @ Arkansas, 1pm
Clemson @ Virginia Tech, 5pm
Pepperdine @ San Diego, 12pm
Pacific @ UC Riverside, 5pm
Campbell @ High Point, 1pm
South Dakota @ Western Illinois, 5pm

rijman
03-02-2013, 08:38 AM
Looking forward to the Duke/Miami game. On Game Day they referred to this as a possible play in game for a #1 seed. Speaking of Game Day, the Zags getting some respect from Jalen, Jay and Digger, in response to the question "are the Zags worthy of the #1 ranking" all said yes.

Vanzagger
03-02-2013, 09:12 AM
VCU shoots out of the gate vs Butler

sittingon50
03-02-2013, 09:31 AM
And shoot some more.

sofa king
03-02-2013, 09:32 AM
I want no part of VCU in the tourney. Holy moly what defense!

Vanzagger
03-02-2013, 09:33 AM
VCU up 18. Seems like they are getting away with more hand checking than should be allowed.

I hope we meet them. We handle their press and get several dunks

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 09:52 AM
Cuse and the Ville look pedestrian by comparison. VCU wd be a challenge in the round of 32.

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 09:56 AM
Louisville up 4 on Syracuse at halftime

23-19

It's a combo of bad offense and good defense.

I'd prefer it if Syracuse could pull this one out.

U Zig, I Zag
03-02-2013, 09:59 AM
Still can't believe we lost to that Butler team.

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 10:03 AM
No kidding, Seth Davis is pathetic. Gottlieb and Anthony are against banning court storms and Davis smacks Coach Ks arse and his rant after UVa game. Video clearly shows Duke was safely escorted behind row of ushers. No mention on Zags but plenty of talk about Ryan Kelly's return. In was more like the Duke Weekly Halfime Show.

BobZag
03-02-2013, 10:10 AM
Still can't believe we lost to that Butler team.

They aren't the same team. After beating us, they got Rotnei back and have not done squat since.

U Zig, I Zag
03-02-2013, 10:15 AM
They aren't the same team. After beating us, they got Rotnei back and have not done squat since.

I suppose. But I have watched them 5 times now (I think it is) and they just don't look potent at all. I was hoping they would steamroll folks...
:pray:

Hoopaholic
03-02-2013, 10:16 AM
If Indiana had not lost too them as well, I would suspect media would start calling our one point loss a bad loss with they way butler been playing last 5-6 games

bartruff1
03-02-2013, 10:17 AM
They aren't the same team. After beating us, they got Rotnei back and have not done squat since.

The Carlino of the A-10....

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 10:17 AM
Florida tied at 33 with Alabama at home with 15 min left

Ezag
03-02-2013, 10:19 AM
butler getting hammered,,,,ouch

U Zig, I Zag
03-02-2013, 10:28 AM
Anyone win insider pass want to paraphrase? Best 4 teams when they are 'on'
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9003510/louisville-wisconsin-teams-best-beat-anyone-college-basketball

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 10:34 AM
Anyone win insider pass want to paraphrase? Best 4 teams when they are 'on'
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9003510/louisville-wisconsin-teams-best-beat-anyone-college-basketball

1. Louisville
2. Illinois
3. Wisconsin
4. Virginia


Winning the NCAA tournament requires that a team raise its level of play for six games. More specifically, a team usually needs to play better than the average level it displayed over the course of the regular season. It stands to reason that if you simply play average, even as the favorite, you put yourself at risk of losing to an opponent that plays over its head. Upsets don't happen if great teams play at their best.

Historically, there is no better example of a team playing better than its season-long stats than VCU in 2011. The Rams were ranked well outside the top 100 in adjusted defensive efficiency heading into the tournament but made it to the Final Four by playing like the team that crushed George Mason in the CAA tournament and won at Wichita State in their BracketBusters games.

