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GUnawinit
02-16-2013, 12:51 AM
Looking at this years team and teams gone bye can you pick one player (From the past) that would be the guy to allow GU to win it all? Yes, not that they can't without!

Let's say the guy that would take the three spot...


KO
Harris
The GUY???
Pangs
GBJ

Morrison
Daye
Santangelo
Calvery

Oh, have some fun with it? Who is it?

Ekrub
02-16-2013, 01:11 AM
Santangellllllooooooo. Morrison too.

DixieZag
02-16-2013, 04:04 AM
Morrison - or even Daye (probably the two most talented Zags, ever) would be like throwing a chain saw in this beautiful ball of chemistry that are juggling perfectly, so, to me, it would have to be someone who's personality fits right in.

Santangelo at 6'4 and with unbelievable jumping ability could probably play the 3 in this line-up, he would provide limitless range, freed up from his PG duties, he could use those hops and stregth to rebound - he would be a tough addition.

Probably the safest answer is Richie Frahm or Mika Downs, long length, decent D and rebounding and deep range to open the middle.

billyberu
02-16-2013, 04:18 AM
Morrison - or even Daye (probably the two most talented Zags, ever) would be like throwing a chain saw in this beautiful ball of chemistry that are juggling perfectly, so, to me, it would have to be someone who's personality fits right in.

Santangelo at 6'4 and with unbelievable jumping ability could probably play the 3 in this line-up, he would provide limitless range, freed up from his PG duties, he could use those hops and stregth to rebound - he would be a tough addition.

Probably the safest answer is Richie Frahm or Mika Downs, long length, decent D and rebounding and deep range to open the middle.

I was thinking along similar lines re: the chemistry issue. You can't deny the talent of a Morrison or Daye, but the former couldn't defend a lick and would demand the ball from similarly gifted offensive players. Daye might work along with Micah Downs. Errol Knight? I'd personally want someone who could defend like stink, create his own shot and not have a hissy fit being further down the list of offensive options.

Dude, Santangelo was 6'1" in shoes. Not sure where you're getting the additional 3 inches. Love the guy and all he did, just don't see him at the 3.

jazzdelmar
02-16-2013, 04:27 AM
Bouldin.....a perfect fit for this team. Cerebral, talented, leader...and he was 6-4 at least.

DixieZag
02-16-2013, 04:28 AM
I was thinking along similar lines re: the chemistry issue. You can't deny the talent of a Morrison or Daye, but the former couldn't defend a lick and would demand the ball from similarly gifted offensive players. Daye might work along with Micah Downs. Errol Knight? I'd personally want someone who could defend like stink, create his own shot and not have a hissy fit being further down the list of offensive options.

Dude, Santangelo was 6'1" in shoes. Not sure where you're getting the additional 3 inches. Love the guy and all he did, just don't see him at the 3.

Whoops! My bad. I thought that Santengelo was a big guard at 6'4! Thanks for pointing out my boneheadedness. I take that "insight" back. If I could get a healthy Stepp (he was 6'4") I would take him for the same reason but his knees were always so bad that there is no way he could be up. Few said that no one knew how much pain he went through, he never played one game pain free.

If Daye could accept his role (he might have been able to - I hate being too critical of 19 y/o and he wasn't in any way a "problem player" he would definitely take us over the top as a small forward who could block shots, stretch the D. . . we would be national champs if he were on this squad.

billyberu
02-16-2013, 04:40 AM
Bouldin.....a perfect fit for this team. Cerebral, talented, leader...and he was 6-4 at least.

I recall Bouldin having a hard time against the length and athleticism of a certain Memphis team. At SG, definitely. Not sure I'd want him out at the wing.

I was never bothered by Daye's supposed antics, either. Always seemed like he got along well with his teammates and the tangibles he provides are intriguing. Could be the guy.

laszagas
02-16-2013, 05:51 AM
Stephen Gray - never thought he wanted to be the center of the team and he wouldn't have to be on this one. Big guard who can play tough defense and knock down threes. Could score in the lane and pass too.

The509sfinest
02-16-2013, 07:14 AM
Maybe Kong with a redshirt year here. (Btw I know he used a wasted redshirt year by waiting to come play here) I still think he was such a waste of talent. Other than that Bouldin, he was the man but never acted like he was the man.

zag67
02-16-2013, 07:18 AM
I wouldgo way back and mine would be Frank Burgess. He had the long range shot, worked hard and could move the ball.

Angelo Roncalli
02-16-2013, 07:21 AM
I'd add Micah Downs. Versatility at the 3. Can defend the opposing team's 2,3 or occasionally 4. Can get to the rim and hit the 3.

rennis
02-16-2013, 07:24 AM
If this team had Richie Frahm at the 3 spot they would be unbeatable. Literally.

gonzagabasketball
02-16-2013, 07:34 AM
Eroll Knight. A combination of Hart and Edi.

jazzdelmar
02-16-2013, 08:07 AM
I'd add Micah Downs. Versatility at the 3. Can defend the opposing team's 2,3 or occasionally 4. Can get to the rim and hit the 3.

Agree. Never well utilized though.

zagamatic
02-16-2013, 09:24 AM
I'd definitely go with Micah Downs. His all around game always impressed me as well as his demeanor. He always brought it on defense and had the right size, length, speed and hops for the position. IMO if we had a player like him at the three position this year, we'd be that "dominant" team everyone says is missing this year.

SunDevilGolfZag
02-16-2013, 09:52 AM
I'll take the current team with either Anthony Reason or Micah Downs at the 3. Reason was long and athletic and could truly guard someone out there on the perimeter

BobZag
02-16-2013, 09:55 AM
1. Ammo
2. Frahm
3. Downs

TacomaZAG
02-16-2013, 10:01 AM
chemistry is the key. I agree with the need for a good/great defensive guy who is a team first, lunch pail, glue guy with some offensive weapons to complement the 4 current starters. Some size would be nice as well.

While I don't disagree with the votes for Downs, what about Pendo??? He was an honest 6'-6", with all the heart of Hart, plus a little more offense. This team doesn't need another scorer, they need a guy like Hart (plus offense) who can fill in the gaps from the other 4 and can guard either a 3 or a smaller 4. Pendo gets overlooked as he played out of position his entire career at GU. He would have been a great 3, but he had to play the 4 and even the 5 sometimes while he was here.

Go ZAGS

jpwils
02-16-2013, 10:51 AM
Downs- due to chemistry.

Morrison would screw up chemistry.

SwainZag
02-16-2013, 11:00 AM
Eroll Knight. A combination of Hart and Edi.

I would love to see Knight on this team. He is a Top 3 favorite Zag for me, the guy was an athletic freak. Wish he could have put it all together, he could have been a very special player.

hooter73
02-16-2013, 11:06 AM
Team game. I'll take this team.

But Ammos scoring is hard to argue.

spike_jr
02-16-2013, 11:19 AM
Tough choice..... Pendo, Downs, or Knight.

Pendo could and would defend and rebound. I never thought the kid was recognized enough for his offense. If he would have been the focus, he would have easily averaged double digits - especially if he played the three. He was a scoring machine in HS but always did what was asked of him at GU.

Downs was a flat out stud. Would love to have his offense and defense at the three. I really think he was one of the all time bests talent wise ever at GU.

Knight was a hell of an athlete and a team guy. He always gave it all. Scary to think what he would have done if his knees had been healthy

Any of these three would be good additions, but do not underestimate the value that Hart brings to the team.

bballbeachbum
02-16-2013, 11:23 AM
Pargo because of his ability to drive/dish and also finish with authority, perfect complement to this year's team imo

RenoZag
02-16-2013, 01:27 PM
Frank Burgess

zagco
02-16-2013, 01:48 PM
John Stockton.

Zag79
02-17-2013, 02:10 AM
I'd add Micah Downs. Versatility at the 3. Can defend the opposing team's 2,3 or occasionally 4. Can get to the rim and hit the 3.

This, and he could have been so much more. Loved what he brought to the hardwood.