With that in mind, it's instructive to look at the teams whose best is difficult for others to match. I've gone back through each team's schedule and taken its five best performances against top-100 quality competition. These performances were then adjusted for the quality of the opposition and where the game was played. Not surprisingly, many of the teams that are "scary good" at their best are also teams vying for 1-seed honors. The list contains teams like Indiana, Duke, Miami, Florida, Kansas and Michigan.

The four teams not in consideration for 1-seeds are a little more interesting. They are the teams that haven't always been spectacular, but when they've been at their best, they've played much better than their tournament seed will indicate.


Louisville Cardinals

The Cardinals are actually not nearly as inconsistent as the other three teams I'm about to profile. They've played at a really high level this season and I feel pretty confident in saying they are No. 1 seed quality even if the RPI math may not indicate that. They've been in every game they've lost and each team to beat the Cards was a quality opponent. On the flip side, Louisville's best moments also rank up there with the best teams in the land. And each of them illustrates that Louisville's offense shouldn't be taken lightly.

In November, the Cardinals beat Missouri by 23, posting 1.17 points per possession, the most Mizzou has allowed this season. Likewise, in a nine-point December win at Memphis, the Cards scored 87 points in 76 possessions, the second-most efficient performance the Tigers have allowed this season. In Big East play, Louisville has run up impressive offensive numbers against Marquette (1.15 PPP), Providence (1.25 PPP) and UConn (1.08 PPP), all of which were among the most efficient games those teams have seen. It's no secret that Louisville's offense lags behind its dominant defense, but at its best, the Cardinals' offense has few peers.


Illinois Fighting Illini

At its worst, Illinois is a team that has struggled to beat Gardner-Webb and Auburn and lost by double digits to Northwestern at home. But the reason the Illini figure to be safely in the tournament field is that their best has been good enough to more than offset those poor efforts. Start with two wins over teams that may be No. 1 seeds in Indiana and Gonzaga. The 1.26 PPP scored against the Zags was easily the most Gonzaga has allowed this season, and it was done in Spokane, Wash.

It's easy to forget the Illini's run in Maui, but their wins over USC and Butler were rather spectacular as well. Illinois beat Butler by 15, and in scoring 78 points in 63 possessions put up the most prolific offensive show Butler has witnessed this season (or last season, for that matter). While USC hasn't set the world on fire, the 30-point beating Illinois gave the Trojans is one of just four double-digit losses they have suffered. Throw in the improbable win over Indiana and the 19-point beating of Ohio State, and Illinois' greatest hits are sublime.


Wisconsin Badgers

The Badgers are oddly anonymous in discussions of the best teams in the game, but their track record over the past two months has been stellar. Not only do they have high-profile wins, they have dominant performances the quality of which few teams in the country can match. While they struggled a bit in nonconference play, their 25-point win over Cal was the most efficient offensive game the Bears have surrendered this season. At the same time, Wisconsin held Cal to its third-worst offensive game of the season.

The Badgers' 23-point win over Illinois was even better than that, as it represented Illinois' worst offensive and defensive game at the same time. Wisconsin's win at Indiana was impressive because it is likely to be the Hoosiers' only loss at home. But in holding Indiana to 0.99 PPP, the Badgers also demonstrated their defensive strength. It's the only time in the past two seasons that Tom Crean's team has failed to score a point per possession at Assembly Hall.

One other game worth mentioning is the 22-point win over Ohio State in Madison, Wis. It was the third-most efficient offensive game and second-most efficient defensive game that the Buckeyes have witnessed this season. When Wisconsin is on, the results have been devastating.


Virginia Cavaliers

This selection is a bit of a stretch since there's not yet a guarantee of Virginia even being included in the field of 68. But should the Cavs get there, they'll have to be considered serious contenders to win a couple of games based on some of their best work during the regular season. Tony Bennett is known for his defense, but the offense has performed well in the shadows of Virginia's ultraslow pace.