GrizZAG
02-17-2013, 04:24 AM
Ronny

Inside would be so difficult the guards could get a lot of room for the 3 fest.

GUnawinit
02-22-2013, 11:01 PM
is whom I side with..E. Knight, with the "D" we witnessed on Wednesday..can you imagine the lock down team this would be. And Knight could score a bit if I remember. Whew..good call on everyone's account...

It's always nice to dream...But, yes..I'll take this years team as well.

Thank you..that was fun and interesting...the responses that is!

WallaWallaZag
02-22-2013, 11:21 PM
steven gray or micah downs...you want a bcs-level athlete and defender at the 3 spot and both would add another perimeter threat to this team. would take e.knight in a heartbeat as well, but gray and downs just add a touch more offense, especially from long range. gray could create his own shot which this team could really use at times.

Zagger
02-23-2013, 04:40 AM
KO
Harris
The GUY???
Pangs
GBJ


I find it hard to look at those names without Hart's there!
Go Zags!

GonzagasaurusFlex
02-23-2013, 05:17 AM
Looking at this years team and teams gone bye can you pick one player (From the past) that would be the guy to allow GU to win it all? Yes, not that they can't without!

1. Downs
2. Gray

but really what I think - foregoing the - from the past caveat:

1. Hart - because, to paraphrase 'Miracle' quote: This is our time!
- because it's a matter of destiny..and Zag heart w hard work

mgadfly
02-23-2013, 06:38 AM
Adam Morrison:
I don't think AMMO would screw up the chemistry. He was a hard-working gym rat that inspired his teammates to be better. He was incredibly efficient as a sophomore and had no problem sharing the ball with Batista and Turiaf and Raivio (his assistant rate as a sophomore is on par with Pangos' this year). I guess people think just because he took a lot of shots as a junior he would screw up the delicate balance of this squad? Morrison was a team player, coming off the bench as a freshman and then sharing appropriately as a sophomore. Even as a junior he shared the ball with JP Batista. The coaches continued to run more and more plays to him because of his success and efficiency (and he had the ball all the time being doubled and triple teamed and had a turnover rate that would be second to only Mike Hart on this year's squad). He was asked to score, and he did what he was asked to do. And I think Pangos and Bell would be better because everybody would be trying to stop AMMO, Harris, and KO. They'd get all those open shots Raivio benefited from.

This team needs a small forward and not adding one of the best to ever play college basketball would be absurd. The guy was being compared by serious people to Larry Bird, was a first team all-american, and a lottery pick for a reason.

Blake Stepp:
Stepp's junior season of basketball was as good as any Stockton or Morrison put up. He not only scored, but he passed, rebounded, and played good defense. He's 6'4" and was a decent rebounding guard. He was basically a better version of Dellavedova who is considered the best point guard on the west coast this year. He played with Dickau and showed he could play off the ball as a combo-guard. It'd be tempting to add him and go with a three guard line-up. He would make the other guards better, he'd look to get the ball inside to KO and Harris, and he would bring better defense than AMMO. (And if we can have the junior version of him, he wouldn't be as banged up)

Bouldin:
Bouldin is one of my favorite players to ever play at GU. I'd pick him just to see him in action again. But despite his size he wasn't a great rebounding guard. He'd bring good defense, good passing, good shooting and a bit more athleticism than a guy like Stepp. But Stepp as a junior had a better season than Bouldin ever had. Despite being an inch shorter and thirty pounds lighter, I'd take Stepp over Bouldin. Nothing against Bouldin, but the two players are so similar I'd take Stepp and that amazing junior season.

Austin Daye:
This is a player that could ruin chemistry. He demanded touches despite being inefficient as a scorer. He took a greater percentage of shots than anyone on the 2009 squad despite being 8th in efficiency out of the 9 fairly regular players. The only player he was more efficient than was Will Foster who had serious problems making lay-ins that season (and why would a 7'5" guy lay the ball in ever, in the first place?).

However, he'd be the greatest impact on rebounding and defense of any available player with the skills to play the "3". By far. He'd block shots, get steals, knock down open threes, and be a serious mismatch for any team running a three guard line-up. We'd probably be top 10 in defense with him on this squad. The big question would be if him taking four or five shots a game from KO and Harris would be worth the added defense. And as good a rebounder as he was, he got all of those on the defensive end. He'd give us virtually no offensive second chances like Mike Hart does.

Micah Downs:
Adding an unselfish McDonald's All-American with very good athleticism, length, shooting, shot-blocking, defense, and solid rebounding would be tempting. He took care of the ball like Mike Hart and was always willing to defer to JH, Daye, Bouldin, etc... However, he wasn't one to create many opportunities for his teammates (he'd basically get out of the way and wait to shoot a three despite all that athleticism). He would fit right in on this squad. I'm just not convinced adding a guy that couldn't secure a starting spot on the 2009 squad would be as good of addition as Morrison or Stepp.

Gray:
I'd love to see Gray and GBJ, two of the better on-ball defenders we've had, out on the court at the same time. Gray would fit in on this team because he was always looking to involve teammates rather than take over a game himself (much like GBJ). This team has the guys to take over games, so it'd work. He was a great defender, would force teams to spread the defense out because of his shooting. His personality wouldn't be disruptive on any team ever, anywhere, so you wouldn't have the same type of concerns as you would with Daye.

However, he wasn't a very good rebounding guard and he turned the ball over quite a bit. We'd lose possessions due to his rebounding and turnovers.

Pendo:
We already have specialists on this team. Pendo was an incredibly efficient player that would fit in on any squad, but he wasn't really in the same ball-park as the guys above. He'd probably start on this team and be a good addition, but would anyone really chose him over AMMO or Stepp?

Knight:
Not a good enough shooter (other than his freshman season at the UW) to spread the defense. Not as good of rebounder as Hart. Very good defender, but I'm not sure he was better than Hart on defense either. I'd rather stick with Hart. That is being a little unfair to Knight because had he avoided injuries he might have been a different player for us.


I'd add Adam Morrison. Maybe Stepp.

ZagMan in Philly
02-23-2013, 06:48 AM
More shot blocking and rebounding will make this team unbeatable,
so, i think Turiaf would fill in that role very well.

DixieZag
02-23-2013, 07:43 AM
More shot blocking and rebounding will make this team unbeatable,
so, i think Turiaf would fill in that role very well.

The problem with chosing another big, in my mind is that there gets to be some redundancy underneath and minutes might come at the expense of Harris and KO.

Also, I don't understand how anyone can say that Daye would impact chemistry but Ammo wouldn't. I actually have been a little critical of Daye in the past but I think that I was really being unfair - it seems to me that Daye would adopt the "we" attitude that makes this team so special. Daye would be out at his natural "3" position, he was a good defender and had that silky ability to hit 3s in tough situations. Not saying he would necessarily be "THE" choice but tough to ignore.

If we are going with a "3" as the logical hole it is actually getting more and more difficult to replace Hart, ironically. One might get some additonal scoring from another but the team doesn't really lack for scoring.

One weird thought would be to take Heyvelt and let him wonder outside as was his inclination and stick with EH at 4 and KO at 5. I just don't know enough about BB to make a real obvious choice.

gamagin
02-23-2013, 08:00 AM
Talked to Jack Stockton yesterday. He said Vermillion was the real deal.

Played above the rim. Long arms. Nose for the ball. Unique talent, high I.Q. and dominant. Check his rebounding record. It will likely never be beaten. Like ever.

VinnyZag
02-23-2013, 08:01 AM
Gray. Second choice would be Mike Nilson. Need a lockdown defender who can hit open jumpers.

mgadfly
02-23-2013, 09:26 AM
Also, I don't understand how anyone can say that Daye would impact chemistry but Ammo wouldn't. I actually have been a little critical of Daye in the past but I think that I was really being unfair - it seems to me that Daye would adopt the "we" attitude that makes this team so special.