Thursday's win over Duke produced 1.08 PPP, the fourth most the Blue Devils have allowed this season. A win at aforementioned Wisconsin was also a good example of this. Scoring 60 points in 56 possessions doesn't sound impressive, but the 1.08 points per possession was the fifth most that Wisconsin's stingy defense has allowed this season, and the most in the Kohl Center. And the Cavs' whipping of Georgia Tech last Sunday produced 1.35 PPP, easily the most that a surprisingly stout Yellow Jackets defense has surrendered this season.

Of course, sometimes the defense is dominant, too. Witness Virginia's home win against North Carolina when the Cavs held the Tar Heels to 0.82 PPP, North Carolina's second-worst effort of the season. Virginia also has the unsightly losses to Old Dominion and Delaware, of course, which is why the Cavaliers still have a little work to do to get into the tournament. But in recent weeks, they've shown they are about as likely to beat teams with their offense as their defense, and that makes them more dangerous than their tournament profile indicates.

When the bracket is revealed, the No. 1 seeds are going to get all of the attention. But when lower-seeded teams advance, it's going to at least be partially due to lower-seeded teams playing better than typical. In the cases of Louisville, Illinois, Wisconsin and Virginia, that ceiling has already been proved to be pretty high.

MickMick
03-02-2013, 10:34 AM
They aren't the same team. After beating us, they got Rotnei back and have not done squat since.

Absolutely.

The common national narrative is "Butler beat GU without their best player".


Can we finally put that to rest? It annoys me to no end.


Rotnei can't consistently defend and he turns the ball over. Butler's half court defense is a shadow of what it used to be.

soccerdud
03-02-2013, 10:37 AM
Anyone win insider pass want to paraphrase? Best 4 teams when they are 'on'
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9003510/louisville-wisconsin-teams-best-beat-anyone-college-basketball

it's a list of the 4 teams *not in currently in 1-seed consideration" who had the best opponent adjusted performances against top teams.

the list is lousiville, illinois, wisconsin, and virginia.

as you would expect, we come up (along with indiana and ohio state) in the discussion of illinois. nothing groundbreaking except that they scored 1.26 points per possession against us. that is apparently easily our worst defensive performance of the year. no shocker to those of us who haven't repressed our memories of that game.

other than that not a lot that's of great interest. no other zag mentions, and i'm sure you can guess/figure out which games are brought up as support for the other teams on the list.

edit: oops, someone beat me to it and posted the whole article here. well, this is just the TLDR then.

MickMick
03-02-2013, 10:39 AM
it's a list of the 4 teams *not in currently in 1-seed consideration" who had the best opponent adjusted performances against top teams.

the list is lousiville, illinois, wisconsin, and virginia.

as you would expect, we come up (along with indiana and ohio state) in the discussion of illinois. nothing groundbreaking except that they scored 1.26 points per possession against us. that is apparently easily our worst defensive performance of the year. no shocker to those of us who haven't repressed our memories of that game.

other than that not a lot that's of great interest. no other zag mentions, and i'm sure you can guess/figure out which games are mentioned as support for the other teams on the list.


If Louisville wins today and wins the conference tournament as well, they will be a #1 seed.

soccerdud
03-02-2013, 10:43 AM
If Louisville wins today and wins the conference tournament as well, they will be a #1 seed.

indeed. probably should have noted that, but the article didn't and i wasn't trying to take on any of the article's claims or assumptions. just summarize for the thread.

BobZag
03-02-2013, 11:05 AM
The Carlino of the A-10....

Exactly.

bartruff1
03-02-2013, 11:11 AM
Basketball Jones can make those shots !!! I thought it was a fluke, heck, it is a normal shot for him...

MickMick
03-02-2013, 11:12 AM
This (http://seattletimes.com/html/collegesports/2017058502_mhoop21.html) is the reason why GU is where they are and why Butler is where they are.

GU is simply the better team.

Hoopaholic
03-02-2013, 11:29 AM
Pretty quiet in Kansas as mountaineers have 7 point lead

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 11:42 AM
I'm surprised this is only the 2nd time Brad Stevens has lost by at least 20 points as a head coach.

The first time he lost by 20+ was at Wisconsin-Milwaukee in 2011. The spread gave Butler a 10 point advantage, but they lost by 24.

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 11:45 AM
OU and Davidson up big. Our Lady down big.

rijman
03-02-2013, 11:49 AM
If Indiana had not lost too them as well, I would suspect media would start calling our one point loss a bad loss with they way butler been playing last 5-6 games
As soon as I heard about the Butler loss today I was thinking the same thing. I'm glad Butler also beat Indiana.

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 12:22 PM
Unrelentingly, Seth Davis still knocking Zags, saying they could lose top seed even if they win out if darling BCS schools win tourneys. Even worse, stero thief Gottlieb mocks GU by comparing them to ND in football this year, no great wins. Thankfully, Greg says no top seed in poll had ever not gotten top seed. Gumbel mentions freaking Kelly of Duke again as the formaldehyde works deeper.. Pretty infuriating stuff. Ps, Greg played for a NCS mid major.

RenoZag
03-02-2013, 12:23 PM
Loved the way Anthony shut Gott off: "Can I finish my comment !?! "

Zagsker
03-02-2013, 12:27 PM
Loved the way Anthony shut Gott off: "Can I finish my comment !?! "

me too...Greg's demeanor was "are we seriously sitting here and discussing that Gonzaga would not be worthy of a 1 seed if they win out!?"

Loved his comment about Duke not having a single road victory against a top 50 rpi team

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 12:31 PM
me too...Greg's demeanor was "are we seriously sitting here and discussing that Gonzaga would not be worthy of a 1 seed if they win out!?"

Loved his comment about Duke not having a single road victory against a top 50 rpi team

Seth almost laughed himself off his seat on that one. Pretty shabby treatment of Greg by the two, um, BCS wonks on the panel. Greg Gumbel was eyeing he pastry cart. This is the WORST part on CBS and the NCAAs. Maybe Chuckles will be brought back. Seth and the thief want a Dook Ville final, good vs evil, slick vs icon, who cares?

Zagsker
03-02-2013, 12:46 PM
Seth almost laughed himself off his seat on that one. Pretty shabby treatment of Greg by the two, um, BCS wonks on the panel. Greg Gumbel was eyeing he pastry cart. This is the WORST part on CBS and the NCAAs. Maybe Chuckles will be brought back. Seth and the thief want a Dook Ville final, good vs evil, slick vs icon, who cares?

I pride myself on not looking through homer glasses when analyzing GU basketball (now Husker football is a different story:D) but I just cannot see us not getting a 1 seed if we win out...I completely understand the logic behind why a ACC, SEC, BIG 12, Big East champ (regular and postseason) champ might deserve a #1 seed over GU, but you have to give GU their respect and "deserves" as well...win out and we only have 2 losses on the season, at the very least any of those other teams will have 2 or more losses than us, we have DESTROYED teams in the WCC and handled some very good BCS teams in the OOC schedule. Analyst can play the "what if they played in Conf X" all they want but that is pure speculation, you have to look at facts and the facts say GU is a #1 seed (provided they win out)

rawkmandale
03-02-2013, 12:51 PM
I loved Greg Anthony as a player, and I love him as a talking head.

Worthington
03-02-2013, 12:54 PM
The thing I find strangest is how we get it held against us that we don't have any really 'big' wins, but these analysts seemingly hold nothing against some of these top teams for their absolutely dreadful losses (Penn State, TCU, Wake Forest etc.) We took care of business on the road against all the teams we should have, that should be worth something.

rawkmandale
03-02-2013, 12:56 PM
2000 career points for Doug McDermott - Creighton is winning. Good for us that they lost to St. Mary's.

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 12:56 PM
I loved Greg Anthony as a player, and I love him as a talking head.