There is absolutely nothing to indicate Daye would adopt the "we" attitude. Daye played on an incredibly good offensive team in 2009 and did not adopt the "we" attitude, but pouted around until the ball touched his hands when he would jack up a shot.

There is everything to support Morrison would be a team player. He involved his teammates in high school. Then he went to college and played off the bench without the attitude Daye had as a freshman. As a sophomore he made everyone better around him dishing out to Batista, Turiaf, and Raivio.

Lets put it this way: Comparing Morrison's sophomore season to Daye's, Morrison dished out assists at 250% the rate that Daye did.

Morrison did not hurt team chemistry when surrounded by a very good offensive team.

Daye did hurt team chemistry when surrounded by a very good offensive team.

It is revisionist history to say that Morrison hurt team chemistry. It didn't happen then and it wouldn't happen now.

DixieZag
02-23-2013, 09:34 AM
There is absolutely nothing to indicate Daye would adopt the "we" attitude. Daye played on an incredibly good offensive team in 2009 and did not adopt the "we" attitude, but pouted around until the ball touched his hands when he would jack up a shot.

There is everything to support Morrison would be a team player. He involved his teammates in high school. Then he went to college and played off the bench without the attitude Daye had as a freshman. As a sophomore he made everyone better around him dishing out to Batista, Turiaf, and Raivio.

Lets put it this way: Comparing Morrison's sophomore season to Daye's, Morrison dished out assists at 250% the rate that Daye did.

Morrison did not hurt team chemistry when surrounded by a very good offensive team.

Daye did hurt team chemistry when surrounded by a very good offensive team.

It is revisionist history to say that Morrison hurt team chemistry. It didn't happen then and it wouldn't happen now.

Well, this is all speculation and we'll never know and it is fun, I just figured Ammo would be taking questionable shots over some of our already good scorers, I grant that Ammo would make any team better, he kinda was POY.:)

Zagsker
02-23-2013, 09:36 AM
Ugh.....I hate the "Ammo" nickname

I would go with Downs

Bocco
02-23-2013, 09:41 AM
I definitely would not go with someone who was a defensive liability no matter how well he could shoot.

I can't help but wonder what someone like Frank Burgess would bring to this year's team.

TheGonzagaFactor
02-23-2013, 09:41 AM
Gray or Downs.

Morrison would be too much.

mgadfly
02-23-2013, 09:42 AM
Well, this is all speculation and we'll never know and it is fun, I just figured Ammo would be taking questionable shots over some of our already good scorers, I grant that Ammo would make any team better, he kinda was POY.:)

True.

I think the biggest impact would be teams not having a body on Harris and KO because they double teamed (or triple teamed) Morrison. Those are two guys you can't leave unguarded. They'd have so many dunks it would be ridiculous.

sittingon50
02-23-2013, 09:50 AM
Couldn't disagree with you more, fly, r.e. the Daye/Morrison comparisons.

mgadfly
02-23-2013, 09:53 AM
Couldn't disagree with you more, fly, r.e. the Daye/Morrison comparisons.

By that do you mean Daye did involve his teammates and defer to the better offensive options on the 2008 and then 2009 squad. Or do you mean Morrison as a sophomore didn't have an assist rate on par with Kevin Pangos' and didn't pass the ball to his teammates?

I'm not saying Daye wasn't a better defender. I'm saying he came in as a freshman, and despite not being close to our best offensive option took about 30% of the shots when he was on the court while having an incredibly low assist rate.

It feels as though some are either remembering Morrison in the NBA or his politics, or personal feelings about him rather than what he actually did on the court. Morrison did a lot for Gonzaga.

siliconzag
02-23-2013, 09:57 AM
Richie, Matt, or Casey.
Take your pick, the kind of mind set and their individual skills would be most welcome on this team. I guess I would say Matt for the leadership, and that look in his eye. He could slay a dragon without a sword.

Sili

sittingon50
02-23-2013, 10:00 AM
So, framed that way, I guess I need to concede that Morrison was smart enough to defer to Stepp,Violette, Bankhead, Skinner, et. al. when he was a Frosh.

I so concede.