Agree. The only one worth watching on the NCAA show. Worse even than look at me stereo thief Gotts and smarmy Davis is mumbles Kellogg, he of the "spurt ability" comments he stole from Clyde Frazier. And Gumbel is a corpse.

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 12:58 PM
McDermott sure doesnt impress me as an NBA type. Extraordinarily slow and Pop has set up the whole offense to cater to his skills. A nice college player, no Wally Szcerbiak. I think Gibbs has gotten slower and whiter 😁

bballbeachbum
03-02-2013, 01:06 PM
I loved Greg Anthony as a player, and I love him as a talking head.

me too. very articulate, knows his stuff, not a yeller. I think it helps his perspective to have both won a national championship and also lost one. as a commentator he's rounded like that too imo

bartruff1
03-02-2013, 01:10 PM
The thing I find strangest is how we get it held against us that we don't have any really 'big' wins, but these analysts seemingly hold nothing against some of these top teams for their absolutely dreadful losses (Penn State, TCU, Wake Forest etc.) We took care of business on the road against all the teams we should have, that should be worth something....sounds like a obvious question...whatever.. it will all be decided on the court...great fun...if they are up already, those blue chip kids are watching ...

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 04:04 PM
Miami up 36-34 on Duke (at Duke) at halftime.

Hoping for a win from Duke

ZagLawGrad
03-02-2013, 04:06 PM
Miami up 36-34 on Duke (at Duke) at halftime.

Hoping for a win from Duke

Why Duke?

Zags better off if Duke loses, as I see it.

Ekrub
03-02-2013, 04:12 PM
Yeah, tough to say what voters will do with this duke game... Don't think Miami will jump us, but I could see some folks sliding them in a 2, us at 3, and Indiana at 1.

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 04:18 PM
Why Duke?

Zags better off if Duke loses, as I see it.

Duke already lost a game to a sub 50 rpi Virginia team on the road

If Miami wins, voters may just slide Miami ahead of us in the polls (it's possible)

Maimi has only lost 1 game in ACC play, too. It'd be nice to knock them off their pedistal.

siliconzag
03-02-2013, 04:26 PM
McDermott sure doesnt impress me as an NBA type. Extraordinarily slow and Pop has set up the whole offense to cater to his skills. A nice college player, no Wally Szcerbiak. I think Gibbs has gotten slower and whiter 😁

in some ways is a lot like Adam, but actually he has a much quicker release. Gibbs is a wily player, not necessarily quick. The Creighton team is better than many folks think. Their loss to St. Mary's was partly due to poor shooting and not being used to a band box. Most MVC venues seat over 10K and the Century Link holds 18,500. Don't sleep on Creighton, they will burn you, and they shoot 42% from 3 point range. Their inside game is not at the same level as the Zags, but if they get hot, look out. McDermott is an inspirational coach, the kids love him. I don't think he has the savvy of Crean or Coach K, but few do (did you like the pun, Jazz).

Sili

jazzdelmar
03-02-2013, 04:30 PM
in some ways is a lot like Adam, but actually he has a much quicker release. Gibbs is a wily player, not necessarily quick. The Creighton team is better than many folks think. Their loss to St. Mary's was partly due to poor shooting and not being used to a band box. Most MVC venues seat over 10K and the Century Link holds 18,500. Don't sleep on Creighton, they will burn you, and they shoot 42% from 3 point range. Their inside game is not at the same level as the Zags, but if they get hot, look out. McDermott is an inspirational coach, the kids love him. I don't think he has the savvy of Crean or Coach K, but few do (did you like the pun, Jazz).

Sili

Youre wily as well. 😉

ZagLawGrad
03-02-2013, 04:33 PM
Duke already lost a game to a sub 50 rpi Virginia team on the road

If Miami wins, voters may just slide Miami ahead of us in the polls (it's possible)

Maimi has only lost 1 game in ACC play, too. It'd be nice to knock them off their pedistal.

Interesting.