Daye came into a whole different dynamic than that, did he not?

mgadfly
02-23-2013, 10:02 AM
So, framed that way, I guess I need to concede that Morrison was smart enough to defer to Stepp,Violette, Bankhead, Skinner, et. al. when he was a Frosh.

I so concede.

Daye came into a whole different dynamic than that, did he not?

Sure a different dynamic. But Heytvelt, Bouldin, Downs, Gray, Pendo, and Pargo is a pretty good offensive team. One deferred, the other didn't.

Bocco
02-23-2013, 10:05 AM
Think I would go with Steven Gray

He has the height to play at 3 - 6'5" , great defender, 11.5 pts per game career average, career 37% 3pt shooter and 76% from the line.

SteelZag
02-23-2013, 10:11 AM
I'd take Steven Gray as well.

His rebounding #'s would rank 3rd on this year's squad, assists would lead the team and his 2 to 1 A/TO ratio would be more than acceptable.

ZagsGoZags
02-23-2013, 10:17 AM
Adam would have fit in
NCAA champions with him on this team

NotoriousZ
02-23-2013, 10:21 AM
It would have to be a combo of guys that could give you something similar to what Hart and Barham bring to the table, and I'm not sure I'd want to mess with that right now. But for fun, I'd agree with these choices:

Knight
Downs
Gray

Hoopaholic
02-23-2013, 10:25 AM
Gray....defense, rebounding, shooting all rolled into one then add his Team first mindset would be perfect fit for this team

But I like this team exactly how it is

sittingon50
02-23-2013, 10:29 AM
The names I mentioned were all Srs, fly. Little easier to defer to a boatload of Srs, isn't it?

mgadfly
02-23-2013, 11:22 AM
The names I mentioned were all Srs, fly. Little easier to defer to a boatload of Srs, isn't it?

I don't know about that.

What actually happened though was Adam Morrison was able to involve a first year JC transfer, a Sr. and a So. point guard in the offense during his sophomore season. He could have not had the assist rate he had, he could have taken every shot he possibly could, but he did not do that.

Sophomore Adam Morrison did something Daye just did not do while at GU. He made his teammates better on the offensive end by involving them and having the ability to get them the ball when they were in positions to score.

In all honesty, I've always liked Daye because of his defense (which I typically put above offense). And if I could chose between freshman Daye and freshman Morrison for this team I'd probably pick freshman Daye, by an inch. But Sophomore Morrison vs Sophomore Daye is no contest. And Junior Morrison vs Sophomore Daye is no contest.

I wish we had Daye on the 2011 team. Or the 2010 team where a "me" attitude was needed because there was just too much deferring going on. This team needs someone that will actually try every now and then to pass to a teammate. They need someone who can put the ball on the floor and draw a double team away from the bigs. One player in GU's recent history fits that bill more than anyone else we've ever had.

Nothing against Daye, I'm comparing him to a national player of the year, All-American, and lottery pick. I'm also considering one of the two players made guys around him better (the other was a spot up shooter/post up player).

katman50
02-23-2013, 11:49 AM
Adam, without a doubt. Gray next. Adam was not only a prolific scorer, but I believe he made those around him much better. But more importantly, Adam really hated, and I mean hated to lose. Since he left, I don't believe we have had a true vocal leader, who rallies the troops together. That's why I like Pangos so much. He is all business, no horsing around. And he really hates to lose. Am sure all the players hate to lose, but it's very obvious with Adam and Pangos. My 2 cents worth.

MickMick
02-23-2013, 11:57 AM
I'm not going to bench Mike Hart or Kelly Olynyk or Elias Harris.

If anything, put Casey Calvary in Harris spot, but that is a lateral move.

Maybe put Bouldin in at SG, but he doesn't defend like GBJ and to win post season you need a defender.

Perhaps Dickau over Pangos, but Pangos runs the team and we don't really need the extra scoring.


I think I'll just keep this team just the way it is. All I know is that when GU plays the "tough" teams, we have to have Hart on the floor. There is a reason those other teams of the past decade have not been past the second weekend.