I see Miami having no chance (even with a win over Duke) with their #5 ranking and the Wake Forest loss to jump the Zags.

But Duke---a win by them and the love fest they have with the East coast voters would worry me, even with that Virginia loss.

Go Iowa Hawkeyes today! Beat Indiana!

Hoopaholic
03-02-2013, 04:38 PM
Duke wins the east coast luv fest will justify putting duke above us because will claim Ryan Kelly is back therefore all past losses don't matter for duke

Kiddwell
03-02-2013, 04:39 PM
Wow, Baylor is playing in their pajamas. Neon, no less. :eek:



:]

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 04:40 PM
Ryan Kelly has come back with a vengence tonight.

29 points with 6-8 from 3

NEC26
03-02-2013, 04:58 PM
Miami is not a very smart or good team.

ZagLawGrad
03-02-2013, 05:00 PM
Zags beat Miami on any court, not sure about Duke.

bballbeachbum
03-02-2013, 05:01 PM
Kelly makes them more dangerous...stating the obvious. gives the deciders reason to do what they want, provided Duke keeps winning

NEC26
03-02-2013, 05:02 PM
Dukes three point shooting scares me.

bballbeachbum
03-02-2013, 05:06 PM
Dukes three point shooting scares me.

game with the Zags would be one heck of a shootout! Zags power game could do some damage in that one

ZagLawGrad
03-02-2013, 05:07 PM
Canes hangin tuff w/ minute left

caduceus
03-02-2013, 05:07 PM
Dukes three point shooting scares me.

At home, maybe. On the road, not so much.

Edit: Don't look now. Miami down 3 with a minute left.
Edit2: Dukey turns it over and fouls Miami.

NEC26
03-02-2013, 05:09 PM
Good strategy to start fouling so early. Can't believe they have a chance here.

MJ777
03-02-2013, 05:11 PM
Dukes three point shooting scares me.

I would prefer they lose to a Lehigh early again. Zags haven't exactly had Duke's number in the past.

NEC26
03-02-2013, 05:11 PM
Wow Duke is starting to choke.

NEC26
03-02-2013, 05:12 PM
And just as I say that Miami turns it over.

ZagLawGrad
03-02-2013, 05:16 PM
Miami had its chances

bballbeachbum
03-02-2013, 05:16 PM
nice look for the tie, but no

will be interesting to see what the voters do now :)

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 05:18 PM
#1, 3, 4, 5 all have lost this week....


but not #2 Gonzaga!

bartruff1
03-02-2013, 06:09 PM
Duke wins the east coast luv fest will justify putting duke above us because will claim Ryan Kelly is back therefore all past losses don't matter for duke

...the Virginia loss was Duke without Kelly..they will vote for the Duke with Kelly... Miami was never going to be #1 next week...

It will be interesting...

RenoZag
03-02-2013, 06:19 PM
K-State knocks off Baylor at the buzzer, 64 - 61.

CDC84
03-02-2013, 06:24 PM
Bruce Weber is a heck of a coach. He just wasn't a good fit at Illinois. That sometimes happens.

exclusivelee
03-02-2013, 07:46 PM
#11 Arizona down 11 against UCLA 69-58 with 5:30 left

Section 116
03-02-2013, 09:25 PM
Anybody notice 11 players have been on the floor for BYU during their game with LMU and none of them are named Thug, I mean Kaufusi? Wonder exactly what the BYU game plan was vs. GU?

Zagsker
03-02-2013, 09:29 PM
I continue to laugh at how non-GU WCC games (with respects to SMC vs BYU) just don't garner energy from the home crowd...this BYU vs LMU game is pathetic...there is more excitement in my living room when I am playing someone in Madden

sittingon50
03-02-2013, 11:00 PM
BYU wins by 3.

Kafusi 12 mins., 1 foul (compared to 10 mins., 5 fouls vs GU).

D. Rose really must have coached him up in 48 hrs.!