People will be singing a different tune after this team shocks us all and Hart will be right in the center of it.

zag69
02-23-2013, 12:31 PM
Micah for me. This team doesn't need a prima donna hurting the chemistry.

UberZagFan
02-23-2013, 07:10 PM
Do we get a healthy EK with good knees? If so, then EK with Micah a close second.

gamagin
02-23-2013, 09:45 PM
I definitely would not go with someone who was a defensive liability no matter how well he could shoot.

I can't help but wonder what someone like Frank Burgess would bring to this year's team.

He was money. A pure shooter. Every game, too. Plus maturity.

His signature shot involved holding the ball behind his head, as if prepping to pass. then, suddenly, he would shoot it instead, as his defender would be bracing to try and block pass.

He made a ton of points with that shot. Over and over. Perfecting it was one good reason he was the top scorer in the nation his last year. And why his jersey hangs in the rafters.

hondo
02-23-2013, 10:10 PM
"His signature shot involved holding the ball behind his head, as if prepping to pass. then, suddenly, he would shoot it instead, as his defender would be bracing to try and block pass."

On our grade school playgrounds every kid in Spokane tried to copy that shooting style. It was a 2 hand shot with the hands placed opposite each other and with some force from the arms most of the shot was made with the wrists. Not an easy shot to make but Frank had it totally mastered.
Those were the days.

GUnawinit
03-01-2013, 11:57 PM
everyone on this board for the response to this thread...

Reading each response carefully, it's unbelievable how much each of you know. Take the time and read back through each board members thoughts/reasoning..

Damn we're a basketball town like no other...

Geez, each and everyone of you bring food for thought and based on facts.

I love living in a community that supports this team and have such insightful fans...and well bring the facts.

I would of never known the reasoning behind "Whom that player would be" but dang, you've covered it all.

"We all need to believe in this years team", my god seeing GU being rank #1 come next week is going to be a dream come true. AND WE WILL

Once again, I'm so proud to be associated with fans such as all of you!

Think about it, we've been spoiled / blessed we such non-descrip(sp) talent it's hard to tell whom that player is... Coach Tommy L is a recruiting genious in my mind...

Are you as excited and neverous as I am? I couldn't sleep after the BYU game...just thinking ahead

What will you do if "OUR" Bulldogs win it all? Me, I'll flush all the heartbreaking memories..and be a fan floating on earth!

Thanks again, and enjoy the rest of the ride....

McZag
03-02-2013, 07:56 AM
Obviously Calvary. He was Hart with a real offensive presence. He would force opponents to play man on every possession. Unstoppable offensive 5.

And talk about D, Calvary was a beast on the boards. Yep hes the guy.

rijman
03-02-2013, 08:10 AM
Talked to Jack Stockton yesterday. He said Vermillion was the real deal.

Played above the rim. Long arms. Nose for the ball. Unique talent, high I.Q. and dominant. Check his rebounding record. It will likely never be beaten. Like ever.
Our buddy Tom, who played with Jerry for at least 2 seasons, says the same thing, he was the real deal. He also says Jerry could score.

kitzbuel
03-02-2013, 08:21 AM
The biggest problem I have with a response is figuring out who on the current squad would be replaced if we put another, impact player in?

If anything, I would look at Downs or Gray who could be swapped a little more situationally and make teams really pay for packing the middle like BYU did.

They would cause zones to be stretched so badly that Harris would shred.

Bocco
03-02-2013, 08:27 AM
The biggest problem I have with a response is figuring out who on the current squad would be replaced if we put another, impact player in?

If anything, I would look at Downs or Gray who could be swapped a little more situationally and make teams really pay for packing the middle like BYU did.

They would cause zones to be stretched so badly that Harris would shred.

Have to agree with you, especially since both Downs and Gray were also great defensive players. You could probably include Casey Calvary also.

gamagin
03-02-2013, 11:20 AM
everyone on this board for the response to this thread... Reading each response carefully, it's unbelievable how much each of you know. Take the time and read back through each board members thoughts/reasoning..

thanks for jogging some memories.